 Hello, welcome to the session on DevCon proposals for DevCon 15, it's not too late still to decide that you're interested in having DevCon 15 in your city, I mean today or even in the next few months. If you want to register your interest today it's nice, I know a couple of groups here who have presentations ready to share, but it's also possible if you just want to come up and say, I think it would be great if we want to have it in Syria or whatever and try and find later some team for that. So I just, I will, well to start with I think, so who is actually here from a bit team? I know that there are people from Belgium and people from Germany here, is there any other team here that wants to, that's willing to say anything today or is that it? So yeah so I think what we, the best format is if I just say a few things quickly about how this things work, then maybe we have about ten minutes for each bit team that out of the two who registered their interest to show some presentation and I think if we take questions to both bit teams together at the end it will be more efficient than trying to split up the question time. So this is hopefully a map of where we've had Debcons so far. We are achieving kind of good coverage in some parts of the world, it would be maybe nice if one day we had some Debcons in this kind of area, but yeah, we'll see. Yeah that one too, yeah. The travel sponsorship might be difficult, but yeah. A few years ago we had a discussion about what Debcons is actually for and we ended up deciding some primary and some secondary goals of Debcons which are listed on this slide. So we said that the main goals of Debcons are enabling face-to-face interactions between the people who come, providing talks and video to many more people who are not actually physically present at Debcons and providing time for people to work on Debian. And two things that are big factors but a kind of secondary to those and should really happen as a result of the other ones are trying to motivate the contributors to the project and also to motivate the local community in whatever region that conference is held in. Typically if we organize a good conference that really focuses on the first three then the other ones will end up happening by themselves. If you want to, for the bid teams probably already found, the people who are making proposals today have probably already found this, but if you are interested in bidding for Debcons 15 or for any other future Debcons here then you could have a look at this Wiki page and there's a lot of links from there to some other pages. Also on the Debcons Wiki there is a category Debcons manual which has some documentation in better and worse states on various aspects of Debcons that can also be quite useful to look at if you're thinking about how things might work in your own region. So the timeline then is a couple of teams will present possible proposals today. At the end of the year sometime we'll have probably in December we would have formal bid submitted which means completing some kind of questionnaire effectively that we give and maybe ideally having some photos and other information ready, being able to answer people's questions about things and then probably early next year we would then have a decision on what the venue would be for 2015. The exact timeframe is normally a bit dependent on what the teams who are bidding want and how ready they feel they are and then in 2015 we'll have Debcons in one of the locations. And just to mention if you are organizing a bid or starting a tentative bid then given we're in Debian it's not hard for us to provide you with a mailing list and web hosting or any other services you need. Just really go on speak to someone who's already involved in Debcons and they'll point you in the right direction. So we will now have the bid presentations. Can someone from the Belgian bid pick heads or tails? And the coin came heads so you choose whether it's for the second first. There we go. Is it all? Did I switch it off? It's all. It's working. Yeah, good. So hi. I have been thinking about doing a Debcons in Belgium for quite a while and I decided during the day trip today or this year that if I wasn't going to make a bid eventually it would probably never happen. So that's why we have a bid now. I chose Mechelen mainly because that's where I live and that would make it easiest for me and because it was my idea it's going to be Mechelen. But this is not by any means final yet. If you find out that for some practical reasons Mechelen is not the ideal solution in Belgium then this may still change. But for now we'll assume Mechelen. Mechelen is a European city with a medieval history which means that there's lots of things to do. I took a picture of a panorama picture of the central market square. You can see some medieval architecture there. It is in the heart of Florence in Belgium halfway between Brussels and Antwerp. It has just over 80,000 inhabitants which means that it's not a very large city. In fact you can actually walk from one side of the city to the other within about 15 minutes. So that's not a very large city. Another advantage of going to Belgium is that the average person there will know at least two or three languages out of Dutch, French and English. We will often find people who even speak German or Spanish or something similar and even more than that is absolutely not unheard of. We are really good with languages which is useful for an international conference. Sandra of Europe is showing an area so getting there should not be providing too many issues for most people. Mechelen is an interesting city with some things why it's famous. One of the few things we have a soccer team that was you have a winner cup champion in 1988. A long time ago but hey. A brewery called Het Ankerge which brews some beers that are sold all over Belgium. They used to have a lot more. This is the only one that's left. You can visit it. It's a nice thing to do. There's a toy museum which is interesting for kids and geeks alike. There is a Caroline school, a world famous Caroline school actually. People from all over the world come there to study playing the Caroline. There are four public Carolons in total which I kind of like. The art bishop of Belgium, Lizzie Mechelen. A cathedral and a tower that you can visit with a nice view. There's a zoo also nice for kids. There is a beganoff. Look it up on Wikipedia. It would take me far too long. I don't have that time. But it's really nice that all small queen houses really nice to visit. There is a handshake processie. Very famous actually called World Heritage. So it's not just something. And well most importantly it will host Debcon 15. As I said I made a decision to go for the Debcon. So this is about the local team. If you want to do a Debcon you need a local team. We don't really have one yet because in three days building a local team is quite fast. So I didn't manage to do it. However I'm personally a member of the FOSM team. So I do have some experience with building large conferences. You may have heard of FOSM. I don't know. There are 17 Belgian developers. Not all of them are active anymore. At least those who are here are in the room and have expressed their interest in helping out to me. Sorry. They are sitting right in front of you. Hi Luc. Hi Kurt. Hi Ivo. Right there. There are some Debcon developers in the southern Netherlands as well. I mean Belgium is not that large. Mechelen is not that far from the border. In fact some Debcon developers from the Netherlands live closer to Mechelen and some Debcon developers from Belgium. And well northern France but that might be a bit of a stretch. At least some of those who are here have expressed interest as well. In addition I wrote a blog post about my intentions and I sent some email and that's produced some interest as well. So I think we're on the right track there to produce a local team. If you're going to do a Debcon you need a venue. I have I think there are several options I picked out too. This one is really my pie in the sky option. I don't think we'll be able to use this one but it will be really great if you could. This is an old brewery as the name here says. Brauere Lamotte. It is a closed one. It's not of the active ones anymore. They changed it into a convention center. You can see that this ceiling is a bit sloped. That's because on top of that there is an auditorium which can seat 250 people according to their website. They have seven more rooms that we could use to do talks in. Not all of them are that large of course. They are also situated right next to the river and across the river is the fish market where there are lots of restaurants and bars providing a very interesting opportunity to go out for a food or to have a drink if you want that outside of Debcon. However as I said it might be a bit too expensive and therefore I mean it would be really nice so I will investigate this but I'm not sure if we're actually going to be able to afford that. It also doesn't show on the website so we'll have to go there in person. Another option which is actually more likely is the Lesjus Hogg School. They have several campuses. A few years ago in Belgium the law was changed so that institutes for higher education had to be grouped into well so that the government wouldn't have to deal with as many of them. So they now have I think they have three in Mechelen and four in Antwerp and there's also one in nearby Citt Catalan and Wafer and in fact that's one the one in Citt Catalan and Wafer was the venue for Academy 2008. So it is reasonable to assume that the Lesjus Hogg School know how to deal with an open-source conference and I think this is a likely interesting venue. In fact this campus, the best is just a few hundred meters down the road from the train station so also fairly easy to to reach. I'll come back to that later. Lodging is not yet the best part of this presentation. I live in Mechelen therefore I don't need lodging in Mechelen so therefore I don't need know what what's there so I'll have to look for that a bit further. I did sorry okay I did check a bit I did check a bit and I found several hotels are fairly near to my pie-in-the-sky option the Mercutifase in fact on the fish market itself. Price might be an issue though it's a hotel it's not a hostel. I checked according to hotel.com price for one room for one night would be 60 70 years that's clearly far too much. Of course these are prices through with a commission without scale prices let's assume we can cut that in half that would still get us 30 to 35 years it's more reasonable but I think it's probably still too much so I need to talk to these people before I can actually make any promises about that. There are also some dorm houses in the city that might be a more interesting option however it's not clear if these will be available in Belgium if you study and you fail your exam in June then you get to try again in September which means that many students will still be in the dorm houses until September studying and they will probably not be very happy if lots of geeks are making noises in the hallways. So this really needs some more investigation that's not clear as such I also haven't looked at food yet because that would really depend on what we have for for lodging so I looked at this telnet is one of the major players on the Belgian telecommunications market they provide cable TV cable internet telephony both fixed and mobile they just happen to be headquarters in Michelin so that is somewhat helpful they have at least one Debian based products a cloud storage sorry cloud hosting product that where you can choose Debian as the operating system so they probably know what Debian is and have a commercial interest and we also have some insight lines that is I know a few of their system administrators and I've also once or twice sent them invoices for services rendered so I think given these fact that it is not unreasonable to assume that they might be willing to provide sponsorship. Reachability is actually one of the strong points the nearest so you can see this is a map from from Open Steepmap you can see here is of what maybe you can't see but right here is Antwerp this is Michelin and this is Brussels the nearest airport is Brussels national airport at Safentem which is right here about 20 kilometers away from Michelin there is a train station under the airport with the direct connection to Michelin which takes 11 minutes that's rather quick I would say there are high-speed trains to both Brussels south and to central station if you're coming from somewhere in Europe by high-speed train from there it will take depending on the exact type of train 15 to 30 minutes to get to Michelin it is also right next to E 19 which is this blue line here and there's two exits there so if you're coming by car that's also fairly good reachable so in summary Michelin has very good reachability it's easy to get there it's an interesting environment lots of things to do in a in a city of that size yet it's not too large there are several options for the venue although we need to investigate a little bit further there will probably not be connectivity issues but we do still need to work on watching thank you so we are here to present the proposal for DevConf in Germany we don't have as much information as Valter had but still we wanted to say that we are interested so we don't yet have a city there are many cities in Germany there's Berlin there's Munich there's Cologne Frankfurt yeah and it goes on and on there are many cities we haven't chosen which city we will present as the formal bid in December right so yeah it could be anywhere in Germany so many maybe many people will remember the last time we tried to run a bit for Germany it will not be like that last time we won't have internal bids against each other and fighting and whatever we will try to put the venue thing first we will go around Germany look have a look what's a good venue for DevConf and then we decide okay this is a good location and say okay we have nice areas all over the country and it will be working we also have beautiful landscapes like here but we will likely hosted in a city and go to the beautiful landscape for the day trip we also have lots of beer although personally I prefer Belgian beer you can bring Belgium beer so they've been in Germany they've been Germany is the second country in number of DD's in number of active DD's the first one for anyone that wonders is the United States and there are also a lot of companies that work with Debian like provide support or stuff like that that we hope will be potential sponsors for this DevConf but we haven't yet contacted anyone of course and in terms of local team like I think two or three days ago Azim approached me and said okay I want to do we would like to do a bit for Germany again and we just shouted around wrote some mails and gathered like what was it 10 12 people just out of DevConf who said okay we want to support we want to support you and I know a lot of other DD's or non DD's contributors who really would like to help to have a DevConf in Germany so on this side we are pretty sad so as Relyna already said we plan to work together as a country and not put cities against each other we want to find the best venue possible in Germany we are convinced that there will be a good venue somewhere although we don't know yet where and if you are interested in helping out there's the mailing list and there's the wiki we are currently collecting ideas of possible venues and yeah then we will be investigating those I think that is so now let's take some questions from people again I guess people may have some questions that apply to one bit of the other but it's also nice if you can ask a general question that both teams can can answer on no questions it's not exactly a question but it's something that I would like the beats to take into account is that every time we are having more kids every time we're having we're having different developers with kids that couldn't make it here because of the infrastructures and stuff so I would like to do that the beats took into account making it available for people with kids and especially female development developers with kids to be able to attend I don't think there's anything to answer sure we will take that into account oh if I may say something about what he's saying I sympathize with the general sentiment but not with a specific as a parent I would much rather bring my kid here than to a university campus not because I don't value university campuses mind you there's a lot of places that where I would prefer to take him to a university campus than there but my point is if some people don't like to take their kids to nature that shouldn't be taken as an argument against doing camps because I think camping is one of the activities that most benefit skids and I talk as a parent in my opinion yeah it's on in my opinion that conf changes every year we had camping and nature opportunity here we have a university accommodation in Portland and I think we'll have a look what the next one will be even if maybe nature or camping is very friendly for children we should look at diversity real diversity so have a look at what is a good venue and try to get all people together and I think it should be changing with the countries I think it's also I mean sure those connoisseurs generations are important and I agreed it's it's a good thing to look at that but the most important thing I think is to make sure that that comforts well and if that is true and then we can always look at what the available venues are to make it work well and then pick the one that gives the best consideration for kids or people with parents with kids stuff like that but I don't think that should be the most important consideration but I sure agree that is that it is important that we should look into it thank you so just a question me who has had racist hands so that I have nowhere to go to so he's the next good just the last sentence to the kids question and at least for the Germany team two of the people on the organ team have little kids so you can rest assured that we will have to find a solution for us anyway and that won't be limited to two it's a this is a somewhat of a unrelated question but has any of you thought about pricing or cost now of course I realize that all of these estimates will be wrong they are every year oh I'm sorry yes so I was asking about guesses at cost and I realized that every year the numbers are wrong at the stage and they will be wrong at several later iterations so it's just an idea to get a you know gut you know into it a feeling for it I did try to look into that and that's how I came up with the hotel prices but it's it's really difficult to do that from 700 kilometers away I it's one of the first things I'm going to look into when I get back into Mechelen but it's really difficult to do it from here I can't really give you any estimate that would be even remotely accurate so I'm gonna try sorry yeah it's almost the same situation here we we thought of different places and all of the different places we don't have any numbers so we can't really know we want to have it affordable as always we don't want to go over budget so it's something that will be taken into account and when choosing the best venue that the price of the venue is also going to influence a choice I mean I know I just wanted to clear out that I mean if nobody else has anything else to say that I wasn't saying that kids should be a priority or that nature should be chosen over campuses I was just saying that it's been said twice to me at least once I heard it right now and once before privately that this was a bad venue for kids and I just like personally for me personally saying I think that's apparent you have it wherever you want but don't say that nature is bad for kids come on it's ridiculous this this doesn't belong to this this presentation so please let's not go into it if there is if there's no more questions the next session is going to be the Debcon next year in Portland session at in half an hour I guess so if there's no more questions then I guess we just thank the big teams for starting