 We'll call the fourth regular meeting of the common council to order that asks for a motion to approve the minutes Move that the minutes be approved as read and enter the so on the record Tech, okay no There's a motion to approve second under discussion Not all in favor state I On the minutes. I'm sorry. Do you want to go back? I Okay We'll take that back. We're gonna take a roll call in the minutes Excuse thank you Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Segali Stefan Sushia Van Akron and van der wheel 15 present Pledge of allegiance. We have Boy Scout troop 872 you please join us You can step down a little bit just a little bit Attention I pledge allegiance to the flag and the United States of America And to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all two Thank you confirmation of mayor's appointments termic lean I Unexpired term of Robert Ecker whose term expires for 30 oh six signed by the mayor I'd ask for motion to confirm thank you and a move to approve the Committee appointments as we appointment Motion to second all those in favor state I oppose motion carries city attorneys presentation Regarding open meetings and in quorums Turning McLean. I'm sorry Thank you, your honor. I was asked to give a brief presentation regarding a little bit about the open meeting law and issue with respect to Quarms negative quorums walking quorums About I'll spend as little or as long as the council would like or can Constand Perhaps we can do this in short segments Throughout the council you're do a little bit on different subjects that may be of interest to various members of the council I Guess with respect to the open meeting law just briefly there's some key elements the the declaration of policy under the statute I think Gives the flavor for what the open meeting law is all about Read that it's in recognition of the fact that a representative government of the American type is dependent upon an informed electorate It's declared to be the policy of the state that the public is entitled to the fullest and most complete information regarding the affairs of government as Is compatible with the conduct of government business To implement and ensure the public policy here and expressed all meetings of all state and local governmental bodies Shall be publicly held in places reasonably accessible to members of the public and shall be open to all citizens at all times Unless otherwise expressly provided by law So that's the declaration of policy under the open record law Open meeting law and public record law. It's really The It's to be liberally construed in favor of open meetings and access to by the public to governmental affairs some key definitions one is What's a governmental body obviously the council its committees the boards commissions authorities Are all governmental bodies subject to the open record or open meeting law Citizens advisory bodies that are established by the council are also subject to the open meeting law So that's Governmental body basically so it includes subunits of the governmental body all your committees are also bound by the open meeting law and then what is a meeting and Why this is important is that it really Shapes what you have to do and what you don't have to do But go back as far as governmental body for instance the department had meeting Had one this morning is not Subject to the open meeting law because it's not a meeting of a governmental body or subunit. It's staff members basically it's So that's first criteria then a meeting is the convening of members of the governmental body for the purpose of exercising the Responsibilities authority powers or duties delegated to or vested in the body and What triggers the application of the open meeting law it applies whenever a gathering of members of a governmental body satisfies two requirements There's a purpose to engage in governmental business and to the number of members present is sufficient to determine the governmental bodies course of action Now why that is important is generally You've got a purpose test and the statute specifically excludes Chance gatherings or social gatherings that aren't Held for the purpose of governmental business But there's a purpose test and that includes discussion decisions or information gathering is all part of Purpose of engaging in governmental business Then as far as the numbers go the numbers present sufficient to determine the governmental bodies course of action You have to determine for each particular item that you may be discussing whether or not it's your typical majority vote in Which if you have a quorum which is you know enough to pass the action that would be a Nine basically You have a meeting of nine alderman generally the presumption is that that's an open meeting and Unless you can rebut that presumption you're obligated to provide notice of that meeting and And you can't discuss things in closed session unless you have a Proper basis for doing so and it's noted on the agenda But there are decisions of the governmental body that requires a two-thirds vote and that's typically most often in Situations where you have a budget Alteration is an issue where you're transferring money from one account to another That would require a two-thirds vote and then one third could block that action if You convene if you've got so two-thirds is 11 alderman because you always round up to the next whole number So that leaves Five That could vote the other way and still pass so you'd need six members of the governmental body meeting if it Involved an issue that required a two-thirds vote that would constitute That would require a notice of a meeting so you couldn't convene With six alderman if that was subject matter that was required a two-thirds vote Committees generally Most committee issues are not two-thirds vote issues. They're all majorities But let's say you have a five member standing committee if you've got Three members that's a quorum So if you've got any time you've got three alderman from the same committee getting together that raises a red flag is this An open meeting for purposes of the open meeting along Generally if they're from different committees, you could have three members Gather together and discuss governmental business without it being a meeting But you've got to be careful you've got even some smaller Committees building use committee. You got three people risk management. You've got three people so two people could constitute a quorum for purposes of that discussion and Theoretically that's going to trigger at the open meeting law. So You got to be thinking in those terms as to whether if you happen to be discussing something with another alderman Is this triggering? the open meeting law And it's particularly tricky again with the negative quorum situations and that's what I was talking about where there's enough members Discussing the issue that could block the outcome of the Of the action As far as There's one procedural difference as far as the burden of proof as I said if you have half of the body or more Meeting it's presumed to be subject to the open meeting law and required notice That presumption can be overcome and rebutted but The burden would be on the city to establish that it wasn't subject to the open meeting law Whereas on a negative quorum situation where it's As I indicated say six alderman together that could block a vote and Someone were to challenge that Meeting as as being an illegal meeting it would be incumbent upon that individual that's challenging it to Would have the burden of proof to show it was an illegal meeting Special situations that trigger The open meeting law One is it's called a walking quorum, and that's where in order to avoid An open meeting law violation where you don't have instead of having eight or nine alderman together in a room two or three meet to discuss an issue and Then two or three others meet to discuss that same issue two or three others meet to discuss that same issue then then One person from each of those three groups gets together and kind of discusses. Well, what was the You know, what's everybody thinking basically? That sort of thing could trigger a violation of the open meeting law because You've you're basically taking the same subject matter that you're discussing instead of actively joining together and discussing it you're doing it in a way that Is still sufficient to reach a quorum without noticing it as a meeting And Particularly if you're doing that for the purpose of trying to avoid the open meeting law There are issues with Email that get very difficult and what's unfortunate is there really aren't any cases throughout the state on It and there's not much guidance from the Attorney General on this I would commend all of you to this publication, maybe you've got it. Maybe you don't This is true for the public as well Wisconsin open meeting law a compliance guide. It was last put out in 2003 by the Attorney General's office. It's on the internet. It's at www.doj.state.wi.us Then you follow the Links there for open meetings and public records. There's one of these compliance guides for open meeting law And there's also one on the public records law Basically everything I'm talking about this evening is contained in here plus There's additional appendices and some things also that we're not going to talk about because of a lack of time But open meetings When you get to emailing The the only advice that's contained in this Guide and the only thing that the Attorney General has put out is that recommended against using email for the purposes of Group discussions of alderman on Issues that are coming before you it recognizes that The Attorney General recognizes that emails got a lot more popular and And it's pretty easy, but you can get yourself in the same situation Basically, you're having the same conversation as though you were in a room In a lot of cases where it's kind of a one-on-one thing or you send an email to 15 of your colleagues you get You know the other 15 or send an email to the other 15 and everybody is Talking about the same subject at pretty much the same time and and sort of determining the outcome of An issue Without discussing it, you know in a public forum and open session You know the Attorney General's approach is just recommend not use email that That for those sorts of purposes, it's easy to say It's pretty hard to do because email is so convenient But you've got to be careful on that as I say there aren't any cases out there and there's not really much guidance Where they're There's still not cases on it either in the public records context But you're going to see cases on that sooner than you will on open meeting law issues I know there's going to be cases coming down Soon dealing with whether or not, you know the the requirement to retain your emails as public records and That's a whole another subject that It's kind of you know require another bit of discussion The factors in one Attorney General's opinion that Jim Doyle had issued back in 2000 he said, you know, there wasn't any Current Wisconsin cases interpreting that use but some factors to consider the number of participants involved in the communication The number of communications regarding the subject a Time frame within which the electronic communications occurred and the extent of the conversation like interactions reflected in the communications So those would be factors the court would look at and the closer in time the more numerous the more number of people Discussing that the more likely Court could find that that constituted a meeting for purposes of the open meeting law There is There's a 2001 Court of Appeals decision out in Washington state that dealt slightly with this issue and That case held that emails exchanges could constitute a meeting triggering the open meeting law If a quorum participated and it was used to conduct the official business of the governmental body, but that mere Use or passive receipt of email wouldn't in and of itself constitute a meeting These are more rather than you know, hard hard and fast answers. They're more food for thought for you You know when you're using email when you're on the phone with your colleagues when you're Meeting together sort of on an informal basis if you will I think that's really about all I Was prepared to cover tonight if you want to go into more depth or talk about anything else if you got any questions I'd be happy to try to entertain them all of us sushi Thank You attorney McLean for that that really comprehensive overview I noticed that the April issue of the municipality journal also dove into the subject a little bit And I have a question in regards to some of the emails and phone calls. I've been receiving from private citizens You know oftentimes they want to know where you stand on an issue or how you're going to vote on an issue And if these private citizens are calling all 16 of them Would that be constituting a walking quorum? Should we avoid answering those types of questions about where we stand or can a private citizen not? create a walking forum I Guess I would advise that if if you're responding to a constituents You know requests as to where you stand I don't think that that would trigger an open meeting law situation unless You're pretty sure that's being done or or you're sort of actively engaging in it Strictly to avoid the open meeting law. I don't think you can prevent constituent from asking all the alderman various questions and But but if you're copying in all the other alderman in your response And then they're they're asking the same question all the other alderman and all the other alderman are Copying you in on the response so everybody knows what everybody's position is that that could trigger an open meeting issue I think but just responding to a constituent. I would say No, you know the presumption there would be that that would not Trigger the open meeting on I Should say I guess the follow-up is You know all right, so you've got an open meeting. What are the requirements as far as notice? You've got to notice the meeting The the law says you got to notice it within 24 hours prior at least 24 hours prior to the meeting There are exceptions to that in case of I think the language is for good cause that you can justify Some shorter notice But not anything shorter than two hours notice You have to have pretty good cause though to shorten it down even to two hours, but In no event really Could you really shorten the notice down any any less than that? The the notice has to be made available to the public and generally that's done through posting and also You know putting out on the bulletin board. I think we also put all the notices on the City website We required to provide it to the news media if the news media have made a Request to receive all the notices. I I think WHBL on the Spargel press. I believe have done that I think we provide it to them routinely. I don't know about any other radio stations, so, you know, Sue Possibly we have one of the radio stations, but the press and but basically if The news media has requested notices. You've got to provide the notices to the news media They don't have to publish them like in the Spargel press that They're not required to publish all the notices of all the meetings Unless we want to pay separate To to buy an ad but we're not obligated to do that either We just have to provide the notice to the news media and they can do with it as they wish One other situation that's come up I got a series of emails from this municipal attorneys email group Came up recently dealing with meetings and that was multiple meetings where you've got say a committee meeting Say a finance committee and you know at the finance committee that It's a real hot topic and you're gonna get nine alderman there You're gonna have a quorum of the council And you know it ahead of time or you're pretty darn sure that you will in that case You need to notice up not only the finance committee meeting, but And I have to notice up a council meeting for the purposes of information gathering It's called it's named after the case that discussed at the bad key notice It comes up sometimes where You've got a sub-unit like a committee and you've got a whole bunch of alderman coming to that meeting it also applies where you've got to say a county meeting county board meeting or some county committee meeting and You have You know you're gonna have some issue with the county say and An Quorum of the council is gonna be meeting just to sit in on the county board meeting not to take any action or do anything But just to hear what the discussion is. You know that in advance One of these bad key notices needs to go out and basically all that's doing is just Advising the public that you're meeting not to take any action or anything like that but just for the purposes of information gathering because Under the case law just for purposes of information gathering is enough to constitute the You know purpose test for a meeting Yeah, the open meetings law I guess the question is almost begging to be asked is that preclude alderman from Socializing either by chance or plan So long as no businesses can discuss chance or social gatherings are not Deemed to be meetings, but you can't Say, you know having a chance or a social gathering and then start talking shop You've got a avoid discussed discussing issues that are You know issues that could be decided by the council Alderman Stefan. Thank you your honor. I don't want to get too carried away with this But I know one issue that kind of affected the last council Maybe you want to go into is the ability of Perhaps me if I would say to the public works chairman I'd like to be at your next meeting I have an issue to discuss and if it's not relevant to anything they're discussing You know, I have to be on the agenda and it has to say what I'm going to speak about You know in the past they said department heads or alderman were like just it would say you know Comments and it wouldn't say who it was from or what they were discussing about and I believe in that same document from attorney general Louch Lager She kind of clarified that a lot of cities were kind of getting close to the line on that that if a public official or Department head was going to comment that something that wasn't on the agenda It should be on the agenda and what they were going to discuss, right? That gets to the issue of like having on your agenda just some general comments or Other matters, you know just blank period and bring in and all kinds of other stuff Because You get some people on your committee that like the gossip or whatever and you know you start bringing up all sorts of issues really You know if you know in advance that you're going to be discussing an item. It's preferable on your meeting agendas to put some Item with respect to that topic The the counter to that is there's there's a case not too long ago dealing with It was basically an equivalent to a law and licensing committee that Well, it may have even been a council meeting, but there was something on the agenda that just said licenses and Some individuals liquor license was discussed at the meeting and they They brought an open meeting law challenge to that The court there. I think it was Court of Appeals said That just putting licenses on there was sufficient for purposes of the open meeting law. So You know, it's it's hard to say how General you can really be I think that was stretching it on the courts part. I Think the Attorney General has taken a harder line on those sorts of things and recommending that To the extent you can be specific on your agendas that you do so. Okay, any other questions? Not moving along public. Thank you attorney McLean Public forum, so First on the list is Carl table Carl. Can you give me your home address, please? Bradley sue 24 or to North 25th And you will have five minutes In in courtesy to that comment about five minutes I would like to ask my members of the district Alderman Meyer and Stefan that if when I'm at five minutes, I would appreciate the courtesy if I could continue as a former member and I do not come very often your honor mere Perez Clerk Richards members of the council To those of you who were elected to your new office as recently or re-elected a special congratulations Last week or the last council meeting The entire city was watching and I would like to personally Compliment the leaven of you who stood firm for green space and to save Sheridan Park I remember when I was a member of the council The issue came up from the planning department regarding 2010 plans and it would have been very easily to put a Tailor road right through Maywood and Evergreen Park and the council together we worked and we said yes You can have a tailor drive extension But put it to the west side of the park not through and so I want to commend you people in your deliberations last week and Also a special compliment to Dennis Bowman. I could see Dennis your agony in your very difficult decision Your viewing public appreciate it your sincerity and also I want to compliment your fine work with our sister city And wish you God's blessing in your trip to Japan Tonight several of you will receive an envelope that either Vicki or Bill will pass out Elaborating the issues that I bring this evening to your respective committees Mayor Perez you have done an Ex-exemplary job as president of the Shiboyan school board and Dr. Longo and Joshi and other superintendents have promoted team building and I had the chance to participate in those team building programs and just as you read in the newspapers were in Washington Once in a while the Democrats and the Republicans leave town and they go to a retreat I think the citizens of Shiboyan wouldn't mind if Mayor Perez and the department heads and you members of the council went on a retreat and Particularly like a ropes course out at Waikota to build Unity on behalf of our wonderful city We have a wonderful city to live in to work in to shop in and to go to school Mrs. Richards and Mrs. Hart I would appreciate seeing there is there isn't any the city newsletter anymore of that On channel 8 you're would list the members of the council with their phone numbers together with the department heads and their phone numbers and then at times Sue and Mayor Perez Occasionally during the deliberations would you explain for the viewing public? the terminology The public loves watching you, but they would like to know what does it mean to referral? Refer or file or why is something laid over may make it a more classroom for the public who is paying the bill and once It's proud of all of you people, but they want to know what's taking place Now to my alderman Meyer and Stefan I'm going to ask you to bring in a change to this council and First of all instead of having only five people come to public forum I'd like you to expand that at least to 12 and Eliminate the five minutes I Watch council at home times up No, if people have things to say the tax paying public comes here to you their elected officials Give them that chance and when you vote on this issue don't hide it in the consent agenda I'd like a roll call saying you're for this that the public can be the numbers can be expanded and also the time limit being dismissed when In the past I'll use alderman van Akron example Let's say he received a letter from a constituent He had the privilege to stand up and say your honor I have this letter letter from mr. Joe Smith, and he would like a stop sign on fourth and here in or whatever That was taken away, and I would like you members of the council to restore that That the public sees that if I have an issue that vicki Meyer or Bill Stefan say current table brings this issue And and then refer it to the committee Please please do that. Please change it, and you'll bring your government closer to the people Pardon me the five minutes are okay. May I continue please all in my Could I make a motion that dr. Table be allowed to continue? There's a motion is your second Motion second All those in favor state I Any opposed? We'll roll we'll take you want to take a roll call and I vote would allow Dr. Table to continue Bowman D-Burg E-Burg Serda Davis Graph, I'm sorry graph. It's not here. Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemay or Racky Segali Stefan Susha Van Akron Van Van Der Wiel 13 eyes to us motion carries, please continue Thank you members of the council for your courtesy and I would like you to do that for all your other citizens that come here Mr. Manning for your committee. I'm going to ask that you would bring in legislation That when there is a vacancy that there can be an election Example there was a vacancy when Alderman Perez was elected mayor There was a vacancy here and on the school board and I think it is good if the public Would elect the people not the council or the school board and some people are going to say well, that's expensive Folks, that's what America is is elections Senator Lippin and Assemblyman Van Akron are aware of the Interest that I have in this issue and I'd appreciate it as a council if you'd ask them to put that on the fast track That if there are further vacancies either through a death or resignation There can be an election and the people can go house to house as many of you did to seek their support To Alderman Bowman, I'm going to bring back an issue that I was not able to get through But I was hidden in the consent agenda and I should have asked for a roll call and I didn't and that is For future consideration, I would like that We would have ordinances that would For future people Have the mayor's office be elected to two four-year terms and members of the council to Five two-year terms and again that wouldn't affect you, but future council members Dahlman Berg An issue is throughout our city is the department Terms of their contracts the mayor was elected for four years You were elected for two But I'm sure that there's some new people in the council that are not aware that The city gives five year appointments to department heads and I think that's time to change that ordinance to make it to a two-year term and Also, possibly it could be coincided with the mayor's election that it be at the Grace of the mayor whether the people continue in their respective positions or not Alderman Susha In public protection and safety. I support a new police station. I have all along the way But the new building should be downtown When I'm in the area of this wonderful downtown, I see the officers constantly going between City Hall and the courthouse I don't want them driving from 23rd Street or other places The place department belongs downtown take that parking lot that some would be willing to give away and put a beautiful building there Or attach it to the courthouse. We talk about joint services. Let's bring it together Alderman Graf isn't here this evening, but for his committee and finance I'm asking as a citizen that we repeal the stormwater tax some call the fee and But but eliminated through a four-year process through a four-year process and to Alderman a month mirror If in your committee the whole Sometime ago I asked for an inventory of how many vehicles our city owns and From the city clerk's office. My reply was it was filed Now I ask a simple question friends. How many cars does our city own? Where did I get the idea from governor Doyle said, you know, how many cars do we have and can we eliminate some? Mayor Barrett in Milwaukee is saying how many do we have and I can't say tonight Yes, you maybe could eliminate some maybe each department can looks Looks can look very closely at the issue But I have a concern and that is I would like and I don't know for sure But I would like to check down if any of those vehicles leave our city at night because I don't think they should I'd like to compliment the city attorney for his Deliberations on open meetings. I know in the past when Walter Alderman Wongerman and I served We tried to be the watchdog Don't have an open. I mean a closed meeting unless Absolutely legally that you have to have and last but not least It's going to be budget time in the near future. And so mayor Perez and members of the council If you'd like me to come back, I'm glad to come back with ideas What did I gain these ideas? 10 years of teaching 25 years as a principal six years working on in this fine city council and I share ideas where we can merge some of the apartments and Make the shabuigan that place that we all want to say mention our name in shabuigan Thank you, and I also want to think especially the people who gave me the time to Continue beyond the five minutes Thank you Next on the list is Anthony Bonet Anthony, can you give me your home address, please? Ah, yes, Anthony Bonet at 2906 North 6th Street And you will have five minutes. Thank you. Thank you common counsel for having me here. Thank you for the public for listening I'm here to speak on your on your documents tonight a 3-37 which is general ordinance number 2-05-06 and For the public at home This is an ordinance that would repeal the municipal code for the establish the efficient regional government opportunities Commission This is something I think is critical for all of us because we are all tax payers To inform the alderman for the ones that were here before and for the new alderman I would I will quickly read through the original ordinance, which this would repeal actually resolution which this would repeal This is resolution authorizing the appointment of commission to examine promote an expansion of intergovernment cooperation for the purpose of stabilizing local taxes Rates while promoting a higher standard of living in economic development now for therefore be it resolved the efficient regional government Opportunities or ergo commission is is hereby established whose responsibility it will be through the further development of intergovernmental relations to assist in the cooperation of plans policies and programs to address and resolve issues of mutual interest the Commission will report progress to the common counsel monthly be it through resolve the efficient regional government opportunities Commission shall consist of eight city shabuigan and Shabuigan County residents appointed by the mayor the Commission will be composed of local business labor Government representatives from the community along with the non-voting representative from the mayor's office. I Guess the critical point here is this was a commission that we in the city and through our representation Established it was endorsed by the school district. It was endorsed by the county It was endorsed by labor is endorsed by the business community Many people in the business community saw this is an innovative model They saw it as something that had it brought promise not only to our community, but being a beacon to other communities. I See as something that was also endorsed actually by our mayor pres on February 23rd You know having insight and looking into we need to set models For where we're going to go and how we're going to save tax dollars and work together between the Shabuigan County the school district the city and the school and the county needs to be addressed and I don't think we should be looking in a fashion that won't expand on these areas In the past we've had a shared service commission with it with the county only with the county not expanding into any other Areas including the school district or any of the townships around us Nor have we ever had any model which would ever expand or be able to attribute how much we saved any shared service we ever had This model here would do that. I implore you to To consider tonight your vote when looking at this and vote not to repeal this commission Here's an opportunity to be true leaders in the opportunity in the area of shared services All our partners including our mayor have seen this as a model that they wouldn't endorse through their votes or through Appointing officials to this commission Please consider this when you look at this. I very much appreciate your time and God bless Shabuigan Thank you next on the list is Scott Lewandusky Scott, would you please give me your home address? Okay, 20 to 1 Erie Avenue? And you will have five minutes. Okay, I Want to thank the members of Common Council that voted to save shared in Park last week I'm sure that each one of you on the Common Council and also Mayor Perez have heard your share of complaints from the people of Shabuigan And I'm sure that when you ask what should be done many times you get the answer of I don't know or that's your job I'm here tonight to offer some ideas on what to do about the problems around shared in Park That made some people in the area support the idea of destroying the park But these problems don't only affect the people in the shared in Park area But every person in Shabuigan and we must all work together to reduce these problems I have come up with some ideas and they will take more than five minutes So I hope you will listen and vote to allow me to speak longer My first idea is the one that we can probably start with the earliest This idea is had the police park in the area of shared in Park instead of empty parking lots Show more of a police presence. I know that the police are parked in the areas because they are working on their reports and By doing their reports in this way. They are still in the area They are assigned to patrol and there is not enough room in a small police station. They currently have Idea number two is to get more police officers to live in these areas Studies have shown Including in Milwaukee That the crime rate goes down when police officers live in a neighborhood to go along with this I feel the city should require all newly hired police officers to live in the city of Shabuigan We currently have around 24% of the Shabuigan police officers living outside the city of Shabuigan Idea number three is to look closely if we need to add more police officers. Can we afford this? The question should be can we afford not to do it a Few years ago. We had problems along the lakefront between North Point and Michigan Avenue One of the things the city did was install surveillance cameras and it helped to reduce the problem Let's install surveillance cameras in problem areas as idea number four or drug dealers They keep a lookout in order to know when the police are in the area Cameras make it much harder to avoid being watched Also, it's important to call the police when you see a legal activity in your neighborhood But why not grab your video camera and film from inside your home? You won't be seen and if you don't want the police to come to your house You could drop the videotape off at police headquarters and give the police more evidence to work with Towards getting rid of the problem Ideas number five is about some of these problems occurring in the park at night Let's put motion detector lights in the park when the lights go on the people doing your life illegal activity Aren't going to want to be seen Idea number six is let's go back to the special Friday garbage pickups These were eliminated because of the cost How much more is it costing the city now with illegal dumping around shared in park and other parts of the city? Which in some cases the city winds up cleaning up themselves and or paying for Some of these people in the shared in park area cannot afford to pay to have the garbage hauled away Or they don't have a car to take the garbage to the recycling sites Another idea along this line is something the city did 100 years ago Sheboygan would have community cleanup days on certain days for safe certain neighborhoods The city would have wagons in these parts of the city and people could clean their yard or house and take their garbage Immediately to the wagons for disposal Why not do this now with some recycling trucks in the neighborhood and some regular garbage trucks on certain days and Let the people get rid of their trash as they clean your yards right away Another Additional idea we could try at the same time as they have various community groups help clean up the neighborhoods on these days We could get boy scouts or school groups to help clean up yards and homes and carry this trash to the trucks right away This could help people who don't have the money time or physical ability such as the elder later do the job themselves We might even be able to get some of the people who have been sentenced to perform a certain number of Community service hours to work on these days This would help clean up the shared in park neighborhood and other areas of the city by yards I also mean porches of homes When I was running for alderman, and I was going around handing out brochures and ringing door bills I saw many many porches used as garbage dumps with everything possible on these porches including old kitchen sinks Toilets and car tires, but these garbage dumps cannot be seen from the street due to porch railings This garbage needs to be cleaned up and as soon as possible under in order to restore more pride in neighborhoods Excuse me Scott five minutes are up. I would like to ask for more time Alderman Susha. Thank you. I move to allow him to finish Motion in a second. Oh, it's in favor of state. I You pose Please continue. Okay Thank you When someone lives next door to one of these dumps after a while they will start to let their yard go They will start to think why should I clean up my yard when he doesn't have to and he gets away with it Idea number 10 is to have the city start to inspect areas of the city and be aware of these problems We cannot afford to let these areas get worse and worse and only do something when someone complains Idea number one is to increase fines and add more city ordinances if needed to make people get these problems taken care of We could also include having city crews clean these places up and Putting leans on the houses so that they cannot be sold until the city gets paid for the cost of the cleanup Idea number 12 we now require building inspections before a house can be sold Let's start building inspections for all homes that are being rented out And if they pass the owner of the building gets a form If the owner does not have one of these forms They cannot rent out the place until the needed repairs to pass the inspection are made and make fines high enough for someone who rents without this form We must also make renters responsible to keep yards and homes clean and notify the owner of the building when a problem occurs We cannot hold only landlords responsible for part of this We could also include for landlords information on renters of other properties that have trashed homes of other Landlords so that they can be protected from renting to these types of tenants. This will keep neighborhoods cleaner And other ideas to give homeowners an incentive to spend money on their homes, especially rental properties I know people in Sheboygan who do not want to spend any money on their homes because if they do their taxes go up Let's set a dollar amount say twenty five hundred dollars and if they prove that they spent this amount with paid bills To fix up their rental properties and make the place look better Their taxes on that property will not go up for at least five years This money could be spent on painting a house Replacing old doors and broken windows Replacing a broken fence hauling away garbage or anything that makes the house look better to the people living around it If you get one person to do it others will follow Even the school system could help one more idea is this Students from north and south currently build a new home each year and then sell it to get money How about having the schools buy one or two houses each school year and Repair them and then sell them most students in high school now will not be buying a brand-new house To start with but a fixer upper again as I was running for alderman I saw many homes that needed porches repaired such as rotted floors steps replaced Windows and doors repaired Etc. The students could learn how to make these repairs and also improve the looks of homes in the city We might even be able to get Sheboygan Christian and Sheboygan Lutheran high school students involved More crimes occur and more drug houses are found in areas where the appearance of many of the houses implies That not many people care These ideas will make homes look like the people do care and once it looks like people care more people will care And the crime rates will go down. I Asked the common counsel to consider all of these ideas instead of saying that won't work They won't work if we don't try I would also hope that anyone in the audience audience here Or are watching on TV would also give their ideas or improvements on my ideas I'm willing to speak to any of the committees or to committee at a whole or any city department heads about my ideas further The more people of Sheboygan that are willing to work on these problems The more ideas we will come up with to solve these problems and Sheboygan will be an even better place to live Thanks for your time Thank You Scott next on the list is dimple Adams Dimple can you give me your home address, please? 1424 Virginia Avenue, okay, I promise I won't ask for more either Thank You Mayor Perez and Miss Richards and Attorney McLean and all the council for allowing me to speak again tonight and Just to inform you I am a taxpayer. Mr. Eberg Just a joke from last time Just so he understands that we're all taxpayers that come up here. So you are hearing from us when we speak I'm here tonight because I didn't get to finish what I started last last time but I am a great supporter of the Sheboygan police department and I am I think that we have a great police department and I think Chief Kirk and The other officers are doing a fine job It has been extremely disturbing to me to see some of the articles that have been printed in the press about the police department and It has also been extremely disturbing to me since the last council meeting With the vote to rescind That I've seen the articles in the press That is pushing 23rd Street site. I really feel that We just need to remove 23rd Street period from one of your choices Because you need to save time you need to move on with this it needs to be built now and If you go back and study 23rd Street again, that's just going to waste more time We've been doing this for 20 years now and I understand it's been like 80 meetings and 49 site studies I don't know where all these sites were but you got it nearers down and you finally chose a site well that got taken away last week and I Realized that a lot of you are all happy about that, but I'm not and I haven't been very happy about it I was delighted when I thought it was going to be the site and I'm extremely disappointed because I'm not hearing the central city chief Kirk has repeatedly said We need to have a central location. Well, that automatically takes 23rd Street out of the picture There I don't know how many sites are left in the central city but if you take and Look at a city map words for and words five are the central part of the city from Lake Michigan to Taylor Drive and Sheridan Park was on the edge of Ward 4 and Across the street from Ward 5 so it was centrally located There is another Site that's close to there that was up for discussion quite a bit earlier last year And that's the Cargill plant. So I'd like for you to consider that site. It certainly is large enough It's 11.2 acres. I think it could do more than just have police station there but I think it's a site that you need to consider very seriously and I was very pleased when Ms. Enders last last week said that The next phase is going to include the central city to 14th Street And then shortly after that then it was going to include to them to the river. So all of that would encompass Putting the police station in that location. I Thank you for your time. I Do have great respect for this body and I hope that next year that all your hard work isn't Voted out and with the new council coming in. Thank you Thank you very much to the public for speaking tonight We will move on the next item is proclamation for National Police Week May 15th through the 21st And we also have another proclamation for emergency medical services week May 15th through the 21st. I'd asked Chief Kirk step forward Officer the mayor see if she boy can proclamation Whereas the Congress and president of the United States have designated May 15th as peace officers Memorial Day in the Week in which May 15th falls as National Police Week and Whereas the members of the Sheboygan Police Department play an essential role in safeguarding the rights and freedoms of the city of Sheboygan And whereas it is important that all citizens know and understand the duties responsibilities hazards and sacrifices of their law Of their law enforcement agency and that members of our police department recognize their duty to serve the people by safeguarding life and property by protecting them against violence and disorder and by protecting the innocent against deception and the weak against oppression and Whereas the men and women of the Sheboygan Police Department Unseasonally provide a vital public service Now therefore I want Perez mayor of the city of Sheboygan call upon all citizens of the city of Sheboygan and upon all patriotic Civic and educational organizations to observe the week of May 15th through the 21st as Police week with appropriate ceremonies and observances in which all our people may join in commemorating law enforcement officers past and present who by their faithful and loyal devotion to their responsibilities Have rendered a dedicated service to their communities and in so do and have established for themselves an imbiable and enduring Reputation for preserving the rights and security of our citizens a further call upon all citizens of the city of Sheboygan to observe Sunday May 15th as Peace officers Memorial Day in honor of those law enforcement officers who through their courageous deeds have made the ultimate sacrifice in service to their community Or who have become disabled in the performance of that duty and let us recognize and pay respect to the survivors Of our fallen heroes and witness thereof I here on to set my hand and cause the seal of the great city of Sheboygan to be a fix This dimple atoms you're truly correct. We have one of the police best police forces ever Isabel please step forward Or you represent This is a fun part of being a mayor. We get to recognize very deserving people Office of the mayor city of Sheboygan proclamation Whereas emergency medical services is a vital public service and whereas the members of emergency medical Services teams are ready to provide life-saving care to those in need 24 hours a day Seven days a week and where access to quality emergency care dramatically improves the survival and recovery rate of those who experience sudden illness or injury And whereas the emergency medical services system consists of emergency physicians Emergency nurses emergency medical technicians paramedics firefighters police officers educators Administrators and others and whereas a member of emergency medical service teams Whether career or volunteer engage in thousands of hours of specialized training and continue an education to enhance their life-saving skills And whereas it is appropriate to recognize the excellent service orange cross ambulance has provided has been providing our community And whereas it is appropriate to recognize the value of the accomplishment of emergency medical services providers by designating emergency medical services week and I now therefore I Want Perez mayor of city of Sheboygan in recognition of this van do here by proclaim the week of May 15th to the 21st As emergency medical services week and witness are out here to have set my hand and cause it The seal of the great city of Sheboygan to be affixed on the 6th day of May in the year of our Lord 2005 gentlemen lady congratulations And moving along we have a mayor's report. I'd like to just say a few words to the council The mayor's report you will notice that will be on your third Monday meeting of each month I won't be doing a mayor's report every time we meet But we will do it on the on the third Monday of the month and it's primarily for your benefit So that you are aware of some of the things that are happening administratively and It's for the benefit of the community that are watching us right now So that they also can have a sense of what's occurring administratively and in city government First I'd like to introduce miss Susan Hart who is my new mayor's administrative assistant And as you know, I sent out an email to all the all of them before it was announced in the paper We've complied with all the requirements of letting all the applicants know beforehand There were no surprises and the process involved three people and selected miss Hart and all three people concurred She was a best choice and therefore I hired miss Susan Hart and I'd like to introduce you to her Thank you so much. I'm so pleased to be here and As the mayor said this was kind of a fast and furious process So I appreciate the warm welcome and the helpfulness that everyone has exhibited Just like it says on the mayor's office mayor one Perez, please come in Please come into my office. You've got any ideas suggestions requests Let me know them and if you've got any Suggestions on how I can move along more quickly to learn because I'm afraid this learning curve is going to be a bit steep Please share that information with me also again. Thank you so much There are Four things I'd like to just point out very briefly But before I do that I do want to just comment that the reception and the cooperation from our city staff With me has been just incredible We have some very capable competent city employees and I'm just thrilled and honored to be working with them They have been a tremendous help. They they demonstrate great competence and great knowledge in what they do And and we are truly lucky to have this caliber of people in our in our city The issue has come up regularly with respect to Sharon Park Or some key issues that have been brought forward by again miss dimple Adams and miss Gina steinhard and I'm very grateful to these two individuals because In all this issue about whether to build a police station or not Some things kept surfacing something just kept surfacing and one of them one of them was The area needs to be addressed. We have an area that's blighted. We have an area that tends to collect garbage We have an area that needs a lot of serious attention So what I have done is we call a meeting with Mayline Mayline has agreed to be our partner to address the some of that garbage dumping so to speak and We have other key players that are going to be involved. I'm going to name some of the key players What we're going to do is miss Hart and I will put together a plan that we will involve all these key players and then Execute that plan and really dress up not only the Sheridan Park But dress up the entire area and I'll just briefly go down the key players and a little bit about what we we should expect from them The shit some of the key players are Sheridan Park neighborhood They would be involved in the educational program Involved it would involve residents and landlords and by educational program I mean there are certain things that we need to point out as far as making sure that that homes are kept clean Grasses kept cut that we don't say garbage piling up On the on the porch and so forth. We have Mayline company They're going to they've agreed to to do air clean up maintenance and possible fencing to prevent Young children and anybody else from walking down the slope into their property and throwing things and throwing garbage in the net direction Also, we have a Sheboygan police department who will help us put together a patrol plan a response plan and Possibly a security camera and some of these things have been talked about earlier And I'm glad they were because it just just confirms the need to do this We also are going to be involved in our city inspection department They will address the blight address issues of illegal dumping dumping of garbage and ordinance violations in general So they would they will city inspections will play a key a key role public works department They will address issues of additional lighting. I think we've already addressed the increased wattage for some of the existing street lights We they will work with adding additional Park signs as necessary and and put together a maintenance plan not necessarily just for Sheridan Park But for all our parks, I think there's a plan there. We just need to make sure that that plan is carried through Friends of Sheboygan Park, they've agreed to do volunteer work Participate in the educational program Fundraising and the fix up of the Civil War Memorial there who it's getting a little bit broken up So we need to make sure we take care of that Civil War Memorial Then we have a local a group of local businessmen who have agreed to donate money lots of money for Swings and other park record recreational equipment including picnic tables grills and so forth they've also agreed to to make contact to have someone donate the use of two trucks and a chipper which will We'll be able to work with Mayline to clean up all that all that slope area Then we have partners for community development who has agreed to work with eligible neighborhood residents to assist in some home repairs and Assist with the educational program also So we have a huge number of people that are very willing to work together Collectively to address an issue that has been of great concern to the community And I think we will put this plan together and execute it It will be just one of the most wonderful examples of that collective teamwork that that we've talked about and we'd like to see see in place Next we go to the customer service program. You'll see some signs I think you'll see a sign on the on the door here as you come in welcome to council chambers That wasn't there before as you walk in the front door see welcome to City Hall that wasn't there before We'll be addressing some of these areas that perhaps need a little bit of attention We're also going to be redesigning our website We have had a meeting with some of our staff and all of us agreed that we probably should take a closer look at it See if we want to do a little different layout perhaps a little different color Perhaps establish other links just everybody's coming up with some wonderful ideas and one of the individuals that I assigned to the IS Committee as a webmaster for Lakeland College who has agreed and his own Individual free time to help us work with the design end of the website The website is an incredible tool that we need to be taking full advantage of and it's done a great job It's a good website, but it doesn't hurt to update update the websites And then the budget prioritization program you've heard me talk about that. We will continue to hear me talk about that That's one of the projects of Ms. Hart And I will be working on also along with the Sheridan Park revitalization program and that's putting together that budget prioritization Program hopefully in about three to four weeks. We'll be able to come with something concrete and say this is what's going to happen And this is the time frame it is going to happen in and these are some of the results as we expect to The times that we expect to get some of the results and then finally I just wanted to inform the council that I've turned in the cell phone that was previously used by the former mayor the pager and the van The only time that van is going to be used by me is for long trips I don't need a van to to drive home. I live across the street But I also use my my personal vehicle to go to travel in town I've decided to do that so there's no complications or problems in the future with respect to using the brand for personal uses Or using the cell phone or the pager for personal uses. So I've turned those in I don't have access to them And that pretty much completes my my report if any of you have any questions Please feel free to call my office tomorrow, and I'd be glad to talk to you in more detail about that. Thank you very much Moving along consent agenda Alderman Berg. Thank you your honor. I guess I'm sorry take the time and keeping with Former Alderman Tapels comments the consent agenda for information sake our routine items that typically are brought forward and can be called by Individual elements for discussion. So usually you will hear such things as Accept and file all our roles approve and adopt all our C's and put all Resolutions upon their passage a report of officer would be a document such as city clerk Richards would initiate from her office a Report of committee would be those items that would typically be processed by any of the standing committees and reported out and on the consent agenda and resolutions our actions by Committees or the council that direct that we start doing something or stop doing something So to repeat what normally is said at this time I would move that we accept and file all our roles approve and adopt all our C's and put all the Resolutions upon their passage, and I'm sorry. This is 4-1 through 4-37 There's a motion in a second Alderman ballin I thank you your honor on document number 415. I would wish to abstain form the voting And I will read that document for the public's notice It says your committee to whom was referred this Document by the city clerk submitting a communication received from the by the mayor From Pam got second requesting a donation of five hundred dollars from the mayor's international committee For the subame sheboygan youth exchange group that will be going to Japan on July 20th and returning on August 2nd Recommends that the report of office would be accepted placed on file and the communication and from the committee And they will also be sending the five hundred dollar donation Reason I have to add standing from that is because of the fact I am a participant in the committee And I wish to not vote for that Or I mean just to abstain from it. Would you like to do a separate vote on that Alderman ballman? Excuse me, would you like to do a separate vote if only if the council wants it? If you I think we do need for abstention, okay, so we'll call we'll call separate vote on that Before we do we'll all miss usha Yes, I was wondering if we could have a separate vote on 431 the recommending entry into a contract for the purchase of a motor vehicle division Okay Thank you, let's do Thank you First Okay, we'll take a rope we'll take a vote on 415 was there is there a motion to do that already or not? Yes to accept and adopt You need to motion Sorry, what we would need a motion to accept and adopt that right need a motion to accept and adopt Their second second, okay any discussion on that and further if not, we'll take a roll call Sue ballman D-Berg E-Berg Davis Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemay or Ratke Sigali Stefan Susha Van Akron and Vander wheel 14 eyes one abstention motion carries it not asked for a motion on 431 to accept and adopt and pass the attach resolution Okay, I see button popping all over the place All the moment This is a recommendation by public works to accept and adopt the reporter committee their second Any discussion? Alderman Susha Yes, I'm just looking for some more information What exactly does a $90,000 beach cleaner do and what has been done in the past to perform the duties of this $90,000 machine? Alderman Bowman if I could your honor I'd like to refer this to our department head and He would take care of this for us, please. Thank you Alderman Bowman Mr. Holton. Thank you, Mr. Mayor We have a beach cleaner now It's about 15 years old those donated by I believe the JC's and it's users for picking up debris algae Driftwood rocks bottles any kind of litter off the beach and the one we have is Warrant wearing out we have a use for we could use to this would be a backup this new one as a larger one Which does a better job than what the current one we have? Alderman Susha Thank you I think it's part of the job as an alderman to look at the wants and the needs of the community and as much as I would like To say I want to buy another $90,000 beach cleaner Unfortunately, it's not something I personally believe we need at this point perhaps adding another Summer intern perhaps for $3,000 might help clean up the beaches They could pick up debris and do that for the entire summer probably for $3,000. So Unfortunately at this point in time being that I know we're going to be going into the budget Session soon. I think that would equate to almost two public works jobs and and for that reason I'm going to be voting no for the beach cleaner. Thank you. Thank you. Alderman Susha. Mr. Holton any more? No, that's fine Thanks, sir Alderman vernacorn Thank you. I got one more question for you This also cleans up The algae on the beach. Yes, it does. Yes. Yes. I've got several miles of beach. We need to maintain daily Thank you Alderman Bowman During part of the discussion in committee also we did ask or actually was my question. Are we able to? lease this to other communities for use and the answer was yes, we could and I guess we had done this in the past with our former beach cleaner The one is now deteriorating and going to pot basically and It would be added to back into the motor vehicle funding, you know for increasing the Rental rates then for you know replacement of vehicles And this is how of course we would maintain and retain the moneys for you know keeping the use of the vehicle Thank you. Alderman Bowman Alderman Manning Thank you, madam I've had his first district order person many calls over the years about the odor that comes from the sea weed in the fish North point especially Simply note for a common good that this will address the issue, but not completely And as we read our papers we know that the issue is much more serious than it used to be for reasons beyond our control Thank you Alderman many This cleaner we cannot go into the lake It'll pick up the debris the seaweeds washed up on shore We have other equipment to use end loaders or back would have pulled stuff out of the water But we it will pick it up once it's on the sand Okay We done we are taking a vote on 431 there's a motion to accept it up report a committee. So please call the row D-Berg Eberg Serda Davis Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Sigali Stefan Sushia Van Akron Vanderwheel and bowman 13 eyes to nose motion carries Alderman Maddie Thank You, your honor like to call Tom Holton to address the council in the public about 421 and 422 expenditure of $45,000 for a grinder Tom's comments can help educate us as to why such a thing is necessary in our treatment facility Mr. Holton on our our sanitary pump station up on North 3rd and North Avenue We spent about a million dollars up there upsizing the pumps and decreasing the probability of a backup We have a power backup up there One of the issues we're having is that wet wipes are going down the toilets and it's plugging the pumps And what we need to do is it's a grinder that'll chew up Those wet wipes before they hit the pumps and don't create any blackage in the pumps Alderman Vanderwheel Thank You, your honor I guess my question is well something thicker than a wet wipe gets in there. Is that gonna right? I don't it'll grind anything. I'll get through the sewer line. Thank you Any others? Okay, are we done? Thank you, Mr. Holton Okay Alderman Sigali Thank you, your honor. I would just like to bring up a 4-2 9 I just want to tell the people of Sheboygan if they missed it their rockets for school was absolutely terrific I was there on Saturday most of the day a husband even went with me and my grandson And it was just such a tremendous thing for these kids to be able to see these rockets go off So if anybody missed it, I hope you come next year because there was a beautiful experience Thank you. Thank you Okay, we will take a vote on items 4-1 through 437 with the exception of 415 and 431 that have been acting on already So please call the roll Eberg Serta Davis Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Radke Sigali Stefan Sushia Van Akron Vanderwheel Bauman and D-Berg 15 ayes Motion carries communications and petitions 438 to be referred report of officers 439 Alderman Sushia I'd like to make a motion to refer that to the Committee of the Hall There's a motion to refer item 439 to the Committee of the Whole And that is a motion by a city clerk submitting a communication from Susan Hunley Requesting that the Common Council consider in closed session the settlement offered that was submitted in October 18204 Regarding the room tax litigation. Is there a second? second Aldenberg They're on fuzz on this thing in my head Can you hear me now? Okay, if this thing is going to go forward to the Committee of the Whole I hope that it's going to be televised on channel 8 and That it will be held in open session That the taxpayers know what's going on here. Not not that it's going to be in closed session because this is going to Reflect on the taxpayers. So I think it should be held in open session and on television. Any other comments? Alderman Manning. Thank you, Your Honor. I would simply like to know when we could have that Committee of the Whole meeting That would be the call of the chair There could be a request made by certain alderman in particular you all the manner the better this week Alderman Serta I'm just curious as to why Why Thursday and not the original Monday as plan? It just seems that I think in fairness to letting the citizens know is it is it That we're trying to get this done before the appeal which Susan Hunley has made very clear that she has to make Her decision by this Friday I think it's I think it's fair to the citizens to know why it's being pushed up to Thursday and not the original Monday. Thank you Alderman Stefan Your honor I'm not answering your question. I don't know why it's Thursday I I just want to let you know I do have a previously planned vacation. So I'll be out of town on Thursday I guess I'd appreciate it at the council could wait I guess you know, I understand that you know legalities might prevent that. I would ask that if you do it in Committee of the Whole though I Know there's been a lot of contact I've talked to and I've talked to a couple emails gone back and forth with both Miss sushi and Miss Hunley. I know the state With the in keepers association as well as the city's people are working on legislation that I think you know Certainly as I mentioned to the mayor previous to the meeting matters and what you would decide here And those things should be you should have knowledge of those beforehand I won't be able to give you that knowledge, but you know, you might want to make sure you bring the appropriate People in who can let you know what's going on because there's other things going on At a state level that might impact any deal we would make so I would just ask that you consider those things before we rush this through Thank you all the month in my heart. Did you ever? Thank you your honor and thank you Alderman Stefan I will talk to you and to try to get that information Yes, or a person and I do think because of the legal things happening Friday We should try to get some information and maybe some resolution before then for all of our sakes and there never was one plan for Monday Thank you Alderman Berg this thank you, and I guess I'd like to counter Alderman D. Burns Initiative to have that in an open session and I would agree that an open session is preferable However, I'm one of I think several alderman who do not have a basis in fact for making a judgment on the city's position In order to learn of that position I believe the only reasonable way to do that is to have a closed session so that those of us who are new if you would to the Council would be able to hear from Attorney McLean some background and the and the city's past position I think that would allow me at least to make a more informed decision that we could then move to open session. Thank you Alderman Bowman Thank you your honor The only question I'd have would be the time of the meeting for Thursday because we do have a regularly scheduled public works meeting So that's the only thing I'm wondering about All the men will Thank you, your honor. I was also going to ask about the time, but I was also going to mention that attorney McLean has advised us Fairly well in the past when to be an open session wouldn't be enclosed. So I think we can leave that up to him Alderman Serta Thank you, your honor As older persons we have the right that just for instance today I had contacted Steve McLean attorney Steve McLean, and I have met with him personally regarding this matter I've also made several contacts. I have left messages for D Olson. I've contacted city planning and development. I Understand why Alderman Berg is requesting that it's an open session because as in the past It didn't have a reflection on the citizen's pockets books where it will now Because of the money that's being asked and I think it's important that the citizens of Sheboygan be aware of that And I think in all fairness we owe it to them. Thank you Alderman Stefan Maybe this helped And I understand Why they wanted why would be closed session, you know, obviously and if we refer to a committee the whole in the committee meets on Thursday Whether it's in closed session or open session doesn't really matter. It's still gonna come back to the council again for approval So at that point I mean we would discuss it in in the open and that would be At some point in the future. Thank you And open or closed session issues can be dealt with by majority vote anything else not Alderman Manning. Thank you, I do want to note that even though legally the appeal has to be filed by Friday Until it gets in the judge's hand the plaintiffs can choose to pull out appeal So he don't have to have action if we chose before Friday. There is some latitude Okay, 439 there's a motion to refer to committee of the whole and I vote refers it to committee of the whole and they Doesn't Alderman Susha, I'll be abstaining from this vote. Thank you attorney McLean just a suggestion If you do refer to committee the whole I guess my advice is to put on a closed session item on the agenda for that meeting If you vote not to go in a closed session, that's your prerogative But I think that that gives you the option to do that and I think it clearly fits within one of the exemptions the open meeting all which is To discuss with your legal counsel strategy to be considered regarding litigation which it's involved so I Guess my recommendation is to have a discussion a closed session on Thank you Madam clerk, please call the roll and I vote would be to refer Serda Davis Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Segali Stefan Susha Then Akron van der wheel Bowman Dberg Eberg 14 eyes one abstention Motion carries almost definitely Actually, I hit it before the vote, but it doesn't matter I just had just a point of information that you could give me attorney McLean this document would it doesn't really have a number on But I'm assuming both of these are they they're on my desk. So are they both public documents now? Not sure what is issued for 39 then the other one is a letter from Miss Hunley followed by a memorandum regarding a meeting that I mean I just want to make sure that probably takes most of the open and closed, you know Everybody's gonna know what it is if it's open session I mean if it's public documents want to make sure that that is the isn't I think there was one New document to replace the attachment on okay, so that means it's a public document then yeah, okay I'm not sure what the other document was you were referring to Well, the one was the old one that was 439 was in our packets and then the one was on our desk On the top of my packet. I should say when I opened it up Alderman Stephan on the original document for 39 That communication that came in with that was their original Susan Hunley's original submission to me Then late on Friday. She wanted to have this new one put in in place of that So that's why you got it just in your packet. So this is 439 part of it Okay Almond Montemayor Attorney McLean just asked that you perhaps consider Take a close look at the time there may be other meetings being held During that particular time and day that you may have in mind So you may want to consult with perhaps my office and ask Mary rager is there are there any other or I'm sorry city clerk Yeah, I know I know there's at least two meetings if not three I believe on Thursday Works and what are the other ones? Redevelopment of sorry redevelopment. Okay. Yes, I'll check with you. Thank you very much for reminding me of that Okay 440 lies over 441 lies over to June 16th 6 442 through 455 to be referred resolutions introduced 456 by Alderman Groff authorizing retaining outside counsel to represent the city in the matter of Shelley Wiener at all Versus city of Sheboygan and authorizing payment for said services Alderman Berg Any objection Second Second under discussion Alderman Sigali Thank you, mr. Mayor. Did you please tell me why you're asking for a suspension of rules on this and why this needs to be Done now if I may please. I don't know. I don't know what this is about. Okay. I Can address that Alderman Sigali the document just before is the summons and complaint from This wainer Against the city. It's on a Fripp and fall that the city denied the claim on and they're now filed suit and they're also filing a serving number of interrogatories that need to be answered within fairly short period of time and Rather than if we wait till the next regular meeting that's three weeks out The outside council would have less time in which to file the answer You only got 45 days in which to file the answer So I like to start that process as soon as possible. I did check with Sivmick and they Since you know, that's our basically our Insurance company if you will they're also recommending using Olsen-Cloet For the defense of this claim and we've used them successfully in the past in a number These sorts of cases the insurance defense type cases Okay, 456 there's a motion that the resolution be put upon this passage So which please call the roll Davis Kittleson Manny Meyer Montemayor Ratki Sigali Stefan Susha Then Akron Vander wheel bowman Dberg eberg and Serta 15 eyes motion carries 457 by alderman montemayote accepting the donation of the property known as bur oak from Robert e garden jr family Alderman montemayote. Thank you your honor. This is a real pleasure to talk about this We'll still need a vote when the resolution be put upon its passage, right? The robert garton family has donated 35 acres to the city Excuse me. Would you make a motion first and then we'll have a second? I make a motion that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion a second. Please continue. Thank you. I'll simply read this it will explain it very well A resolution accepting the donation of the property known as bur oak from the robert e garden jr family Whereas the robert e garden jr family proposed to donate certain property known as bur oak Being approximately 35 acres of exceptional undeveloped natural land to the city of sheboygan and Whereas the common council on april 18 2005 Accepted and adopted the report of the plan commission that proper documents be drawn Accepting the donation of the garden family property Now therefore it be it resolved that the city of sheboygan hereby accepts the deed from the robert e garden jr Family of their property known as bur oak being approximately 35 acres of exceptional undeveloped natural land according to its terms Be it further resolved that the city of sheboygan hereby expresses its gratitude to the garden family For the donation of this unique parcel This is not a park as we understand the word It is wetland and forest There will be trail signs and species of trees. That's it. No benches No black top no gravel. It'll be administered by maywood As part of their education program So I thank you gardens very much Thank you Alderman van der wheel Thank you, honor Alderman montemar touched how we were gonna Use that line. I was just wondering if we restricted on how we had to use it if it had to be with the dirt Trails and stuff like that Alma hoo and Attorney McLean the thank you, your honor the the deed is subject to some restrictions it They're going to place a conservation easement on this land. The land is not in the city. It's in the town of sheboygan It's I don't know How far it is from maywood? It's Some distance. It's not contiguous or even close to being contiguous, but Uh, it's deeded on the condition that this conservation easement is placed on the property and as alderman montemar indicated It's the intent is to maintain the property in its natural state. I think there is So I recall reading the conservation easement. There's one area that I think you can put in a parking lot of not to exceed 10 vehicles for parking or something The the conservation easement will be monitored by the I'm not sure what they're called the glacial lakes Conservation trust I believe or land trust So it's The the city would not be able to use it for other purposes Alderman montemar Thank you again, your honor When this was first talked about at maywood david cook cook was so very excited The varieties of trees and he said there may even be Lady slippers and jack-in-the-pull puts and that sort of thing. He was very excited to have this Okay So we'd please call roll kittleson mani meyer montemar ratki sagali stefan susha van akron van der wheel bowman deberg eberg surda and davis 15 eyes motion carries 458 to 460 lies over for 61 462 to be referred Reported committee by law and license licensing recommended denying beverage operators license number 67 47 based on the applicant's non cooperation with their committee And her failure to report all charges on her application Alderman mani Thank you, your honor I have talked to the applicant She said that she was sick and could not make the last meeting And therefore I would like to honor her request that this be referred to committee for her attendance at the next l&l meeting There's a motion referred back to committee and there's a second under discussion Not all those in favor state. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? motion carries Reported committee 8464 by finance recommended authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 205 budget Resolution number 2605 260506 by alderman grove authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 205 budget Alderman stefan Ah, yes, I've moved it Resolution be put upon its passage and it be accepted and adopted There's a motion to accept and adopt and the resolution be put upon its passage is a second Under discussion Not Meyer Montemay or Racky Segali Steffen Sushia Van Akron Vander wheel Bowman Dberg Eberg Serta Davis Nice Motion carries 465466 lies over 467 to be referred Matters laid over 328 resolution number 11 0506 by alderman grove amending the composition of the mayor's international committee to decrease the membership from 16 to 9 Alderman Bowman I thank you your honor. I'd move that the resolution be put upon its passage There's a motion and second under discussion Alderman bender wheel Thank you, your honor. Could I just have some explanation of why uh, we're reducing the members? Do you want me to? Alderman bowman Again, thank you, your honor. Um, when I was called by you yourself, uh, your honor, you did ask me if The numbers on committee was good and I said well again, this is your decision. It's your committee And You had asked then if you know like you said 16 was too many or enough or did you think it should be reduced? I said again, it was your Responsibility basically and if you wish to do so do so And this is where the numbers came down to nine from 16 But you're comfortable with the reduction. Good Any other questions? Okay Motion to uh, to put the resolution upon its passage holes in favor state. I Any opposed? motion carries 329 resolution number 120506 by alderman graff Abolishing the special public projects committee Alderman burr. Thank you. Your honor move that the resolution be put upon its passage There's motion and second under discussion Not holes in favor state. I Any opposed? motion carries 336 general ordinance number 10506 by alderman ballman amending section 29 three Subsection b3 of the 1975 shabuaga municipal code to update the reference to the marina committee To the marina and harbour committee Alderman ballman Again, thank you your honor. This is a general ordinance as you just had said it's simply a name change And I'd move that the general ordinance be put upon its passage There's a motion and a second Under discussion Not so people call roll Meyer Montemayor Radke Segale Stefan Susha Van Akron Vanderwheel Ballman Dberg Eberg Serda Davis Kittleson And manny 15 eyes Motion carries 337 general ordinance number 20506 by alderman graph repealing division 11 of the article of article five of chapter two Of the of the municipal code relating to the efficient regional government opportunities commission Alderman Thank you, Alderman Berg request that the general ordinance be put upon its passage There's a motion and a second under discussion Alderman singali Thank you your honor. Now. I can ask yes, ma'am I I would just like an explanation as to why You're repealing this I thought that this was going to be a good commission that They were hopefully going to save five million dollars in five years And I guess some of the citizens of our city also were thinking hey, maybe this is such a bad idea And now all of a sudden we're going to repeal it And I would like to know I guess and as well as them as to why this is going to be repealed sure The the logic the rationale behind is alderman singali is we already have As you're aware the city county shared services committee right now There's people the composition of that committee is comprised of people from the county and people from the city That committee is charged with with doing things that the urgal commission was supposedly to do And as you said the key word is hopefully say five million dollars There was never any specific specificity with respect to how that committee If at all was going to say five million dollars in five years The the other Part of the rationale is that the chamber of commerce in the county whole Frequent meetings that involve discussion of shared services now the previous administration did not attend a lot of those meetings I intend to attend a lot of those meetings myself And we will be able to coordinate and communicate openly with the city county shared service committee And that particular committee that the county and the chamber of commerce have All this issue of shared services not going to be lost by dissolver and urgal I guarantee you that because I am a great believer in shared services and costs Myself so whatever that urgal committee was going to address will not be left behind All these issues will be addressed it just creates another level of bureaucracy that quite frankly overlaps and duplicate what's already being done And there really is no need To have that Okay, we've got alderman montemire Thank you your honor You've said if you've said everything I was going to say about the duplication and the City county shared service committee that we have in place that we're working with very hard. Thank you Alderman Meyer Thank you. Mr. Mayor. Um, you've answered my question too. I had wanted to ask how this was this urgal Committee was going to save this five million in five years because I wasn't clear on that but Thank you Alderman stefan Yes, based on your answers. I'm going to support Repealing this and I guess I would just ask knowing the history And and that we're only one entity on the shared services committee, you know, it obviously it's with the county but The problem I always had at that committee was they always met quarterly at best So maybe you could use your influence to see if they could meet more frequently And then hopefully to get more accomplished I guess and out of those committee out of those meetings There will be a lot of other incidental meetings that will occur because of that But I guarantee you we will be we will be meeting Thank you Alderman Byrne And thank you. I guess that also addresses my concern and if that committee would feel that they needed to broaden their base and bring in extra parties and Include other entities. Would you be receptive if that recommendation came from that shared services committee to broadening that? Absolutely. Thank you Alderman Sigali Thank you again your honor. Have you ever had the pleasure of attending? That county and and city committee that you were speaking of yes Okay, because I have too and I I just thought just being in that one meeting at that time The county was very kind of sending to the city people that were there So I hope you can change that If you if you're there because they got they got everything through their way and the city just kind of sat there They didn't really have a say and if I didn't like to see that happen Thank you for your advice. I guarantee you we will not be given into it. I think my first concern is to represent the city very effectively You have alderman manner wheel Thank you, honor I realize that's possible or that There's duplicate of services basically But some don't meet at certain times and sometimes they don't meet at all And I think the Oral Commission is another tool that we could save money and I think That we shouldn't throw it away at this time Thank you Alderman mani Thank you, your honor I presume as we deal with a very significant issue related to shared services the ambulance service That that will call for a special joint committee and it will not be dealt with with the current established committee, correct? Correct We need to do that before too long Okay, thank you Attorney McLean Alderman mani there is a A joint committee of a quality assurance ambulance committee that does meet I think on a quarterly basis currently On the ambulance issue, you know, not for renegotiating the contract but for going over ambulance issues Thank you, attorney McLean And again, just as a final note the important thing is that we don't go around creating committee just because we want to create committees We need to make sure that they're focused that that they have Specificity that they have the correct people and the correct number of people In the membership and in this case it's just my strong feeling that that particular commission just duplicates What other committees already do and and can do and can broaden their their scope to do So it's just another level of bureaucracy that that we can put aside and move forward with the sharing services and cost Okay Please call the roll You know the vote is and I is to repeal Montemay or Ratki Sigali Stefan Susha Van Akron Vanderweel Bowman Dberg No Eberg Serda Davis Kittleson Mani and Meyer Ten to five Motion carries Other matters authorized by law 468 an RO by the board of electrical examiners submitting licenses that have been issued Allaman Byron I guess can I also take a 469? Okay, and I move that uh Both our rows be accepted placed that file There's a motion in the second under discussion Not all is in favor state. Aye Any opposed? Motion carries 470 an RO by the city clerk submitting a communication from Sheboygan police department Notifying the council of grant program monies applied for To use to partially fund the purchase of a fingerprint scanning archive transmittal network For the law enforcement agencies located in Sheboygan county Alderman Berg I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Reported officer be accepted and filed There's motion to accept report of officer and there's a second under discussion Alderman sagali Thank you. Your honor. Do you think we could have chief Kirk just talk a little bit about this so that people would understand Just put this is all entailing. Yes, ma'am. They would be just fine Chief Kirk Thank you, sir Mr. Mayor and common council the the purpose of this is a detective glenn fissures in charge of fingerprint Processing and mailing these fingerprints for those persons arrested to the state years ago These would be done on a fingerprint card We would roll them and then we would send each and every card We'd make multiple cards and send a copy of those cards to the state Back in 1999 we received grant money For a card to scan the card scan what we do is You fingerprint you roll the fingerprints on a card fingerprint card You then scan it into the computer and then you shoot it off to the state of wisconsin Now the state of wisconsin the department of Crime information bureau says that these fingerprints must be digitized therefore with the card scan which we received in 1999 is Pretty much a minutes Its course There are no longer any parts and in december of this year The company who provided us that machine says they will no longer provide Parts for that or if it needs to be repaired if there's parts to repair it they would charge us per hour to fix it we then talk to Different agencies in shboy and county Grant money was available through the department of justice to burn grant money And that money was about 18 thousand dollars that we could use to partially purchase a live scan fingerprint Monitor which a live scan is you you you roll those fingerprints right on a computer It'll tell you whether or not you have a good printed and boom Immediately it's sent by computer down to the state of wisconsin This is basically a joint effort with the county law enforcement agencies Where in fact that there was some money available and we were chosen as the agency to get this up and running Because shboy and county sheriff's department already has a live scan. We do not and uh, this would be to partially A fund to purchase that item also would be used to interface With the computer system Detective glenn fischer indicates that this should be the majority of the money needed to get this up and running So that is why We have sent this because it's a requirement of the grant application This unit is notified Thank you. I believe we have a question chief hollermann ratke Thank you your honor Just a quick question this chief is this going to involve all law enforcement agencies in the county like plinus shmoyga paul's Collar al carly and the sheriff's department as well as the city Yes, the the joint effort initially the the sheriff's department already has a live scan. We do not so In working with this committee detective fischer Assures me that we were chosen as the second agency and then down the road every other agency will hopefully through grant purchase their own unit attorney mclean Thank you, your honor. I've also talked to a detective fischer a little bit about this late last week and You know, this is another example of the county is making the application formally on our behalf basically and part of the The rationale that the feds have for granting the money is that this be kind of networked in county-wide with all the law enforcement agencies in the county so it's It's uh, it's another good example of shared services, frankly Wonderful Thank you chief cursor We have a motion to accept in file 470 All those in favor state i Any opposed motion carries 471 An ro by the city clerk submitted a notice of claim And claim in the matter of jody t armstrong versus the city of shabuigan That will go to a special committee on risk management Attorney mclean other matters Is a memorandum from eastern short library system regarding the public hearing on the plan for county library service in shabuigan county 2006 to 2010 And that will go to finance And that will be referred to risk management They were 74 Charter communications stating that they will be providing customers with an annual notice Including information and products and services available Annotice with some slight price adjustments to the installation charges and unreturned equipment That will be referred to finance 475 is a communication from robert meyer regarding problems with the parking in his alley Requesting no parking so that he is able to get into his garage without being blocked by vehicles Parking there for a long period of time That will be referred to public protection and safety 476 is a resolution related to the city contractor the chamber's contact And that will go to committee the whole Motion to adjourn second all those in favor say aye You stand adjourned. Thank you and good evening