 Yeah, we on Boss Talk 101. Yeah, it's this, being that you spar with Earl, Earl Spence. How did that happen? Yeah, Spence, Junior, how did you end up doing that? Oh, man. I mean, how many times you them got whooped over there trying to get that ring right there? A lot of times, man. A lot of times. I got my good days, too, though. All right, no, you can't tell Lowe's because he a champion. You can't even talk about this. If you ask Tim, he ain't going to say, oh, he'll push over and then he going to say, dude can fight. Like, that dude can fight. But this the thing, we've been fighting each other all our lives. Like, he's been a rival of mine since we was kids. The rivalry broke by the time he went to the Olympics then because I quit boxing. Oh, so you used to box him on the streets. I know. We fought amateur together. Oh, amateur. You and him, and did he whoop you or do you want? I feel like I beat him the first time. They took it from you. I feel like they took it from me. They niggas took it from you. You got the tape? I feel that I ain't got the tape. Damn. He say he got the tape, but I say he put it out. Put the tape out then. It was a pretty close fight. It could have went either way. Like, he say he went one. I say I won. It is what it is, but it was a good fight. It was it was crunk. But like the second and third fight, by the time he started going to go sport with Floyd, make one out of the other guy, he came back and he beat the snot. I'm talking about you beat me bad one time. I was like, he beat me up so bad, we fighting. Like we in the ring, this is a real fight. Judges, everybody around. We fighting. We going at it the first round. By this time, I'm like, man, this dude different. Second round. Second round come out. He hit me to the body and I'm just like. He walk you down. I see that nigga walking people down all the time. He hit me to the body. I'm losing stamina. I can't breathe by this time. I'm like, God, he's like in the middle of the fight, no joke. I am not lying. He jabbing me. He's like, Judges, I said, what? You ain't been training right? I said, in the middle of the fight. In the middle of the fight. We fighting like in the middle. Everybody knows this much out. And he's jabbing me right here. And he's like, he go in for like a little body shot. He lean in, boom, drop. I say, what? You ain't been training right? I said, nah. I said, don't take it light on me though. Come on. He kind of took it light on me, backed off me a little bit. Yeah. That's dope, man. But it was some times after that where you figured it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it's like, I didn't really figure him out. I never got a chance to figure him out in the amateurs. Like in the amateurs. He was just a better. I ain't going to even say he was the better fighter. He was just more. He had a better trainer? It wasn't even that. He was more hungrier. Like he started doing things that we wasn't doing. Like we started getting our minds. I think what messed me up was girls. There it is. Every time. I think the first time a girl called me cute, that's what. It was over, it was over. He is, he's cute. I think that's what messed me up. Because I started like just trying to talk to girl after girl after girl after girl. And he kind of stayed focused. Yeah, yeah. And he was doing the extra miles, the extra running. Running, yeah, y'all had to run all day. Yeah, he was doing it. And you didn't have nobody to pull you up and be like, get your heads out of the clouds, come on. I had my brother. But by the time I figured out he was my brother, it's like, I ain't got to listen to this dude more. You got to listen to this, man. I'm the baby boy, Todd. Man, come on. And then like he got his dad. So it's just like, it's a different thing. Like it's a different feel. You got your dad. Like that's your dad. He snatched you up. My brother, he snatched me up. Mama! Yeah, yeah. So let me ask you about... But why did you stop? Why didn't you try to pursue boxing and come? He's still boxing. So I started back. No, I'm talking he stopped at that time because what he was saying, you said you stopped. Yeah, I stopped because like, it was a few fights that I thought I won as an amateur that I didn't get the decision. And I was like, man, this is politics. Like it's just like either, I'm fighting somebody whose fighter is cool with the refs or this and that and this and I know I'm beating these guys. How am I not getting the decision? So like tournaments that will qualify you for certain things, I didn't get the competing. EJ got the competing in it. And I was just like, I forget boxing. But I always stayed around some type of way, whether I was still hitting the bag or running or something like that. So like I retired like from amateur boxing. I was like 20 years old, probably like 19 years old. EJ went on to the Olympics. Yeah, he went on everywhere. Went on to the Olympics, turn pro. This is crazy. I quit boxing because of this guy told him this. I quit boxing because of this guy because I couldn't beat him as an amateur. I just quit boxing. I was like, yeah. My Earl spent, you don't say his name. Yeah. That nigga made you retire. That nigga made you retire? I couldn't beat him. That nigga put the man's on you made you retire? It wasn't a thing that I had to retire. It was just like, okay, like in boxing you have regional, state, and nationals. My nationals was Dallas because he was here. You know what I'm saying? He would go out and beat the whole national team. So it was like you were regionals, then the state is then, that's all the people from the regionals that won in they part and then they meet up at state. Then all the people at state meet up at nationals. That's when everybody's right. That's all the good people from each state. He beat everybody, but he was also in my city to keep me from going. So like, so I could never meet this guy at state or meet this guy at nationals or nothing. So he kept me from going. I feel like I could have beat anybody and possibly been ranked number two at least. But I couldn't get past the nose ring guy because he was here.