 a week of grief as we witnessed the Manchester bombings and yesterday we witnessed the London incidents and a week of grief because we've seen what happened in Kabul and in Karada so we do send our condolences to the families who lost their beloved ones on those occasions and on those events and we also send our heartfelt condolences to the people who lost yesterday in the tragic incident in London. Now we also have another year of grief a year of sadness in which Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wa alaihi wasallam lost two-thirds of the Islamic pillars. Many people around the world commemorate in these nights the passing of two individuals Abu Talib the Prophet's uncle and a man of great character and lady Khadija the Prophet's first wife and the person who contributed the most to the success of Islam. In regards to Abu Talib there is a huge debate on whether he died as a Muslim or as a kafir and of course he is the father of Ali Ali sallallahu alaihi wa sallam but is this enough for his salvation? The second part of today's episode we will look at how lady Khadija is revered within the religion of Islam as well as what were her contributions to Islam and the Muslims and the last portion as usually have as the general Q&A we left that out and dedicated the last portion twenty thirty minutes to talk about the incident of what happened in London yesterday was a brother from London but inshallah we'll begin with Abu Talib Sayyidina sallamu alaykum. We do can send our condolences to you as well as the Muslim Ummah for the demise of Abu Talib as well as Lady Khadija alaihi wa sallam but beginning our discussion as I mentioned the debate of whether he died a Muslim or a kafir still raises or still rises why why is there a rage about him being you know a Muslim or a kafir? Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Raheem of course we send our condolences to those people who have family members who have passed away in that horrific scene in London that we saw only last night and that is my hometown and whenever anything happens there hurts me as much as it should hurt anyone else in the world and it's so poignant that we're also discussing two personalities who when they died it was a year of grief for the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon his family now when a person asks why are people still wondering is Abu Talib a Muslim or is Abu Talib a kafir naturally a person is brought up with a particular heritage that heritage comes from literature which has been inherited from one generation to another they have reverence for the writers of that piece of literature then anything that they say about certain personalities is obviously going to be what generation after generation are going to be taught yes so with many people who today may think that Abu Talib for example died as a disbeliever it is only natural if they are only following the religion of their fathers and their fathers and their fathers who inherited sets of literature from the Abbas that's onwards who may have had a particular animosity towards Abu Talib or indeed towards the children of Abu Talib we know very well Abu al-Faraj al-as-Pahani's famous work Maqat al-al-Talibiyyin highlights that there was a great animosity towards the children of Abu Talib as we know the Imams of Ahl al-Bayt alaykum as-salam are the sons of Abu Talib there was certainly a lot of friction with the Abbasids who were their cousins but were the great-grandson of Abbas the uncle of the Prophet peace be upon his family so you've got the Holy Prophet Muhammad peace be upon his family has a number of famous uncles Abbas and Abu Talib and Hamza and Abu Lahab and so on and naturally when the Abbasids are going to be the empire where one may argue a lot of literature that we have today your Sahih al-Bukhari's your Sahih Muslims your termites and Nasa'is and Abu Dawood's and Ibn Maja's and so on were all written in the period of the Abbasids then that animosity may have been seen within the literature when it's seen within the literature that literature is inherited from generation to generation I don't want to generalize and say that every single Muslim out there who is not of the school of Ahl al-Bayt believes that Abu Talib died as a disbeliever no there are a number of works which were written and continue to be written in praise and in honor of Abu Talib peace be upon his family but when you're asking me why does this debate continue to rage is because we inherit certain literature which still has the fragments of the animosities that certain empires had towards certain personalities and therefore this was taken out against their ancestors now a question that is always asked in regards to Prophet Muhammad or the emma we find that you know how does a 14 year old individual character influence us as Muslims living in 21st century now does this question apply to Abu Talib as well I mean how does the life of Abu Talib a 14 year old character influence our lives in what way well I've heard this question many times that why should we be discussing for example people who died a thousand years ago exactly well ask the Lord of Islam why he kept on discussing personalities who lived a few thousand years before the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon his family in the Quran how many times does Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala tell us to reflect upon the story of Adam Adam was ten days before the Prophet Muhammad thousands of years why does he tell us to reflect on the story of Noah the story of David and Solomon Abraham Moses Jesus it's so that we're able to learn the lessons from their life it's not a matter of a person just saying well you know what Karbala happened a thousand years ago what difference is it gonna make in our lives today what happened to Imam al-Hussein alaihi salam or Abu Talib died a thousand years ago who cares if Abu Talib is a Muslim or a kafir how does that affect our lives today on the country let us learn the lessons of Abu Talib's life and also let us show appreciation for the sacrifices that the likes of Abu Talib gave for this religion he when a person like Abu Talib has a line in his poetry the great Allama Mazandarani has collected thousands of poems of Abu Talib alaihi salam and in his line there is no way any of them will reach you all Muhammad until there is dust gathered all over and I'm buried in the ground isn't that a wonderful example of sacrifice for the religion of Islam yes when I'm studying Abu Talib and now I'm seeing myself living in difficult circumstances as a Muslim I'm trying to defend the real image of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him I'm getting abused and attacked from every angle when I hear these lines when I see these lines of Abu Talib I am inspired by these lines I look at this man I think subhan Allah Islam was only a religion of how many people at the time only a few a handful and this man gave everything from himself for the cause of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala that's when history becomes real yes I agree with those people who sometimes say well if lectures on history are purely about history and they don't relate to our lives today what's the point exactly but with Abu Talib there is so much from his life that we're able to apply into the 21st century life whether you're living in the West or in the East hopefully inshallah we can get to mention a few points regarding that but a lot of people ask you know the people who pre-islamically existed who was the father of Abu Talib and how influential was he back then Abu Talib's father is of course the grandfather of the Prophet peace be upon his family Abdul-Mu'talib and we are adamant on our belief that these are all monotheists not polytheists the school of Ahlulbayt is adamant Abdul-Mu'talib Abu Talib they are all believers in one God never were disbelievers or never were polytheists people who put partners to God sheikh al-Mufid has written a treatise on the belief of Abu Talib as well as Allama al-Amini the author of Al-Ghadeer has written a wonderful wonderful analysis of the belief of Abu Talib and Abdul-Mu'talib's belief is clear for all of us to see if I were to ask you which Surah in the Quran is the one that talks of an incident related to Abdul-Mu'talib's defense of the Ka'bah when it was about to be attacked by a certain group of animals feel feel the elephant many of us know Surat Al-Feeel I know I had to add so many clues because I had to make sure that you do that say that come on why no I know you definitely are someone who would know that one now when you're looking at Surat Al-Feeel Al-Mtarra Kaifa Fahala Rabbuka Bi-Ashabil feel the story of the companions of the elephant when Abraha came to attack the Ka'bah I asked every Muslim in the world today who was it that defended the Ka'bah with such calmness collectivity and an aura of class like Abdul-Mu'talib alaihi salam Abdul-Mu'talib while everyone around him was in a frenzy rightly so when you've got this ridiculously strong army coming with these elephants and they're about to come and destroy what you've prided yourself on all this time and that is that you are the custodians of the Ka'bah naturally people were scared Abdul-Mu'talib said to them listen calm down firstly all of you gather together and supplicate to Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala for Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala when somebody is oppressed the distance between the heavens and the earth is the cry of an oppressed person in Dua'a Quran says Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Raheem wa da'a as-sa'ala ka'iba adihani fa inni qareeb ujibu da'awata da'a yidha da'aani when my servant asks you about me tell them that I am near I answer the supplication of the supplicant when they supplicate towards me when they were attacking the Ka'bah Abdul-Mu'talib when he goes to beat Abraha Abra's like so this guy's Abdul-Mu'talib they're like yes he welcomes him he tells him how can I look after you how can I serve you just said to him listen the flock of my animals I want them back that's it said I'm sorry so you got my animals give them back to me he said I'm about to destroy the Ka'bah and you're telling me you want your animals back how about that Ka'bah he said the Ka'bah has its own protector wow that Iman in Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala is what Abu Talib was raised with by his father Abdul-Mu'talib and that man Abdul-Mu'talib was truly the embodiment of a group of people who are living in Mecca who are known as Hanifs the Hanifs who are a group of monotheists Khadija bin Khwailid Abdul-Mu'talib Abu Talib amongst others who were purely on the belief of Abraham alaihi salam speaking of Abraham how did the Abrahamic covenants play a role in this well the Abrahamic covenants we know very well that Nabi Ibrahim alaihi salam when he left Ismail and his mother Hajar in that vicinity of Mecca that is the beginning of the leadership in the line of Ibrahim alaihi salam a lot of the world talks of leadership when they talk of leadership they normally talk of leadership in the line of Ishaq son of Ibrahim yes so the prophets of the children of Israel are normally seen as those who are from the line of Isaac but no one mentions that wonderful line of Ismail alaihi salam and how Nabi Ibrahim his father had said when his Lord had made him an Imam for the people I am making you an Imam for the people Sura 2 verse 1 2 4 Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala for the concept of imam uses a covenant my covenant of imama that God divinely inspired bestowed sovereignty of leadership will never reach the oppressor Nabi Ibrahim when Allah had made him an imam he could just turn around to God and said thank you God but he said women duriyati how about my offspring Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala in the Quran many times makes it clear I'm not scared about putting leadership in one family yes I've heard many times people throughout the years say to me your belief in Ali Hassan Hussain and the sons of Hussain Ali Ibn al-Hussain Muhammad al-Baqir Jafar al-Salaq and so on alim as-salam your belief in them is a monarchy you guys your imam is a monarchy and God doesn't like monarchies so how about when God chose the line of Ibrahim to have nabua when they all the sons of Ibrahim why don't you say why did God put prophethood in one family why when imama is in one family you're jealous of imama but when nabua was in the sons of Ibrahim you have a problem in Allah astafa Adam Nuh Ali Ibrahim Ali Amran Allah chose Adam Noah the family of Ibrahim why doesn't God give leadership to everybody why only families because God knows where best to put his message of course therefore when Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala told Nabi Ibrahim that he made people like imama Nabi Ibrahim replied women the riyati how about my offspring My ad my covenant of imama will never reach the oppressor because in his line there's people like Abu Lahab they're a volume they're not going to be the ones who look after the religion of Islam but in his line as well are the likes of Abdul Muttalib and Abu Talib and that's why I'm not surprised when you see that Abdul Muttalib has sons like abdulllah and abu talib abdulllah has Muhammad sallallahu alaihi walayh abu talib has Ali Rasul Allah has who Fatima and that beautiful line continues and that's why Muslims around the world you'll find many of them will say Allahumma salli wa sallam wa barik ala Sayyidina Muhammad wa ala Ali hama sallayta ala Ibrahim wa ala Ali or Allah send your blessings upon Muhammad and his family like you sent on Abraham and his family wow you find there for that god had made a covenant and that covenant continued all the way to abdulllah and abu talib and that's why in shia he thought we don't just see abu talib as the uncle of the prophet peace be upon him his family we see him as a custodian of the divine light of abu talib other schools in islam maybe say abu talib good abu talib disbeliever shiazm we don't just look at him oh he's uncle of the prophet Muhammad that means he has to be respected abu lahib is uncle of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him his family but abu lahib died as a disbeliever abu talib is not just a physical or not just someone who's a personality of an arab origin but he is a carrier of the divine light of ibrahim alayhi sallam now we have a question regarding to the ka'bah briefly ali salim he says can you say which who was the one who built the ka'bah first ibrahim or adam no adam is seen as the first to have begun the structure of the ka'bah and then over time there has been different developments of building work and stages in relation to the ka'bah maybe ibrahim notably as mentioned in the holy qaraan as the one who is building the ka'bah with his son ismail alayhi sallam and there's been reconstructed a number of times there have been floods in the time preceding the announcement on the prophet Muhammad peace be upon his family there was a tax on the ka'bah by yazeed son of muawiya when he ordered the ka'bah to be attacked there were periods in the umayyad dynasty where there was a reconstruction of the ka'bah so there's been a number of stages but the origin and the foundations are with nabi adam alayhi sallam now did people at that time do haj people at that time used to perform haj and it was the family of abu talib who are in charge of the protection of the people they're giving out the water but the haj at that time had to be revamped completely when the holy prophet peace be upon his family performed his one and only haj as we know rasul allah sallallahu alayhi wali he only performed one haj that was his farewell and it was the only haj and the time of abu talib and abu talib sadly while abu talib and abu talib were all hanifs all believers in the path of ibrahim alayhi sallam all submitters to god they were slowly the beginning of the pollution of idol worship in meccan society people would come and put their idols some would do tawaaf around the ka'bah naked some used to splush blood of their sacrifices on the ka'bah others used to go around the ka'bah gossiping and backbiting one another and that's why you find in the holy quran whether surat al haj whether for example surat al baqarah whether other places allah subhanahu wa ta'ala tries to guide those group of people who jahiliya ignorance has affected by telling them that i gave you this honor of being the custodians of the ka'bah i gave you the honor of having abraham's lineage there and the remains of the artifacts of ismail buried in the ground and zem zem water and now this is the way you behave in hajj the hajj was like a you know it was like a 40-day affair and people would come from far and wide but now you had loan sharks over there who were charging interest on the money of the people when the people were losing their money and so sadly the hajj had gone far away from the principles of ibrahim alayhi sallam but there was one family and it was a family of light and that was the family of abdel muhtalib abu taalib and abdulllah alayhi sallam now a lot of people wonder when did the relationship between abu taalib and prophet muhammad begin well it's interesting to see that the relationship begins from the day he's born from the day he's born yeah because you know the prophet muhammad is born his father's already dead abdulllah had died while the prophet muhammad peace be upon him his family his mother aminah was still pregnant with him and you find that from the very first days there was an affiliation and a wonderful relationship between the prophet muhammad peace be upon his family even as a toddler with his uncle abu taalib but naturally at the time his mother aminah was looking after him when aminah died you found that abdel muhtalib the grandfather of the prophet muhammad looked after him when abdel muhtalib passed away that's when abu taalib began to look after the holy prophet muhammad peace be upon him his family now there were other uncles who were around but already there was a sense of love from abu taalib and fatima bint asad the beloved wife of abu taalib that lady who gave us the wonderful sons notably jaafar al tayyar notably ali son of abu taalib fatima bint asad as we know is one of the greatest woman in the history of this religion yes a pious believer purest lady you'll find a lady who allah subhanahu wa ta'ala one day would honor by having the ka'bah open so that she gives birth to ali inside the ka'bah abu taalib and fatima bint asad from a young age say we will look after the prophet muhammad peace be upon him his family and so you find this blossoming religion of course later on the prophet muhammad peace be upon his family repays the favor that when arabia is affected now by difficult times he says i'll bring up ali don't worry the way that you bought me up the way that you raised me you find therefore that from that beginning from that young age abu taalib wherever he traveled he take the prophet muhammad with him because there's the famous story about the traveling which you know in those days in the quran allah subhanahu wa ta'ala mentions li ila fi qoraysh ila fihin rahlat al shittai was safe in the winter they'd go towards yemen in the summer they'd go towards syria the arab for merchandise and trade and so on and abu taalib alayhi salam was a businessman as well he had to find a means of income there's no embarrassment there's no embarrassment prophets of god all of them used to work nabi idris was a tailor nabi musa was a shepherd nabi aisa jesus was a carpenter the holy prophet muhammad slowly started to learn the value that worshiping allah subhanahu wa ta'ala also comes through work when he would accompany his uncle abu taalib and we have stories which are presented in the books of history and they're open for discussion but we have stories where people begin to notice that this young man walking with abu taalib is a man who's very different to all those around him and there's this oft mentioned story which the historians give their opinions on but if we were to narrate it and we leave the historians to dissect the reliabilities when they come across the monk on their travels and their sojourns towards syria yes they come across the monk who tells abu taalib i want to invite you and that young man with you to my house tomorrow but make sure he comes with you when he invites him over towards the house he tells abu taalib where's the young man that is over there he said please bring him when he brings him he looks at the young prophet peace be upon him and his family he says to him i ask you by Allah the prophet turns around to him and says do not mention these names for they are the most detested to me they were two of the major names of the koreish how old was he six years of age eight years of age some say eleven twelve years of age if after abu taalib has died a small child young let's say eleven twelve then he says verily this man is the prophet of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala who want who jesus son of mary foretold will come we know in the quran yes nabi issa talks of ahmed coming after him abu taalib says what gave you the signs he said number one the fact that he says that while the most detested number two the mark of prophethood between his shoulders number three when i saw him walk i saw the trees bow down before him when he walked past them and i knew that that is muhammad sallallahu alaihi wa sallam i knew that that is the prophet of god and he said abu taalib protect him for there are people in your land who will want to kill him and who will oppose his message and not believe that he's the final messenger of god so in this young age you find that abu taalib becomes a father figure to the holy prophet peace be upon his family and what many muslims do not know is that the prophet muhammad peace be upon his family is facing already people who want to attack him even before he's announced his prophethood wow many times people assume that the prophet muhammad was only attacked after the age of 40 when he announces his prophethood yes there's an increase in the attacks but the main attacks on the prophet muhammad peace be upon him and his family you will find there is a number of them that occur when he's young because there are people who begin to notice that this person stands out and some are worried that he's gonna announce something in the future which may oppose their teachings and believe you me there was a number of attempts to try and take his life even at a young age and always in his way abu taalib always protecting him abu taalib always a pillar of strength abu taalib my dear brother Ahmad when the holy prophet peace be upon him and his family says that the year which abu taalib died is a year of grief imagine what memories are recollected when he remembers what his uncle did for him now we have a question that a lot of people this person is saying uh there are some from the sunni school of thought believe that the parents of prophet muhammad died as non-muslims how did they come up with this conclusion there are some yes it's true not all some there is a number of our sunni brothers who will adopt qadi abu bakr's famous opinion where he says anyone who tells you the prophet muhammad's parents are disbelievers whip them wow that's from our brothers from the sunnah qadi abu bakr's renowned scholar himself made it clear that whoever says the prophet muhammad's parents are disbelievers whip them now i'm not going to say to the listeners go out and whip people of course there's no need for any whips what i am going to say is that some say well the prophet muhammad would tell people that my father is in hell and your father is in hell we do not accept these traditions at all abdulllah and amina were both of the hanifs believers in the oneness of god and we have numerous traditions from imam al-baqir and imam al-sadab and even in our not only in the quran that you are of those who came from the loins of those who prostrated to god yes but also in some salutations we have in the school of ahl al-bayt when we talk to imam al-khussein i shahadu anna ka kontanouran fil aslaab shamikha wa al-arhaab al-mutahera lam tu nad jisqa al-jahiliya bi anjaseha wa lam tu al-bisqa min mudlahimmati thiyabiha you find therefore that in the school of ahl al-bayt all of us are adamants of the holy prophet peace be upon his family are not just believers but even for my dear brother out there who says to me that you know abu abdulllah and amin are going to burn in hell no problem rasul allah sallallahu alaihi wa ala is the king of shafa'a i'm sure he'll look after mommy and daddy now some may argue that chapter nine verse 113 Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says that the prophet cannot ask for the forgiveness of the mushrikin or mushrik even if that means from his family because we do know that the prophet had some mushrikin within his family but Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala is saying do not ask for forgiveness from those mushrikin from your family how does this apply to abu talib yeah they say that surah nine verse yeah they say surah nine verse 113 is revealed about abu talib alayhi salam وما كان للنبي والذين آمنوا يستغفروا للمشركين ولو كانوا قربا it is not fitting for the prophet and those who believe to ask for forgiveness for the polytheists even if it's their relatives so some of our brothers in other schools in islam not all remember yes some some out there say that this surah nine verse 113 is revealed about abu talib that the prophet muhammad wanted to ask for forgiveness for his uncle and so Allah said it's not fitting for the prophet to ask for forgiveness even if someone's your relative if they're a polytheist abu talib died three years before hijrah this verse was revealed a couple of years before the prophet peace be upon him passed away in the eleventh year after hijrah that means that this verse was revealed at least 12 years after abu talib died what was there an email communication issue with the heavens at that time was wi-fi not working properly what was happening at that time because i see wi-fi is working in halab fantastically these days in twitter accounts everyone's have got brilliant wi-fi from aleppo where they're able to all suddenly tweet straight away and the best of wi-fi so what are you telling me that the heavens at that time did not have good wi-fi because war-torn countries are having magnificent wi-fi but the heavens 12 years later were they in their wi-fi 12 years the connection was bad arakh has good wi-fi but the heavens decides that you know what um just before the prophet muhammad dies let's reveal an eye about abu talib who died 12 13 years before wow this is nothing to do with abu talib but what began to happen in the world of quranic you know exegesis is that every time they can hurry especially those who hate ali that's why they attack him so much i remember the eye in the quran was revealed about walid ibn al-mughira that verse when it was revealed about walid ibn al-mughira the mufaster says don't attack walid too much because his son is khalid so you shouldn't attack him too much because his son was a companion of the prophet muhammad peace be upon his family even though god has attacked walid ibn al-mughira in many other places wow says don't attack walid because walid his father his son is khalid but with ali attack his dad as much as you want wow as in with ali ibn al-mughira attacking him is normal but walid and mufira don't attack because khalid is this so what you don't have any feelings for imam ali but i don't blame you if you don't have feelings for imam ali because it became normal to fight imam ali at jammal and safine and this companion and that companion so on so if you look at the quran you'll find that such eye has got nothing to do with abu talib at all now we see abu talib also being present at the nikah of prophet muhammad and that also links to khadija al-islam so how was khadija well do you look at the nikah of the prophet muhammad peace be upon his family and it highlights to you that firstly those who are pure monotheists who are all believers in one god were now a small community they all knew each other secondly the prophet muhammad peace be upon his family has started to work for khadija and what was her thriving business that she inherited from her father khwalid and her mother fatima thirdly the prophet muhammad peace be upon his family is not going to get a mushrik from qaraysh to read his nikah the prophet muhammad peace be upon his family is not going to get someone who worships idols in qaraysh to read his nikah with khadija he's going to get one of the people who are of the hanifs of course a person who's a believer in one god of course a person who's a believer in the message of abraham and isek and ishmael and david and solemn and moses and jesus because in the whole nikah ceremony those were the words of abu talib abu talib's words when he read the nikah the prophet wasn't just okay do you accept to marry him khadija yes i do prophet qabiltu done okay let's have a meal no there was the fragrance of monotheism which was smelt all around mecca on the day the prophet peace be upon him and his family married khadija and the man the prophet wanted to administer that nikah ceremony was whom abu talib and that's why i'm not surprised when the likes of zaini dahlan and the and barzanji and contemporaries hassan saqqaf or hassan farhan el maliki well there are others even from the maliki school who when they look at hadiths about abu talib they say these hadiths are ahad and we don't take the ahad hadiths when it comes to a conclusion on someone's akida you know the ash-arites and the maturidis and so on they differ between the different theological schools in al-Sunnah wal-jama'a whether ahad traditions are able to constitute certainty for a conclusion in akida if we can say what the ahad are sure you have for you have for example you're looking at certain narrations which have been narrated from a wide variety of angles and they've reached the level of tawatur mind are we all lovely requires its own discussions you've got these traditions that are so many then you've got these one-off traditions that have not reached the levels of tawatur yes so therefore when you're coming towards such traditions our brother al-Sunnah not all of them say abu talib said this believe no you'll find that contemporary scholars of say either let's not go there don't say that abu talib don't do taqfeer on abu talib or others say no abu talib is a believer and if there is a hadith in the sahah about abu talib maybe burning in hell but a punishment which is lighter than everybody else they said these hadiths are ahad they're not to be taken for akida now that requires us to go into the different schools and the theologies the point being what nikah abu talib recited khadija and the holy prophet i remember someone saying well the laws of nikah about someone being a believer all came after the quran was revealed so the prophet muhammad khadija before the quran was revealed therefore it makes no difference it does every moment of the life of the prophet muhammad peace be upon his family is a moment calculated for the future of the religion of islam now hasan ali says what age did khadija get married to prophet muhammad normally people try and say that khadija was 15 years older than the prophet muhammad so they say she was 40 and the prophet muhammad was 25 i tend to go with the opinion that their ages are much closer uh to one another if there is any difference it may be a couple of years maximum now how was she for a source of reform uh within the islamic community oh this lady was was the most magnificent lady you will find um in the history of the rich or islam i'm not surprised that when you know you speak about the four women of heaven it's always mary asia wife of ferro khadija and fauna zahra these four are a different league to any other woman that lived at that time different league all together and you would find that this lady wasn't just a business woman she's one of those ladies who you know today there are many businesses that have pro bono work there are businesses that do charitable projects this was envisaged by khadija the lady who was called a tahera she was pure to the extent that people said this is amir at qoraysh the you know the queen or the princess of qoraysh she used to stand up for the rights of women who knew that their husbands wanted to bury their babies alive because they were females remember we discussed this a few nights ago a few nights ago that we said in arabia was normal to bury your daughter alive because your daughter is a female you would find that khadija the cobra would be the first to be outspoken khadija the cobra would come forward and stay to all the women if any of you are scared that you've given birth you know it's a girl and you know some of these arab men are burying their daughters alive and the quran is saying and the quran will say these were verses that were revealed later way before they were revealed khadija the cobra herself was already saying to the woman any of you need shelter for your newborn baby come knock at my door was this before her marriage after her before before her marriage before as was jahiliya jahiliya is pre islam and its announcement already these people were burying their daughters alive and khadija would say i don't care what type of night it is that's why it will be wonderful when muslims want to talk about islam put prayers and these things on the side and the acts of worship talk of the social work that was instituted by the likes of khadija the cobra aslam try and open a place of shelter for ladies who are domestically abused try and open a place of shelter for the ladies who have nowhere to go and they've given birth try and open place of shelter for women in the world who are being violently treated you know there are some parts of the world where there are incidents and reporting of incidents of rape every hour and there are women with nowhere to go khadija the cobra from the very beginning of this religion why do you think the prophet muhammad peace be upon his family cried in the year that abu talib and khadija the cobra died why do you think he cried because the foundations of islam of not just monotheism but of social islam a real living islam was seen with khadija and i tell you there were moments where her doors would knock early hours of the morning and there'd be a lady who'd come and she said what's in your back to my newborn baby wow she said don't worry keep him here so there was a social aspect to this lady which really is inspirational inshallah for many ladies and gents of the muslim community today now as you mentioned khadija was a business woman and she was one of the more prominent business women uh back then one of the richest um what can she teach us what can we learn from her treatment to her employees i did one thing is she's not stingy believe you me you have you know you got people out there who are muslims believe you me they'll cut costs as much as they can yeah and that's understandable in any business you know project and any business plan but they will see people who'll do work for dirt cheap and they'll make sure that those guys virtually die in the way they treat them say the khadija was known to double the commission of her workers on any good performance do well double do well double not stingy because she knows stinginess is one of the spiritual diseases remember a few nights ago we talked about we have physical diseases in islam but we have spiritual diseases envy arrogance hypocrisy stinginess racism racism all of these are spiritual diseases if ever you want to see say the khadija number one trustworthiness and truthfulness as was her husband and being a sadaq al amin but number two not stingy help them let them build up let them have a chance where they feel that i'm not exploiting them it was a wonderful outlook in the world of business now which were the other ladies either during the time or prior to the time of lady khadija we did mention that lady asya mariam khadija and lady fatem adzara al islam but were there other ladies that were of course there were a few ladies who deserve special mentions asmaa bint umais unbelievable lady asmaa bint umais her life was a dedication to the religion of islam and you know say the khadija in those days when it became difficult because she was the wife of the prophet muhammad peace be upon his time so when he announces his prophet to their certain ladies you know your hinds and your umjamil these are ferocious women yeah you don't want to get on the wrong side of umjamil wife of abu lahab and hind wife of abu sofyan and if they want to gossip they'll make the ladies in the story of a nabi yusuf look like people who are angels now say the khadija has asmaa bint umais asmaa bint umais comes from a renowned family her sisters are married to renowned personalities yet that asmaa khadija relies on her as a backbone sunayya mother of ammar binyasur wonderful lady outstanding the first martyr in the history of the religion of islam a lady who however much she was tortured never gave into the torture of abu jahal and bani makzum when you look at these two ladies you find a third lady um a man who the prophet used to regard as baraka because she looked after him and protected him alima sa'diya another of those monotheists believers in the oneness of god so there were a number of ladies and then the icing on the cake her daughter phatma al-zahra now speaking phatma al-zahra a lot of people mentioned that khadija was married before prophet muhammad sallallahu alaihi wa sallam now i'll let you talk about that and did they also have other children than phatma al-zahra yeah so there's an opinion that she was twice widowed or she was twice married before we don't take that as a unanimous opinion the school of ahl al-bayt we believe that her first husband and only husband is the holy prophet muhammad peace be upon his family that's for the question of the number of children they had the ulama differ on this in their debates some of them say the only daughter and the only child of the of the prophet peace be upon his family of course who continued to live because they had boys who died in infancy yes you know when we hear about qasem and ibrahim and tahr and so on we hear these names these are khadija's son yes rasulallah sallallahu alaihi wa sallam was was was insulted by the arabs who kept on saying inna shaniyaka who al-abtar yeah who you were calling him abtar they were calling him abtar abtar abtar the an animal if its tail is cut off that's abtar so these guys were calling especially al-as bin wa'il amr's father amr ibn al-as his father would shout abtar abtar you whose line is cut off because the boy the infant boys would die and Allah says inna atay naqal kawthar kawthar we have given you abundance and fatima and her progeny is the abundance others say the prophet muhammad peace be upon his family had other daughters such as ruqaya and zaynab and umkul thum there is discussion from either side some who've tried to say those aren't his daughters those are the daughters of khadija sista hala but we have traditions which say that those were the daughters what suffice for us to know that that has no effect on the greatness of fatima zahra alaihi as-salam and fatima zahra is the one who survives him now the prophet uh all they have like you know we have the sheqb of abu talib and you have the economic sanctions uh that was going on that was placed on the prophet's house yes i mean can you can you talk about that when the prophet muhammad peace be upon his family this is now designated to announce the message of the religion of islam he is now the prophet of god he has come with the message of the abrahamic prophets who have come before him this course is uproar yes listen your abu jahal these were aristocrats they were running a society who they made believe that they were worshipers of idols like them but in many cases they weren't even worshiping anything wow idol worship subjugate the poor make them believe that these idols which you carve out of stone can do things for them the arabs used to love their idols you know they take istikhara with their idols yeah they put like a piece of they put like a bowl there put three yeah put three piece of papers if i'll not if i'll and for example like what's up we have an istikhara and the arabs would actually believe you me the arabs would actually take istikhara with this idol and you'd find also they'd go and feed the idols you know zaafaran saffron yeah they'd go and put zaafaran there and you know the flies would love that the flies would come and steal all the zaafaran wow and you imagine a man suddenly rises who says no more say god is one needless yes neither begets nor is bogotum and there is none like him a man who comes and tells them that these idols that you worship can neither harm your benefit a man who's reminding them you claim to know nabib raheem because you look after the kaaba he smashed the idols now you should do the same you're messing with us now muhammad you'll see what we'll do to you first thing torture his companions bilal ammar ben yasir others second thing no we'll kill the new muslims sumaya ammar ben yasir third thing we'll force the muslims to migrate out of here jaafar al tayyab and his wife esmar ben tomeis have to migrate to abyssinia fourth thing when you want to really hurt a country put sanctions on them so the whole world is trading with each other but won't trade with you wow look anywhere in the world when one country wants to destroy another put economic sanctions on them i don't care if your kids are gonna starve to death you're gonna put economic sanctions on you i don't care if you can't produce if you can't trade economic sanctions on you when they started to put these economic sanctions abut talib and khadija as the backbones of this religion emerged and that's why i always say name your children khadija name your children abut talib today i hear i hear some names i don't even know where they've come from like it sounds like a name someone bought out of a lullaby in disney or something you know bring your bring up your children when you look at your daughter you're like you know what she reminds me of that khadija who sacrificed everything in the shahab of abut talib or when i look at my son and call him abut talib abut talib this reminds me or name ali or jaafar or aqeel this reminds me of abut talib alayhi salam abut talib had a valley it was known as shahab abut talib said you know what all of you come to my valley you know sometimes when muslims are persecuted even if muslims own good amount of land you'll find the person will say well you know i still need to make money from my land and so on abut talib said don't worry come and stay in my land khadija a woman of wealth would make sure that everyone can eat she'll live on eating the grass or the weeds on the ground you know a few nights ago when people asked me about hijab i remember someone said how can i persuade myself to encourage myself to wear the hijab i say everybody has an ismail in their life nabi ibrahim's ismail was his son how ismail is the hijab someone's ismail someone's sacrifice may be the hijab something that you don't want to do but if it pleases Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala then you do it for the love of the lord khadija doesn't want to be eating grass or weeds while others are eating what they can eat in those difficult economic sanctions but you know what if it keeps the message of islam alive and ensures that Allah's light continues to grow be it that was her ismail yes everyone has an ismail everyone has a moment where they ask themselves how much are they willing to sacrifice for the love of god something which in any other time they would not do but because it's for god they do it yes believe you me she sacrificed so much and abut talib you know what he was saying at that time ali sleep in the bed of your prophet i'd rather see you dead than your prophet alive look at that sacrifice how then do you call this man a disbeliever wow how do you call this believer i've heard so many lectures on abut talib they say good man you know good by the end they didn't become muslim how do you call him a disbeliever khadija that lady of wealth in arabia ends up dying without having a kafan me and you who've done nothing for the religion will die with a kafan on our body say the khadija no kafan wow and she asked asmaa bint umais asked fadma zahran if i don't have a kafan let the prophet his cloak let it be placed on my body Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala you think he'd let khadija go passing away with that Allah orders jibra'i take a kafan for khadija wow that lady who had the whole of this world in her hands and there are many out there their parents are wealthy they're wealthy best cars best houses best everything but there's a moment when you have this ismaeel moment how much am i willing to sacrifice for the love of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala not for myself and believe you me that lady do you know how many tears came trickling from the eyes of the prophet peace be upon his family when you had to bury khadija and one thing he thought to himself how will fadma be on the day that she's married every woman wants her mom with her wow and fadma zahran when her mom died was five she was often at five subhanallah how much sacrifice this lady and that's why rasulullah never would forget her always where's hala the sister of khadija go and give something to her give something to hala's children look after them haisha one day go angry why you always mentioned the old lady why because she believed in me when no one else did wow she trusted me when no one else did and she gave me fadma no other wife gave me no other wife name me the wives um salama um habiba haisha hafsa zaynab name me the wise maria al qubtia none of them gave a child who remained alive and left such a legacy in this religion like khadija when she gave fadma hmm now this is why laspanta a la or as it's known uh by prophet muhammad if it wasn't for the piety of abu taalib the wealth of khadija and the sort of ibn taalib islam would not have continued and perfectly you mentioned right there how khadija and abu taalib contribute together to the success of islam but we have to take a short break and we'll continue after the short break in shawl say no so respective viewers do stay tuned for you'll be presented with a short break live footage from the holy shrine of the moon of bani hasham abal fadda la abba space and blessings be upon him after that uh we have promise for every night general quranay but tonight we will not have them because we have dedicated to the london incidents yesterday and inshallah we'll be joined by a brother from london so do stay tuned for that after the break respective viewers welcome back hoping inshallah enjoyed that short report and do take the opportunity in these reports to send your salutations upon the moon of bani hasham and but now we are joined with mustafha field one of the most uh prominent inshallah so uh he will be on the line soon mustafha field uh one of the leading uh muslim people in the community uh in london uh but sayedna we continue our discussion until we get mustafha field uh on the phone yesterday uh an incident happened yes where a lot of people are beginning to be scared and scared because things are changing now we're going from bombs someone running out of a car with machetes someone you know running over people on the side road what's going on well i spoke about this in my lecture on isis a few years ago i spoke about this last moharam and i made it clear that sadly with the type of rhetoric type of literature we have in some of our mosques in the uk do not be surprised of people being indoctrinated it's not the only factor but it's one of the major factors and we'll come to discuss the wahabi salafi ideology inshallah and its spread and its tentacles and what it teaches inshallah and the forthcoming shows but our prayers are with the people and we hope the people realize that these are never the teachings of the religion of islam and let the people also realize in london that we the followers of ahl al-bayt are the victims of the horrors and the attitude and the atrocities and the violence of these very people we who are muslims are victims of these people's terror we are sometimes a person thinks these people are only fighting non-muslims we are victims of their terror yes and so i pray for their families now well we do have musterha field a prominent figure within the islamic community in london salamun aleykum wa aleyhi salam how are you brother i'm very well brother if we can get just the volume a little bit higher yes brother um what's the latest news there how are muslims being treated in in london in uk i think we are facing a very difficult time firstly you know our heart goes to the victims and their families this is really a a brutal and cowardly attack we see daesh and their similar ideal of how they've you know committed crimes we saw in iraq and qabo in egypt just this week in the holy month of ramabad a month that sacred to all muslims a month that we should not be um you know fighting we look at the month of peace and a month of you know reflection and contemplation and we are seeing many muslims who are very concerned about the rise of hate crime and islamophobia but we need to also respond to this evil ideology and and and challenges because we know where the source is from and it's it's corrupting the mind of many vulnerable young muslims yes now say i'm not a few years ago mentioned in his lecture on isis uh that the attacks because of the literature which indoctricates youth and makes them you know more fearful now what do you think about that i think uh it's very important that muslim youth are are able to learn to differ in opinions and and understand it it's critical that we're exposed to critical thinking uh in particular uh our brothers and ahli sunnah struggle with uh living with others and minorities and this is a challenge amongst a fringe within ahli sunnah but they have a very strong propaganda machine well funded that is you know attracting their youth and and much of this radicalization is not taking place uh in the mosque but all online and there's very little that's been done to tackle this in that sphere yes now what has the shia community done in london uh and about these attacks i was there today with many of the shia youth uh to stand in solidarity with the londonists in this difficult time but also to represent the true teachings of islam that islam is a religion of peace in islam you know we we are a religion that promotes tolerance and you know service and caring especially in the month of ramadan our humanity comes out very strongly this is a month that we should be bringing peace but we see groups like daesh and many other groups that we see in syria who are committing horrific crimes in the name of islam an insult to the safety teachings in the quran and and you know the prophetic teachings yes now since you mentioned daesh and and and the view that they have uh the people view have uh of daesh and isis a lot of people a lot of sisters when they go wearing the hijab a lot of people would tend to you know be fearful from them not talk to them so what advice do you give the sisters who are wearing hijab and and walk on in london i think we have a duty to reach out to our non-muslim neighbors to share with them invite them into our mosques we should engage with them and share with them the true teachings of islam and also show to them that we are the biggest victim of ideologies like daesh this ideology has murdered hundreds of thousands of muslims uh and and particular followers of the himbe to spread their their hatred and and to establish their distorted understanding of an islamic state now keeping in mind that right now is is election time uh in in london now how does this affect the elections the the the recent british elections does it affect in a positive or a negative way i think it's a challenge because election times everyone's going to be looked for gaining critical points in this time and much of the rhetoric is not of understanding and you know people feel tired of these attacks on on on on on european soil in britain and there's a real fear that our way of life is changing and people are exhausted from it and so unfortunately uh as well as the himbe we all you know we are identified as muslims and we will fall we will be victim to some of the policy developed to address this radicalization and what we really need to do is confront the teachings that have corrupted the mind of the youth but also enlighten them with the true teachings of tolerance that we find in islam we need to step up a shield to preserve the real true teachings of islam and make sure that our voice is is strong and loud and clear in british society often the shia because of our oppression and many parts of the muslim world we don't speak up we don't reach out we need to open up our community we need to engage we need to be at the center of civil society in the center of building bridges across different communities in different places now i could agree with you more on on the point she mentioned of reformation and confronting the false teachings of the people who want to you know just hijack the religion of islam say what would you like to say to to mustaf field well all i would say you know mustaf and his team have always worked tirelessly to try and ensure that the message of tolerance the message of peaceful coexistence which are all within the text of islam we're not we're not using frames of reference and terminologies the outside the religion and then they the quran is telling us you know for example call your ahl al-kitab ta'ala wa ila kalimatin sawaan bayna nawa baynakum come o people of the book to a joint word between us and you the quran is also telling us that you know yeah you have nasa nakalak nakum in the current one that we created you from different races in different tribes so that you get to know one another this is a very important period i'm sure you know mustaf i could add a couple points here it's a very important period for interfaith and intrafaith dialogue exactly you know we have to try as much as possible there are many open-minded brothers and sisters from all the schools of islam we all have to unite with one stand to not only engage in dialogue with people of other religions but also amongst ourselves where we get to learn more about our heritage and certainly try our hardest to remove and to try our hardest to let the world know about how this ideology the wahhabi selfish ideology is an ideology that is destroying the very fabric of the religion how many youths have been indoctrinated by it how many families have been broken by it how many atrocities and genocides have been committed because of it not just today but in the last couple of hundred years now mr muslim afield now how would you like to add to the points of say ammar when he said the intrafaith and and the interfaith dialogues between muslims and non-muslims we have many allies amongst the muslim community we have many who who who will appreciate the teachings of ahl al bayt we need to be firm components of encouraging and promoting the reading of the teachings of ahl al bayt the correct teachings of islam how the proper to see upon them a a a light of mercy on mankind how he responded to difficult times we need to learn from how ahl al bayt often who lived under oppression difficult times responded to these tragedies and and widened the knowledge of islam where the you know were like lights of knowledge in terms of bringing people through intellectual dialogue through intellectual um workshops and and and reading and and this is something that's really critical this is something that's always been the approach of the ahl al bayt we have never been a religion we've never promoted violence to adopt ideas our way of spreading our teachings has always been through dialogue and sharing and reflecting on the different texts we are always willing to listen and sit down with our Sunni brothers with our Christians this is how to share the teaching and bring each other to learn from one another it's very important that our mosques we reach out and and promote the teachings we have many friends amongst the Sufis who have admiration to the ahl al bayt and we need to show them why the fellowship of the ahl al bayt is critical to having a full understanding and application of islam yes yes thank you very much brother muslim afild a prominent figure from the muslim community in london uk we do thank you for joining us and hopefully we can continue the discussion uh in uh night's parakellafi may Allah bless you all and bless the followers of afild day thank you thank you very much for joining us tonight now now sayedna we do have a minute or so uh to the end of the show now muslim afild mentioned a few valid points uh if not a lot of valid points now he mentioned something about the reform that we should you know take as as muslims and it's it's it's an obligatory upon the muslims to do that and to confront the teachings of those who really try to deviate the muslims and bring in new teachings within the religion now we do have a minute if you can just uh briefly talk about that you know that the spiritual ethical dimension of the school of ahl al bayt is something unique yes we have to focus as much on that as possible in this day and age exactly that i advise myself before i advise others that when we focus on spirituality we focus on ethics you'll see the true teachings of ahl al bayt yes we'll be teachings that cannot be equaled by any other school in the religion of islam and it can be the cause of bringing communities together inshallah inshallah and now the onus is on all of us to educate ourselves of course with the teachings of ahl al bayt aleyms salam and this is a period where we need to use the wisdom as mustafa rightly pointed out of the ahl al bayt aleyms salam when facing oppression when facing situations like this stand together unite with one another inshallah people will realize the true image of the religion of islam as espoused by the teachings of the imams of ahl al bayt inshallah inshallah say thank you very much for joining us tonight hopefully we can continue discussion now our condolences to the muslim we do we do we condol everyone uh you know across the world because really it affects every single human being out there you know if a bomb happens or god forbid somewhere around the world we are affected by it because we are all human beings who should live in harmony we do like to thank you very much for joining us tonight as well as you say adna so do stay tuned for the upcoming episodes and if you didn't get the chance to view this episode or the previous episode you can view our youtube channel at imam hossain 3 tv or just refresh the facebook page and you'll see the recording go back uh up on our facebook page so thank you very much for tuning in waslamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh sayyid