 Okay. Make sure this thing. Welcome board members, if you can please turn on your cameras. Hello, this is Dave Cooper. Jesse Ken Coker Dave. Yep. Good afternoon, everyone. Afternoon. And it's great to see you guys. Good to see you folks. Even if it is in this digital realm. Thanks, Kerry, because I knew Jesse couldn't coordinate this. So good job. Oh, it's my pleasure. And I would like to let you know that we are live streaming to YouTube and this meeting is being recorded. Thank you so much for that. Maybe we give it a few more minutes to give opportunity. We've got. Oh, all right. Here comes Mr. Hendrickson. Perfect. So I'm up in Everett, Washington. Are you really vacating. Visiting my brother. And so we're at the airport. They're looking at airplanes and various stuff. Wow. We've got about 15, 20 minutes. It shouldn't be a real long. Long meeting. If I remember right, we didn't get a response from Richard. Richard has a. A conflicting appointment today, but he was hoping to jump on for just a few minutes. Maybe two more minutes and then we'll ask our last elected chair. Mr. Cooper to call to order here and maybe two more minutes. Four or five or so. I would say, yeah. I'll apologize. I don't, I have. I took a quick look at the agenda, but I'm hoping people will hit me with the other stuff for that. But it didn't look very complicated. That's the idea. We all do enough complicated stuff every day. Let's keep this simple. Keep me out of trouble. That's asking a lot. Well, according to my computer screen, it's four or five, Mr. chair. You're on mute. I was coordinating a little bit. Okay. I like to call the September meeting of the board of building regulations and appeal for the city of Santa Rosa to order. Can you please call the roll? Okay. So let the record reflect that all board members are present with the exception of Richard. Yeah. And Dan O'Rourke. So much. All right. What's our first order of business? Well, we only had Mr. chair. If I may, we only had one really. And it's really the discussion of the. Board appointments and term limits. Since we just went through this last round of. Recruitments and a lengthy process to make, get the appointments made. We now have nearly a full board for the first time in my 10 year here. We are still, we deal still have one vacancy. So we're going to continue to work with the city clerk's office and the mayor and council members to try to get some. Additional interest. It was great to see, you know, we have our, our new. With us now we have Mr. Coker is our newest member. Mr. Yan. Isn't able to join us. Hopefully he will be able to jump on with us. And then the rest of the players we've, we've worked somewhat together over the years, but not necessarily in the board, so to speak, because we haven't really. Had the need or the opportunity to meet, even though we now get to meet our one year, once per year requirement for 2021 anyway. So we're going to check that box. But it was just my hope is to. We can do that. So we can, we can do that. And we can, we can do that. Later develop a chance to speak with each of our board members individually. Without violating a Brown act, I can speak to you all individually. Just, just to get a sense of anything you would like to see from the board. We have, as we all know, we have a pretty cut and dried mission. To, to essentially. The. Over the last two years. Some of us were together when we discovered past practices of the board, may not have been the correct path. Although not knowing that we didn't do anything wrong, but we did find that some, some of the members that are on now actually heard some appeals But we do still have the opportunity to hear code enforcement cases for sure through discussions with our city attorneys, we discovered that those matters of different state law reside more in the administrative hearing function where someone can hear from a more legal perspective versus what we know and work with as far as code perspectives. I wouldn't even expect myself to be able to interpret those laws and regulations that deem when is appropriate or not to to deem someone allowed to have rental reimbursement so that's one key item that was really nice for us and we've developed a really good working relationship with our city attorneys. So we're never going to see something that the attorneys haven't already been involved with. And I do offer the appeals board up to folks at times. When, you know, we don't want to, we being me in our department don't want to ever think that we're above anything and just because we say so it is. But when we're extremely confident in our code interpretation, and someone wants to continue to challenge that we eventually have to say here's here's your path to appeal. I've offered it more in the last year to two years than I've ever even thought I would want to offer it because I always try to mitigate issues prior to getting to an appeal. But there there's still going to be the opportunity. I suspect with the rebuild efforts that have that have come through. There will be potentially opportunity for some appeals, just because the process was just such a quite an effort will leave it at that. Code enforcement is still going to be one of our main main sources for appeals, if, if we do get them. We're building an entirely new team code enforcement wise we, if you all haven't seen the the records. I hired, we went, I, we were fortunate enough to instill the position of assistant chief building official. And CC Muella, who is a former code enforcement officer with the city of Santa Rosa. Many of you may have recalled her former last name and CC severe. So she's familiar with the city very qualified grade in the code enforcement realm so, and she hopes to join us for part of the new. But that that's really just part of what we wanted to discuss today, and also love to hear from any of any of our board members questions suggestions thoughts on the process and me being staff liaison for this board. I'm always open to, you know, any, any pathways that we can maybe utilize this board within reason and within our authority to to make our city a better city and again I appreciate all of all of your efforts in continuing to be on the board and and again super excited to have nearly a full board and really want to have an actual full board to be great. So, I'll leave it at that Mr chair. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All righty. So I would say that we could probably with notice. Does anybody else have any other comments. I do have one question. At what point do we as a board. I think that there's a potential item that needs to be discussed. How is that notification given to us and at what point in the, in the process. Right. Well, we'll look into the actual legalities but we do have these. I think most of, I think everybody's familiar with the boards and commissions they have very specific timeframes that they have to follow when we get an appeal and within X timeframe we're required to set a hearing it's a little bit loose with this board because the regulation says that we hear an appeal on the next regularly scheduled meeting. So we may, if the chair and or members want to schedule a special meeting as opposed to our quarterly. We could schedule one in advance to to hear you know, but we would give you the minimum required or hopefully always more than the minimum notification, and we would also want to make sure attendance is as possible and if we need to work with the entire board because it is such a very amenable group to try and get things together. I think we could always find a way to say if we have to. Let's let's get this on on a calendar where we can all agree. And we just have to post it carry has been working with our city attorney as many of you have exchanged with carry she is now officially the recording secretary for the board she's new to this position we just promoted carry to admin secretary and solidifies her in this in this role. So she, she and I and the city clerk and city attorneys are going to continue to iron out this process and be ready for anything that comes at us and do it right this time as opposed to the last three years you've been dealing with me. Good. Thank you. Does that answer your question. It does thank you. I've seen as we get an email saying there's been an appeal proposed. This is a proposed date, and then we, we get some sort of a packet saying this is the both sides of the appeal. So we get a little bit of free chance and then we get briefed on the on the rules of it so. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I guess, with no one's anybody else have anything to say. I guess I will then entertain a motion to adjourn. He got a plane to catch. Yeah, like I say on vacation we're touring a hang out the airport up in pain field so. I would ask Dave, I know Dave and I and Peter been on this for a long time and one of the things on the agenda scheduling the next meeting it for a period of time it was kind of haphazard as when we met based on appeals but. That didn't serve the public very well, because they never really knew when we were doing it so I think carry what maybe Jesse started. I know Dave and Peter involved is that we went ahead and schedule quarterly meetings in other words they've been completely reserved so that we could get a quorum so everybody read to them. And I don't think we've had a meeting. It was it was so the public knew how to back in a schedule to meet our meeting. And if there was anything on the docket, then that's the date and we already had a predetermined court based not a quorum that started everybody a predetermined that they could be there. I'm sorry carry or whoever it was before I'm sorry carry would say hey there's nothing up so go you know go to dinner or hey there's something coming up so plan accordingly, and then Jesse would get the information out but it's just. It's, I know that the board is a requirement of building code the city of Santa Rosa. We, I'm just going to say hats off to you Jesse for for keeping us uninvolved which means you're doing a good job so, and I know I'm saying I mean that's certainly because we all the time. There'd be a problem in the building division so the good news is can. I know you've been around for a long time. We don't meet very often. So, we're here to support the city so it in terms of wanting to go look at airplane hangar scheduling the next meeting are we going to do that again. Pre pre select we definitely will yeah we want to maintain that so we have it officially on the calendar so it is the published calendar. We definitely want to maintain that in. Yes, scheduled meetings every quarter. And then we cancel and as needed. Yeah. I will, I will send out the meeting invitation for you for those scheduled meetings. He allowed me a couple of days to get that out to you I will. It won't have the zoom information because I'll generate that closer to but at least you'll have it in your calendars for when those will occur. Great. And before we do get that that second for the motion, I apologize. We did have some discussions in the last time we actually talked about the chair position and selecting a chair. We did learn that through this last recruitment and deeper dive into the, the city council policy that the mayor is required to have the chair, even though the board is historically, you know, those that have been on. So we're okay where we are, but we are actually officially and have officially requested that the mayor appointed chair. And it was discussed prior to look into having the chair position be two years as opposed to one because it just makes sense because we don't meet that often. I won't say brushed aside, but it would involve and entail revisiting the entire council boards and commissions policy. And there's, they don't have an appetite for that being they meaning the former now and then now the current acting city manager city attorney and you can see where I'm going with that so we are going to likely get an appointment of a new chair, or maybe they'll continue with the existing one but we are trying to have them make it official from the mayor, and keep us moving forward in that manner and I apologize I did. And there for the for the board again some things I forgot. There was also a push to. And I supported it and could not garner support in the city legal realm to entertain board members that don't necessarily have home occupancy in the city limits but business occupancy. And I could not give any traction. So, because many of you may recall Rob can too was formed that board member that didn't didn't have residency and we were previous city attorney said, Oh they have a business here with residency of the business and they wouldn't let us renew Rob's membership on the board so and we do have some other parties interested that you all have worked with in the past and they're they're designed professionals that would serve well on the board but just simply don't have home occupancy here. So, to let you know I did try and got shot down in flames. Let me say congratulations, Dave Cooper in advance to the mayor pointing them again. One last thing. You all do have what and Kerry's going to work with our teams here it and likely city clerk you all do have official city emails. It's going to be something at SR city.org so she'll be working to get that established for for you all. Oh, cool. I am. I already have a city email address because of my participation with the police. Oh, that'll be interesting. Sure we don't have any. Any. Okay, Koker at SR. Right. So, I'll stop talking I'm picking up way too much of your time that could be free. I'm still waiting for a second on the motion, or, or maybe a first, looking for a motion to adjourn. I so move. Second. Second. All discussion. All in favor say aye. Hi. Thanks everybody for making it. Thank you. Yeah. Can I get out of here. Thanks Kerry. Welcome. Have a good evening.