 We're back with the breakfast time for our first major conversation. President Mohammed Puhari, I'm sure you already might have heard by now, has penned his signature, taken the green pen and signed. He is assented to the Defense Research and Development Bureau Act 2022 passed by the National Assembly in line with section 58, subsection 4 of the 1999 concession of the Federal Republic of Nigeria as amended. Now the senior special assistant to the President of the National Assembly matters, the Senate Senator Babajile Omoa Omoa Ruhri, announced this in a statement at Abuja, the Defense Research and Development Bureau Act of 2022 establishes what is known as the Defense Research and Development Bureau to conduct and coordinate robust research and involvement in the armed forces in Nigeria. I mean, among other things, what does this mean for the security sector and for security, basically in the defense of Nigeria's territorial integrity, which is what the army does? Yehuzad Getso is a security expert. It's been a while since we had him on the program and it's great to have Yehuzad Getso back. Yehuzad Getso, good morning to you. Yehuzad Getso, good morning. Right, right. So the Defense Research Development Bureau, what exactly is this institution meant to achieve? It's something a bit strange as far as Nigeria's defense organizations are concerned. Well, the primary objective, there are primary secondary and the cardinal objective of which the institution is expected to have attend and achieve. If at all, it is not like the other policies that President Buhari have been signing, because there are a lot of policies that he has been ascending. But as far as some concern, it's just a kind of a tea break or a kind of a breakthrough to an adherence for just know for them just to know that the bill has been signed. But I normally love especially in subject to bills related to security matters. So the primary objective of the bill is to kind of support investigative and formal proceedings of research related to defense related matters. And the cardinal objective is to ensure that information collected, have been utilized and database of the criminal activities and intelligence gathering as well as operational activities kind of presented as it is and documented. And even somebody from institutions of learning, it's a kind of to institutionalize the process of defense activities through research and so on and so forth. And the core objective as expected is to have the kind of supportive research. Because when you look at most of the things that we do, it's more or less more operational and more administrative. But we don't really have much to do. Looking at the activities of the Boko Haram, the IPO, the ISWF, the Ansaru, the all the other agitations or all the other criminal activities or actions against non-state access that have been there is have not been kind of reputable documentation and research is to kind of undergo a kind of root cause analysis, root cause studies, investigative information that will go into Typhoon to have a kind of evidence-based facts that you can keep. So these are part of the core objective that is main objectives that are expected for the bill to happen. Well, let's even get into what the public opinion is and what are the expectation of the people? Some people think that investing or having this bill would not solve the insecurity issues, especially in the nodding part of Nigeria, in order to thinking that it would have been very pertinent for us to pay attention to the issue of job creation and ensuring that we have people getting jobs and having a good life. What are your thoughts, Yahozo? I think probably the people who are saying that they might not have a good understanding of the implication or the kind of what's really the bill, they need to go in through the bill and they need to study what the bill is talking about. Yes, of course, part of what I said concerns to governance, solutions to provision of social services, solutions to unemployment, solutions to kind of job creations, solutions to improvement in economic activity, and solutions to also improvement even in the health sector and almost all the sector that are attributing into the economy. It is open and clear. If you have issues related to kind of job unemployment, you have issues in governance, these are part of the issues that intelligence gathering is supposed to go into it and they are part of the contributors and contributors to what we are into today. Definitely, if this institution, this bill is implemented or is utilized in accordance with the core objective demanded, I had a privilege to look at the draft. I have not seen the final copy of the bill, so probably there may be one, two, three amendments that have been made, but I know that I had a privilege to have read the draft of the of the bill. So do you think that this would actually, this bill will help in solving the insecurity issues that were faced? Absolutely, if it is utilized and implemented accordingly. We have many bills. We have, you know, the one thing about Nigeria is we have so many passion about initiating and coming up with kind of a paperwork, but when it goes to implementing or practicing or detailing or utilizing both items as itemized in the documents, probably you find many things difficult. All right, when we talk about research and development, I mean, of course we're thinking about scientific, you know, approaches to solving problems like you've just talked about, but we added some dangers that come with scientific, you know, research and development in military sector, defense sector, that we need to guard against. We can look at some of the programs in other parts of the world. We try to experiment in some things and in some areas and the effects of how to be hidden, you know. So what are the things that we should guard against as far as having such a bureau of research into military activities or ideas are concerned? Well, I think we're going to kind of understand a difference even in the scientific research. There are empirical and non-empirical researches and there are tactical and non-tactical researches. And almost when we talk about research, it's more or less conducting a study and conducting a study is never an element, it's never an effect, it's never a danger. It is a sign of commitment and seriousness towards making a findings either using a different stratified strategies and objective and the kind of majorable indicators or majorable strategies or strategies being used by researchers. You know, there are a different type of researches, scientific research and the social research. So I think both the two will be put together by the institution by what the bill is expected to kind of undergo or to undertake. So we need to, yes of course, it is very, very essential and very, very important. When we look at, for example, what is really making it very, very difficult for military to succeed in their operations is in Nigeria. Most especially with regard to a lot of ambush that had been laid against many of the young agile, vibrant and focused and patriotic officers in the northeastern part of the country by Boko Haram and the Isoff and by the northeastern part of the country by Ansaru Isoff, the Boko Haram and the bandits and the local bandits who cannot even, if you write their name, maybe EDO, that is MHM. They cannot even be able to write it for you, but they were able to kind of ambush the trained senior military officers and kill them. And likewise, what is happening in many part of the southeastern part of the country and the south south of the country is a kind of a message for you that inability, it is inability, of course, to have such a bill and such an institution that had been conducting. There are social interactionism that's supposed to have been kind of streamlined and kind of synergized between the social context and the behavioral context in order to have a perspective of a better security and operative relationship, especially between the institutions, the formal institutions, non-formal institutions and the ordinary person on the streets in respect to what the security is all about. And that is what will give an opportunity for any professional who have been in the barrack in a cage who don't even understand the geography of most of this social environment and crisis environment, as well as the difficult terrain and hard to reach communities and the behavioral perspective and social perspective. So I think if I really understand very well from the draft I have read, I don't really know what President Muhammadan Buhari finally assigned to, because I have not seen the final draft, but the final document, but as far as I'm concerned from the initial document from what I have seen, what I have read, as well as it is very, very essential and very, very useful. And it will really help in going along, it will really help going along in making efforts to stratify it, to come over the strategies and way forward to dealing with the security challenges in Nigeria, but try to understand and underline in bold and italic that I have made mentioned very clear that it's not the issue of ascending to the bill, but practitionerizing the bill, that's what matters. And that's the question and doubt I have for Buhari administration. And I really wonder it is at the end of his tenure that he is ascending to this bill. It is at the end of his tenure that this bill is coming up. This was the fact that part of what he deceived Nigerians, part of what he deceived Nigerians, especially the common man, especially the structures of political and non-political actors who have come up together to have contributed with their social, behavioral, economic, and financial whatever, to have mobilized mass funding, massive funding, massive support for Buhari to become the president of the federal republic of Nigeria is that he is going to deal with the security. He is going to do something to bring an end of the security challenges, especially that of Boko Haram, as well as the internal intercomplex that occurred as a result of religious and political, as well as the geographical victory. But fortunately and unfortunately, if Buhari is signing and ascending to such a bill at this time now, so I wonder what he is really plotting against the incoming government. That is my question. That is one of my questions. And the second question is, all the institutions that we have, what have Buhari made to strengthen their capacity in order to have kind of sensitized Nigerians that this bill is very, very important and is coming at the right time when it is needed? As far as some concern, during the years of the 2016, 2017, and 2018, up to 2019, when we have the more security challenges, and even at the time one Buhari administration came into power, during the first eight months, this something like this bill could have been kind of either highlighted through the institutions, there are a lot of other institutions who have been conducting researches to do with their defense. But what have the Buhari administration, has the Buhari administration ever utilized that, what to go for, just not what to go for I want to still see. We have a lot of things that government tries to have utilized. Well, I like also still, I mean, you have raised some valid points as to implementation, which we struggle with as, you know, a nation. I mean, implementation is very apt every other time you conceive a policy. And then you also look at, you know, the fact that we always say, I mean, that's in the books, government is a continuum. Every other time you have policies, and we're going to have a new administration in no time in 2023, would there be a continuation of some of the policies that this government have been, you know, upon? I mean, that's on the one side, despite, you know, political affiliation, conversation for another day. Let's also look at some of the issues with the military. Over time, we have had conversation as to those who compromise the system because you have a mall in the military or in all of the security apparatus in the country, whether they be it, you know, the military or the police and what have you, you have some elements who are there to, you know, truncate the process. Do you think that this also caters for solving that problem? Does he address that problem of those who are in the system who are constantly compromising, who are more like informants and what have you compromising the system? Do you think that this will caters to or solve that problem? Well, it may have some highlights of that, but it's really not going to be a kind of a result driver. The bill cannot be a result driver to that. It is the institution, it is when you have a serious government. It is when you have a government that matters. It is when you have a government that have a business on its desk. The problem with the Wuhara administration, in respect to what you have made mention, is because the Wuhara administration doesn't have any file on its desk in order to look at the issue within the military, because like I keep mentioning, there are three things. One, there is internal sabotage, which the Wuhara administration refers to accepts and deal with. And two, there is negligence, which also the government, the Wuhara administration, and what I said, the negligence is within the military cycle and within the 27 security operatives that we have. Because in Nigeria, we have 27 security operatives. And as far as some concern, there is internal sabotage and there is negligence, and there is absolute lack of political will. Because political will is not all about borrowing money in trillions by Wuhara administration from foreign lands in order to say that, yes, I will ensure, I will ensure. Ensure what? When you keep saying that you will ensure and you don't even have a cardinal objective of what to do in order to deal with those who are found wanting within the system. Everybody, even a layman, an ordinary person knows that research have been made and a lot of evidence-based facts have been presented. And a lot of also petitions, as well as the write-offs have been raised and a lot of papers have been presented related to what is in what happening within the military cycle, within the security operative cycle, where they have compromised in many circumstances and in many situations that led us to where we are to be. Because as far as some concern, Nigeria is divided into three. There is a governed area, there is an governed area, and there is even a free space. That's what you have in Nigeria. And how can you have this? And why should we, why should we have when you have a government? If you really have a government, government backed by the constitution, especially the constitution which I know and which is known to Nigerians of the Federal Republic of Nigeria and the role expected to play by the military and other security agencies. And you have been a kind of a Western money because as far as I'm concerned, what administration have wasted a huge amount of trade? Right. We're having some sort of a challenge. But yeah, because I get so we have to go. Let's see what becomes of this, this bureau. The bill is quite not too bulky. I've also looked at the draft. It's not too bulky. It's just pretty much straight to the point. You know, doesn't say much about the technical, you know, details of what you're meant to do. Just talks about, you know, who has a body part of the part to do, to buy land, to sell land, to raise money, accept gifts. But I was looking for maybe a part of what the bill would say about maybe the technical details of their research, you know, give some sort of idea. But let's see what happens about, you know, with this bureau going forward. We hope to have you back soon to talk about the security situation in the country, even with the whole Naira thing, because we have some news filtering in that there's some sort of unrest at mile 12 area of Lagos state right now, some sort of civil disobedience going on. So yeah, I was okay. So thank you very much for your time. Yes, go on, please. And go on here and attempt to attack Kaduna Aguja trend again. So this is where we are in the country. So probably have time to look at these important things and maybe next week. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you very much. It's been a good pleasure. Thank you and goodbye. Okay, we have more discussions ahead of course, sports. We'll look at how the national teams of foreign India various competitions of flying eagles are in Casablanca, Morocco, and of course the revelation cup that's been owned by the super Falcons losing to Mexico over right back.