 Check it, check it, check it, this is Unique Hustler, she's your boy E-CEO and I'm here with the lovely official, Mr. Mako, what's going on? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm Adele, I'm going with you. Hey, man, say I'm loving that hat, man, real top, man, I don't know. Do something else, man, you are, you cease to amaze me, man, so check it, man, man, you know, God been good, man, let's just say that, man, to be even here today, man, every day that we stand above ground instead of underground, hey, man, hey, man, we got to let it, give homage, man. Say, check it, man, we, hey, we got a special, special guest in here today, man, you know, this guy right here, man, you know, he slid through the other week, I had to bring him back. He didn't come to be on the show because he's doing a lot of things, this ain't no regular nigga right here, this nigga right here, a talented man, say, man, no shame, what's up, baby, what you doing here, man? Hey, Mr. Trust, your hook man, the big man. You know, I ain't going to lie to you, man, when you came last week, man, and XO was here, and she was like, y'all need to be interviewing him, like this nigga, he was like, I'm like, wait a minute, I'll slap on this guy, and you know, and then when you said something, you know, when you said, you do all the hooks, I never knew that. Yeah, man. That's what this platform for to expose everything that needs to be exposed. Oh, man, you know. You know, we got a show for the fact of what's really going on. I never heard of a hook man. What? I knew you had a hook man. Nate Dogg. I don't know. You never heard of Nate Dogg? I know who Nate Dogg is, but I didn't know it was a hook man. At night, baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's the hook man. That's it. Nate Dogg raised me. Man, hook man. It wouldn't be no Snoop Dogg if it wasn't a Nate Dogg. Because I saw people that's write the songs, and they write the hook, and that's it. Well, it would be a Snoop Dogg, but it wouldn't be the same Snoop Dogg. Now, man, you know, the hook man is what makes the song. That's what people remember. That's what people are going to remember. Yeah. What's the song that 50 Cent did with Nate on that hook man? Uh, 21 questions. Hey, girl. Say it. Hey! If it's easy to love me now. Yeah. If it's easy to love me, it falls down. And out. Put you still. So when you say somebody's a hook man, do you write the hooks? Yeah, I mean, sometimes you write the hooks, sometimes you sing the hooks, but you're still the hook man. The hook man. Okay. I mean, so let's just talk about it a little bit. You come from Dallas, Texas. Absolutely. So let's talk about it. By way of Pleasant Grove. Okay. That's what I wanted to get into. Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about it. How you humble beginnings. You know what I'm saying? We got to talk about humble beginnings. Oh, yeah, man. So how did it start out for you for, you know, just coming up the area you say Pleasant Grove? Yeah. What were going down with that? Well, I started out, you know, a church baby, you know. Okay. We started singing, especially us as black folks. We started in the church. So that was just something that I picked up on. I was in the youth choir, had one of the best musicians to teach kids how to sing, you know, how to hold a note, how to, you know, transition and how to harmonize. And so I always give my flowers to what we call sister Snead, Monica Snead. Shout out to Monica Snead. Yeah. Monica Snead, one of the best pianists as well as directors I've ever been around. Wow. Did you used to want to become like a gospel singer or anything like that? I was at one point in time. I was there, but I feel like I'm all of that built into one. I'm not just a gospel singer. I'm a soul singer. I'm a master hookman. Master hookman, but you could roll with any way you want to go. Or any way you want to go pop. Versatile. Versatile. Whatever. You rap? Yeah. Yeah. The one thing I can say about the guy that does this, you know what I mean? Without him, he's right. The music don't go. Man. You know, that you lay on the chorus somewhere. Yeah. I mean, you don't really catch people so into the lyrics of the song. They want to hear what's going to be repetitive. That's right. And so the hook, you know, you got to hear that at least three, four times throughout the song. What's your most popular hook that you think that sticks out when people think about no shame? It'll probably be Trillian Princewick. I'm in love with my money. They used to do call me Mr. Hit That. Yeah. That would probably be one. But I also doing. Oh, now. Me and Mo3. I don't trust these hoes because they some scandalous scandalous bitch eyes. Oh, yeah. You hit that with him. Yeah. So that one. I never knew that because they don't really, you don't talk about the guy that does the hook a lot of time. Yeah. Yeah. You know, but Snoopnium did. Yes. But a lot of other people don't do that. They don't highlight that person because most of the time they want them to be left in the background. They want that song. Man, I don't have cats tell me, hey, man, don't sing that much on it because, you know, if you ain't third, you know, we can't perform it with you singing like that. So, you know, kind of saying it like you're rapping it. Because they can't hit them. No. Because they can't do what you do. Right. So I want to highlight and you got to respect anybody out here, man, that's doing these hooks, man. Like respect them on the same level that you respect the main artist or the main character because without them. It's a no go. Yeah. But then when people doing these hooks, though, OK, so somebody come out with a song, they're rapping and they have somebody on the hook. Do they normally put a feature in such and such? They don't even put these names. You know what? Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't. Because sometimes they misspell your name. Sometimes they, I mean, I haven't been through the ringer. Yeah, because a lot of time when I'm listening to songs, I thought it's that person who was rapping probably switched it up and did it himself. No, they can't do it like that. But people don't know. They don't always know unless you're in that music industry. If you're in the music industry or you have that air for music, you might know. But somebody who's just listening, it's a regular person who's listening, oh, that's a cool song. They might not know. Yeah. And then most of the time they don't highlight that person as a feature as they would like an artist who's featuring on another verse. Right. Right. But let's be real. Let's be real for a minute. I really think you're selling yourself short if you just do the hooks because at the end of the day, the guy's talented. He's very. So you can do songs and do your ass hook. Absolutely. And just go to work and you trying to help somebody. Exactly. That's why you like, okay, you passive and effective. Yeah. Because you say, and I'm going to help this person. But do you get paid for the hook? Yes, you do. Yeah, absolutely. But at the end of the day, you still can't forget about what God put in you. Absolutely. That's the part. I really got to say, you know, like Nate, though, I love the fact that he was the hook man. Yeah. But I'd love to see more projects where he did the whole thing. Exactly. And he did some. He did. One of my favorite albums is that their first Nate dog. Yeah. Yeah. Where Never Leave Me Alone was on there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and, and black card Steve otter Houston. Shout out to boys. Yes, sir. Yeah, I rock with everybody man. That's not about balls talk. 101 En过 letter. My real bosses. Going to be in that seat after I read about you know how I hear about. Like the format of music like like, like, like, like, you know, like when the Motown back in the day, you know what I'm saying? You know, Barry Gordy and all them people. Like you used to have music that was kind of all over the place, but when Motown started, they started making music that was repetitive. You know, you gotta come back to Sugar Pie, honey. Hey! You know that I love you. Yeah, you gotta get in there. Oh, I can't help myself. I love you and nobody else. Yes, son! That boy got the whip bite! Let me tell you something. That boy don't need no autotune. You gotta use... I am not a rap person, but R&B... That boy went there, boy. You tell him. Let me tell you something about R&B. Like, you can sing, sit down here, which I want to hear you sing me some, because I do want to cry, although I had on my eyeball makeup. You got three more interviews today. No, but baby, I got three more interviews today. I'll run home and fix my makeup. I don't even worry about it. I'm gonna tell you, R&B will make me single, make me shiver and make me, you know, but rap? No. Like, mode three? All right. Let me tell you, let me tell you. I did not look on mode three until someone told me he can sing. Once they told me he can sing, I was on his Instagram, check it. I'm like, man, he can sing. He can really sing. And I'm not talking about... I don't like the generation we're in, so to say where, and he knows where I'm gonna go, where, you know, rappers are singing. And what I consider singing is R&B singing not auto-tune singing. You know what I mean? Because auto-tune singing don't do anything for me. That's not gonna make me shiver. That's not gonna make me feel you. That's not gonna make me do any of that. When I hear your natural talent and hear that voice coming across and feel like you singing right to me, I'm gonna be like... Yeah, that's different. It just hits differently. Yeah, man, but that auto-tune, man. But I'm older. The newer generation. Oh, man, that's Bobby Billions, man. That auto-tune, them niggas. What that song they doing to that boy outside? Yeah. That's a cold joint. I got some twists and turns in auto-tune, too, don't it? It does. But I like it, man. Also, Bobby does... He sings, too, though. Yeah. He has him and his brother, both of them, cold. Cold with. You know, when you've been in the church, man, like people don't know, you can get some of your best training. Yes, sir. Church, man. Yes, sir. That's what most of them start. If people wanna actually have their kids know how to sing, they know they gotta get up and sing every other Sunday. You're a Sunday. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they gotta, when you get to the big choir, you know, you're constantly going to practice. This is what it's all about, practice. Yeah. That old boy, L.J. Elkles, last night, he was in that choir. He started, he started off in the choir. Everybody come from that choir, don't you? He had a church band that he was in. Yeah, I've been there. I was in the church. Oh, I can tell. Oh, yeah. What was your favorite church song that you were singing? Oh, definitely. No weapon formed against me. Come on now. Shall prosper, no, no, no. It won't work, say no weapon formed against me. Shall prosper. Boy, wait a minute. See, that's what I'm talking about. See, you listen, man. You y'all niggas better listen to this, man. Hey, take him to school. These boys are going to school with that. Are you a tenor? I think they did both a while ago. I'm a second alto. I heard you, man. I said, man, that man, we're going, he twisted your voice up on me a while ago. Yeah, I can drop down. Can you do the bass? Yeah. Man, this boy's bad, man. I like when they can do all of them and keep going around. The boy's bad, man. You know what I'm saying? And that's Dallas, Texas, man. We got some real talent here. And I'm going to be honest with y'all. Yeah, you got your Nate Dogg that was out there. I ain't trying to, I'm not trying to knock no cities. You got your, you got your H-Town boys, man. Cause it's God just put something in the, you people. Yeah. People like you, man. Like I said, Nate, boy, I don't know. You, man, Nate Dogg, man, was a cold dude. You cold, and I'm comparing that because y'all got talent, man. You Fred Hammond, man, all these boys, man. Hey, Donnie McClurkin. Come on, man. Smoking, know my flow. Smoking, know my flow. But we go back, you know, R&B, you start going to R&B, you see Dave Hollister. What? That raised me. You see what I'm saying? I'm just telling you, there was a lot of cats out here that, Gerald LaVert, I keep going. It was a lot, man, we had Marvin Gates. I ain't nothing like a big nigga that can sing. Oh boy, you said that nigga, them niggas go hard, man. Yeah, them niggas go hard, man. The big niggas, man, all the way from Heavy D. He the one that brought Biggie in. People don't like to say it. They were, Biggie, man, he came in with this Chubb Rock. It was some niggas that played for Biggie, and niggas don't really say it, Chubb Rock. Yeah. You don't hear me? You gotta be big and fly out here. Say, man, the big niggas man won back in the 90s too. It was some big niggas I was rocking with. They made me out to step my game up. Cause Biggie started a bunch of it. I ain't gonna lie to you, the fly niggas come from Biggie. Like this nigga was, he would change the whole, you could be a good looking nigga and get messed up because of Biggie. Biggie had something called swag and debonair. You know, you couldn't outlaw it. Mugly swag. Yeah, you couldn't, and when the nigga come, it's like, I'm taking, I'm sucking all oxygen out the room. That's the way he done it. He did that. Yeah, but then that helped a whole bunch of people with insecurities too. Cause Mike Jones was on here, and he said that. He's like, man, I said, who your number one? He said Biggie. I'm like, nigga, you from Texas. Nigga time, Biggie, he said, man, that nigga, cause Mike Jones, I forgot the nigga was big. And he said that nigga helped him when he came down to his career as a man, the way he carries himself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mike Jones, man, say. That nigga was, man, that was a bad nigga, nigga. Yeah, bro. He was just on here. The best promoting rapper I ever seen in my life. I got a nigga, the marketing manager, the marketing genius award. I'm the only nigga ever gave him something for that. Because that Nova, I'm throwin' on it now. I bet he felt that though. He did, man. Cause ain't nobody ever recognized him for it, but nobody marketed like that guy did to me. No, facts. Because you can't say his name anywhere. And say his number anywhere. And his number. And his number, everybody knows that number. From the youngest to the oldest. That's it, that's it. And that's something that stuck out to me. Let's get back to you though. I wanna talk about how you rolled over into this management thing. You know, cause the artists really that been through the fire make the best managers to me. Exactly. And I glowed easy when he was over the other day. It's the ones who already been through the process. Like I'd be trying to hit set up a Johnny Light show. Like people who already been through the process, they already done been, they done went through why they missed out on something. Exactly. They done went through why they done been in them studios all night. So they, who better to coach these people who up and coming then. People like. But how long were you an artist before you actually became a manager? Oh, I've been an artist for the last 20 years. Before you became a manager. Yeah. Before I've been a manager. And I done been through the ups. That's what I'm talking about. And the downs. You know, I done been through the ends and the outs when it relates to dealing with the bad side of the industry. I wouldn't want my artists to go through what I've been through. Yeah. And so you gonna protect. Give me an example of some of the bad things that you have been through that you're protecting your now artist. That's a good question. Oh man. From. Give me the worst thing that you've ever been through. I would say like a fake beef, you know. So I, back in the day, like I think 2009 I had won, like I won this contest. Like it was a $10,000 contest. What? I beat out like. What year? About this is 2009. Oh yeah. 2009, 10,000 would do it. Yeah, no. Yeah, nice. But it was supposed to be a whole promo package where I was supposed to travel to Houston, Atlanta, a couple of other cities and states if you won the package. So I won it. You know, I won the contest. I beat out about, I think 60 artists at Club 1919. Oh yeah. Yeah. We're short dealing in our limb. But there was a lady, you know what I'm saying? Who was the promoter? Well, she basically ran out on the DJ coalition. They were supposed to get half of the money from the show and she was supposed to get half of the money. Well, she dipped out. And so they didn't want to hold up their end of the bargain and we all had paperwork, you know what I'm saying? And so I wouldn't want to mention that the DJs and all this stuff like that because we, I've been through that. But I feel like that was one of the things that kind of put a downer on my actual career. Because, you know, they put out the artist to not eff with in 2010 is no shame. You know, this is from a whole coalition. And it was all from that because I got legal with them. You know, they didn't expect from me to have be lawyer up and different things like that. So I was like, I said, how y'all expect me to move if it wasn't my deal. I wasn't the person to do this. I'm just expecting what we signed for. And so, you know, I ended up actually letting it all go, you know, and not tripping on it, you know, so not pushing it just because I feel like I didn't want the backlash. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I still feel like I still got it. Still got the backlash. I still got it. You know what I'm saying? So is it something that a round table conversation couldn't have took care of if y'all guys? Well, we did. We talked and we, the coalition is out of Houston. So my manager at the time, Ms. Chandra, she kind of was like, hey, let's do this. And I was seeing that Ms. Chandra, she, you know, she kind of like, you know, played a part of, you know, trying to work everything out. But I still feel like they still had it in the back of their minds. Cause when I'm sending them records, you know, I'm not getting the same response I was giving before. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You could feel that they still hadn't forgiven it. Yeah. See, you can feel unforgiveness. Yeah. You can feel it. And you don't even have to say it. And you can say, I forgive you. And not really forgive. And you can still feel. Yeah. The unforgiveness. It's a feeling. It's an energy. Yeah. See God give us a spirit of discernment. See I go there. I understand what's going on. No fact. You know, cause it's a discernment. You can feel the fact of you haven't been forgiven even though you were told. And I've been through those situations. I probably expressed them to you over the year about different things that I did to people where I know in the streets, I heard some people. And I was like, man, I changed, man. And I'm sorry for what I did. But after I told them I was sorry and I went through that whole situation, like you just said, when I went back around them, I could still feel that that was some, there was a lot of tension and stress and annoyance. Annoyance. Forgiveness, I think forgiveness takes time though. Because just because you guys think about it, if somebody feel hurt by someone and you just say, you know what? I'm sorry. Right. They're looking at, okay, is this person for real? Yeah, it turns into a resentment. Is that true? You know, because they have to watch. Cause some people will say, I'm sorry just to say I'm sorry. You know what I mean? Just to get back in good graces and really don't really mean that they're sorry. So some people are looking at you and being like, okay, actions speak louder than words. So let me see. Right. You make recompense for what you, you know. Exactly. My show, I'm glad God don't work like that. Yeah, baby. Once God, God said, if you forgive him, he say, behold, I give to you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatsoever you bound on earth, shall be bound in heaven. And whatsoever you loose on earth, shall be loosed on in heaven. And the reason he said that, because he lets it go far from the east, still from the west. Okay. It's just the person that we're dealing with, do they have a relationship with God? Human beings. Yeah. That's what it boils down to. I just took it there. Right. Just to show you what it really is in my, see that's my belief. I don't know. Everybody may not feel that belief. I mean, I can agree with you on many levels, but I mean, it's just like once resentment set in, you know what I'm saying? That's something that has to be a gradual thing for whoever the person that is that's reciprocating. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's just giving them their time to process. So have you talked to any of these guys since then? I mean, I talked to some of the DJs. Okay. But I just... They're in Houston. Yeah, some of them in Houston, some of them in Dallas. Some of them in Dallas. Because some of these people you might have to deal with again, because you now manage and have to go ahead so you're going to deal with. But hold on, before you get into that though, my thing is, okay, so going through that situation, how can you protect someone as an artist from going through, because you had all your paperwork, you did not know that this was going to happen. Did you have all your paperwork? I did. You give them that in the road? Yeah, but no, he said he signed them. Yeah, he signed them. Did you read them? You made them? Yeah, yeah, that's why it was illegal. Right. I was going to say, who done up the paperwork? Well, the lady who was over the whole competition. Did she get it notarized? She didn't think that, what it is, she didn't think I held on to the paperwork. Oh, but you had it. Because you know, I don't take, I could get you to sign something here now and it's going to agree with you. Exactly. But how can you protect someone from this? Because you did not know this was going to happen. And this, you can go into any situation like this. I mean, because it's happened to me before, one, I know not to put my artist in a position to where they have to do that in order to get on, period. We building, we got a budget for what we trying to do. At that time, I was just a starving artist who was looking for a shot. Man, look, you go to places like K-104, you know, I had a lady spent in my record and then one day at a contest, where I won a $500, mind you, I'm homeless at the time. Where the song Jump Judy was broke down in East Texas. Jump Judy, that's what the exo said, Jump Judy. Yeah, that was a song that I did that me and Maybach, we did and it broke down in East Texas before it broke here. So the radio station picked it up and it was like, okay, look, we'll spin it on Street Swag Sunday. So one of the ladies, the lady who was spinning over there, she came to the show one night and she said, what's your budget? And I said, really? Like I ain't got no budget, I'm homeless. And she just looked me in my eyes and she was like, well, if your record go continue to spin on this radio station, then you gonna have to kick out $500. So I was like at that time, like I'm winning this $500 tonight. I'm, you know, I'm going to get something to eat. I'm looking at my car, man. People don't know the struggle of being an artist, man. Oh, you ready to eat, I'm a big boy too. Yeah, I gotta eat, man. Gotta eat. Some people wanted the money. She wanted the money. Wow, that's horrible. Yeah, so. You hear these stories all the time. I mean, what's that girl named, that Haddon girl, when Kevin Hart gave us money when she was homeless sleeping in the car? What's that Haddon girl name? What's your girl Shamaria? Something Haddon. Dietrich. No, the bald headed one. She bald headed now. I don't forgot her name. You know the one who be on our girl trip and all that? Oh, you talking about Tiffany Haddish. Tiffany Haddish, I had the right last name. Yeah, Haddish. I knew exactly what you were talking about. That's the one she was homeless in her car, like you saying, and somebody throwed us something. That's heavy, man. Yeah, it's heavy, but it also is a part of the story. It's humbling. It's humbling, but I don't want my artist to have to go through that. You know what I'm saying? Look, man, I did an interview and I told somebody at the time I was doing hooks for Trillie and Prince Rick. Once we did, called me, Mr. Hit That. Yeah. Walk around the club, F everybody. Which one was you on? No, I wasn't on either one of those. I was on like two or three. A couple more, they told him on the album. But I ended up doing a hook just for a griffin meal. Cause I was down that day. I had hungry. For them? Yeah. They did that? Yeah. For a griffin meal? For a griffin meal. I ain't gonna lie, that griff's good. I don't know, I don't know. That's his favorite burger. Oh. But to do that, I don't know. That's terrible. Was it something that you felt that it had to be done that way? It was just at the time, man. I was like in a really bad place. Like people don't know, man. Like when you are out there and you're homeless, like you, and you're still trying to figure it out. You know what I'm saying? You're still trying to regain your wits. You know, you do whatever you can to survive. How did you get out of it? I mean... What was it that you did that got you out? I got an opportunity. I ended up actually becoming a salesman. And so I realized I had the gift of gab. I knew how to talk. I knew how to communicate. Was it with Sprint? No, actually, they turned me down. Damn. It was with a Time Warner cable at that time. Wow. And so I ended up selling the most. Off Delito? No. Chanel? Chanel. No, no, no. Out of Chanel. Out there in Irving. Irving, okay. Oh, far. Yeah, so what happened was I ended up becoming the best salesman at the job. Oh, that's God. Faith, faith ain't fair. Faith, but sometimes we don't even know we got undiscovered talents. You know, it's bigger than just music for me, man. I really know how to explain things with detail. As long as I know the product. So, but that's the same thing I do on my nine to five. Working at Brinks Home Security. Already. I'm a senior account manager. Wow. So my job is just basically to keep people with they service, explain exactly what it is that they got and why they should keep it. Let's go back to the Grisburger. Was it the number one? No, double meat, the number one of the double meat. Double meat monster. Oh, you remember that. The double meat. She's the guy on the triple. You should have gotten the triple for that. No, I should not. But, you know, today. One in the yellow basket. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, what they putting in them burgers? Man, I don't know. I'm not for you niggas all that crazy. I want to be my sponsor niggas. But it's not going down. But you niggas got some good burgers? Yeah, no, of course. Dallas, shout out Dallas and the only griffs. I heard they got one in Shreveport in there. Look, man, Pleasant Grove griffs is the best griffs in America. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. On a good day now, don't mess around. You go over here on military and mess around, get yourself caught up. That's still a grove. But you know what? Okay, I heard you said that you don't want to have your artist going through what you went through. No, absolutely not. And, you know, the funny thing about that is that even parents, as parents, we always say, especially if you were raised in a rough situation, you said that you don't want your kids to go through what you went through. So you try to give them everything that they can get right now. Exactly. Sometimes you take away the grind from them by giving them everything and always having them have everything so they don't know what it's like to do without. They lose something. You know what I mean? So even as an artist, if you take them the easy route instead of having them always, you know, working really hard on having a story, a back story, to tell, it doesn't make them as good of or as hungry of an artist. You understand what I mean? I think that it goes a little bit more like this, though. I'm taking them the route to where they know they have to work, but I also know that this game is about working smarter and not harder. If there's a different way that we can do it that'll cause us to not have so much workload on us, we gonna take that road, you know? And we working smarter, not harder. I built millions of, I'm not gonna say millions, thousands of relationships with people around the world who know me. And also, you know, you use those relationships to your advantage. Right. Did we ask them about how to get the name No Shane? Did we ask that? No. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you. Let's get into it. So in high school, man, I used to be shy, you know? Shy dude, you know, just kind of hadn't found my swag yet, you know? Looking down a little bit, but I could sing. Yes, sir. So, you know, one day I entered into a talent show up at the school and nobody knew I could sing. Who motivated you to enter? Because if you a shy guy. Yeah. Ain't no shy guy that's gonna enter a competition without somebody just pushing him to do that? Well, I think it was the fact that you were getting $300. That's a motivation. It has to be something. That's a motivation right there. So, yeah, I mean, I was known for nothing more than selling candy and making people laugh at school. Wow. But when they found out I could sing, man, that changed the game. Shut it down. Man, shut it down. I got up there and sung, I think it was Drew Hill. Which one? Five Steps. From Etern. I don't know, I want to hear it. You want to hear it? I want to hear it. Let me hear it. That'll go hard, boy. Yeah. Man, that thing go hard. Yeah. I'm telling you that go hard. No, man. It's a... We were five steps from eternity. Four steps. Four steps past love and three wishes. We were three wishes. Ooh. You know, just a little something like this. Boy, boy, boy, boy, boy, boy, boy. You have to sing it right now. Listen, listen. And that boy come with a little bitty voice after that donut. Another day is born. Another day is gone. Another night now gone. Waiting patiently. Hope that you return. Hey, stop it, man. Just stop it, man. He's talking to me too loud. Listen, man. Say, man, we talking about pure talent, man. You're going to make me cry, stop. And that one that contest, let me tell you something. Them niggas, they have to give you... Change my life. Give them the damn... Give them the belt, the crown. Give them the... Give them something, but what you ain't going to do is say you didn't win. So who caught you on the ocean? Wait a minute, who caught me in the last run-up? Yes. Who was the run-up? Nobody remembered. Nobody remembered. So everybody knew my regular name was Shandon. Shandon. So somebody called and said, you better sing, Shane. And then from there, it became No Shane. When people would like... They recognized I could actually sing and stuff like that. They was a female star that called me No Shane. Wow, that's a hot name too, though. Hey, man, the boy can sing, man. I know who I'ma call, but I need a hook. We probably better get this boy to do us a little old intro demo. Just something, but I'm forgetting me some, man. So we have the rap. We got the rap. We need a hook, man. You know, I got Jamaican songs. I got all type of little stuff I do for the show, man. We just move different, you know. And I think it's because we take opportunity every time. We'd be like, come on, man. We'll get you this, let's do this, let's come up with something to do that, you know. It's just sharing the love. That's all about the creativity, man. You can work and flow, it'll go. Yeah, oh, it rhymed. You can work and flow, it'll go. It'll go, man. It's simple, but... So let's talk about JG. Yeah, yeah. I want to talk about JG shit. Yeah. And is she the only artist you have? Yeah, I was going to ask that too. She's the only artist that I have as of right now. I'm putting really all of my resources, all my time, my energy to build her and then we can move on and add to form. How did you guys link up? Actually, her mom. Wow. She knew that I'm me being a man of integrity. Wow. Being a person who, you know, just try to go about things the right way. Her stepdad, I used to do music with him in the past, Lil Sock. Okay. Which you recently passed away. That's the way. So she called me, she said, you know, the only person I know who not trying to do nothing to my daughter. You know, all these other guys who keep promising her stuff, you know what I'm saying? They trying to get in, basically get in the drop. No, I already know. And so. That's one of the big problems that the girls catch it on, man. And every, I know some things. Cause being behind this mic, you start to see things and start to. And you hear some things. Hear a thing. No, see text and all kinds of stuff. And it's like, really he said that? I mean, this guy's got millions and millions of views and followers and he said that? Bruh. And he sent that? Like, wow. People feel like they entitled to bigger parts of you in order for you to, you know. It's not even that, you know why? Yeah. Because a lot of people haven't been telling them no. Agree. A lot of people say yes just because they want to get that next level. No, facts. Facts. And if they can get away with it, they gonna continue to push those buttons. So she called me, she was like, you the only dude I know who is just solid in the industry. You got a lot of relationships. You work with pretty much everybody. And I just know you move with integrity. Mm-hmm. You know? That means something, bruh. That means a lot. And so I had managed, you know? It's my first project. So trying to catch up with, you know, all of the paperwork and catch up with all of those different things as far as legal stuff. Lodezy, you know? He helping me. Shout out Lodezy who's just on the show. That's my guy. Yeah. He knows a lot. Lodezy, Oprah. He helps a lot of people. He's a humble spirit dude, man. Absolutely. I understand why Yellow Bees is who he is because of the people he's around. Exactly. And it means something. You know what I mean? Not taking nothing away from Yellow Bees because Yellow Bees want to come down to what he do. But I'm just telling you Lodezy and him, having the right group of people around you does matter. Man, it does. That simple conversation can change the whole circumstance around you as an artist. Well, he came to one of her shows. He did. And he told me, it was like, man, whatever you need. You know? Wow. He said, you got something with her. He said, whatever you need from me, man, I'm up the street. Wow, great guy. Just, you know, call me, text me, come by the office. Wow. But we've been, we know each other from, man, we came up. Back in the days. God and me, God did it. Yeah, both him and I, we used to be on shows with Coondolini. Yeah, because that boy had some songs, MJ, G&A, Bob, Lodezy. Yeah, exactly. Man, I said it myself. I didn't even notice, man. Yeah, man. Lodezy been going for a minute and he was a good artist. But he just felt like, hey, you know what? Let me just put my time and my energy where, you know, this is a young folk game. You know what I'm saying? So that's the same with me. I'm gonna put my time and my energy into something that I see. I believe that it'll flourish and I believe in her. Yes, sir. You know, I believe that she up next. I like her, I like her music and I like her movement. I like the way, and it seems, it seems, it seems right. So when I, when we had on the show, it just, and I love her attitude and the humbleness. That's the thing that I like about, you know, not the arrogance, seeing nothing like that. It's a humble person that's trying to understand her way. She's humble, but then she knows what she's, right. She knows what she's worth, she knows what she has. So she's not humbled to a point where she's timid, where she's gonna have people tell her something else. She gonna stand up for herself. Exactly. She know that, you know, you gotta just speak with confidence. Right. You know? Sometimes you can tell the person the wrong thing in confidence and they'll believe. That's right. That's right. So this is a game where you gotta make sure that whatever you're saying, you need to be able to speak that loud and speak that clear. Yes, sir. That timid stuff, that ain't gonna get you nowhere. So far as, what's the process that you take with yourself or with her when it comes down to the music? Do you have to hear the beat? You know how we talk about that, or do you just need a beat? No, absolutely not. You can harmonize it. No. I've already seen that. I've already seen that. The beat, the beat is in my niggas. Ruben, start and get the hell out of our way. You ain't the only big niggas can go on American Idol and come up with a way to win niggas. And then, you know, he got took advantage of. Exactly. He lost like three million or so. And he is so talented. And he was a good dude. He seemed to be a good guy. But good guys finish last a lot of time. Yeah. Hey, they do. That's why you gotta have a heavy balance of, you could see in Ruben Stuttered he lacked the confidence. He never did quite believe in himself to the point where he wasn't gonna take no shit. Exactly. That part. Exactly. So for me, I believe in myself at that point. Like I'm there, like I'm not taking the shit that I used to take when I was an artist coming up and different things like that. Now I've learned. So you don't have to go through that or any of the artists that I work with, they won't have to go through that. That confidence is there. Wow. I believe it. I know it. And you know, when I stand in the room with some of these people, they have to respect it. That's why when EXO came in here, I didn't have to speak who I was to you. You let the people talk for you. That's it. I believe in that wholeheartedly. Yeah. So same thing with you. I, watching the interview, I had already got like, you know, I was like, man, now this podcast is different. You know. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That nigga, something different about that nigga. Nah, man, for real. You like, well, what did you think about the podcast? Let's get into a Boss Talk 101 for the B.R. interview for five minutes, nigga. No. So what sticks out about you when you look at what we do over here at Boss Talk? Oh man, it's just different. The acknowledgement. Wow. You know, talking to people not, like you said, with just controversy and all of that type of stuff. Yeah, I'm not into that. You know, if a person wanna talk about something, they'll talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, but if they don't, it ain't a forced thing. We having a good time, man. Yeah, man, I mean, life is too short. Exactly. For me to be in here trying to figure out how to figure out how some mess can go down, life is too short. Now, I joke and jive with you like I do with head pain and different running in, cause I know they're all friends. Exactly. Yellow B's, I love what they're doing. And I do, I am a fan. So I feel like I got that right now that I established the platform. Now facts. As you were questioning about that. But do I care enough to say, I want y'all to be this and no, I care about y'all and I know y'all love each other. No, of course. And I feel a love and I just wanna make sure y'all get it right. I'm OG, Hen and low ground and stuff. I feel like we can talk, you know. I feel like everything can be solved, resolved. It's a lot of times people say, man, this guy, it went too far, I know it didn't. If you not dead, it didn't go too far. No, I didn't. You can talk. And at the end of the day, put your differences to the side and be a man, step up to the plate. Yeah. You ain't even being a man to your kids, pretty much. You need to be a man to this situation so you can start manning up. Facts. And that's how I supposed to be when you looking at stuff from a point of me and sitting down at a August table or panel and saying- Everybody ain't like that though. Yeah, but you gotta get that where you gotta be around real cats. Exactly. Most of these cats, I'm gonna say this, most of these cats love the drummer. We're in a cloud based society. So they feel like because this is a new industry standard that they have to live up to the cloud base. But let me just check you on something right quick. You gotta check the no shame, you know what I'm saying? They only do what we let them do. Exactly. So we can change that narrative. We can. Real men can change that narrative. But if we speak it, we give it power over our lives. No, absolutely. So we gotta be careful how we orchestrate the whole conversation. Right. Because we know already it's good versus evil. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? I feel like me and like you. Right. Men like me can change that narrative. Exactly. And so I speak up. Okay, I'll talk about it. Let's talk, let's see. Exactly. That's why I said that's what's different. Yeah. Most of these, most people, like when you're watching the interviews, I'm speaking in the now. Now, obviously we want to change the future. Yeah. But as we live in the right now, it ain't like that. Wow. That's why I respect Boss Talk 101. Boss Talk 101. Yeah. I'm gonna plug it every time in my other interviews. Like I got two more interviews. I'm gonna make sure I plug it. Hey, man, Boss Talk 101. I was always at Boss Talk 101. Man, you know, because we mean it. Oh, did you follow us on Instagram, man? Absolutely. Oh, TV, always old people, man, about the damn 400. See, after 400, guys, listen, you need to follow Boss Talk 101. The official Mr. Maker's up to 400, you probably 406. 406 is here now. Is he 406? 406. 406 is here now. I followed y'all from both of my pages. Now, we thank you, man. The shameless management page and the no shame two on four page. Thank you so much, man. We just, because some people who follow him, ECO, they're falling to go. And think that they follow Boss Talk, okay? Right. It's two different pages. Just to get that straight. Yeah. Follow Boss Talk Podcast 101. Man, make sure you like and subscribe to YouTube as well. Of course, definitely. Please, I already done did it. Done did it? I had to make sure you did. Thank you so much, man. Just look, when you did the interview with Lil' Runny and Hadbite, I followed, I subscribed right then. Yeah, it's done a few, man. We even had Sir Charles Jones, man. We didn't have some bangles up in here, man. Sir Charles. Oh, I got some more comments. That boy be saying it, man. What? Man, listen, man. And if you never heard of LJ Echoes? Aw, man, that boy get down. He's a blue. I heard of, I told y'all, I heard of him. Yeah, yeah, you heard of him. He is good, too. Yeah. Well, let me ask you this now. Uh-oh. I need to know you're top three artists of all time. You don't watch the show, so you know what I'm saying. You know what I had to make sure I had in my mind for show? That number one. At least on my mind. But, yeah. Any genre. All right, so give me the question again. Any genre. It's got to be top three artists dead or alive. This is your top three. Your top three from what you hear. Right. I don't want to hear what the masses say. Of all time. No shames, top three. My top three. R&B rap, anything? Gospel? I'm going to go Prince. Okay. Boy, I say Prince. Boy, we get a lot of Prince. Okay. I got a man saying, come on, bro. You can't do it without Prince, man. You can't sleep. Oh, too big a turn. Yeah. Yeah. Truly I adore you. Nah, for real. That boy with there. No, but uh. Prince, man. Shout out to that nigga, Count, man. I hope they get it, boy. Family is money, man. That ain't really trying to get on it, but on the masses too. Yeah, nah, you know the game is horrible, man. The game is raw. Number two, though. Number two. I'm going to go with Jimmy Hendrix. That threw me for a loop. I never would have seen Jimmy coming in. We had gotten one Jimmy Hendrix before. We got one Jimmy Hendrix. To watch him. Number two, Jimmy Hendrix. Yes. Watch him on that festival, the Jimmy Hendrix Festival. And this guy playing his guitar with the nub of his fingers. I'm like, yo. Yeah, he get it. This is cold, but. We hadn't got a Stevie Wonder, and I know he was special. Uh-huh. We haven't gotten a Ray Charles either. Well, Steve is different from Ray, but Ray started, you know, Ray. Ray was on Harrow Run, that's by the way. No, but he was very talented. Number two is Jimmy Hendrix. Number one is Prince. What's number three, man? Number three, I got to go with Tupac. That's my boy now. When I was young, me and my mama had beef. Yeah. 17 years old, kicked out on the streets, man. No fact. Say, that boy was, hey, that boy scared a lot of people at the end of his career. Oh, yeah. You know, people, even my puff daddy said, and man, when that hit him up came, and it changed sometimes for him, but it had to move different. No facts. And he was really, like he was stepping out there. Yeah. Yeah. You wasn't gonna, you wasn't gonna, he wasn't playing with these people. Nah, man. But he also loved his people. Yeah. That boy, he loved his people. He was a warrior, man. And he was a workaholic when he came down to his whole entire craft. Not just music, but the movies and all the stuff that he done, he gave his heart to. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what Tupac is one of my, you know, I'm a PMC guy, you know, I'm PMC all day. Yeah, I know PMC. You know, I'm just gonna be on it, man. My boy, he's a Leo coming to day two. So you know what I'm saying? Yeah, we gon' get into that. We could have a good time. That's the guy. We could have a good time. I rock with easy. He's a Leo. Yeah. Yeah, but man, I just, I definitely, when I look at what you've done, man, and the body of work that you pretty much done and the way you explain it to us, man, thank you, brother. Man, appreciate it. Thank you. Like I said, any time you got an artist you wanna bring through. Most definitely. You definitely can bring that artist through. Another thing I wanted to ask you though, if it's a little boy out there that's homeless, that's, he's sleeping right now and he's about 17, 16, 17. He don't have a mother and a father and he's sleeping somewhere and getting up and he's moving around every 90, but he don't really know which way to go. And he like music. What would you tell him? I would, man, that's a good question. It is what it is. Both are one. I would say it is like this. I would say, today is today. Tomorrow is tomorrow. So each moment that you have, each breath that you take, use it as an opportunity for you to get to where you want to be. And sometimes we can't see where we wanna be, which means we gotta take it step by step, but don't give up on yourself. That's what I would say. Wow, you know, and that's, cause that's a true story. That's a real thing. Exactly. A lot of people don't really know how to deal with that. See, I believe that God puts you through certain things so you can get to certain people. Exactly. So when you went through those times of being homeless, I believe you went through those so you could help somebody else out of being homeless. Yeah, exactly. And that's why it happens. Exactly. So you're that olive branch that can bring one out of that situation. Yes, sir. And a lot of people don't have what you have when it comes to that. People like you, I feel like especially because there's certain things you could tell that person that I couldn't. Exactly. It's just sometimes when we, some people can meet us where we are. Yeah, yeah. Some people can't. Because they just don't relate. 100. And I don't expect for you to communicate in my language if you can't communicate in my language. 100. So sometimes it takes the least of them. Sometimes it takes the best of them or what we would consider an elite of them to meet us where we are. Okay. Do me another favor. Let everybody know what it can get a hold of, yeah. Yes. Y'all can reach me on Instagram, no shame 214. That's N-O-S-H-A-M-E 214. Y'all can, also if you're looking to book any one of my artists. Right now, JG shit. Y'all can reach me at Shameless Management on Instagram. Y'all could also follow me on Instagram and no shame, that's K-N-O-W-S-H-A-M-E. Man, I really enjoyed this, man. Thank you so much, man. Man, it's a blessing. Say, man, like, don't say blessing. I get fired up. You know, they want to call me the podcast preacher sometime because I just speak the real, man. You've got to have some God in it for me. I ain't trying to hear you, bro. You can't do all of this without God. Absolutely. So look at all, if you got up today, as I always say, and you put your pants on your legs instead of on your head, you woke up in your right mind, my brother. Yeah. Yeah. Check it, man. That's a little crazy. Hey, man, look out, but it's real, man. Check it, man. Hey, man, that's been another great segment of, man, Boss Talk 101. Yes, sir. And we out.