 This week we've decided that we're gonna try and get like into the into an era best player of an era so we're gonna start with Howard Kendall Mark I because we can't go back any further because I wasn't born mmm he's quoting now and he was shitt and you wanna get away from the current shite so and we don't know what we're gonna say honestly no, so, if both say the same Can I have a reserve, I have one that is a reserve, go on. So the best player of the Howard Kendall era mar hwan in your opinion, Baz, was? I'm not going to say it. I'm not going to say it. This is really difficult. Because there was so many brilliant players and you couldn't have made a case for probably most of them for being the best of what he did within that era, but I'm gone just purely on quality here and the best player I think of that era was Trevor Stephen. And why I've chosen Trevor Stephen, listen I could have gone personal favourite but I've been 18 years because I actually love 18 years, but Trevor Stephen had everything, absolutely everything great in the air, good pace of baron, skillful score goals, never really went missing, you know, he was upping down that line with Gary Stevens and I just think for what he was, played up front a few times when he needed emergency striker, he was just absolutely brilliant to me. Interesting shout. I mean I've got a 1985 sheet with number seven on the back, so you know, I love tricky Trevor, brilliant player. I was actually going to say somebody and then I thought at the last minute, no, it's somebody else and I will reveal who the person I was going to say is. And I'll tell you whether it's the one or the other, I would say. And I was going to say Kevin Sheedy. He was be first thought for technique. Well just because, no, not only just, no, he was a tremendous footballer, he set pieces, he's got us out of the shit loads of times. He could score goals, take pens, he had a little bit of devil in there as well. He had a bit of everything about him. But then at the last minute, a lightball went on my head and I thought, no, it's got to be this person. And who do you think that person is? Neville Southall. Neville Southall. He was my reserve. He was my reserve because he's quite, you know why I nearly went for him and you make this might be your reason. I nearly went for him because I thought he was the best player in the world in his position and obviously Trevor Steven wasn't, so Boratio Trevor Steven, basically went for it and I'll feel playable Neville Southall to make one of the best ever to play the game certainly in the era that I've seen. In wealth football I'm talking about, but for me at the time at his peak was easily the best goal he could know well. Yeah, and that's why I chose to go for him because at the end of the day, if you took him at a whole era, you need a level of consistency and when Neville Southall wasn't in goal, it was pretty much the whole of the 86 season, but it was the whole of the 86 season pretty much, wasn't it? No. But it was nearly all of the 86, not all of it. He got injured in February 86. So it was the important bit, sorry, the important bit. It was to keep the business end because we were still involved in everything. So the business end of it, and I think that showed why we never won the double that season. I think we would have if never been playing. We definitely won one. Stupid pitching Ireland or something. Yeah, so exact. So it was just, I suppose he was the backbone on what the club was, and all those other players were, I'm not saying they were all interchangeable, they weren't, but if one player at a time was out, we normally had adequate replacements where they're, you know, Kevin Richardson coming in and done a job anyway, Alan Harper coming in and doing a job, Adrian Heath coming, doing a job. We always had, we always had players there and there about, but with Neff, it was pretty much irreplaceable. And I just think that, I think knowing that you've got a player of his ability in goal for you gives the rest of the team almost a license to push forward and go and win games. And also, you know, leadership qualities as well. He brought, you know, he was faced into training, lost out to training, just he run the dressing room. He was, he was so much about him when there was a lot of sort of big characters in that dressing room who sort of, I would imagine pushed out their personas a lot more than Neff did. I just think Neff didn't have to do that. I just think he was just like his own man, comfortable, comfortable being who he was and it didn't matter. And I think at the end of the day, you only have to look at his repertoire of saves that he made, that he had no right to make, you know, that falco falco in the, against Spades, you know, nearest rivals in 85, you know, that saver 2-1, things like that. I think he just, he just, he was the key man, he was just the key man for me and I think that's why go down has been for me the most important. Yeah, listen, like I've just said, he was the best goalkeeper that probably I've ever seen. He was incredible. Certainly I haven't been able to see that over and over in the world at that time. It's just unbelievable there was games that he just winging on his own when slayers went through, you were surprised when he scored. That's what he was like. Such a big presence, seeing him make saves in games that some people have hit it. Remember Gregg Dan, Coventry, he didn't even win anything when we beat them one little and Coventry scored, Gregg Dan did the free kick and put his arms up because he thought it was in and Salto's come from nowhere and tipped it over the bar. He saved the hardest penalty I've ever seen from Brian Kilclyne, who's just well-eared it and he kept it out. And that was in the season and we didn't win anything, but I think, like you say, 85, unbelievable, 86, he was brilliant and he just went and caught a cross and landed, and that was it, his ankle was done. Bobby Mims done well, you know, he won the league of black players, he wasn't a shite goalkeeper, he'd come in and done well but he wasn't Neville Salto, he wasn't that presence and I think other people got confident when Neville's in the strikers way and his confidence, and it showed the next season, Bobby Mims started the season because Neville wasn't ready but Neville was back for the business end and we won the league and that was the key difference, we didn't win it the year before, we won it the year later and it, like you say, he was just, you'd see strikers go through and shrink because it was him that had the pleasure of training with them and everything and he just welly shot and he just catty with one hand and throw it back and you just be like, welly, you shite off and you're saving it and throw in it, back brother keepers because Bobby Mims was the same as Bobby Mims and Fred Barber, and then when they were being, you'd be curling them round, they were leathering past them and he'd just go back to you, back to, and you were like, no wonder, like top class strikers, like physically shrink with them, you know, and now he and Rush had his fair share of goals against them, brother time, just to go through and he'd save it and you'd be like, that was a goal, without him that was a goal and he'd done it to every striker, he'd done it to, I mean you watch, I've done some Retro B watches and we've seen them and we've like been laughing at the saves that he made, you know, the very, the famous little mantas at chef wedd, when we won the three saves in that which are unbelievable and then even later in his career in 95 at Wembley, the double save from schools and stuff like that, just unbelievable goalkeeper and everything, like your striker, the first then, last out great, great fella, you know, straight, would have you, no problem, no problem bollwch yng Nghaernau, what we don't see now, I mean Jordan Pickford's got a bit of it, he doesn't mind giving the robot salt off, you'd grab your, you didn't want to mess with him and Evan had a lot of those characters which probably the reason why he was so good at that time is that the other team followed him, he was, he was instrumental in everything. Can I just, can I just, this, he was my favourite. He was yours, yeah, sorry, yeah. You tell me about Trevor Steven, don't you tell me about Trevor Steven. Trevor Steven, like I say, he came obviously coming from Burnley, Liverpool wanted him and we got him and he come in and he was a little bit hit and missed the first season, come in and think he found it difficult stepping off from, he played for Burnley actually, I hadn't felt it here before we signed him in the League Cup, think they got to it, the semi-final, they played really well and they were keeping an eye on him and now a Kendall Pants like, and come in and he was a little bit, as you do as the players you step up do, but 84, 85, sorry 83, 84, when he got in properly and he got his head down and we ended up getting to two-cuff finals, he was just fantastic and you know we've seen him at Wembley when he threw the crossing for the old Andy Greigol and he was great because he could go inside, outside Trevor Steven, it wasn't always outside, if they showed him inside he'd come in for a few in my left foot, he could play off the left hand side as well, make it said he could play through the middle, you know he was it, it's really difficult choosing players actually from that side because when I think back I just, I loved all of them, absolutely loved that, I don't know whether it was because I was a kid as well, but I loved every player, I loved Alan Harper and Richard and they, they hardly play, you know Richard did, Alan Harper was in and out, you know players like, we have like people like Paul Wilkinson who didn't, you know, I'm, it's that good to some of them, he beat us Grimsby and we fucking bullied them, we had about 35 shots and they got a free kick in the last minute and he scored, and then he beat us 1-0 on the bottom and he was a lad that had come in, scored a couple of goals and then he'd be back out of the team, no and it was just like oh he's not playing because he's in each back with a Grimshop or whatever, and that was what was great about that side, but when you go through that side Peter Reid, wore a footballer, wore a midfield player, he was brash well, one of the most gifted midfielders because he had everything, you can go through it Gary Steeveill, you know it is, you look now it actually makes you quite sad when you look at this team now that there's not many alike and there's not many who you'd want with you in a battle but that Evanton said you'd want them all with you because they all dug in, but saying that they came from, that was a good decision when we drew Neil the Coventry and he had fucking cousins came down and people were kindled out and all that, it just shows your Andy Gray was a bit of a key turn of points in it, but he was there when the Coventry things came down and it was like six weeks after that, but once that thing turned and we got on a run, the characters came out in the end, the true characters came out, a face that might have just been the lack of you know, not football ability but confidence and things like that, but there was always characters there with that. I love Trevor Stephen, I just think he is one of the most underrated English players that we've had in the last 30 years, I just loved, it's weird with me, I don't know whether it's because it's like out of sight, out of mind, but I've got no, I've got no time for Grame Sharp whatsoever, I think he's a dickhead if I'm honest, I haven't met him after, I just think I just don't like him and it's sourd my, you know when people say you don't never meet your heroes, for some people it's true, some people it's true, Trevor Stephen, I've met Trevor Stephen after football and I've been in his company and I've spoken to him. And have you found him? I found him very, very sort of intelligent, sort of down to a feather who was slightly, I think he's slightly removed from the Everton thing because of the other teams he played for, but still you know, you went into like being an agent and stuff didn't he, and very intelligent and knows the game and I remember speaking to him a lot of few things at the time and not really to Trevor, more to do with like podcasts and stuff that I was doing and he was, you know, he was interested and told me about him, but I think there's that, that creates that like, wonderment that you keep in your head about a bad person rather than thinking about how they aren't, I mean I would love, I would love to remember to say and play as well how they were on the football pitch, but once you get to know them, I mean don't get me wrong, there's nothing better in the world than meeting a footballer and finding out there is fucking boss like, I've been dead lucky, I played with Nev and I had a day with Nev on it, it was fucking, it was a scream, it was a scream from beginning to end, Watson, Agent Eiff, all great fellas, Agent Eiff, I mean, I sat up to drink with Agent Eiff and Watson till six in the morning, wacky one I don't like, well that's fair enough, I've met him, I've, he's a bit of a loof, he's a bit of a loof, I think, I think, but I sat with him all day, quite hard at the time, he was sad and Nev's the same Agent Eiff and we've spoke to him since and you've got to speak to him and stuff and he's dead on the level and but Trevor, you know, he's one of them where he's sort of, he left the club at a time where, you know, it was, when he left the club, it was at that moment where he needed those players, Eamon Gary Stevens and I don't know whether that's, not saying that's soured the relationship, it just felt like a bit unfulfilled. I think the problem was he stayed, Gary Stevens went, you're right Tom, Tom's just asking about it the window, Gary Stevens went and then obviously the European Bams then range is coming with some shiny money in and we probably, as a club, we probably should have done more to keep them, but whether the glory or maybe we should have done more to fight the European band maybe? No maybe, yeah, but Trevor Stevens, it was obviously well known that he was, range is one to them and the last few games obviously at Wembley and the 18-9 cofan of people got on the pitch and much, yeah, you know, having a goal where I'm saying he wasn't trying and maybe that's how it did a bit, but for the years that he was there, he was fantastic for us and just such a great player, but I don't, I just remember the, the youthness when I was at Eiff and then basically, watch, maybe I don't like watching cos he just kicks you out of me on the training pitch and he was a bit of a, he was a bit of a loof, a bit of a loof like some of them you meet now on the green and Derek Montfield loved it cos he's never, he's never been any different, he's always the same, never, never been any different and some of them are, some of them are guarded and he after being and when he's rushed you can't get the guard, drop something, that's what it's about, but Trevor Stevens, I can't, I just remember him, I remember him as a player and I remember him from training and in training he'd just finish and go, so he was quite removed almost, but he, I remember he was one of those like, suppose you'd call it like a thinking football, but yeah it was in the, it was in the very time and then he had other interests outside of it as well, so he was like that, but I remember he had the fucking boss calm and he had the regular, recuperator first and he had to get it, yeah. He, he strikes me as a man that probably you know saved all his money and invested and made more money out of it, I think it's, I think his evident case sort of petered out unfortunately as well, went and maybe he lost, maybe stayed in evident too long, maybe he petered out because of that, maybe she was probably on the year before, yeah, you know, but, but you know, it's football and ability, I, I, my favourite goal he scored and yours, I mean there's two, I love, when he scored against Bayern Munich, I love the celebration, I just love him running away, going like that, like as in it's done lads, we're done, we're through and obviously you know in the final, but the, but the one I love it is, is against Sunderland, when he comes in off the right, takes the ball, takes like gets control as he goes past the defender and then just smashes it, topping and it's just like they are all the elements that we miss, missing the game with Wingers now, Wingers now have just become this contrived player who just plays a wide, he was like a wide, he was a wide midfielder really, that was what was good about, I mean even the, the winner Lester, the Andy Gray, running into the pokes off, his head and Bollock and Steve Lyonics, Trevor Stevens, the one that flicks it on because he played up front that David Gray and that was what he brought, he brought, everything was good in here, I think, I think, do you know what, I would say, the person I would, I would say in the last 10 years you were reminding me of, is, but they've got a couple of things removed from each other's game, it's probably Beckham, but, but it wasn't, he was quicker than Beckham, much quicker than Beckham and Beckham is a better crosser and a dead ball, but I just, just like that old fashioned winger in the modern game, just, it doesn't exist anymore and he just, he could, like I should say, he could, he could mix it, he could throw boss balls in the box, he could, you know, he could, he just had so much to bar him, but he just epitomised that era of a lad coming from somewhere like Bailey and then stepping up and he goes to the well cup at 86 and, you know, he's setting goals up, that's right, he's sitting, you know, it wasn't meant to be, it was ridiculous really when you think about it, right, when you think about the 86 England team, right, it was built round all these fucking no marks, he'd done nothing and you got Everton players sitting there and because of injuries and stuff, the Everton players got themselves in the team, not all them fucking mouthfields left the fucking home, it took fucking out of a mountain instead, you fucking finished 12th, I think that season, Terry Fennig, Terry fucking finished and left mouthfield, too about north south divide, that's when it was a fucking proper north south divide, and in the end, but in the end we got, you know, it was Reedy and Stevens and Lynychair and Trevor Steven and all playing, Brishwell and they're all playing and you know this, when Lynychair got his attic, like there's one goal and I think the old project, the all the Everton players and you had that when you had pride fucking for England, but you can understand why he left and you know, we went on to play for Rangers, had all the money then and we're in the Champions League and that's where it was, that's when a lot of English players were up there and then again, I think showing the intelligence of him, he went to Marseigh and did really well at Marseigh, it's one of them, isn't it? I look back at that Demir interesting, I hate the way Sky have changed, I hate the way it's gone through Sky, but if Sky had to be a thing, I wish Sky would have come in 10 years earlier for all the footage and that because I think if you'd have had all that footage, the proper footage the way it is, he would be one of those players that people would revere, people would go, what a fuckhole are you going to go back because you get the grace. Listen, we're looking for an outcome. It's interesting now, we've just helped put together this Everton team, 84 to 87 for Pez and the lad, the lad's like, because I was on on him, because you know anything about Pez, you can mess about with the teams and there's a there's a set of lads who've brought out this classic teams and Everton winning it and I was like, why the fuck on Everton, innit? Because he started booking this 86 fucking team, if that's not fucking rubbing salt in the fucking wound, I don't know what it is and I was like that, when he put an Everton team and he said, oh, I meant he put an Everton team and in the end he was like, all right, we'll put an Everton team and he's actually put it in just for us, like given us the fucking thing, but he was back all the time going, what about this player, what how good was this player and I'm like, how do you not know, but he don't know, that's the thing, it's like the lot, in the end the kid was like, I've been watching videos of you Jesus fucking boss and it's like, it's like we're like the lost team of the 80s because in fact we are, well there's a film coming out, because loads of our footage we're missing because like TV companies were on strike and see and they weren't, there wasn't deals in place and there's grainy footage, that was Everton's footage and now like, listen, the Liverpool team, they won't win European cups and that's why the hard way they are, but it's all, it's all, like loads of the, I bet you load of the league games just, I've just gone missing, but it doesn't matter because they've gone all the European footage and we've got the European cup in his cup, fine, but it doesn't really matter because it's not the same, but those league games have all gone, it's just, there's like a lost generate, the problem for one of the things for me and it pisses me off is the 80s, there was the strike in the 86 season when we had Gary Linnaker for the first five months of the season and we were amazing and he was amazing and there's loads of brilliant goals that aren't seen, that's just not there and it's like, someone must have them, because the clubs record it, someone told me that BT, I've got, oh no, it was Johnny from Sky, didn't he come in told us? He said, Sky, I've got all the footage, all of it, they own all the footage, like anything, that's like, they've got all, but there's nothing, they don't do anything with it and it's like, and I've been saying for years and I haven't brought a DVD out not long ago, I've like 87 and 85, but it's like a game here, then some interviews and a game here and it's just like, and this was the other thing we, you know, when we've done the retros, we've like, we get done for this, but like, we have spoken to people and they're like, no, because everyone owns the footage, but nobody owns the footage because of all the shit that went on, no one truly has the rights and like we spoke to Evan about it and they were like, we can't really put stuff out because it's not ours, but it's not theirs and it's like, it's all stuck in this fucking no man's land and you're like, oh you want to do, it's for someone to just compile a fucking match by match, like Ting, no. I was that excited me when they brought the 85, they was like, oh that's going to be bossed isn't it, ended up being a shitty like talking heads video and I just wanted a full season review every game and they didn't, but I bet you're right, I bet you're at all out there, bet you're sourced at all, I bet you went to like individual clubs, they probably have their own story, like it pisses me off that Evan don't have like, catalogs of all the games, like online, but they just say, well, we've got them all, but we can't put them all online because that takes what bandwidth and bandwidth costs money and blah, blah, blah, they understand, put them all on fucking YouTube then, how fucking do it, how go work for you and put it all on YouTube, catalog it and put it on commentator and just give me a job, let me invest this one, run it all, no just put it all on YouTube and just get, you know, anyway, that's a different story, but it's annoying that Evan do feel like the lost team of the 80s, you know what I mean, I know, listen, I know when you look back, the success seems fleeting now and we know why the success is fleeting, but it does feel like we are just that lost team because we've got the thing that we're doing, and it's annoying because people like, if I went on to a kid now and I went to have a Steven, he wouldn't have a fucking clue, even maybe some of Evan's own age, young Evan's own age, he wouldn't have a clue, like I spin to the kid, this kid, he meant, what was Kevin Sheedy, I went, Kevin Sheedy was the best free kick, take it in the world and I'm not being dramatic about that, okay, there might have been a few out there in Italy or Eucas live and that kind of, a couple of people, I said, but he was the fucking absolute best, scored goals in the world cup, scored goals in the cup final, he was fucking brilliant. He kicked from anywhere. Take it, he was, he was fucking, I said it was amazing, I said I told him he was the best in the world, I'm not being dramatic on the side of these things, I said, you know, 86, he said he was not short after player in your, and we signed him and then we sold him to Barcelona on it. When he, and he says he didn't even want a fucking goal, and it's like, 40 goals, it's like these things and you just go, people are like, no, don't know anything about that. It's because of the sky then, that's what I'm saying. It's not just the sky, no, it's not, no, it's about the TV, it's what I'm saying, if that would have landed 10 years earlier, then all this would have been at that time, everything would have been, out there being everywhere. But it's even worse that, it's even worse from the fucking these things that ever didn't go anyway. I mean, I know why, but at the end of the day, there's other clubs not so far away who even though they, they, they moved on didn't they, but we just didn't, we didn't, for some reason, we didn't move on. We were the ones it hate most, and maybe, I don't know whether that, whether it was a mental thing, but we didn't move. This, I'll be honest, right? This is why I don't like Cephalocarta and can't, I can't take to all the Stan stuff, and I know people have different opinions than me, but I, I can't have them, because as far as I'm concerned, he never fought to keep us in your room. He just went, yes, Margaret, because he was fucking made today. I won't go into that. But he never fought, and I can't have him for that. He wasted the biggest opportunity ever, never had, because of someone else's doing. And then, what made it wear? We never reacted. They reacted. They went on board the best three players in the land. They, you know, the year after we won the league. Fucking hell, it's come to the end of the season now, or have they had all them sewn off for the next season. We just stood there twiddling our phones going, what shall we do next? Well, we need a new manager. Yeah, just get, just give it a calling. And then we went, oh, shall we buy? And it was a wee fear, but Tony Carter, he was quite short after that. It's not going into that area. No, but I'm just saying. No, no, but you're right, we didn't, we didn't, I don't think we'd done enough to fight it. We should have gone and got an injunction or whatever. We should have gone and said, we haven't done anything. We're not being bonded. It's wrong and blah, blah, blah. Oh, we should have signed an agreement that when it was back open, we were the first. We didn't do anything. We just, we just took it. That's what the clam was for. The clam was at the time, you remember at the time. People saying if they get back in, everything needs to go back in first because they're the team that's been here by it. We twice feel like it's done it. But, but you're right in terms of investments and everything. We should have built. You build when you're strong. You don't build when you're weakened because everybody else. If you're, you get stronger, you keep it. You keep building and building and building at the position of strength and that's how you maintain an area. I mean, don't get me wrong. Ultimately, the European band did for Liverpool as well because yes, they won in 80, 88. And they won in 85 and haven't come defended. But what I'm saying is that some of the league as well, they just, they won a couple more, but they won out of steam, didn't they? I mean, yeah, ultimately. But, you know, that, you know, I just think there's so many players that we look back on with such fondness and adore them. And other people just don't even know who they are, don't know who they are. Trevor Stephen, you wouldn't know. Someone wouldn't know Trevor Stephen is because he's not on telly anyway. You know, he probably did a little bit afterwards, but he's not that kind of fellow. He doesn't come across giving it the big I am. I won this and I won that. He's not like that whatsoever. You could probably walk past them in the streets and he wouldn't, you wouldn't know who he was. Where there's all the Liverpool players went on telly and Hanson and stuff and Lawrence and they projected that image of we've done this and we've done that. And our players never really did that, really. You know, the only one I would really say did that was probably Rady, but that's because he went into management and, but like everyone else stayed quite in chill out and Grameshaw local doesn't go on national telly very often. So it's, so he's seen as, you know, I don't know whether that may be because it's funny because it might be something to do with the affinity Grameshaw and the Gray obviously did, but people then go, oh, he's not in it. He's not ever Tony because he's like giving it the commentary in the Liverpool games, giving it the, you know, all that. But that's because that's how he got to where he was. I had Leon O's when a few weeks on stage and that and Giffords asked him about the telly in the radio. You never off it. And he went to know and he said, he said, I said we and I've been told not to. And that's because I like to think that Evertonians can't help but say we or players have played for us. But the idea is Liverpool players go and they've put X players go on the telly. Don't say we, but I fucking cuddled up to them anyway. So it is mad that those players, because you know, you know players from other clubs who are nowhere near as good as our players. And it's like the names are like riveting. You go on. I would like getting talked all like that. And our team was like amazing. No one speaks about them. You're like, it's perception isn't it? It's perception. It's perception. It's this idea. It's fucking people like Jimmy. Now you've got people like Jimmy and Janice and fucking Charlie Nicholas. He was a, he was a, he was a never be wasn't he? You've got fucking people like Jimmy and Janice and you've got people like, well don't mind Jimmy and Janice as much as fucking Danny Murphy. Jamie Reddnack who lifted trophies wearing a suit every time. Fucking hell. Well that's the thing, but that don't mind the weekend. Amen. Fucking, you know, our summer eyes is Jamie Frickin. Our Jamie Reddnack summer eyes and Terry Omry gives a shit if Sky need them. But we've gone away from this oven. We've gone away from, when Sky first started and every match would have like a punt, you know, you'd have someone in the studio from ever known, someone from the opposite time or whatever. It was always fair. And then I think it might have been because of the whole keys and keys thing, because it was like, no, we need a team that we can rely on. And you know what I mean? Like never leaves the circle of trust sort of thing. That's probably what. Shit. But then it's also gone on. We want the best it's also gone on like, I mean, look at, look at, we've gone madly over time. But look at now some people like it, you're right, you're right on every fucking channel I put my, but, but then you've got someone like, Sky don't want Gary Neville going on the BBC. They don't want him on the ITV, they don't want him on BT. That's okay, right? Because he's doing the games and that's great. And he does the mundane. I thought he didn't get it. Listen, I don't mind you any character. People don't care about character in our comments. I thought he was dead fair on the comments he did the other day. And what he says is right. I want people like Neville going on and calling our players. And character. I want them calling. If people listen to that, I like to, right? Now it's even better when footballers go, it's terrible if they don't have a clue when you think they've got to you, haven't they? The worst thing you can have is a summariser who would just, you just ask kiss. I don't, I once, I've got no issue with the likes of Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher, right? Cos I've had Carragher slate in Liverpool. Yeah. Right? But Jamie Redd now doesn't say if I'm weird about them. Good or bad. But he'll have a go at everything. Doesn't say you're weird. You know, Danny Murphy, the exact same thing. Soon as, you know, if you only have to put on the role there, Gerard. And you're like, you know, Stephen Gerard's not working in Liverpool. Fine, be a summariser. But he's at Liverpool now. So we shouldn't be anywhere near the telly talking about Everton. Regardless of whether he's right about Everton or wrong, going to believe the other day he was probably right about what he said about Everton. But he's employed by Liverpool football club. So we shouldn't have any opinion on Liverpool. Well, he shouldn't be a, he shouldn't be a contracted key fucking summariser. If he's brought into new a game by game. You're a P in games. You have no problem if he's coming into the, you know, whoever he's brought into the events. It's great cos he's been a great player. And you don't mind, but I just think to, I just think for, and if it was like the sky go look, the R team for this, for the four o'clock on a Sunday, Super Sunday, is Jamie Redd napp and Terry Henry, right? No problem with that. If that's the four o'clock game, right? But I don't want to see Jamie Redd napp stupid fucking cotton wool head anywhere near Everton games that are on a four o'clock on Super Sunday. Cos he's a fucking... There you go. The debate has gone all, any other business? Debating now. Anyway, Travis Steven, yeah. Now I think you've just nailed it there, is that for such an amazing team, it is like the forgotten team. It is kind of like, I think I'm good with it. Or did you have any good players and you're like, you should know. But you know what? I'll be honest, it's not the only forgotten team now. Let's be fair now. No, no, because... Yeah, but it's all about us. I know we are not in the Forrest Fancy. Well, I was going to say no, but not in the Forrest and that's good that... I'm not just in Villa Cunas, by the way, but yeah. I was just about to say, asked in Villa 82, they won a European Cup, a Forrest won two European Cups and won the lead. And what was good about Forrest is that film came out recently. And there's a film coming about at Everton soon, so all three of that sort of. And I sent you the thing of the day, I was watching top of the Pops 85. And here we are. It was like 26 and then the next one, they were like to number 13. It was boss. I was like, fucking hell, Everton. Everton in the chat. Me, me, missus, we're just sitting there going, how depressing do we feel? We've just been beaten by fucking Bailey, right? And we're sitting there watching top of the Pops from 1985, when all the music was boss. None of this shit now. That's what she said. I'm a bit of Kendrick. Come on. He's not in Tate. He's not. He's not. That's Lebron. Kendrick's a bit. That's why he was, that's why he was called Kendrick, but actually the 10 bits for Kenny Daglish. And Lamar was just because he liked Lamar. That was basically. I can't argue with that. He's got John written on his arm. Yeah. So what's he and Everton in the charts? I was just like, I was thinking, this is May 85. And I honest to God, I was sitting there just thinking, we've just been beaten by Bailey away. And man, I just saw my little dice. And I'm literally watching. I was just like, like we're talking now. I was just like, May 85, though. We've got to be bi-united in the cup. No, but we just had to sell for the league in the cup. The players were all drunk. Two are a three ain't bad. And he didn't mean drunk. He was all the time. If he'd have had two more days. And two days ago on the fucking PlayStation didn't I put the 85 team on the start of it. Steve, I know what I've got up front. Can you name me? Can you name me team? Obviously, shout out. It's me, the main team. Shout out Stevens. Bandanaw. I haven't even seen the squad, so I'm just going to guess it. So, Racklift. Now, have you gone Watson or Mumfield? I can't knock on Mumfield, can I? Okay, go on. All right. So, Trichy, Kevin Cee, the rebraise belt. So, it's your front two. Yeah. It's your four-fold two. I think you've gone. Sharp and linear. Ah, yeah, I've gone sharp and linear. I've gone sharp and linear. Andy Gray and Heath on the bench. Andy Gray. Andy Neath. Andy Neath. Richo. Richo. Paul Power. Power. I picked the squad as well, by the way. Winklach. Oh, Clark. He's Winklach. Goals. Goals, Mr Goals. They're all players. Yeah. Bails is on there. No, he's on the bench. He's not on the bench, isn't he? Waggy. Waggy's in. He had to play, because Rath got turned off against Riverbill in the cup. Half is in there. Bobby Mims. Paul Wilkinson. Welcome. I think that's it. The lad. He was in there at the end. I just said, oh, Snot as well. Snot is in there. And I just said to the lad, he was like, put Aspen on, like a couple of like Kevin Langley. I was like, no. He was like, huge story. Kevin Langley was good. Yeah, I know. He had a good little spot, man. Yeah. And then I just went, no, cut. There's too many. I said there's too many. But it's good, man. It's good, man. It's good, man. It's done the thing. And he was like, poor power's better than van den Eldo. No. But I can't be asked that argument. You can't use that, do you? You can't, you know? I'm strong at it. Make it real. But I think Neb's like about 85. Sheads free kicks. No, it should be 100. Sheads free kicks are about 93 or something like that. Because I said to him, that's the one thing. I think Lennachon might need to be a little bit faster. Because people forget how fucking fast Lennachon was. He was just like, watch the goalie scores at Amfield in 86. The fucking, the root, the ground he makes up is incredible. That's the goalie scores against Luton in the FA Cup. Tony Gubba. Just look at his pace. The foot, the Luton game in the FA Cup, but he played the ball, he just leased him for that on the five-bang goal. That was in the greatest seat on it. Beast was in the love of it. Night game. So that was 86. 86. Night game, a good one. How did we get in on it? On in the first game? It wasn't one-one. We get to be two now. 12 minutes left. It was eight in either. Two, two, two. And it's only took it on the shift and just stabbed it into the corner on the plate. So what was it? 86? 86, yeah. Night game. In what? February, March? What was it later? March, like March, yeah. Freezing. So I was seven years of age in the Gladys Street on the bar, probably freezing. Freezing, was it? Watching Evan being boss. Can't, wouldn't you can't by that? Lwpfer Evan four, man, sitting ill on YouTube. You just look at Gary Linnick's hat-trick. Go on the pressure, go on the pressure cells by watching Evan in the 80s. It won't make you feel so depressed because our Chairman was a Tory and this is why I hate Tories. And this is why you can't be an Evertonian and a Tory. Stop it. You can't. You can't. They kicked us out of your... Oh, bit. Lwpfer didn't even kick us out of your... You're factured it. Did you have it? Let's go. See you later. Goodbye. Love, Tories. I hate Tories.