 Good evening everyone, or good afternoon. This meeting is now being recorded. My name is Angela Mills. I work for the town of Amherst. At some point this video will get uploaded to the town of Amherst YouTube channel. And at this time, I'd like to hand things over to the chair, Professor Austin, Sarah. Thank you Angie. Thanks so much. Nice to see everybody. So. Just as is our tradition real quick Austin. We're still in practice session. We're good. Thank you. Okay. It's nice to see everybody I'm going to ask you to signify your presence vocally Sharon. Here. Thank you Sean. Yeah. Thank you Christine. Yeah. Nice to see you Alex. Yeah. And George. Yeah. Thank you and Austin is here. We have no minutes. We have no town manager. Report since a manager can't join us today. Sean. Really quick financial update we met with Craig on Friday to go over some of the pending contracts. I think we talked about that there's a possible survey that we want to look at expanding. The commissioning services. Both some optional commissioning services that we can elect during sort of this design phase and then there's some required commissioning services that we have to contract for post once construction starts or post construction. We also and Craig correct if I'm correct me if I miss anything. And then we also went over a proposal from colliers for just basically to cover now until construction bidding because we've sort of used up their fee because of some of the delays in the project so far. The good news on the what we've seen so far is that the increase is not it's not as significant as you'd expect because there were some savings on the back end in the length of construction. So some of the savings on the back end of the length of construction are reducing the overall increase that we're we're discussing. But we're still having conversations around that. And all three of those topics and our goal is to have them all resolved by Friday next Friday. We've we've reached out to Craig just to make sure like what is our deadline to get these all resolved without any further delays in the project we're very conscious of that. And so we'll have them all wrapped up by Friday. And so I'll give you another update hopefully by our meeting next Thursday we can we'll have a final update on those three services. Thank you, Sean. Any questions for Sean. Did I miss one Craig I feel like I missed one that was a fourth. I think you, you caught them all. Okay. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Sean. Next item is colliers. Craig, thank you for joining us. Absolutely. Thank you for having having me. All right, so I'll start if I may share my screen. Perfect. I'll start with the overall schedule very quickly. So here we are at the red line. In the beginning of February, sorry, it's, there we go. So still in design development approaching the 50% mark, not which will be, you know, in the in March. Also sort of on the topic of schedule. We have a series as you all know we have a series of meetings lined up for this committee and for the design subcommittee kind of joint meetings. In this beginning part of design development to kind of get through a lot of issues very quickly in coordinating the upcoming weeks with the design team. So on the left hand side of my screen, I know it's teeny tiny left hand side is the standing list of meetings. The right hand side is the proposed changes that I wanted to review tonight. Instead of meeting twice a week over the next two weeks, so that'd be February 14 and the 16th. And then again the 21st and 23rd. Proposal to streamline that a little bit. So we would just be meeting on Thursday, the February 16. So we're meeting tonight of course, and then Thursday the 16th so that's next Thursday. Skip the meeting that was going to occur on February vacation and instead push that meeting to March 2. So the, the idea here is in US, the committee will still have the opportunity to view things, and then decide on them sort of into two separate steps. But kind of streamlined a little bit so the reason why we're bringing this up. It's easy to eliminate meetings but moving a meeting from. I think this one was February 23, moving it to March 2 wanted to gauge everyone's availability. If that is doable. Okay, and your revised schedule Craig shows no meeting on February 14. Correct. Okay, George. I will not be able to attend the meeting on the 16th I was kind of hoping it would be on the 14th but as long as there's a quorum I, if I'm the only one and it shouldn't be an issue. Okay. Let's look at the, the proposed swap of the whatever is 21st to March 2. How about the March 2 meeting are people able to attend the March 2 meeting. Okay, I think hearing no dissent so far. We're good on the second. And just want to confirm following up on what George says, are we good other than George on the 16th of February. I'll be unable to make the 16th. Can't make the 16th Xander can't make it George can't make it. So we may have a quorum if Sean can make it. I can make it, Sean. Right. Okay, so let's let's hold the meeting on the hold the meeting on the 16th and Sharon if you can just reach out and let people know and see whether we would in fact have a have a quorum. All right. So, Craig, are you good on that schedule. Yes, thank you. And so what I'll do is I'll clean this up so it doesn't have all the red all over it and I'll reissue it so that everyone's got a nice clean copy. Thank you. I'll stop sharing my screen now that the next item under my reporting is actually some design topics. These are things that we have seen before, or the last meeting or two, the design team is going to walk us through first the location and quantity of interior and exterior renderings. And then after that is done the another look at the gender inclusive restroom layout they have some improvements that they wanted to review with this committee. Right. So I'll turn, I'll turn over the screen to Josephine will you be sharing. Thanks Greg. Yes, I'll be sharing my screen. I'll just interrupt one sec just before you start Sharon Sharon have you been in touch with a FAA about these renderings. I don't think I have. So you have no proposal for the renderings that you would like us to approve. I don't have a proposal from the Capital Campaign Committee, but I don't think I've told FAA yet. Why don't you share with everybody the proposal that you would like us to consider. Sure. And so I think move this conversation along. Okay, so they're looking for seven altogether. I'm just talking about, you know, being able to finagle or negotiate for an extra. So the first one is the front exterior that the existing one for that for that rendering to be updated. The second is for the back exterior the rear exterior, the one that we have now for that to be updated. The new front exterior that would show the historic preservation that would be a brand new rendering. And I think what Tony had suggested was coming from like the center of town that that intersection there. The fourth one is this view from the second floor. But what they're saying is either updating the current stacks on the sawtooth version, or changing the angle to the center, and then looking back towards the new team room. We're looking for one of the restored reading rooms on the second floor the front there. So one of the children's library, a new rendering. That would be lovely. And, and the last one the seventh one is for the barrel vaulted hall, the new rendering there. Okay, thank you for that Josephine did you, did you manage to get all that down. Yep. So why don't you now with that. Everybody has that in, in their mind so to speak why did you walk us through these, these rendering so we'll all have a sense of what it was we were just talking about. And so Tony's going to run us through the renderings. Thank you. We will start on the interior and then move to the exterior. And Tony, you can go ahead. I'm going to go ahead and screen share Josephine. Oh my not yet. Sorry, I thought I thought I clicked on it. There you go. You see that now. Okay, yeah, you can see it. Okay. So this, this level is the primary, you know, entry level. So what we're going to start here is three views, which I think speak to what Sharon just mentioned so on the left side. This is in the children's library area. And I think we're going to be zeroing in in more in this more active zone is kind of outlining where the blue arrows is sort of pointing towards back there because I think that's going to showcase more of the kind of activities and character. The point one is which is in the middle. This is on the main level course in the center but this view is looking back towards the circulation desk and the stair and part of the historic building I think this was requested. You that looked in this direction so this is what we're proposing in this view setup. The third view on the far right is of the barrel vaulted space, pretty much head on view, looking into that double height space so these are the three interior views on the ground floor. We understand Sharon the one view here that you did not mention was this one in particular. Correct. And of course, one of our views will. The important part is that one of our views will be looking back at the original building within the new edition. So we can definitely, you know, continue the conversation but this is what we currently have proposed. So to the second floor, which is primarily adult collection so again starting at the bottom of the page that is a view in the existing historic room looking back towards where the fireplace is seen in that view angle. Okay, excuse me. The next view is in the middle of space this is essentially the view that we've already been using professionally that's going to be modified to reflect the change in the design but it's the one you've already seen. And then the third view is the young adult. So this is the area in the back looking again to try to capture as much of the activity in this space looking towards the right. So this is the, I guess these three plus the three below constitutes six views and we can talk a little bit more about this because I think there is there is, as you said Sharon is a little bit of negotiation we're able to work with our render in terms of a few structure to help save on cost. Tony so Tony Josephine. Maybe. Lovely if we can get everything, all of these that would be great, but regarding the teen room. If, if costs ends up being a thing. That would be the one that the capital campaign committee specifically would like to not do only because their primary goal is to raise money and, and the teens, you know, don't do that for us, but that that's just the capital campaign committee. I haven't spoken with the full jail PC. Understood. So that would be the one that could drop if it proves to be, you know, out of the eight that you really want to get at so this is the ninth. Okay. So then on the exterior, excuse me, please feel free to interrupt if there's any questions so we had discussed an alternate before we go into the reading room because the other historic space of course is the top floor kind of the, which currently is as a classroom because that's a very, it's a very handsome space, you know, has a lot of volume. So the other option could be this, instead of the second floor one doesn't tally up to you but we were just feeling that if you're trying to go for kind of impact this is another thought as an alternate to the second floor reading room at the front so you can either weigh in or think about that but this is an option. Yeah, correct. So does anybody want to weigh in on this question about the third floor, versus the second floor reading room. I would just quickly like to say I'm still in favor of the second floor front reading rooms only because those spaces aren't being used by the public right now and it's a chance for us to say, look at what you've been missing. Let's stick to the second floor one. Hold on a second Tony George. Yeah, echoing what Sharon said you know the the third floor the meeting room is not going to physically look a lot different it's going to be nicer but again the reading room is something that the public has not seen in 3040 years so I would I would still go with the reading room myself. Okay, anybody else want to weigh in on that. Okay Tony it looks like we're good with the trade off of the third floor for the second floor. Got it. Thank you very much. And then I think the last user discusses on the outside. Excuse me. So again, starting with the left. That is the view that we already have, which is going to be you know tweet. We're going to start with site stuff and whatever mother modifications off of Amnesty. The second one is taken from the rear. You know what we also have been seen before but again it's going to modify based on the rework landscape aspects of it, excuse me. And then the third new view is on Amnesty going back to Amnesty on the front, taken from this corner. We're actually thinking that we might frame this a little bit where the bank building in the foreground on the right. Is going to kind of frame this angle shot one we want to emphasize it's in a bigger kind of streetscape context. So having an adjacent even a piece of the Jason building next to I think it's useful. Plus it will actually some ways mitigate somewhat the scale issue because I know this is going to be a question from the historical commission. So I think it will actually make the appearance of the addition part fairly modest in this view which I think is important. It's not going to deny that you're going to see stuff but we're going to just simply say that when you actually see it from the public realm on that side of the view, it is pretty modest. So this is our intent. So. Yeah, there's what it what is the dotted line. Oh, that was, that was an alternate view that was I think discussed that some some might have been concerned well, you know, the rear view we're taking from is from basically the, you know, a strong museum corner is not on your property but we're thinking that you know that one advantage of that strong view corner is that it shows the whole design. So for example, the view on the rear just to where the pathway Kim's from CDS lot. It's going to be pretty cut off because you're going to just versus a lot of landscape in the foreground second, you won't kept for the full design and it's going to be primary looking towards the, you know, foreground and it's going to be being a bit of the entrance that places the view in your property proper but we just think it's probably not going to be as effective view certainly from a, from a marketing selling standpoint from fundraising, because it's that's almost in my way of thinking it's more like informational view, but it's not going to be nearly as dramatic as the view we already have in the rear. Okay, Sharon. No, Tony answered my question. Thank you. So, no, before you before you go. So you are content with the three views that are shown in the solid lines. Yeah, we do like those three and Tony just convinced me about the North prospect parking lot the dotted line, we can let that go. I do have, I do have a question going back to the first floor that picture taken facing the Cirque desk into the, you know, towards the Amity Street entrance. I'm feeling like if costs need to be cut. That is another one that could be cut. Okay. Okay, I think we can look at that for you and come up with an updated proposal Sharon. But again, we're hopeful that because three out of these seven eight views already been recreated that the render is definitely going to save money for us because they're just going to rework those views already that were done. Awesome. We hope that we can get you eight views within the budgetary constraints but we'll, but we'll, you know, we'll we'll price it accordingly and tell you what it is. Anybody else want to ask a question or weigh in on these renderings. Okay. Alex. Yeah. So I just had a question about the rendering for the children's space and it was more just was it felt that the biggest bang for the buck is the new sort of activity room versus, you know, the old space leading out to a plate like I guess. That particular area and is that the best bang for our buck. Part of it. It's a really great question now it's part of it is that, you know, as you can see based on our current plan layout in the historic part of the library. It's essentially a lot of bookshelf stacks in there even though they're low. So in some ways the, and of course this could be subject to more design but right now at the moment. What you're going to see if you take it from the historic part looking back, for example, you're going to have a fair amount of just stacks in that view because of the way it's currently designed. Now, if you were standing like at the Cirque desk, for example, it's another view, possibly considered where just means marking looking back towards the near the new part now looking back. So we could we could establish that as another view but what happens there is that at the moment again at the moment there is computer stations and foreground. There's some seating, of course you have the Cirque desk, and you're viewing back across the whole children's library. So that is another possibility one of the things that as we're looking at these use of internally we're trying to ascertain what showcases the best. The reason I think a part we chose the back portion, because we felt that provided the greatest opportunity to capture more the range of activity so there will be children sitting at tables there'll be book stacks there will be children in maybe more furniture. So there's going to be a kind of a variety but we can we can look at this again more carefully about what we're trying to do with this view. Because I know the children obviously very important space so we try to figure out how to showcase it the best possible way. Sharon. If we get backing on Alex, it would be super awesome. If you could get, you know, a view from the back in the newer part all the way through to the historic, so that you could show people that they're getting the new and the old but I do understand that the stacks are there. Why don't we, why don't we take a little closer look at this again, we know that this this one program space is the one that probably quite a little bit this more scrutiny. I think we have to force some change in the furniture layout frankly for the benefit of the perspective we will do that. So we will we will modify the perspective to showcase it the best possible even if the plan shows something here but as you well know, at this certain state of this project. There's still a lot that has to be flushed out yet. Great. So why don't we, why don't we zero in on this a little bit more carefully. Come back to you on that but but we know we want a space rendering in this space somehow. Great. All right. Thank you all. Craig Tony Josephine. Next. Sorry, Sean. Yeah, thanks Austin I am. I failed to bring up. We did have an invoice that needs approval from fine gold. It's a possible if I bring it up now so we can vote on that. Sure. Okay, I'll share my screen real quick. Josephine do you. Can you stop sharing for once? Oh, do I need to let go for you to take over. I didn't want to be rude and just take it. Take it over. All right. So this is invoice from fine gold Alexander architects through December 31st of 2022. It's consistent with the contract that we have in place with them. That's for $20,750. So Sean you want to move it's approval. We move that we approve the December invoice from fine gold Alexander architects. A second please. Second. Okay, any discussion. Okay, ready to vote to approve yeses to approve no is not Sean. Yes. Sharon. Yes. Christine. Yes. Thank you, Alex. Yes. Thank you, George. Yes. Thank you and Austin votes. Yes. Thank you, Sean. Thank you. Okay, Craig, back to you. Thank you. And I'll pitch the mic back to find gold Alexander to show off the, some of the improvements they've made to the gender inclusive toilet layout. Right. I realized that we had some images that we inserted as well. That we didn't talk to Tony. Yeah, sorry. So this, this for example, is the view angle from the front. The alternate one shows shows the foreground context. And you can see here how when we show the new addition into this, it's going to be pretty modest. But it's some, it's a view along that lines. And these are just quick snapshots from our metaphor scan. This shows that reading room on the second floor. Yeah. Just, I mean, I know you know this, but. Sorry, I can a second. And then this is the one that we, we, we are not doing, but of course that's your major. Yeah. Space on the top. Okay. So let's talk about the bathroom gender. That's the bathroom update. So we took into account the discussion points from last week. And here's how we revised it. And I'm going to just try to explain this. And Justin, if you've just dragged your mouse across it, that's fine. So we still have the entrance, of course, coming from the right in the public realm. The big difference that we looked at here is first and foremost, we do have nine stalls shown and we did a review on the code issues and we do need this number. But the way we've handled it is so the family restroom. In this redesign has been shifted. To the front corner. So in other words, when you come into the. Gender neutral bathroom, the first one you basically get at is the family restroom. So that enables. Folks to really. Get into that part first. Before even having to go into the rest of the restroom, while still contained within the overall restroom family. So we're going to move into the rest of the layout. You can see here, we've organized the jiggered the, the layout to fit still the nine. Stalls we're trying to address the fact that, you know, in the eight, eight stalls, we have, you know, sufficient area for changing tables, fold down tables. Of course, the family restroom has its own sink and fall down table. And we've also cleaned up the. The sink area to, before we had kind of a U shape configuration, we believe this is better this L shape because it affords more room to move around. It's more generous. I still provides a six sinks. And then we jiggered some of the door openings into the stalls so that we didn't have the conflict of doors overlapping other doors for to get the corners. So I think that the gist of it is that we believe that this layout. Response to the comments from last week, we still have a tentative disclose in the bottom and then in place of the former family restroom in the upper right. That is converted back to gallery storage. As we previously discussed. So this, this is the revised accommodation for the layout. Great. Thank you, Tony. Thank you to you and your colleagues for your work on this. So questions, observations about this. Sorry. Yeah. Thanks Tony for working and working on this. I just. You have another one down below. And my issue with this one is still the way the doors open and close at the bottom that if you're in those bottom center stalls, you could be opening the stall to come out and there's doors kind of opening in front of you. It's a little pinchy. And that above the janitorial closet. I believe you have a child changing station there and that it just seems kind of small because the any time anytime I'm changing a child, I always usually have a stroller with me and that stalls just a little small to fit the stroller to also be changing that child. Thank you, Christine. Tony. I think that the. The opening of the door question. We can take another look at that, but I think that. Visibly the idea of having one door open in front of the other. I mean, I think we're trying to. Tighten this, not tighten this down. Excuse me, trying to make as much accommodation to all of these aspects. I mean, I think the, you know, you know, you know, the area that we are, you know, as you can see the pinch point is, you know, could we tighten down the janitor's closet a little bit more perhaps to engender a little bit more grace. We can take another look at that. If there's a way to even diminish the janitor's closet a little bit further to in order to still gain more room. There was one alternate layout. You're correct. Which I don't know, Joseph. You want to pull up. There was the alternate. There was a group of them in a row. They were in a row. They were in a row. They were in a row. They were in a row. It's a different layout configuration. Here, what we're showing is that still coming in from the right hand side. But in this scenario, now the janitor's causes moved to the. North and plan North. And, and the family restroom again is the. First one that you encounter when you're coming into the. Restroom configuration, but then once you could go past that. And you turn. And the internal layout is now we've actually organized all six sinks in a row. So they're not bent in an L. And therefore the other question that you had a Christian relation to door. Conflicts in the size of the. Handicap style. This allows us to have slightly larger. Handicap stalls at the bottom and the doors do not conflict. So this was an alternate layout. I think the only side caveat is that when you come out of the art gallery, you're going to have a different layout. And then you're going to have a different layout. And then you're going to have a different layout. And then you're going to have different layers to the janitor's closet. But other than that. This is a reconfiguration in a different layout. Okay. Other thoughts about. Yeah. George. Yeah, I'm actually more in favor of this version. Partially because. At least now the janitorial closet is on the same. I think it's more spacious. Or you would have to either navigate stairs or the elevator with a mud bucket. But I, I. I tend to like this layout a bit better. I think it's more. It appears more spacious for mobility. As well. Right. Sharon. Yeah, I agree with George. I like the, the bigger stalls. The doors aren't. You know, I don't think I would have noticed that. I would have noticed that. I would have noticed that. Beautiful. My guys are accustomed to carrying mop buckets downstairs. So. I wasn't going to argue that, but I like this better. Thank you. Alex. I just want to echo. I definitely, I, I initially liked D one better because it felt like it had more of an open flow and less of the sort of pinch point when you're walking in, but. I probably would have liked to take a look at the way it was. I like to see that in my work. I like to see those as the, as the details of the ADA stalls and definitely prefer the larger ADA stalls. I assume within, and again, maybe not too soon, but will, will we be able to do one of the sinks. In that row to be. A slightly lower. Sink. I don't know if that's appropriate for. Yes. Okay. So. In order to accommodate somebody. Yes. Great. Thanks. And thank you again. I really appreciate the grit and fortitude to continue to work this out for us. So thank you very much. I appreciate it. So, Alex, again, just so I'll be clear, you're inclined towards this alternative that we're now being shown. D2, correct. Thanks very much, Christine. Yeah, my favorite is also the D2. Again, it just all the doors seem to be clear. I like the two large ADA stalls at the bottom with the room for changing stations with strollers. And I like how there's an extra large. The other stall on the upper right. And, yeah, it, you know, it leads you in on a little bit of a tight corridor there. But I think it fits everything nicely and it's very intuitive. Thank you, Tony. Thank you, Sean. I like this one, too. I think this one responds to everything that we raised and it's yeah, it's very good use of space. So this is my favorite. And I'll just say for myself, Tony, this is. I like it a lot. I think you've responded. And I think it's really quite an ingenious design, which really heard what has been said over a couple of meetings and has managed to, I think, accommodate suggestions, which at least initially seemed to be moving in different directions. So it just seems like this is a really terrific. Proposal does that this give you now enough to move forward to do whatever other work you need? And are we going to hear about the plumbing variance issue? Craig? Yes. Right. So the first question to Tony and his team sounds like, yes, you guys have enough direction to keep moving on. Yes, we do. The second question, second part of your question, Austin. So we reached out to the local plumbing inspector, Ray Shipman, and and he responded that as predicted or as as anticipated, any use that is not specifically listed in the mass plumbing code regarding gender and design will require a variance. So he has sort of given us the the green light to proceed to the next step and applying for variance with the plumbing board. I think, as I mentioned last week, that is that will be an additional service. And so if we if it pleases the committee, we can ask Fine Gold Alexander to assemble a proposal to guide us guide the project through that process. It is something that we would like to do during design. So like the sooner, the better. So I'll put that I'll take a moment to see if anyone's going to any questions. The thoughts. So just to be clear, so that I'm clear, we can't do what we're now saying we want to do without going through this variance process. Correct. And that has been confirmed with the plumbing sector. And do you have Craig from your experience any sense of what the extra cost roughly would be? I do not. Josephine, do you have a figure in mind or a range where you would anticipate just sort of an order of magnitude, I think would be helpful. I don't at the moment. I can certainly get you one pretty quickly. Yeah, let's get it as quickly as we can get it. That would be that that would be great. Given given that we need to do this, we need to do this. Greg. Yes. Very good. Next items. Just a quick report on the plan for temporary library space. So nothing definitive to report. But Sharon and I have been working towards identifying. So the Sharon had previously identified the needs. We had previously reached out to the market to see what was available. Sharon has rekindled that effort. Once we know it's in the market, the next step will be to identify some of the best opportunities and then secure those spaces as the as the schedule sort of indicating now is around the time start doing that. So hopefully in the next over the next couple of weeks, we'll have more definitive reports to give you on that. Great. And then last thing is the question with the tally report. This would be another additional service. Josephine, do you have an approximate fee for that for that effort? I will get you that ASAP as well. Great, great. Again, another great thing about having kind of these rapid fire meetings is information can can come back to you guys pretty quick. And then the last one, which I think, Craig, thank you. Just hold on a second. Sean, can you just remind me what the tally report is again? Josephine, would you want me? Yeah, please respond to that. So the tally report is one of the pieces of software we use to run the building analysis for the life cycle assessment of the of the building. And we had done that back in 2020 for the sustainability report, and we would put that information into the proposal for the app service. So is this essentially to kind of take the current assumptions around the mechanical systems and everything like that and sort of test it or kind of project it out and see how it comes out? That's correct. Yeah, thank you. OK. All right, Craig, back to you. Thank you. And then the last thing I just wanted to address this process of meeting weekly and the design team providing information a couple of days in advance has been working very well, I think. Unfortunately, I dropped the ball this week as everyone on the committee knows they received their draft presentation about 30 minutes before the meeting. So I apologize for that to prevent. So we do have a couple more of these meetings to prevent that happening again. I was trying to brainstorm about how what to do. And I thought, perhaps if it's OK with with you, Austin, the design team can copy you on the draft presentation. And then if you see that I haven't responded or done something with it, you can you can give me a nudge. Alternatively, we could have the design team distribute it to the entire committee, also find whatever you guys think is best. Well, I think it should be distributed to the entire committee. And if I followed what you said, I'm happy to nudge you to do something. But I'd like not to be in a position where I have the nudge you to do it. So I would actually suggest that the nudge come from internal the colliers rather than from us. So what I so the second idea I propose is that find Gold Alexander, instead of sending to me and then our colliers and then colliers forwarding on to the committee. Just for the next couple of meetings, just have it go directly from find Gold Alexander copy colliers, but then go to the. OK, so that doesn't we don't have to nudge you to nudge them. Right. OK, that's fabulous. And who's going to nudge them? So I'll let them. OK, that's we have. We have. Exactly. We have weekly meetings and we we talk about what happened this time is they sent me the email as promised and it just languished in my. That's fine. That's fine. That's I think I think that's a venal, not immortal sin. So I think you're good. And that's all for me. OK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you to our good colleagues from FAA yet another very hopeful and very impressive piece of work. So thank you very much. So we're now down to item six subcommittee reports. My good colleague and friend, Christine, we have a report from the design subcommittee. Nothing to report. Thank you. Thank you, Christine. Alex outreach. So the only thing is more of a question in terms of process. So as part of outreach, we are trying to stay connected with our partners in the Burnett Art Gallery with our partners at the Strong House with our partners in terms of we have two staff members within the library who are acting as liaisons for the entire staff to be collecting feedback. So I guess, one, I don't know that we're necessarily passing the feedback onto this entire group, you know, I don't I guess I want to know the process of making sure the feedback gets where it needs to be and the people who need to see it are seeing it. Well, it would kind of depend on what the feedback is. I mean, if the feedback is what I would describe as technical, then I think the right vehicle is to communicate the feedback to the library director and through the library director to FAA or to Craig. If the feedback is conceptual, you know, move a room or do something different, then that feedback needs to come to our whole committee, I would think. Yeah, I mean, by way of example, you know, we got specific feedback from the Children's Department about colors and, you know, the whole primary versus, you know, so I mean, so I know for me personally as a committee member, it's been helpful to see information coming when I'm making these having to make these decisions, I'm doing it in the context of what the staff is saying or what the Burnett Art Gallery is saying. So yeah, I think maybe the default is that the feedback should be passed to either the design subcommittee or the committee. We should all know what it is that is being said. Again, if it's at the level of, you know, have the door handles here or the door handles there, I don't think that's but questions of color or questions like that. I think we all want to know about it. Right, flooring, flooring choices, things like that. Yeah. OK. Thank you. OK, so next item is correspondence. No, no, no letters that I know of no correspondence, no topics, non-intensivated 48 hours in advance, but it looks like we have 10 attendees. Again, very grateful for people's attention. This is now an opportunity for public comment. If any member of the public would wish to speak, if you would signify by raising your virtual hand, Bob Pam, let's bring Bob in if we can. Bob. At the end of the last meeting, I had forwarded a photograph of another library's children's room and I was just asking whether that was passed on to you. Thank you, Bob. So FAA, you got the answer. Yes. Whole line would say that Bob FAA Craig, did you get that? It's not ringing a bell. Sharon. I can send it again. I don't know that I sent. No, I think I sent it to FAA. Was it the one with the little castle in the corner? Yeah. Yeah. OK, yeah. Now it is ringing a bell. Oh, yep. OK, so again, just to be clear, it's it's in the process. FAA has it. Craig, you have it. Right. That's fine. That's all I wanted to know. Thank you, Bob. Thanks for doing that. It was actually a lovely view. Thank you very much. OK, any other member of the public, I see no hands. Again, thank you to everybody who's attended. I think we are we are we are done any other business that I'm missing. OK, so thank you very much. Stay well. Happy Valentine's Day. We look forward to seeing you soon. Thank you all. Good night.