 First question is from Alex Ewan. From your experience, how much muscle could an average genetics beginner put on in a year, assuming they're following a MAPS program? Really good question. Way more than other programs. Great commercial for MAPS. No, no, okay, so if, okay. Good programming. Low end, 40, high end, 60 pounds, somewhere on there. Wow. Jesus. Not true. That's a bold statement. Okay, so let's say you got a good workout program, so it's appropriate for your body. It's geared towards building muscle. You got good sleep, good diet, average genetics. I would say it's probably realistic in terms of lean body mass in the first year for a man to probably gain anywhere between, I don't know, 10 to 15 pounds of lean body mass in the first year. I think about that. All things being equal. I think that's, do you guys, what do you guys think? I think that's sort of, if you're talking about a brand new beginner, I think that's very realistic. I think you could see even higher numbers that. I mean, professional bodybuilders would say that they could add 10 pounds of muscle in a year. That's like amazing. But they're already so big. Right. Yeah. Well, and they've also been training for a long, long time and taking everything already in their son. But when you're new, boy, it kind of, it comes on pretty quick. So, you know. And that's lean muscle. That's not just overall mass, which I think a lot of people get, they lump all that in together in terms of what they've gained. So yeah, we're talking just the lean muscle. Yeah. I would say 10 to 15. 10 is pretty reasonable. 10 to 15 in about a year, the first year with everything being good. For women, it's probably more like, I don't know, 48, probably roughly half. And then each year after that, you'll probably slow down in terms of your gains. Now, here's the thing, okay? All things being equal, boy, is there a wide variance in genetics. So I've, I know people that have gained 30 pounds of lean body mass their first year of training. And these are just genetic freaks. Freaks, yeah. And then I know other people where it's like five, and he got, you know, men, where it's like four pounds of lean body mass in a year in that first year is really, really challenging. So it can really make a big difference. Well, I think the most, the, the, the stuff that I've read is between a half a pound to a pound, like on the good end, right? On the high end, a half a pound to a pound of muscle a week. If everything is dialed in a week, yeah. Oh my God, that would be, that's two pounds a month, two to four pounds a month. That's what you just said. 48 would be primo for 56 weeks, but the reality of that's not. Yeah, maybe initially, right? Yeah, yeah. Right. So, and that's, I mean, again, that's the high end of what someone could potentially anticipate. Well, I think there's also that novel sort of window. If you're a beginner, right? You get those sort of new gains for the first few weeks for the first few months and you can kind of like, you know, get a real good jump start. It's all relative to your actual size already too. So someone who is a 200 pound man could gain 20 pounds and it's not that big of a deal. That's 10% right? Yeah, exactly. A guy who's 120 pounds, a total different story. So I mean, it depends on the size, depends on the genetic. So there is a wide variance here, but you could put on a decent amount of muscle and I know as a young lifter, I know there was at least a year there where I had a good 10 to 15 pound, you know, gain in a year. What was your best year? Probably something like that. Yeah, me too. Probably something 10 to 15 pounds. My best year was. I was on anabolic. Right? So like obviously I've had bigger jumps when I was on steroids, but naturally probably 10 to 15 pounds. Mine was when I was 16 and I'd gained like over the summer I gained about on the scale 14 pounds. I don't know if I'm sure it wasn't all lean body mass, but that was over a summer as a 16 year old. Okay. I got stretch marks in my legs and in my armpits, but it's genetics play a big role. And also when you're a beginner, the muscle gains kind of look like this. It's almost like a bell curve. At first your strength goes up quite quickly, but you don't gain muscle very quickly. And that's from central nervous system adaptation and you're learning the exercises. Yeah. You're learning how to do them properly. So you're not really able to maximize the benefit you get from them. So it starts off from a muscle gain perspective a bit slow and then it ramps up, then it kind of peaks and then it starts to slow down again. So it's like if I got a new client that was otherwise healthy, you know, you know, in an, you know, let's say the age range of 20 to 40 and they're doing everything right. It's usually after the second month that we would start to see the muscle gains really start to come on, you know? Well, don't you think though too, like they hit that inevitable sort of tapering off and plateau because they're not thinking ahead in terms of changing the stimulus up and, and, you know, the programming and addressing that, I think a lot of times that you just feel like you're making all this progress and you stay within that same sort of protocol. Whereas this is something that we really were intentionally drying up with the maps programs. Yeah, I read another article that said that the average man over the course of a long period of time with good training, good diet, what could gain naturally roughly 20 pounds of lean body mass above their, what their body would normally carry. Yeah. So that was the number that I read. So if, if your lean body mass sits around 160 after, you know, four or five years of good training, be consistent, you could probably carry an additional. I mean, this would be an awesome commercial for us. I mean, I'd love to have somebody who's like, owns like four or five programs, right? Cause that's what it would take to get all the way through a year and, and changes up the stimulus every three months, right? New program stays tight on their diet and is a new lifter and then reports back, right? You do your body fat test before just to see kind of your baseline, do something that's consistent, whatever one you decide to do. And then test the end of the year. It'd be really interesting to see what that would be. I'd love to lean muscle, uh, yeah, sort of complicated. Yeah, I think, I think 10 to 15 is, uh, very, very likely. I think it's, you'll see some, I think it's realistic. It's realistic. Yes. That's the reality. Likely is, is hard because how many people, beginners, you know, for a year, okay? Yeah, but we're, we're assuming that we're assuming they are doing a calorie increase, right? We're assuming as they start to build, they slowly continue to increase calories, right? They're, well, they're following maps, right? They're following maps all the way through for an entire year, adequate recovery, yeah, they're, well, which it's built into the programming, right? So they're following maps perfectly for a whole entire year. They are eating accordingly, meaning that as they gain muscle, they're continuing to scale the chloric intake up from where it was before, and they do that consistently for an entire year. I think 10 to 15 is more than realistic. I think you should expect that, uh, for if you're doing all things, right? I would love to see, yeah, somebody squeeze that even further, like, see how far you go. Oh, I had someone, I had some, I mean, I got DM'd. I got DM'd all the time. I had a guy who gained 20, you know, and he's probably up a little bit better on the genetic standpoint. He was young, he was in his 20s, but he gained 20 pounds of, I think almost all lean body mass, his body fat percentage in fact stayed the same. I think he only gained a couple pounds of body fat with that. So I've, I've seen it, um, from some of our people, you know, it's funny is the longevity effects, uh, that they're measuring from muscle or really coming from the strength. So it's the strength increases that they've connected to longevity, not necessarily muscle, but strength is a great way to correlate to muscle. So just a side note. Hey, if you enjoyed that clip, you can find the full episode here, or you can find other clips over here and be sure to subscribe.