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In fact Mario's pizza is like a hundred yards behind me It's kind of in the next there's a parking lot between this building and Mario's but it's right over there Are you maybe gonna have Mario's pizza again today? Probably but leftover we have leftovers. I see I see That's breakfast for me I'm I'm I'm not one to heat up the pizza the next day ever It's leftover. I'm just eating it right out of the fridge I used to heat it up every once in a while as an experiment, but it never went well. So yeah And if you heat it in the oven Sometimes that's nice, but that's like 30 minutes from when you actually want it apparently someone was saying Steamer or Boiler Boiler Boiler probably yeah, I have so many hats you guys I have I have a big hat here. I Have a nice flower. Oh, that's nice. Yeah nice hat. Oh, that's a nice one. I have a nice make burning man great again Well, that's apropos considering that it just ended, right? Yeah, right. What did did you go this year? Oh, no, I did not go this year. All right. Well, you you choose they're all great. Oh I like that one too. Well, I think we have a winner. Yeah, I think we have a winner and it's time to start the show Ready one y'all are here we go show you want to count me in Roger or should I do it three two Thanks to everyone who supports daily tech news show directly to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the daily tech news for Tuesday September 7th. It's not Tuesday It's really totally Friday September 7th 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt from studio feline. I'm sir land It's also Friday here And I'm Roger Chang the producer who should have changed the date Also joining us today. Dr. Kiki host of this week in science. Dr. Kiki great to have you back. It's so good to be back. Hello Kiki's back. We're gonna talk about Dr. Kiki has prepared science for us three ways today I did three science stories science kitchen the tricycle of science, right, right is apropos science What is it called when you? Deconstructed science deconstructed deconstructed. That's right science to tech to movement Yeah, no, that's exactly what it is. Uh, but let's start with a few tech things you should know Google sent out invites to the media that said I hard and why you might have seen those t-shirts The heart was made of a less than three sign and then the number three Which obviously is the emoticon for hearts, of course But also probably indicating the announcement will be about the pixel three the event is scheduled for october 9th Well, guess what microsoft said we can do that too and send invites to the media for an event At 4 p.m. Eastern october 2nd the invite read a moment of your time Watch, I don't know. Uh, best bets are sneak peeks at coming windows 10 features possibly some new hardware in the surface line Um, maybe a calendar. I don't know Chrome 69 new browser won't show the www or m for a mobile website on websites in the address bar due to what google says is Trivial subdomains. You don't need them. However critics say well two different sites now look even more similar sometimes potentially exposing users to fishing attacks Google told wire that urls failed to convey a site's identity So the company wants an alternative that offers more convenience and greater security And right before the show esp and sports business reporter daren rovell tweeted just in the dodgers will announce today that on september 21st They will distribute crypto tokens that will unlock one of three Digital player bobbleheads that can be stored in a fans ethereum wallet This is believed to be the first crypto-based giveaway in pro sports who I sarah is not going to cheer because it's a dodger story. I get that Total respect for that. Uh, let's talk a little bit more about apple All right, hopefully you can hear me. Yes, we can apple has removed a macOS app called adware doctor that blocked ads But also shared user browser history with a domain based in china Now patrick wortell who's a chief research officer at digital security and founder of max security company objective c That's se but very clever says that apple was informed of adware doctor's practices last month But didn't do anything at first although friday confirmed to buzzfeed that it has removed the app from its app store adware doctor costed five dollars And it was apple's mac app stores fourth highest top paid software program and the app store is number one paid utility app Yeah, and there's a lot of similar apps in the mac app store when I was looking around to see if this was still there I found others with Chinese software makers. I'm not saying those are you know sending your browser history away, but this is Pretty clearly a violation of apple's guidelines and it's odd that they didn't do anything about it when they were informed august 12th Apple isn't talking a lot about it. I would like to know I would like apple to say we didn't remove it because x or Uh, you know we we have now removed it. We're sorry it took so long But give us give us something uh to make it clear Anand tech has identified that huawei has been increasing thermal and power limits in order to boost scores in common benchmark software It makes for high benchmark scores But also makes the system look less power efficient in a meeting at ifa dr Wang chang lu president of software at huawei's consumer business group tried to persuade anand tech That benchmarks aren't the best way to evaluate phones He also said Others do it so huawei must and he wants to come together with others in china to create a standard He also ensured future benchmark announcements will be verified by third parties now Anand tech has a great write-up about this they point out that they use gfx bench to do their Benchmarks which is a more real world test And that mobile needs proper in-game benchmark modes that output data properly So huawei pushing for standards is great But there seems to be no reason why huawei would want to do this granted they should want to Do all of this other stuff, but uh, you know like create standards But they don't get anything even they don't even get that much of a marketing push out of Faking these benchmark tests and other companies have gotten in trouble for this before and been busted And either stopped doing it or alerted people that they were doing it when it started Well, okay. So, you know, what's the best guess here? I mean, obviously, you know fudging numbers is Very common in lots of ancient trees But if huawei is like, okay, listen, we don't want to do this Sorry Here are benchmarks to prove that we're you know not trying to Pull the wool over anyone's eyes intentionally Is this just something that companies have to be better at as far as internal numbers? No, it's stop doing it. Just stop trying to fake it. There's no excuse at all for this You know the excuses is marketing hype Which like I said, doesn't really lead too much and you're going to get busted an antecker or someone else is going to find out Because they look very closely at this stuff. Thankfully According to a letter to the us senate obtained by mac rumors Apple is building a team to train law enforcement on tech issues Including an online training module to help reach police forces around the world by the end of the Uh By the end of the year apple will launch a portal for authenticated officers to submit lawful requests for data Antitrack requests and obtain responsive data from apple The company is doing this as a part of its effort to follow the guidelines of a recent report from the center for strategic and international studies I find this to be oddly hopeful I think what apple is trying to do here is say no, we're not going to build a backdoor into encryption but we have a really good reason why and We are going to show that we want to help law enforcement in ways that don't weaken security for everybody else and that are effective I think what's greatest about this is because it's an online module and because they're reaching out to Everyone worldwide in law enforcement smaller police forces rural area police forces small country police forces Can take advantage of this as well And if you're wondering about it apple says that what they do Is follow the laws of the local country if if they have a Appropriate legal request in that country. They will they will fulfill it to the best of their ability I will add this is actually A sign of that some companies are trying to get ahead Of any possible issues instead of being reactive. It's like, hey, why don't we just go out there And do this and therefore if something does have we can say hey, we we did our part We need to Either adjust the training session or we need to you know Do any kind of tweaking to our to our process, but it's not like hey We were just sitting on our fingers something blew up and then we reacted It's more of a hey, we're trying to be proactive partners. Therefore, you know, if they ever get grilled in any kind of political Uh, you know ping pong match they can say hey like we did our part It's all on your hands if something else blows up I mean, yes that does make it sound like they're only doing it because they have to I have a feeling that that apple Has been developing this for a long time and I think they want to do it I don't think they're there you could look and I may be wrong Maybe they're kicking and screaming and only doing it because they have to but I feel like they they are also trying to be Good citizens here not just trying to cover their ass Later, I don't think that's always true of apple. I think it might be true in this case Kiki, I don't I know this doesn't touch on science directly, but but it is about the protection of data Absolutely, and I think I mean I think it's good that apple is putting it out there that they are trying to put their customers first As opposed to putting these requests for backdoors into into everybody's data It's interesting the point that you made about it. I guess I'm democratizing the police across around the world the the law enforcement around the world some some police forces have the money to have an experienced Privacy and security professional who does hack the phones who gets into the the evidence that they collect But little podunk town in the middle of Iowa is not necessarily going to have those resources But maybe they can have members of their force who've gone through training or have that information at hand as to who to contact If they do have needs Yeah, by the way, I lied at the beginning of the show. Uh, I am not in Los Angeles. I'm in greenville, Illinois today I kind of left that one slide because I was like, I don't know. Maybe he's being contestant or something He's really it's tuesday thinking about uh, like I got ron burgundy, but Um, but it's a small town. It's not in the middle of Iowa. It's the middle of Illinois, but it's it's exactly what you're talking about I apologize to everyone for Mistake well that one roger. I should know where I am Maybe you really did put yourself on tuesday on tuesday in los angeles I was in los angeles You know, you default to the day Speaking of california berkeley california based rigetti is launching an integrated computing system that it says is the first quantum cloud services architecture It has about 12 customers using the system for free right now Rigetti was founded and is run by a physicist named chad rigetti not by relief pitcher Dave rigetti fast company cured the data center, which is made up of supercooled 16 cubit Quantum computers run in hybrid with traditional servers. So this is a hybrid System not a pure quantum system quantum advantage is what everybody's after that's the idea It's a milestone Where the limited and error prone quantum systems become good enough to boost the performance of traditional computers in these hybrid systems And rigetti thinks that quantum advantage could be achieved by his systems between six and 36 months from now Sometime after his systems reach 128 cubits, which he expects to happen by the end of the year Rigetti started letting developers access systems online using a dev kit called forest in december And he wants clients he works very closely He doesn't let just anyone use it But he wants clients to use it for free in the hopes that they will create That application that will achieve quantum advantage and he's going to award whoever achieves quantum advantage first a million dollars I think stuff like this is awesome because it this is driving the technology forward and also the use of the technology So kind of that that that competition aspect to it is one aspect that's being used a lot in science and data sciences right now So that's awesome. But secondarily, I think that between six and 36 months from now That's like the standard. We're going to have this drug in five to ten years We're going to cure cancer in five to ten years We're going to have quantum computing in six to 36 months. So good luck with that Fingers crossed Yeah, I mean the the thing that gives me a little hope is they've shifted from saying we need quantum advantage In a pure form to saying we want to we want to achieve stuff that's good enough So drug discovery is an example where they don't need to Actually find out the best drug as long as they find out a drug that works better than the drugs that are there Or for stock portfolios, they don't need to find the most optimized stock portfolio If the quantum computers are a little error prone, but they still create a portfolio that's better than traditional computers Then you've got quantum advantage Multiple outlets starting with the wall street journal are confirming that tim armstrong Actually, my former boss at one point when I worked at tech range is negotiating an exit from Verizon's oath Which was formed by the combination of aol and yahoo oath coo K guru garoppin had most of the day-to-day control of the company since the reorg earlier this summer Recodes peter kaufka says that armstrong wanted verizon to spin out oath as its own company New verizon ceo hawns vestberg is seen as less interested in media And the official word seems to be that oath's properties will be integrated more directly into verizons However, verizon cfo matt ellis told a bank of america investor conference Our commitment is as strong today to oath As it has ever been oath generated six percent of verizon's total revenue in q2 the six percent is a very interesting number Matt ellis said I take this oath I mean listen, you know, yeah, it's it's it's six percent is you know It was a any executive is going to be like we need to like re strategize here This is fascinating the early stories that I saw about this saying that uh, verizon Under vestberg, which which he is is very much a telco guy and and was refocusing on telco parts of the of the business Uh made sets the idea that oath could compete with google and amazon and advertising Wasn't crazy, but it was going to be a hard thing to pull off Yeah, so these later these later disavows from cfo matt ellis. I feel like are trying to calm investor fear I I think they are going to start taking the content they have an oath and and just reattaching it and I don't think that's the best thing for the content that they have I think I think the idea of a yahoo aol combo that's separate is is probably more functional for creating media and content I think they armstrong was probably right. They should just either run it independently or spin it off But who's gonna listen? Well, apparently to armstrong decided no one and that's why he's leaving. I'm out of here. You're not listening to me. Okay You know, he's also been you know, he headed up aol for a long time. Um, and you know saw it through many iterations and recently Particularly after verizon bought aol, you know, when I worked at aol back in 2015 um has seen uh downsizing and budget changes and you know, the the the entire conglomerate has has Is is continuing to shift. I'm trying to choose my words carefully, but I shrink even yeah, yeah, exactly Well, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com Let's talk space and other Transportation and movement technologies kiki starting with space elevators a favorite of mine. I used it in a novel I wrote once uh as a trope It's been around as an idea for more than a half a century And the idea is that it would make it easy to get into orbit But we don't have a material that's quite strong enough to be that rope That can be this reliably into orbit. What's the latest progress? Well, the latest progress is that we still don't have that rope They're still counting on those carbon nanofibers to actually Be the fibers that make up the rope But we haven't gotten to the point where we can really make the 60 000 kilometer long rope that we want or need but The advancement now is that there is a japanese team We're going to be testing near the international space station a small prototype elevator And it's you know, it's going to be small It's going to be two ultra small cubic satellites that were developed by shizuoka university faculty of engineering And they're tiny like 10 centimeters each side 100 cubic centimeters and About 10 meter long steel cable is going to connect the satellites So we're going to have a steel cable not the carbon nanotubes that of our dreams But it's a prototype. It is going to be a proof of concept to see whether or not You can have these Maybe not an elevator from earth at this point in time, but could we have an elevator in space For transporting materials between different satellite or spacecraft objects So if ants need to get from one object in space to another they could take this elevator Well, and also what do we call an elevator in space, right? Because the whole idea of an elevator is based on Is based on it's going to be a space train I I like this idea though of saying, you know what until we figure out what that material is to do the full-on You know ground to space elevator Let's try to figure out if that technology is good for something else with the materials that we have today So i'll be curious to see if if this proves to be useful I think everybody is uh because we've we've been dreaming about the space elevator Like you said for about 50 years with really no movement on it in any direction and This is the first Tiny step Yeah, it's more of a space monorail though, isn't it it's like a space monorail Yeah, it's gonna be you say it's an elevator car, but yeah, maybe it's more like a mono rail Are along that yes now we previously mentioned on dts A plan to send small probes to alpha centauri in our lifetime propelled by light sails And we talked about at the time that one of the problems is we don't have all the materials We haven't perfected light sails. They need to be highly reflective. They need to stay cool They need to get not get shredded by any debris they encounter But something called nano photonic light sails may present at least part of the answer They may indeed and so researchers have been trying to create a light sail That would in in what they would hope reflect a majority of the radiation From the sun or from the laser beam that would be used to take these craft to alpha centauri Um and the idea is that you think it's the light particles just pushing And in in putting their force onto the sail But really it is the reflection of those particles from the sail itself And so you need a nearly perfect reflector and there's a new article in nano lasers In which researchers from the california institute of technology and pan in pasadena Have created these nano photonic structures. What does that mean? They're tiny little tiny nano nano sized particles That manipulate light at sub wavelength scales. So normal Wavelengths of light are on the hundreds of nanometers, but this is going to be sub wavelength scales. And so And this will give them a way to I guess perfect that propulsion system and They have discovered that whereas silicon has a large reflective reflective Index it doesn't have a good Cooling ability Silica has a good radiative cooling property in a smaller refractive index. And so they're working on Working on how to get the you know, the right mix the right balance Yeah, great balance of these materials because you want to have it's going to light the laser beam light It's going to heat up on one side, but the other side of the sail has to Let it has to cool and yeah And without slowing it doesn't slow down and so there's no warping of the sail either Yeah, because the idea is like we just Nudge it with a laser beam and it just keeps on going, right? Yeah, what I think is interesting and exciting about this is I think japan sent a light sail Shift to venus A few years back and it worked very well, but it wasn't using laser light It was using just the soul the sun's rays and so it it was only so fast and so accurately it could go But the idea that we would need to have light to take us all the way to alpha centauri or proxma centauri b Right, you have to get all the way there and laser beam is the thing that they think will propel us there so If we want to move around in orbit, it's the space train It's the spaceman or mill but that's just at the beginning of the experiments for it's 10 centimeters We can't get in one yet If we want to go to alpha centauri, it's a light sail But that one we're still trying to find the right balance these nano photonics helps us get a little closer But we're not there yet What about What if I want to fly like a bat? Well, you won't you won't do it in space probably You won't do that. But if you do want to fly like a bat, maybe you don't want to Maybe your robot could Oh, can I have a robot bat like a like an ibo for bats robots kiki says Robots robot right, uh publishing in The public library of science journals a team has a published an article called a fully autonomous terrestrial bat like acoustic robot And so this bat could move around Terrestrial environments, maybe on mars. I don't know, but uh, this is a Bat a bat robot that has been given echolocation abilities just like real bats. They even gave it two audio sensors to to mimic the ears of bats and a single Uh echolocating device to send out the radio signals The auditory signals the sound signals that would then bounce off of things in the environment and allow the robot To map its environment through sound and thus let it navigate without running into anything robot So how big is this thing? I don't know that's a great question Uh, because you know, I think that I think something I could hold in my hand. Those pictures This is bigger and I don't it so far. It's not flying really. This is uh, the thing driving around on the ground But it but it just echo locates It echo locates like a bat. It's not the flying part. So I can't I can't fly like a bat yet. No, not fly like a bat, but maybe eventually but maybe you do sleep hanging upside down Looking at the pictures of the robot it looks More like that, uh, that remote controlled driving ice cooler ice chest so that you could sit on Your own ice chest while going out to the beach and not have to I'm sure this the developers of this the researchers working on this are like, yes That was the key. That was it. That was what we were after Beer train to the beach. No, it's not about mimicking the actual echo location of one of the most sophisticated animal sensory organs in the history of animals Oh, it was driving our ice truck to the beach Well, what's cool about it is that you could use it in an environment Oh, ideally you'd still need some sort of atmosphere in order to the sound waves to propagate But even on a rarefied, you know atmosphere planet like mars you get big enough You know speakers essentially to blast out sound You wouldn't be limited by wavelength You know Electromagnetic wavelengths that you would need like a robotic eye to see you could operate in the dark You could be on the opposite side of where the sun is which would be awesome because then you could essentially have A 20 I guess on mars it wouldn't be 24 hours But at 24 hours all day martian day Robot working for the taxpayers that paid for it Exactly If you want these kinds of stories and more Including animals actual animals not You got to check out twist.org twcis.org you will tell you more about it a little later as well Thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit. There are science stories Sometimes they involve space sometimes they involve bats If we're lucky they involve both But you can submit any story you'd like us to consider and vote on others at daily tech news show dot reddit.com Of course, we're on facebook as well facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show All righty then, uh, let's check out. What's in the mail bag sarah? Let's do it Um, what who who says he's in hot and humid decar senegal One of the places that I'd like to visit in my lifetime says I followed tom from bol to twit And now dts so he's been around a while and he always brings great insight to the topics discussed I agree tom is great Well, except for the couple of times when tom mentioned that he thinks samsung might be going the way the old nokia did I didn't say it will I just said it looks he said he scarily familiar He said yeah, see you said maybe it will and he said There was a smiley face at the end of that so, you know, we're all still friends What who says I'm not american so excuse my ignorance on this matter But aren't google and facebook and twitter private companies that don't have to ensure free speech Let's say for argument's sake that these companies all say We've decided to not show any conservative views on our platform. Can the government do anything? Now, I mean he doesn't mean that they're not publicly traded companies because of course all three are What he means is you're a for-profit company and you can kind of make your own rules Yeah, and this is a great question Because I think a lot of people lose sight of this part of the the argument No, none of these companies are saying they are a free speech platform in the sense that they are guaranteed by the first amendment in the united states They're saying we want to be an area where people are free to speak Right within certain limits and even government ensured free speech has limits So yes, the private companies can decide where to set those limits However, they want it's not against the law what I think confuses the issue probably from wephu is the government holding a hearing About hey, you say you're allowing everyone, but you're suppressing this and no The government can't come down under an existing constitutional amendment and say you have to allow this kind of speech But what they can say is if you are going to have an effect on an election You have to provide equal opportunity of voices or more likely They can just try to make these companies look bad and put public pressure on them And that's really probably the biggest lever that is trying to be moved by these senate hearings regarding the the Free speech type issues around the social networks. It's a great question Well, thanks to muapu for writing in and thanks to everybody who writes in every day of every week And also thanks to kiki sanford for being with us. It's been too long We missed you. We love your science Um spin on every story that we do and let folks know where they can keep up with all the amazing work You're up to these days. Well, you can always follow me on twitter at dr ki ki. That's durkiki My website is twist org twi s dot org. That's where you can find My science podcast and subscribe and if uh, you're yeah, just those two things Those are probably the best things right there. All the best things can be found at twis. 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I know that's like an area of town like a nice the rose district or whatever it is But that's that's like the little moniker, right the rose city There are many names for portland one of them being the yeah rose city. Yeah Well, hey, the uh wave file is up Any city with lots of roses is a city I can dig Yeah, they have a spring rose festival with a rose parade where they have all these Uh floats come by with people on them and they're all made of flowers Yeah, it's just like that if it's all roses and flowers and then um, and then the all these ladies on horses The horse that and they come wearing their outfits on fancy outfits and they ride their horses that Why why is it just ladies? Or females because there because that's just the way it is. Oh because it's the rose and the the rose princess or the rose They're in the court and all the different. So there's no football game later No, it's not the rose ball Not the rose bowl. No, it's just a rose although dave holton who I thanked earlier who helped us put this together at greenville university He did play on the 1985 championship u.s.c. Rose Bowl team What? That is good trivia You know, there's an elliott smith song called rose parade Uh, really good song and I always assumed it was in l.a. But maybe it was I never thought about it. Can we uh name the show real quick? I suppose there's there's ideas stop trying to fake it Space elevators will they take off? That one's good. I like that one. I'm taking that one Yeah, it's friday. I like three-way science We need stronger rope. I take the show. Should it be a semicolon or a colon? space elevators Will they take off? Yeah, not semicolon. No semicolon. I mean, yeah, I don't think it's wrong to use the semicolon But it's always just right. It's just yeah, nobody gets hurt There's a lot of titles today. You guys Nobody gets hurt. It's not tuesday and tom's not in l.a. Where am I? I like space train. That's right. That's a good one too. Um, did anybody used to watch the great space coaster? Yes. Yes before I went to school I was going to bring that up during the show and I was like no, this is a good post show thing Oh my god. Now I have this song in my head Yeah, it was a good song Great space coaster will explore Will explode Tom please Family friendly Well, it was it was funny. I watched the mr. Rogers documentary on the plane the other day Oh, and I heard it was so good and they used great space coaster as an example clip When they were talking about mr. Roger Fred Rogers did not like the tone of of all of the children's programming of the day and they're like showing all of my favorite shows, right? Yeah, what and what I haven't seen the documentary. So, um Not to you know, talk too much about it for anybody who hasn't seen it But but why he just liked his own style He thought they talked down to kids and didn't actually and didn't actually help them. They didn't didn't educate them I don't think he had anything particularly because the great space coaster itself It was they just used that in the background off the great space coaster. Yeah, you had gary ghanou with With no news They also showed sydney marty croft and I was like, what's wrong with sydney marty croft? But that was an educational show that was just the kids right and I and that was really the point was he was like, there isn't Educational programming that's good and I want to do that which is what he did I wonder if he ever somehow I I have this memory and I don't know why somehow I became incredibly afraid of the purple panda. It was like some big purple panda character in In mr. Roger's neighborhood. Oh, it was the dog, right Wasn't there like a human-sized dog? Yeah, he'd like go through the door and into this other world place Maybe to make believe Yes, and there's a big purple panda I don't remember that I I don't know I have this I But it was it was it was frightening to you it was frightening to me and I saw a clip recently and I'm like Oh, that wasn't that bad. Bob dog Bob dog. Yeah Oh, wow. Yeah, I don't remember that at all I do remember um might have been actually mr. Rogers. I was um I you know as a little kid. I loved I loved all the classics, you know, was it a vase the book, right? Yeah, um, you know out awesome wonderland, which is a real weird book when you really think about it But you know kids love it But um, oh be dick Yes, oh my god Pride and prejudice No, I just found it Mr. McFeely's purple panda squirt scares the bejesus out of kids So it was not Bob dog Wow It was a purple panda on mr. Rogers and there's this whole thing if you look for it There's a huff post article that plays episode 1310 Purple panda scares kids Children cry at the site of the neighborhood character Oh wait a second. It's a person in a panda suit. Yeah, that is scary. That's too big. That's like that's That's something else entirely. I think yeah, no, that's not like a There should be a documentary this should be a documentary about the dark side of children's programming the things that made kids cry the things that The competition between the the hosts of different children's programs the things said behind clothes doors It would be it would be fun Oh my gosh, bio cow. It's the dark place bio cow just wanted to add this to the conversation Let me find it. Here we go He uh, it just uh found this jacket last night Check this out. Oh my god, scary It's a purple panda with no eyes Oh that that's Very frightening. That's yeah, that's so purple panda, but if that doesn't frighten you, what's your problem? Yeah, it doesn't Sorry not paying attention I um I once uh, I don't know how long luceal for giants fans The baseball team has has been around as like, you know Somebody in a suit who goes around and you know high fives kids or whatever question because it's an illusion to the san francisco seals Which was the exactly right. Yeah luceal. Look it's lue the seal basically, right? It's it. It's a um and When pac bell park first opened a t&t park now um We I was with some friends and you know, they're a little kid and yeah, it was like Whoever was in the luceal costume was just, you know, finding kids and being like Fun hugs, you know and the the My friend's daughter who was by three or something. She was really young She was so beside herself terrified that we had to leave Like we had to leave forth any and it was like this isn't working anymore. We have to go Came along in 1995 or 96. Yeah, so this is probably more like 2000 I was I did not Wow, maybe it wasn't maybe it was that candlestick would have been candlestick. Maybe I would have been Yeah, I did not like fredberg When fredberg arrived in the 80s. He was the big cardinal and he's that particularly scary. He's just a Yeah, but I remember the first I actually remember the first time he started coming around in the seats And you know, I think it was with my grandparents and my parents and they're like, oh, do you want to see fredberg? I was like, no no do not call him over here. I do I wasn't scared. I was more like it's embarrassing and I don't want to be seen with fredberg It wasn't like the clown at the children's party moment It was in a way because I also felt the same way about clouds Which was like not scared of them just really embarrassed for them that they're doing that I never liked clouds, but it's not like I hated them. I just didn't see what the amusement was Like I get it. You're a dude in pain and you wear oversized clothing It depends on the kind of clown. I have a friend who's a clown. She does still she's on still She's a clown, but she's like the sexiest most amazing clown. Like she's a clown. You want to hang out with me She's a clown. You want to have a beard. Yeah, have me a sexy clown Right. She's a sexy clown and you're like, uh, I like clowns now So that's what the red nose is for I I knew I I've also known some clowns in my time Literally like people who perform as clowns and they're all really cool and interesting people amazing people. Yeah I know um, I'm one who is um, I don't think she's doing it anymore but uh, when I met her she was a professional clown and uh, this was in san francisco and She was like, yeah, I mean Being a clown is like it's like a real job and like there's like clown stores where you get your stuff Clown school clown school, you know, there's a clown community It's you know, it's all very above above board and I was like, wow There's so much more to this there's a clown credit union probably. I don't know if there is might I wouldn't be that's right. I would not be shocked. No. Yeah Oh Yeah, there's actually um, there's a um Uptown downtown or Clown town, that's where we're going in uptown clown And your white makeup world I need to go pick up my son from school. Oh, yes. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for this I hope that I get to come back again. Yes, please do anytime So good to have your geek and if y'all if y'all come to portland, let me know Yeah, yeah, yeah, we still need to figure out our our our collaborative thing. Yeah. Yeah for sure. Mm-hmm I want to make a thing. Yes. Okay. All right. Let's get back on that idea. All right. I love it Thank you. Happy friday. Happy friday. Happy new new papa hood roger Thank you. You're welcome. I you'd look very uh, you're you tired? Yeah No, you mentioned it You know, you I was kind of cruising there then you mentioned like, oh, yeah Sorry, sorry to remind you of that tiredness yet. Okay. Bye Bye Bye video people Thanks for watching audio people stick around there's more to come More to come