 Like they always say, if you empower the woman, you've empowered the world. Not only empowerment in the aspect of giving us money to cook at home or staying in the house to tidy the house, but these days women need to be inspired and empowered to go into the world and conquer the world. You find that in the world, like the other speaker said, whatever you give to a woman, trust me, they tend to multiply it. So in equity, in empowerment, in financials, women need to be empowered and be given the opportunity to give what they have to the world. All right, Mrs. Ulubame, how can the goal of gender equality be achieved? Can you just give us some instances how this goal can easily be achieved, the goal of gender equality? When you talk about gender equality, you're talking of giving the women the opportunity to serve, to serve in an organization, to serve in the community, to serve in government. If we look at the percentage of women in government, yeah, it has increased, but sincerely speaking, we cannot measure it. And like I always say to people when we have such conversation, it's not a world of women trying to compete with the men, but it's a question of women demanding for our right of being in the right place where we belong to. Gender equality does not mean that we want to be placed side by side with the men, but like they say, what a man can do, a woman can do it. And you find that in the world, in the business world, women tend to achieve much better than men because we are much more focused and we look at this critically and we look at things holistically in such a way that by the time we place our judgment, we don't add sentiment to it, which for men, they will look at it from, okay, I don't want all the women, I don't want to do this, but women, we are always at the right place, at the right time, looking at it in the right perspective to life. So having a gender equality means that we should be given the same opportunity, like we've seen it in the world now, I mean, most especially in Nigeria, women are coming out now to vote for governor, to vote for senators and to go for the presidential. So I look forward to seeing one day a woman being the president of Nigeria, like in Rotary, as you are aware, we've had women taking the control of Rotary, the president of Rotary, the president governor of Rotary District 9-1-1 is a woman in person of Rotary and Ifi, and I mean, this is a good opportunity and if you look at the yardstick, she's done so very well. Okay, we also hear your strides in Baghdad though. So how can we increase the number of women in leadership positions in Nigeria? Given that in Rotary also, there are lots of women that are in leadership positions. So and also given also that the number of women in Nigeria, we are very high. So how can we increase the number of women in leadership positions in Nigeria? What advice can you give? Well, the honest is on you, it's on me. We need to take the mantle. We need to take the leadership by ourselves. The gender inequality, the gender bias needs to be faced by the women. If I don't come out to say, okay, I want to verge to be the president of Rotary Club of Baghdad, yet I could be invited, but if I don't have the will to do it, I might not do it. So for us to be given the opportunity, it has to start from a girl child. You need to train the girl child. You need to give the girl child the bonus to tell the girl child that it is your right to be a leader. You can do it. Make the girl child know that whatever the guy can do, you too can do it. Don't put your place in the kitchen. Don't put your place in the home. If a man or a guy can be a doctor, then you can be better by being a specialist in that field. So what we need to do is, one, encourage our children, the girl child to know that it is their right to take the leadership route. One, two, give ourselves the opportunity. We can form a community like we do have, and we need to push women forward, encourage ourselves, contribute money. If a woman is voting for Senate, have we been able to support that woman? Do women support women in achieving things? Those are the things we need to do. In Rotary, for example, apart from being a Rotarian, Rotary is gender in bias, but we see women in Rotary in such that if a woman is trying to do something in Rotary, we come together to support and make sure that the woman achieve it much more better than the other sex which is event. So we must encourage ourselves. We must stand by ourselves. We must not stand behind, but we should stand beside ourselves and make sure that we see it through that the woman achieve. All right. So recently, some women in position where I don't know, some people say they were witch-hunted. I don't know how you want to describe it. So do you think women are championing themselves for the opportunities that they have for the opportunities in leadership? So what more can women do to support each other? Well, I don't usually believe anybody can witch-hunt you or I can't be a witch-hunt. You are who you say you are. And like I always say to people, you should always learn to see cup half full, not half empty. It is when I say that I look at it from the negative perspective that I feel that you are witch-hunting me. Now, if you now have the perception of being witch-hunted, what do you do? How do we come together to achieve the fact that, okay, this sector of people, it might not be the opposite gender. It might not be a gender. Women do witch-hunt women too. Let's get it clear. So if this is happening, how do you handle it? There are different ways to handle such. You can approach that person. It could be a perception. Madam, I understand that for every proposal I give to you, you truncate it, you don't look at it, you give me a negative perception to it. What is your view? That is engagement. You can engage whatsoever you think or with the sector that you feel is. You can also review the critics. If somebody criticizes you that what you are doing is not wrong, you need to sit back and check. Am I doing it right? Is the person really witch-hunting me or criticizing me negatively? Or is it that I'm doing it the wrong way? So by the time you review it, you review yourself. You become up with a holistic position to really know if it is right or wrong. And if you feel what you are doing is right, please, you go ahead. You can also get the women community, the cooperative society, the women society to join you and feel like, okay, I am being witch-hunted. I feel I am weak in this perspective and I need you to come and join me so that we can achieve this goal. And you find out that if you come together, I mean, they say one can run a mile and a thousand can run 100 miles. So by the time we come together and we look at it and we see the weakness and the strength in what we are doing or we have done, you'll note that we can forge ahead and achieve much more better in unity. All right. Now you've said it all. You've said some very basic points. So what is rotary doing to promote the course of gender equality? Okay. Thank you. In rotary, I must tell you, we call ourselves Rotarian. That is to diffuse the issue of men, women or something. So either a man or a woman, you are a Rotarian. So that brings in equality. And we recently started conversing on equality, equity, diversity in rotary. And this makes us not only in the aspect of gender, but even in aspect of age, not old, not new. So you can also bring the 30, the 40, the 50 year old and they will blend who we blend together. So in rotary, we don't really have the gender issue. A woman can be the president, a woman can be the secretary, a woman can be the treasurer, whereas we can have a man. We don't have OUI chief or you are a pope. We are all Rotarian. So we try as much as possible to balance it. Rotary is non-governmental, non-profit making and non-gender bias or non-gender related organization wherein we preach equality, we preach diversity, and we preach equity. All right. So as the world celebrates International Women's Day, we just spoke to a leader in the rotary club, Magada, Mrs. Olu Bumi Ogunsade. Thank you so much for joining us and have a good evening. Thank you, Destiny, and I wish all the women in the world, please go ahead and cook high in the next one yet. Happy Women's Day. Thank you so much.