 Hey everybody I'm back in a beautiful sunny New York City happy to be here and I'm here all week on today's show We have a very good friend a Packers great and a guy talks Aaron Rodgers more than even says he talks Aaron Rodgers We will have James Jones on the show here What does he know when is that happening and we will check in on Green Bay side of things with a good friend of our show Named Matt Schneidman. He's the Packers beat writer for the athletic. He does excellent work. It's up in Adams It's in New York. I'm going to a next game starts now of the sweet sweet waiting game I didn't even get the the old internet on the plane on the flight over here from Los Angeles to New York I thought maybe if I'm not on my phone or looking at my phone Maybe that's when the Aaron Rodgers trade to the Jets officially happens. They must be close. That's my energy about it I said last week that I think they're a little far apart Potentially there's a lot of leverage on both sides They're fine and then you're seeing some of these things trickle out about what they want what they want who's got their You know their feet dug in more But I would imagine where we sit right now. They're close It's tiki-taki and Aaron's ready to be sent in court side at Nick's games and At Barclays and I can't even imagine just the fun in the fodder for these back pages and and the page sixes And the TMZ's and everything when he's in the city. So a lot of fun there James Jones Will probably know a lot more about what's going on didn't James Jones call that Derek Derek Carr would be a saint On this very show. He also called the Packers and win the Super Bowl So, you know, you never know what you're gonna get but that coin flip is coming right your way right here on the show So he'll give his insights. You know, who has not been moved yet either DeAndre Hopkins my old friend Paging Balmela check on line one. Yes, you got juju you got kaseki. Those are not number ones and Dehop did follow Mac Jones on socials. So I'm still holding out hope It's true New England Twitter told me that I'm very happy to be here You're like, why do you keep looking this way? Hamilton is in the building calls her slide. Oh, that was weak. Oh, no, try it. Calls her slide. That was not very graceful Grace being graceful is not one of my strengths. Oh boy. Here we go So you're here. It's good to see you in the flesh in our little situation here March Madness all weekend. I see yeah I don't I don't know if I really want to talk about it right now Saturday was a rough day for the Missouri That was uh, yeah, it was a bad showing. Yeah, it was it was rough They got beat up a little bit by Princeton John Rothstein comes on our show. Yeah, he talks about Purdue Like they're the the for a Purdue, right? Yeah, like they're the best team that's ever another one seed Right, and he was really pushing them hard and then I'm watching them get get got. Yeah. What happened? Probably the biggest upset and see double a tournament history. It was it was stunning Yeah, so he's gonna be on our show this week. When did you get it tomorrow? So we will have some questions. What do we even do? I mean, but nobody saw that coming right? I'm sure no, but I mean I'm sure somebody saw coming and then let everyone in the world on Twitter and to talk about it I'm sure. I don't know. They said there's no perfect brackets left. Um, guess what? Oh, they're really? Yeah Everybody's done we I didn't fill one out. Oh We're Going to have to talk about the next a little bit tomorrow. I hope we can get shams maybe on tomorrow I'm going to a next game tonight. I'm actually going this time last time. I was here. I said I was going I talked a big game And did not go. I just didn't feel like leaving the house Timberwolves. Yeah, I It's the Timberwolves. Yeah, that's not like a hockey team to me. The Timberwolves are who they're playing Does David Lee still play here? Anthony Mason, I don't know who any of these players are so I'm gonna learn them tonight What do I need anything I need to know? I mean the Knicks are on fire right now. They just beat the Nuggets yesterday. That was a huge win for them They're owned by the Cronkies now. They're tied back back to Mizzou. There you go But yeah, they're they've taken over the city, you know Kyrie and Katie are gone It's it's a Knicks town again now Aaron Rogers is like hold on three seconds And then I'll be the king of this city and one don't talk about the Knicks. Okay, so we've got that going on We'll have a fun show here. Okay. Let's Collins. We'll slide you out of here. See ya Hamilton. Love ya And let's talk about a couple of teams. So yeah, so there's a couple There's hundreds of free agents that have signed we're still waiting on some of these bigger names to get moved But there's a lot of teams and individuals and things that are pointing in the right direction So let's dig into some of those that caught my eye and Hamilton's eyes to put the show together So we're gonna start with the Cowboys, you know Anybody on the phone network our friend Craig Jermaine is like out of girls start the show with the Cowboys Last season I talked a lot about how much this team missed one Amari Cooper They didn't have a consistent threat in the receiving game outside of CD lamb yesterday They go out and they get the archer that's right Brandon cooks minimal return for him by the way And it's hard to believe because this is about to be his ninth NFL season, but he's still under 30 He's 29 plenty of good football left in him Brandon cooks isn't getting jet lagged on that flight from from LA to New York Me I showed up last night. I will clock. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone I've got fog in my eyes not Brandon cooks. He's a young buck and he is finally a nice little threat to take the top off The defense and that is absolutely vital, but it's not just that move that I'm excited about when it comes to all things Cowboys Take a look here. They also made this aggressive move to land former defensive player of the year Stephon Gilmore quiet but could be lethal this was a trade with the Colts under the radar I feel like a little bit and it gives them one of the best cornerback tandems in the league And how about the rise of the corner tandems this season? We got to get into that There's some juicy ones they franchise Tony Pollard. They bring back key pieces like Donovan Wilson Layton van der Roche and Cooper rush as well They still have some big things to figure out And I don't believe them like I don't believe they can get it done at least not yet I mean it's Dalton Schultz. Is he coming back? He's still on the market. Who fills the Zeke role I'm guessing we probably turn to the draft there and see what happens regardless though aggressiveness Creativity lands in a couple of star players even with a ton of cap space And you know when you mix in the fact that the Eagles lose a lot so many people a hit after hit You know with coaching and players the Cowboys are trending in the right direction. I'm trying to figure out Hamilton What is that moment that I'll be sold on them like nobody will even the Bengals because they hadn't done it And then I'm like, but they're loaded, but they're kind of loaded But I need a little something extra Joe Burroughs the reason I picked the Bengals I feel like we're not gonna know until playoff time. It's still that's still gonna be there Yeah There we go, he's and me appreciate it. Thank you sirushi for always having my back Let's go with the next big winner in this offseason so far This is just one of those people who's almost obnoxiously blessed That's just what it is even when things don't go according to plan They always have a way of working out for this guy and I'm talking about Jimmy Garoppolo the looks the demeanor the Super Bowl ring the learning from Tom Brady all of it What if he do signs a three-year deal with the Raiders worth up to seventy two point five million look at that smile Are you kidding me pure joy pure joy and I'm happy for him and after everything he has been through It hasn't all been you know cupcakes and Super Bowl championship parties with you know Who did that party not DJ Khaled We're cross It's not just Ricky Rose and Rose now he gets to be in Vegas Can you imagine him unleashed in Vegas given some of those funny rumors about him years ago pictures? Yeah, it's gonna be great Remember at this time last year Jimmy did have some adversity Jimmy had shoulder surgery All the talk was about the Niners trading Jimmy He was moved off the depth chart Entirely then he takes a pay cut to stay with the team ends up becoming the starter after the Trelandt's injury starts to craft The ultimate redemption story only to have a cut short by another injury So this is a pretty Craptastic year for him. It was devastating and a contract year with concerns No one's gonna be willing to give him a multi-year deal given that injury history and his availability Which is a fair judgment, but he found a perfect partner He reunites with the devisored one Josh McDonald's they're dappling each other up in that beautiful I was just in Vegas. I saw it's so beautiful. It's just like it's the Jimmy Garoppolo of stadiums You drive by and you're like, yeah, it's a perfect fit. It's perfect Okay, he already I wrote on there on their Twitter Like I love this for you to the Raiders when they were signing and everyone thought I was talking to Jimmy And then I was shooting my shot at Jimmy. I'm like, no, I love this for you Raiders and that's just a funny line Anyway, he's gonna fit in seamlessly gets to throw to Devonte Adams. He inherits Jacobi Myers They've got the leagues leading rusher from last year to Josh Jacobs in the backfield And if he plays out this deal his career earnings Over 200 million it's not fair over 200 million by the time he hits 34 years old that is a Matthew Stafford stuff Oh, yeah, and he hasn't won it as super well as a starter. We'll see what he can do any really tough division It's good to be Jimmy and last but not least, uh, I love the Dolphins fan base haven't spoken or addressed them for a while Let's give some love to Chris queer. This is their GM January 2022, let's go back a tumultuous 2021 season entirely his job on the line It's reportedly in jeopardy the team decides to move on from beef flow. They keep Greer and That didn't take him off the hot seat The narrative is changing though really rapidly between Mike McDaniel that hire the Tyree kill a trade bringing him in the playoff Appearance by the Dolphins of course doesn't hurt and Chris Greer started transforming the perception of how we look at the Dolphins And we look at this organization in 2022 and what a comeuppance for this whole division going into 2023 unbelievable turnaround But it's following into this offseason You bring in this huge splashy trade of Jalen Ramsey you land the star corner trying to revamp the 24 ranks defense that I Have been trying to tell people about this is what you need to fix and Dolphins fans. No Dolphins fans. No Let's not talk about to that's where they get so annoyed stop talking about our offense It's our defense that needs help outside of that there weren't a ton of headline grabbing moves But Greer really made smart signings to fill out the roster. He lands tight and second leading tackler David long That was a huge big-time value. He steals fan favorite Mike white away from the Jets. That's a guy a player's guy people like him He's a solid backup in a position that you know Needs to be settled and have depth that was plagued last season and they brought back running backs Jeff bulls and junior Raheem Moser on team friendly deals He also exercised to his fifth year option just this morning hot off the presses here on the east coast So I know they're probably you know They're gonna have to deal with Aaron Rodgers in the mix and it's gonna be hard to maybe get super excited about what Greer Has going for this year in Miami, but they are building and they are contending and if they can avoid the injury bug alone this season What is the ceiling for the Miami Dolphins? And maybe it is is it as far as to what can take them is it you know, I don't know There's something special going on there with that coach that we need to figure out. I'd like them to look at a run another running back Austin anyone no I Would like them to have Austin Echler. I know that they have but like the depth of that position I don't know what Austin's looking for When you look at them last year if two it doesn't get hurt You know that the way they played that bills came the way the defense stuff up the way everybody played in that But if they have two in that game, they probably take down the bills And who knows what happens, but it's a missus time Then you have somebody who at least in this crazy world of these buildings back me in the back of me in the media And all the scrutiny who stepped up and and rallied and looked awesome out there and looked like an NFL quarterbacks Like you at least have that as a back when I look at stuff like even Green Bay I'm waiting for James Jones to come on. They're trusting Jordan Love You know, but you never really know If a player can stay on the field be available stay healthy until you roll them out there That's like especially with these books you need to have a great backup plan in place I don't know Green Bay's planning on that. Do you like what are they gonna do? Yeah, that's a good question too because that we don't know we just we we can say we know what Jordan Love is We don't know what he is how available he can be in such a huge part of the quarterback position That's true. Yeah, that's that came from a very savvy Packers fan who brought him that point up to me In a little bit, okay We're gonna take a short break here because we are going to have former Green Bay Packers wide receiver James Jones on the show We'll talk a little Jimmy G. Maybe we'll definitely get I want to FaceTime Aaron. That's all I want to do James Get on my He's got the dance moves our first guest today played wide receiver for nine seasons in the NFL eight of those with the Green Bay Packers and Aaron Rogers, that's where he became a Super Bowl champion traveling the world James Jones You are a hard man to track down and get a hold of Yeah, I've been all over the place. I've been moving, you know, just just just hanging trying to stay moving man. You know how I go I Do I was just in Vegas on Friday, and I I had never driven by the Raiders stadium there It is so beautiful and electric and magnetic and I can't wait to take a game It what's the vibe there on the organization that you work so closely with? Oh Man, I mean they're excited. I mean you you know, they they got they guy and Jimmy G Who understands the offense really really well has been with coach McDaniels They brought in a couple guys that can play on the outside, you know, and Jacobi Myers and door set You got a guy that could run another guy that's gonna be a really good compliment to Devontae Adams and Jacobi Berset And both of them been in this playbook before so they're walking into the building Automatically knowing a I know these checks. I know this play. I know all this and they could just hit the ground running So I think they're off to a really good start. I think they're excited about it I think this team will be a good football team coming in here But just going into the draft They got a bang the head on the defense and try to get some guys in there on that defensive end to be able to help mad Max You know that team so well all things considered is Jimmy Garoppolo an upgrade on Derek Carr Whoo, that's that's a tough question. I mean I wouldn't say he's an upgrade on Derek Carr You know, I'm everybody knows how high I'm on Derek Carr And that does not mean Jimmy Garoppolo cannot play because we've seen Jimmy Garoppolo take the San Francisco 49ers to NFC Championship after NFC Championship So I think the main thing out of this thing is Jimmy G is capable of winning football games Jimmy G is a winner. You hear everybody talk about that. You can say whatever you want to say about Jimmy G Well, he had this defense. Well, he had that you can say whatever you want The guy wins and I think that's the main thing that the Raiders looked at is a we got a guy under center That is capable of winning football games and he doesn't have to do it by itself because he has big-time Playmakers on that offense aside for the ball and Josh Jacobs and Hunter Renfrow Obviously Devontae Adams and you just plugged in Jacobi Myers and Dorsett So he's in good hands with what he has over there and we all know that he's capable of winning football games It's really well said James. You're wearing the Packers hat. How surprised are you? I remember I talked to you a long is this a while ago before all this sort of sort of sort of started going on and You never know what's going to happen, but you know, I thought he's gonna retire or sit out a year or Leave the Packers you thought retire sit out or stay with the Packers. He's do you know, he's going to the Jets It's gonna happen. How surprised are you and what are your thoughts on it? I'm not surprised, but I'm hurt You know, um, you know when I talked to him in the offseason, you know He you know, like I said, it was all it was all Green Bay talk because I was telling them Hey man, you know, I mean go ahead get you one more in Green Bay with a chance to go You know swing at this championship run again because I feel like Green Bay You know has everything he needs over there to swing out another championship Obviously, you're gonna be able to add some pieces of free agency and the draft but I feel like they're built the right way and You know, he just sitting there talking to me and he was like man to be honest with you I don't know if I don't know if that's that If that is their plan, you know, if they if they want me to be back back So, you know, when he said that I'm like, oh shoot, you know, we We probably could be exiting out of that building and going somewhere else, you know But I just told him you're not done period You know, so all this talk are you thinking about retiring and all that and I ain't saying I changed his mind But I just said no, you're not done. You got a lot of football left in you We want to see you throw this thing all over the yard and go out there and compete the NFL is better When Aaron Rodgers is in a uniform and playing quarterback in the national football league So for me, I'm like, man, I don't care where it is I just want to see my brother play and spin it because I mean the world loves watching you play man It's been the ball over the yard. So don't even think about retiring Does that mean you'll be wearing a Jets hat at some points that kind of sounds like it You know, Aaron Rodgers is my brother from another mother. You know what I mean, but zero jets hats will be worn by me I will not have a jet a jet's head all night saying I won't have him send me autograph here Rodgers jet jersey and put it in the house or something, but me wearing Jets gear Not having a case Did he you know, he had his wish list I was joking with you on Twitter that you know, don't you even think about it James What do you make of you know, here here's The way I look at it and I'm this is not a question that I had planned to ask you You thought he'd stay in Green Bay a lot of people but you wouldn't stay in Green Bay or have that thought you know him If you were miserable, there's so many people out there on Twitter on their keyboards who think he's unhappy with He was unhappy in his time in Green Bay, and I know it wasn't perfect But it wasn't like that bad right can you give just some insight into that like it's not like it was the worst Situation but it's curious to me that he wants to win a Super Bowl because it seems like going to the Jets is a much Harder path to winning one than he has in the NFC You know, it's really crazy that you know people even start that narrative that you know He was miserable in Green Bay now. Do we all think do we all know that amen? It was times where he was like hey, you know to we need some help go get some receivers and all that type stuff Yeah, everybody's trying to win everybody's trying to upgrade the roster But my eight years in Green Bay that I spent with Aaron Rodgers I mean we had the time of our lives, you know what I mean and then even the time that I wasn't there the times That I came up there. I mean you you heard him Day in and day out talk about man, this is the funnest I've ever had playing football You know being around the guys being around these guys and you know in the team since the coach since coach the floor got there I mean the relationship has been phenomenal with him and Aaron Rodgers So, you know for people to say miserable I think Aaron Rodgers has really enjoyed his time in Green Bay. He loved all his teammates out there He loved everybody he worked with out there in Green Bay. Is it a business? Are you trying to win? Are you gonna have you know ups and downs with the organization? Absolutely when you've been there for so long you're gonna have that but I truly believe that Aaron Rodgers had the time It was like in Green Bay, especially when I was there and even just hearing him talk and talking to him and just knowing How he feels about his teammates in that organization. So I don't get in all that stuff miserable and all that I think Aaron Rodgers did what he had to do. I think he enjoyed his time in Green Bay And I just think now hey, you know both sides is a it's time to go It's time to go it certainly makes sense now it how will he handle the task at hand which is something that he only really did I mean he came in Brett Farve left. He took over. He was there for a bit of ready He got his feet warm. This is sort of a different situation when you played with him He was a leader, but he was a younger leader now. He's you know in his own words. I think he'd say he's enlightened I think he handles things differently than he did when he started his career How do you attack going into a place with so much young talent with your breeze hauls and your Garrett Wilson? Like what kind of a leader do you think he'll be would you think he'll come in and and Take everybody to lunch or they all go in to see a Broadway show together or is it lead by example? Is he is he going to be quiet in the locker room? How's it gonna be? Well, number one is gonna be lead by example, you know and Rodgers when he steps in that locker room number one He's already gonna be the leader of the ballclub, you know what he's done in the national football league everything that the Jets Players and coaches have done to get Aaron Rodgers in that building They believe that they could win a championship with Aaron Rodgers. He's walking in there And he's gonna be the leader of the ballclub, but me being around Aaron Rodgers He is going to lead by example for sure. He's gonna let these guys know this is the way we practice This is how we do things, you know, and the guys are gonna start embracing that and then once you get in the Film room. He always talks. He's always speaking up. He's always trying to get better in the film You walk across him in the locker room. He's trying to get better in the locker room Hey, man, you know what you got on this check? Hey, you know how you getting in and out of this break on this So, you know, he will be a vocal leader But he is going to be a guy that leads by example and you better believe them Them young dudes will jump on board because they know the type of player he is they know the type of guy He is on that football field and I think he's gonna be a really good dude man locker room for the New York Jets So how lucky is Garrett Wilson tell him how lucky is Man, he is blessed. I tell people all the time, you know, I probably wouldn't be sitting on this show talk a talk of decay If it wasn't for Aaron Rodgers, but you know, you you you're never covered you are you are truly never covered I don't care if it's the Jalen Ramleys. I don't care if it's the Patrick Peterson's I don't care if it's the Jarrell revises. I don't care who you're going up against now You know, you got young Garrett Wilson going up against the today White's and you know the the Trayvon digs and all that but playing with Aaron Rodgers young fella You are never covered. Even if the DB is in great position He is gonna put the ball to where only you can get it It is going to be opportunities that you're gonna get on that football field that you never thought that she was Gonna get with any quarterback because Aaron Rodgers to make all them throws. So, you know, if he stays healthy and Obviously playing at a high level. He will be a pro ball all pro receiver with Aaron Rodgers under that center You better believe him. He's amazing. He's amazing. He's entering a sophomore year So like I'm expecting a bit of a leap though rookies are coming out the gates and killing it like he did like Chris Olavi did Give me this is your face just lit up about it So give me the piece of advice like if you're time Garrett Wilson fan of the show front of the show I fell in love with this kid. I'm a huge fan. Give him your true best piece of advice when handling Creating chemistry with this quarterback Asked questions asked questions. You can never ask Aaron Rodgers enough questions and that's in practice. That's in the games Asked question. That's in the film room asked questions, right? If you see 12. Hey, man, you look at you looked at me that way, man What does that mean? You know, you see how I got it in out of my break on that Do you like that? Do you know I mean if we get this certain look on the defense if they roll the cover to how you want Me to run this route, you know, and it'll change weekly Aaron will be like hey this week. I want you to do it like this next week I want you to do it like this But ask questions you can never ask Aaron Rodgers enough questions and if you do that I did that as a very young player. Hey, man, how you want me to run this route in this look, you know Hey, when you look at me twice, what does that mean? You know? So ask questions because if you get on the same page with Aaron and you can know what he's thinking before he's thinking it That equals all pro that equals big-time money that equals Jets winning and that equals everybody You're not on TV because of Aaron Rodgers you're on TV because you're amazing on TV and you give that kind of insights That's first of all second of all, listen We had we had Megatron on the show last week and we looked up Hamilton and I his last game against Aaron Rodgers Because maybe there's a story and it was the Hail Mary, okay? So Calvin comes on the show I show him the plane He's like, okay. Why you gotta show me this? This is my last game and then he tells me that he said he was I'm like, why weren't you in the end zone defending that and he said all week they practiced that way all week He was in the end zone and he Somehow was on the field during the play and then somebody called what who knows the defensive court They pull him off of the field. Did you know that? I Knew he was supposed to be on the football field for that play and I promise you Anybody out there that thinks they could jump and thinks they got hops and all that if he was out there He's going to catch that or bet that ball down. So, you know, I Did hear that but I am glad that you know, they have messed that whole situation up And it helped us out and Rich Rodgers able to go up there and catch that ball But I did hear that after the game that he was supposed to be out there and my if you would have seen my Expression, I'm like It's his expression so, you know, like it's famous that sideline thing with him and Stafford and I'm like, yeah That sucks. It was a crazy hill, but he's mad and made so much more sense to me because his face is I was out there You guys took me off and he said the exact same thing on the show He said I would have caught that no problem And I would have had an interception and I believe him Let's talk about the Packers really quick because like Aaron, you know, I'm treating Aaron like he's already in New York You have Jordan loves there. We've seen some things. We've seen some You know young quarterback things out there and limited preseason snaps like he he's taking shots out there Which I like accuracy all that what from what you know what you hear what you've seen with your own eyes with love Will he have immediate success with that talent around him? You know, I think it's a way I think it's gonna be a way to see I think the blessing about it is He's been with Coastal floor. He's been with Aaron Rodgers for the last three years being able to understand the offense being able to see the Mistakes air made being able to see all the good things that Aaron made. I mean he won an MVP in that offense So you you've been able to see a lot in that offense, right? And all you hear out of there even the guys that I talked to is Jordan. Love is ready. He's growing He understands his playbook like the back of his hands. You know, he has command of the offense So I think he will play well. Is it gonna be those ups and downs, you know Of him getting in there being able to be a starter for the first year basically like it's his rookie year again You're gonna have those ups and downs But I do think we are going to come out of this football season and we are gonna say that the Gray Bay Packers are okay With Jordan and love under center for years to come because you are gonna see him grow as the season goes on And we're gonna see him make some plays, you know and really look at it like, okay That's the first round pick, you know as this thing keeps going I think Jordan love is gonna be okay and the blessing about it is he has a big time running game behind him He's gonna be able to get in some play-action past I think he will be just fine and you got to learn from one of the greatest to ever do it for the last three years So that means something Amazing analysis I was gonna ask you about Lamar, but instead I'm gonna ask you about this Photo that you sent me This is this is purely to give love to Jimmy see food. This is in the restaurant This is in the restaurant. This is big time. Okay Adams in the restaurant in Jimmy see food I mean the food was fire, but I walked in I said man. She's just big time She just blowing up she everywhere people was standing next to your picture taking pictures with it And I'm like, I think I know her You know Just let her know she picked up It's one of the best restaurants I've ever been to I they're so welcoming they take care of you It's very family and the food they could be off the food is so good. I'd come there even if they were off It was it's so delicious and they took care of me during the pandemic. They would send packages They're just I love everything about Jimmy see but the fact that that's up there is absolutely hilarious I hope they took care of you James. Oh, they did if you are in Baltimore, make sure you go to Jimmy's I mean, I had there was nothing bad on that menu. I mean if I could if I can bring one to Arizona We should we should talk about that I would love to think Lamar is playing You think Lamar is gonna be visiting Jimmy see food next. Yeah next year. Will he stay in Baltimore? He better. I mean if for that city for coach hardball and everybody that's over there in Baltimore I mean Lamar Jackson is the Baltimore Ravens. He is Baltimore. I don't want to see him play anywhere else I truly believe this is something that they have to get done I mean what I'm hearing they're going to do on the offensive side of the ball spread this thing out kind of What Lamar Jackson did in college at Louisville three wide if you want to use your legs to make plays make plays They won't get you some receivers on the outside to go to work with Lamar Jackson is Baltimore. I think he will be in a Baltimore Ravens uniform. They are not letting him out of there And I think that's the best place for him to be. I Hope they handle it correctly I hope they get you know spring for the fences get a de hop move some decimals around figure it out to get him Some help and to give him this deal that he wants He's getting a lot of criticism for how he's handling it the Ravens I think probably deserve a little criticism for how they're handling it and treating Lamar in the negotiation as well So I hope it all works out because I think he belongs to Baltimore as well And so do I because of Jimmy's seafood James Jones. We appreciate you in your Green Bay hat I'm sending you a jet set just to see if you put it on And we you know maybe my next time I talk to you Rogers will have made a decision Absolutely, thanks for having me Thank You James Jones. I wonder if he's like that in life like when you're in Green Bay And you're like where do you want to go eat this wing place or this burger place? Does he take seven years to make a decision who knows all packers all the time? We had Super Bowl champion James Jones on the show here's Matt Schneider and Brian good a coos in Joe Douglas Will they see each other at the owners meetings in Phoenix this week? All right. Here he is everybody Matt on the program. I do believe right. We got a check in we're doing an all packer show apparently I didn't realize that's what we're doing here, but we appreciate you so much I thought you were on a beach and I realized that there's those are just a beautiful watercolor painting in back of you It is great to see you. You are a great friend of the show such great information on that packers beat for the athletic How are you feeling? Well, I'm a three-time guest on up in Adams. I'm feeling fantastic Okay, but you can't listen Matt Matt, this is a space you don't have to put on You don't have to put on the face of like everything's fine This is a place you can let it all out the organization the fans. What is the energy? Amidst all of this Rogers trade chaos truly I Think they're ready to move on I feel I have a pretty accurate gauge on the pulse of the fan base and listen I don't know if that's because of things Rogers has said how he played last season How they feel about him just in general but the fan base seems ready to move on from him and Obviously, he's ready to move on as he told Pat right now. We're at a standstill I checked in with someone on the packer side this morning and they said nothing to tell same place we've been so Brian Gudekun seems to be playing a little bit of hardball right now. I know they're not asking for two first-round picks I know that was floated out there But Joe Douglas and Brian Gudekun's are literally or figuratively I guess in a stare down right now because Joe Douglas doesn't want to give up too much I'm assuming for someone that he thinks might only play for him for one year and Brian Gudekun's rightfully So wants to get as much as possible for someone who is arguably the greatest player in franchise history So when we talk about leverage both sides have a reason to want to get this done sooner rather than later But I wish there was something concrete to say this is the deadline. It's gonna get done by this is what they're asking for Right now. There's not any of that. So that's why maybe when they see each other in Phoenix later this week They'll hash some things out. I I got the impression last week that it was Even and dug in and now I think there's minutia and It's gonna get done not this could have taken all summer if it wanted to it's not going to end up that way But I ask you Regardless of whether it gets done today or in a week or whatever. How much is the delay hurting the Packers? I Don't think it's hurting them It's not gonna hurt them Until this drags past the draft which I don't expect it to because the Packers want Whatever draft capital they get back in this trade whether it's the number 13 overall pick from the Jets a second rounder this year Whatever 2023 draft capital they get back. They're gonna want that obviously before the draft to help build around Jordan love immediately So that's the first deadline here The Packers already have the guy they want to be their starting quarterback for week one The only downside to having Aaron Rodgers on the roster beyond the draft is the distraction aspect of it if they report to You know mandatory activities this spring or OTAs or mandatory minicamp, whatever it may be and Aaron Rodgers is still on the roster That's just an added distraction for Jordan love They want to officially hand over the keys to Jordan love have him be the face of the offense and not have you know That Rodgers 12 name plate still above the locker right when you take a right inside the locker room Inside Lambeau field and then Jordan love to be a couple to the right of him. So I don't think it's hurting them In terms of who has more leverage I think you have to ask a simple question which team currently has the quarterback on their roster that they intend to be their week One starter. That's the Packers So I don't think it's hurting the Packers as much as it would be the Jets if this drags on But both sides certainly are incentivized to get a deal done sooner rather than later So really reasonable way to put it Do you have you know, I know that you cover the team objectively Is it a bit of a heartbreak to watch it end this way like I'm trying to think you know And I think that I think that Aaron was really and I know you're smiling, but I really think that he like Thinks about this kind of stuff and then I remember when he won Maybe it was MVP something an NFL honors and it was the it was him and Brett Farve on stage together And I was like what is going on here and then backstage? They were like super chummy and it was you know They had you know really wanted to show what their their friendship had deepened all of this and he even told me then like he Thinks about how Brady and Peyton Manning and the storybook ending and how he wants to walk away before like is there any of that? Heartbreak sort of pending with this fan base because it's it's almost seems like part two of this Yeah, I wish I could speak for the the Brett Farve Rodgers transition I'm only 27 years old, so I wasn't around for that back in 2008 But I think right now the feeling among the fan base will be different than a Couple weeks from now or after whenever the trade transpires officially No matter how they feel about Rodgers now or how he's played in recent years There remains a grand appreciation for what he's done for this franchise There have only been a handful of names and numbers retired that are up on the facade inside Lambeau Field Rodgers is going to be one of them There have been thousands of players that have played for this organization and Rodgers is one of the ten best to have his name retired There's a great appreciation for what he's done if you listen to what he said on Pat It honestly seemed Like it was the Packers or retirement at least at the start of this offseason I know he said when he went into the darkness it was 90% retiring But it seems like there's that little chip on his shoulder whether he wants to admit it or not Covering Aaron Rodgers every day for these past four seasons I find it hard to believe that the organization Choosing to quote-unquote push him out the door after he came out of his darkness retreat Puts a little bit of a chip on his shoulder And it'll create for fascinating cinema if he goes to the Jets, but yes getting back to your original question I do think there's a slight bit of heartbreak. It's not exactly the dramatics of the far of Rodgers thing 15 years ago, but there's certainly an aspect of you know, this isn't as harmonious as maybe It could have been And if it's not harmonious it's a little different than what it looks like to Packers fans and that media base compared to what it will look like in the Turbulent waters of the New York press corps over here, which will be really fascinating to see play out as well What is your favorite Rodgers memory with the media? Ooh, that's a good one. Listen for as much as and I'll say this to anyone for as Much crap as he gets for how he talks and what he does with the media He's he's been awesome to cover. You know, he's very accessible whether it's on the record off the record Gives great interviews very thoughtful in his answers about as accessible and great with reporters as a star athlete can be You know, I would say my favorite interaction with him. It was my first year covering the team back in 2019 I had never done a one-on-one interview with him And I wanted to do a story where he tried to guess all at the time It was 37 37 players he had thrown touchdowns to in his career So I made the request through Tom Fanning the Packers PR Maven who handles all of Rodgers request Rodgers said yes And so for about 20 I asked for about 10 minutes with Rodgers after his weekly Wednesday session, but him and I ended up standing together at his locker for about 25 minutes with him trying to guess every single player He'd ever thrown a touchdown to in his career over a decade starting and I basically the conversation was so good that I just transcribed the whole thing and posted it as its entire story instead of just like writing it myself So we started off pretty easy He was looking around the locker room naming the guys that were there that day that he had thrown touchdowns to But as we went on he was remembering, you know plays from 2011 to no-name fullbacks the exact plays To guys who only caught one touchdown from him He was really getting into it and other other players and people in the locker room came over and and to me long story short It goes to show kind of the effort he put in with media not only that But the thought behind everything he says and just the incredible recall he has Dating back his entire career which made the stories we wrote I say wrote past tense because I don't think I'll be covering him in Green Bay anymore It just made our jobs that much easier with how in-depth he was with the answers that he gave I Mean you love Aaron Rodgers. I'm wishing you To mourn it sounds like you do sounds like you have a lot of endearment I don't think we don't hear much that how great he is with media and how thoughtful and how we don't actually know mostly Outside of what the internet wants to talk about I I look at Aaron Rodgers and I say he I don't think he likes talking about football Like he in my in my purview. He's not interested in the booth or analysis or where all these guys are going to make their bag After they retire after that like I think he has other interests. I think he's very Focused on making sure the world knows that he's not just this thing that can you know So I actually love hearing the story of him naming all of these players And all these moments because I'm sure I know he has that in him, but he doesn't really Broach it, you know, he did I would I would love to hear more of his insight outside of we know what he does the podium But he's one of the few quarterbacks that if he's talking I'm logging on to Packers comm or onto the and I'm listening in the dolls of October football I'm listening to what he says and how he handles the media. So Enjoy your last couple of who knows days moments minutes who the hell knows of all of this and good luck With the Packers and the rest of free agency, of course We're covering that in the draft up ahead as you guys try to fill some of these holes and and and here's to the Jordan Love experience map Here's to it. Thanks so much Kay. I always appreciate you having me on I'm awesome. Great to see you. We'll hang out in Appleton and I'm there at the ideal bowling alley next time I'm in town. We'll be back right here. We're not just talking Packers. It's got to enter happen How about Larry mitten still with the the Jamie Lannister character arc? Are you kidding? Kansas State running back doose Vaughn. Well, one thing about him is He kind of reminds me of Darren Sprills, and I don't love a player comparison, but I have had a Five six a hundred ninety pound hole in my heart for years now 43. It's my password on my freaking cell phone I love Darren Sprills. He decides to call it a career one of my favorite players to ever do it and He really was like the inspiration to anyone who's ever been called slight undersized not quite there Combines a nightmare all of that and I'm not gonna say he's gonna take the space scrolls in my heart Of course now I do think doose Vaughn draft prospect is going to be the one to carry the church for the little guys going forward at the combine a few weeks ago the Two-time unanimous all-american measured in at five five He's the shortest player in combine history as a five foot nothing lady. I love this. He's 179 pounds But his on-field resume is insane. He led the entire country in yards from scrimmages nearly 2000 last season He showed he can handle a big workload. He had 335 touches. That's the third most in all of college ball Are you kidding? He's so shifty. He is so off the charts explosive. He's so versatile It's hard not to if you watch that footage You see it and you think darren's rolls darren's rolls darren's rolls darren's rolls. That's what it is And I don't want you to think I am making a lazy trite Low-hanging fruit comparison with an undersized running back from kansas state. I get it But he flat-out said he modeled his game after seds rolls during his combine interview And he by the way gave this incredible answer and be at being asked about being undersized Personally, I do not I mean I feel like uh darren's rolls a three co-ed jacuzzi rogers all these guys that have come before me have kind of Kind of written that narrative of innocence To the point where it gave me the confidence as a young kid as a as a high school or as a college player To go out here and keep chasing my dream. And that's one of the things I want to do as well Kind of be that that person inspired the next generation of of small and backs or guys that seem to be undersized that man you can do it All the chef's kisses deuce May not come off the board until day two day three Regardless of when he's taken and I don't even care where he lands. I have supreme confidence that he's going to play A huge Oversized role wherever he goes and make an impact on the league a deuce bond darren's rolls like guy in the nfl That's a prospect and that's one thing about it Back on up an atom dropping it up like things were currently obsessed with shrinking Ted lasso's back wasn't enthused by episode one Yet, but I'll watch episode. I'm watching tv like that's a whole new leaf for me. It really is old lady stuff Succession's coming back next sunday. I'm not ready for it. I watched the seat the I watched every season premiere last week I have no life. Anyway, things that were currently obsessed with I'm obsessed that I'm in new york What favorite place one of my favorite people matt hamilton? I mean larry tumsel. Let's you know do a little coffee talk and cheers to him The character arc is jamie lannister s seriously and he slides to 13th overall taken in that draft after he looked like You know those images. He looks like scare crow from batman. He does. He looks like that You know what i'm saying? He came and see his face and all that happens And then he spends some time in the dolphins gets trade to the texans balls out. Yeah Yeah, he's he's become one of the best left tackles in the nfl If not the best and he's getting paid like it He got the first deal from the texans that made him the highest paid tackle and then he negotiates his own contract And yesterday becomes the highest payable tackle again. So he does it again. He's making all this money It's well deserved and because he's playing and he's playing insane We talked about a good morning football a lot Over the past couple of seasons and it's really goes to show you truly like and not to be too like Musa about it but like things happen for a reason He slid for who knows like how things would have end up if you went higher He went somewhere else to a situation that was even worse than the one. What was he expected to go super high, right? Yeah, he's supposed to go top five that he was in consideration for the number one overall pick Yeah, and I think it all worked out perfectly for a reason and now he's getting paid and he's getting respect Especially here on our show. Um, we welcome scare crow masks. Okay. Um, let's see another thing I'm obsessed with i'll say a dell. I went to see a dell on friday night Your life is so boring. I wasn't like the Hugest a dell fan, but I saw her last year in hide park at wimbledon when I was there in london She walks around. It's the most insane show. Vegas is the best Vegas is insane. You go to any of these shows. So here's what happens. I'm she walked right in front of me It was awesome. There's confetti and there's like all this pomp and circumstance But you know, I go I fly into vegas where i'm going to the show and then I I walk into seizures and i'm like Oh, yeah, i'm march madness. Yeah, that's it. The whole world is captivated by march madness I have no interest. Yeah, I I tried to get interested here. We're gonna have john rostine I know you walked in just in time to see what's happening to prudue because that's Fd you and prudue. There was like a minute left everyone's freaking out There's men grown men wearing flip-flops in the sportsbook watching these tv's I'm like, this is the a thring of dantes inferno This is not where I want to be at all and then it happened and I immediately was like john rostine Let me wrong But a dell I mean that one little look she gives you That one little look Yeah, she yeah, she I don't know if she's that excited to see me because I was like But uh, she's brilliant. Absolutely brilliant and she uh, your life is so boring. Yeah She's such an old lady just sitting at home watching tv We're in new york. Oh wait, red card will be on our show. Who else do we have? Um, we have kareem jackson with dwight freany coming up. Is he a new york nick? No, but i'm going to the next game if you don't know any players, I should know let me know