 We're back with a breakfast and plus if you have care we are set to look at what the papers have for us this morning Our guest is always standing by is equally I took will be joining us when we're done looking at Those headlines of course. We'll start off with a nation newspaper interesting take on the paper this morning. It's still paper still you know giving prior attention to the people's Democratic Party and Like we analyzed a couple of days ago. They Like I said a couple of days ago the Nation this is just a media media review. The nation has almost every day Talked about the situation the PDP. In fact, they use this term PDP crisis today is a first time in a while. I've noticed that they didn't use Say PDP in crisis, but they're still showing Again attention to the situation the people's Democratic Party Marking they lead Southwest PDP on are you must go call Marking they lead Southwest PDP on are you must go call for this is true? I'm just in the paper has given its top Pace on the front page to the situation PDP for the past how many weeks Now the writer to that story or your governor to a tickle party must be restructured Chairman's exits must follow do you process? All right more from the nation. I carry the lure. They buy your head teams for tinnable Puhari to present budget to national assembly next month Or yetola dedicate bicker over report of overvoting Buyers of seized legal properties to pay 2001 price lucky them. I don't know if that's the right way to put it Banks to stop PTA BTA payments in cash As custody possess. I think this was covered by some papers Yesterday. All right more from The nation Two scientific works win 10,000 or 100,000 dollar nlng price and police kill five kidnapped suspects stories on front page of Foundation, let's go over to the punch with these headlines. So big story there the kicker PDP crisis The headline says attico warbara meet agree with the governor's marketing day demands are used exit And writers to that former POT church a brain forced to resign party still in crisis says but a judge Southwest PDP agrees to back xvp Or your governor seeks restructuring of national working committee indeed a marketing day described Attico as an incoming president of Nigeria in 2023 I use resignation achievable must be negotiated to avert crisis attico Benway senator that's that's a Irremarkable one or that is worth noting that attico said that More from the the punch fgeu afd complete 104 billion our electricity agreement Senate to scrap over 400 mda's in 2023 is that too little too late Bank deposits rise by 24 to 42 trillion nas and people are not spending these days or what PSC chairman that's police service commission Smith resigns amid police recruitment crisis Okay, of course a bit of a issue between the police service commission and the inspector general of police Prochancellors vcs intervene in assos seven month strike Prochancellors vcs intervene in assos seven month strike or they be paying assu themselves I'm sure that they be that's the only intervention. That's who want to hear um, akc road collapses motorists grown see governments intervention And of course you can see a picture there on the front page of the punch Doing some human angle stories right there Uh picture of the governor of akc state staring at the road in shock in shock And it's quite a bizarre one Uh, uh, I mean if no life was lost then that is a big testimony But you can see the quality of that road. Look at it. Look at it. Look at the the sand underneath just a very thin layer of asphalt It's what we're talking about I'm sure someone was paid to do that road This is a quality of road that the government does for its citizens Look at sand You don't even have stones no Gravels no, um, what do you call it again? Uh, no base nothing no stone base. All you have is shaft sand then A thin layer of asphalt in the city of donning road So when there's water running on there at erosion and everything it's okay being What a shame And the governor looking at the road in shock I mean, I don't know if this road was done in his time. I don't know. I can't judge him but Um, governments need to do better If it wasn't done in his time it was done in someone's time Did a person the course governor then? Not inspect to see that the road was properly done Because you're paying for a quality road You must have a quality road. Look at that Look at that What a shame All right, do we have more? I hope you don't take them one year to fix so I mean if you come to legal state The a co-bridge has been closed for some time now after a fire incident They are to place called a pom pom and uh till now I don't think that bridge is open. It's affecting traffic flow From the mainland to the island parts of Lagos Affecting economic activities and I'm reducing all all ramp productivity I don't know why it's taking this long. I'm not an expert But I do sincerely hope that that will get start bridge gets done quickly In the same way, and I hope that this equity road will not take forever I have to move on. I guess we'll provide us analysis of of our stories, but more from the punch Tackling security can Anglican primate tell federal government customs intercepts 80,000 liter tankers Uh carrying dirty diesel Who imported the dirty diesel? Or was it produced in the country? Maybe it's uh One of these locally refined products and sars panel awards 289 million narrow compensation to 74 victims I have a personal story. I will share in now. You know some other day and uh That strikes strikes me. All right more from the next paper. Let's go to the leadership this morning. The leadership Has an interesting interesting front page headline. That's a leadership newspaper All right. What the leadership is saying on this front page the kicker to that big headline 1995 derby hotel bombing 1995 derby hotel bombing I can't talk until u.s. Embassy speaks accused x u.s. Envoy envoy All right. I'm the writer to that. I can't recall the incident Madishie who is talking about Kaduna x military governor general jafaru isa police dss u.s. Embassy keep mum. I'm sure I guess we'll remember this This is episode quite well FG orders buyers of seized legal properties to pay two thousand and one price I'm sure I guess we'll remember this This is episode quite well FG orders buyers of seized legal properties to pay two thousand and one price Uh, UK police judicial office passed a buck on the query matters health Revenue shortfall senate backs measure of mda's Dugara Baba chair continue to a continue agitation against apc muslim muslim ticket police service commission chairman resigns and five die In part she put mishap really sad So stories on the front page of the leadership newspaper All right. We have the last paper for consideration this morning being daily trust a big one on the front page Of daily trust call for state police acf nef Affinity fair pandaf back northern governor's Monax, so it's interesting that It's now a national thing Right there the writers to that akiti passes bill kanu in two weeks Jigawa to follow soon. It's knowledge here without national Assembly approval professor yadudu. Well, you know what they say Nature boss vacuum. I guess we'll talk some more about this when we put him on a southwest pdp meets atiku Demands iu's resignation how smith was forced to resign as psc chairman I don't know if this is all connected with his tussle with the igp over recruitment police kill kidnappers Sharing ransom in forest. All right. What happened to the ransom? We'll hurry to present 19.76 trillion narrow 2023 budget in october. It's according to the speaker of nigeria's house of reps. Bajabi amila Senators ok or rosa a report over 400 mda's risk scrapping My Nigeria french agency a sign 25 million euro deal for power Transmission projects 23 abuja kajuna train passengers still in captivity 186 days after lord have mercy lord have mercy. All right, let's um Say good morning to our guest analysts Um, ziggler. Yeah, I took good morning to you. Mr. Yeah, I took thank you very much for your time Good morning. Have to be nicely here. Good morning. Fantastic. Great to have you great to have you great to have you and let's start with this This call by the northern governance in the country For state policing. We'll discuss this later on the program, but the interesting aspect of this is that Daily trust is telling us that other groups in the country ACF NEF A fairly very impressive. These are the major groups. I think the one that's missing there is ohanese and ego Also joining this call. I mean when last did we say unified front from the social political organizations around the country saying the same thing at the same time Yeah, I think the concept of um state policing has been almost unanimously adopted nationwide by virtually all the divides Because we've come to realize that the security that we have is not being Handled the way that national Interest comes beyond any other parochial including individual interests if you really look into The the the security concerns that we have you realize that there's a lot of um discrepancies There's a lot of um unexplained You know pockets and you can't really see that commitment to the welfare of the people including the north And um, I think each person is coming to a point where they are like look Why don't we just do what is corporate or global best practice? Why don't we have the national police looking at setting infrastructure that they look at and then Let's go down drill it down to state police And if possible the county or what you may look at as a local government police Because abroad you won't have certain places like campuses having their own police system depending on the size and everything Let's redefine, you know, what policing is all about because Right now policing is about about power about control and not about the general good of the people So I think that even the honoree or hanese that is not listed They have taken a position long before today to the best of my knowledge Which is why why would you have um the a bube a bube agu if it's not something that they subscribe to So I think that um in the condition reconstruction review, we have to look at that You know, you know the the general agreement the unanimous agreement within all sides of the divide On the need for state police All right, another one coming on the front page of the daily trust is uh, also echoed by a few other papers Um senators ok or ross and a report say over 400 mds risk scrapping I think it's good that the the daily trust mentioned or ross and a report because some papers didn't mention it for instance Leadership said senate backs major of mds because of revenue shortfall. So this is the way the leadership needs to be put it revenue shortfall senate backs Major of mds The civil ross and a report has been submitted to president gulag jennathan or let me say the federal government in april 2012 precisely april 16 2012 and fast forward to 2022 is when the The authorities national assembly the federal government are considering Implementing is this a cnc implementation? Or is this a sinking man grasping at whatever he can grasp but uh to survive It's our understanding. I'll look at things holistically is our understanding of the concept of government and governance The day we realize that governance is about the management of the Goods of the generality of the people in their larger interest And not an opportunity to serve personal interest when we have that perspective would realize that when you look at Governments generally i've been doing a lot of thinking a lot of strategizing a lot of research As somebody who wants to be the governor of a state and i'm asking myself exactly where is the problem? And i think the problem is the entitlement of the title The entitlement of the title Once you call you are called a dg. They are saying things that must come, you know with that office But if those entitlements didn't come with the title then you could have the subdivisions and not have the problem So coming back to orasia's report On the major of all these parasitals and lots of you know The first thing is that I agree with the report to a great extent They are just setting subdivisions that have a lot of subheads that have a lot of budget And you really can't have the second arm which is absolutely necessary in any setup. What is the second arm the deliverables? What are the targets? What are the essence? What are the things that we are getting from them? You can't you discover that the deliverables is employment Create employment and that's not you you can't have public funds going into create employment Just and these are not even the people that are getting into certain productivity Within within within within within the the governance structure It's it's about creating employment. It's about benefiting your people It's about bringing them in and rewarding them on public accounts, which is Unacceptable So I think that looking at that I've taken time to look at a good section of that report And I think that any focused government will adopt a good section of those reports because A lot of this by time you look at the list of the of the mds You you feel scandalized because it's like what you mean this exists. We are how what they exist Yes, they do they are collecting salary. Yes, they do. They are paying rent Yes, they do there's a whole lot of entitlements attached to each of the offices and what is the outcome zero So I think that uh, they should implement whether it is as a way of, um, you know You know, how do I damage? I wouldn't even call it damage control. Whatever it's worth Let them look at it and implement as much as they can But I can assure you that the next government is not going to be like the past government It's going to be more focused. It's going to be more people oriented It's going to be more purpose fit and going to understand the essence of government and governance I can tell you that for free. It's not going to be one of these two big people that come and do same old same old There is a change that has begun and it is unstoppable at this point You know, uh, it's interesting that for what you've said the um, this particular Or else a report was Was was was submitted to president jennathan in 2012 april 16 after being the Committee headed by the former head of service of the federation civil russia was set up in 2011 um, when This administration came in in 2014. They said they were going to Implement this was in 2014 uh, they announced a decision to implement the This was last year rather. They said we're going to implement the White paper All right, the white paper of that report But interestingly another committee was was set up to make recommendations recommendations based on the white paper Of that report. I don't know. You are you are uh, an administrator. You're in the circles of what exactly is this white paper thing But before before you go to that We're told that they want to reduce the agency's departments and ministries created since 2014 the borough administration came into power on the back of You know reducing resources and they started with a push of trying to cut You know government spending government excesses But if you look at them the ministries department agencies created since 2014 they've actually increased what you had before um, that report recommended that Of the 541 statutory and non-statutory federal government paracidals 541 the zika to 541 and we are still where we are And out of those 541 um 263 statutory agencies should be reduced to 161 And 38 agencies should be abolished 52 agencies merged and 14 reverted back to departments in ministries You know, so so that is that now subsequently the white paper was reported reported and issued in march 2014 and it's taking march 2014 till Uh, 2021 for them to now set up another committee to make recommendations based on the white paper But another interesting point. I also like you to speak to it's that president buhari Created five new federal ministries in it was reported in 2020 2019 You know, you look at the ministry of humanitarian affairs Um and disaster management and social development ministry of police affairs Special special duties and international affairs aviation and par You know and some we should ask why did we have Aviation as a separate ministry when it's transportation Why do we have humanitarian ministry where we have maybe for instance, uh, nema You know, why do we have office of uh, the special advisor on diaspora affairs when the minister of foreign affairs is there You know, sometimes you don't know who is who it will help to agree who will speak when You know, so what I thought some this how many agencies and ministries. Yeah I'll tell you the way government operates if people understand it is that Governments has to be dynamic and not static for the simple reason that government is created to solve problems and sometimes problems come unanticipated And government needs to set up a system a structure depending on the nature of the problem But that system or structure serves that purpose setting things as statutory For instance, education will always be there and you know, um, the health care Housing, you know, all that social infrastructure the road network, you know security the welfare So they are setting things that are statutory but from time to time Setting things come up. For instance, there was the petroleum equalization agency that was set up because they realized that When you bring petrol, it comes to the center, which is like Legos And it has to be taken from Legos to, you know places like, uh, maybe, um, Katzina or so koto or may do guri and that is different from taking trucking it to Ogun state or or your state or any of the neighboring states So that differential in transportation Has to be imputed in the cost and you know, government is to provide a setting level for You know, the generality of the people and fail was something that was or power was something that that applies to all So on account of that that agency becomes a necessary agency, you know to come up and handle that Specific problem now by the time government now comes to a point of saying for whatever it's worth We are not we've we've taken ourselves off that um, we've deregulated that that sector and left it to be private sector driven Most of the time the agency created does not like get extinguished They remain even when they do next to nothing And secondly a lot of these agencies some of them are created on account of the problem That exists within the ministry and then you have somebody that comes in and is favorably disposed to a particular person So he kind of Curves that out so that he has his own command and control as distinct from the boss that was there before And that leads to Duplication and a lot of times another time it comes with the the the zeal of a particular You know person in power He says look we must get into this nuclear thing nuclear Nuclear thing or we want to get into a certain it mode because that's the world of the future So instead of putting them because of bureaucracy They kind of take them out and create them as a certain agency So what a reasonable government should do at all times? I'm never against Creating new agencies never if you are responding to the problem per time But what you should do is always profile and always critique and always look into All the agencies periodically, you know and for each budget review session Ask yourself, which are the relevant agencies? What can we merge? What can we set aside? There's nothing wrong with creating a new agency for instance when insecurity was becoming a major major major problem Or we are having a lot of problems with corruption Then you may have to create the efcc as different from icpc as different from nfiu These are different arms that do different things But because you really want to take these things head on so you put them separate And then you now have maybe the police is there and then the vigilante is there And you know, but you must come at all times to critique them again And never be afraid to bring back to one unit But then you have this concept of i'm tenor, you know I'm giving this this appointment for four years and i've just done two years I still have two more years So if you fix me take me back to an existing agency What is going to be my status? Who cares what your status is? All right, that's interesting very interesting very interesting and I so much have enjoyed your analysis there, but finally This report on Russia was submitted in 2012 A committee was set up to To review and have a report on that Russia a commentary report called I'm a people committee And between 2012 and 2021 they were to look at the the ministry's panel agencies created that was last year I'm a people committee has submitted his own report on the civil or also a report And Obele o KK committee has now been created and Has done a A draft White paper on the I'm a people committee that some day report on the Russia a committee So we're waiting for them to implement So what what what is up with this? No, you're waiting for the committee that will review The work of the current committee that is set up. Yes. So three committees now Yeah, yeah, no, we are waiting for the fourth one to take care of this It's the concept of political will actually It's just that I had made a commitment that because President Buhari had signed the electoral act that I have forgotten For given every wrong he did in the past including the ones he would do till he leaves office So and I still keep to that commitment But I feel a lot of times I I I think that There's a disconnect between The Buhari that was seeking office And the Buhari that is in office I'm not talking in terms of all those conspiracy theories whether he is this or that no I'm just thinking that age has played a game on this man and he is He's not so forceful. He's not so target driven He's not so we don't really see him as taking on to make a legacy with respect to governance I don't see it because all these ones are setting committee to review committee is just time wasting as far as I'm concerned And lack of political will to get done what should be done But if I were close to President Buhari, I'll tell him that No man stands a better chance of getting this thing done right now than himself because it's like eggshells They're going to step on things, you know, but for several reasons number one. He's not seeking a third term Number two, he is Respected to a great extent. So there are three things he can do and get away with it and number three He wants to leave a certain legacy behind That he did this. I think mr. Mr. President should actually sit down and think of what what could be what would be his exit strategy? And what would be his legacies? He has to really sit down He has children he might not be reading these letters or this um listening to us, you know Do this review that he has friends He has relations. He has relatives Particularly relatives particularly children Who at this point in time should sit down and think of the father and think of his retirement and say What would be his what would he be remembered for? Nigerians have very short memory and Nigerians are very forgiving The president can take one two three decisions now and everything he did wrong in the past will be forgiven and forgotten Give us clean Electrical processes no matter what he takes give us clean free fair credible elections You'll be held as a hero number two Look at this report take that decision that somebody coming in and you know Think you have second term may not be able to want to rock the boat if you do these two bold things I think that he'll be remembered on the right side of history. Interesting very interesting Let's go out to the country's paper Artico Baccar has been on A how do I call it again a wing toe? You know when a woman is trying to a mind is trying to woo a woman He's he's been on a a checking toe of the pilipe in the south southwestern part of Nigeria But he met with the oil state Or the southwest a piece pilipe stakeholders in oil state yesterday not in legal state And would you say this is a catch 22 situation for Shea mackin day And even i of ioshe and then the oceans state governor because i mean they can't say they won't turn up for For for this meeting indeed mackin day had to address Artico as the incoming president of migraine 2023 though. He still said you must go But interesting one from that meeting Artico is saying that ioshe resolution is achievable, but must be negotiated to a very crisis. So what are your thoughts on this? Visit to the southwestern part of Nigeria by artico. You see there's there's a perspective to all these things that Um, artico is not looking at and he needs to do that very fast because there's something he's losing Faster than he knows, you know, one of the things that was given to artico Was that or is that he is a bridge builder? And that at a time like this where nigeria is so fragmented where there's so much divisions that you need a man That with the capacity to build the bridges and bring all the sides of the divide to bring back nigeria to To her feet And then you cannot resolve a little problem that concerns you and your election and your future I don't see I think that one night one night one meeting Where artico calls are you privately? Calls we keep privately they see the three of them not that person sit down in a room and say Guys we're hurting ourselves What do we do? Politics is about compromise Politics is about negotiation Politics is about give and take that is what politics is all about Not my way or the highway So guys, what do we do? This thing has come to a point is like the president anasu All those oh minister go and negotiate these go and all those things are just yeah, you're wasting time I believe that if they sit down the three of them man to man eyeball to eyeball in one night This matter is resolved and you get a man saying Um president, let me tell you this This is what happened This man did this to me What does he mean he was looking the other one knowing that before the meeting there's always a meeting before meeting Artico will first meet Um, are you privately as a guy? Please help me. I beg you. Do you want me to kneel down beg? I'll beg you if we need to make a compromise Let's make a compromise when we go there, you know your week is hurt Please I beg you whatever he says don't flip. Don't lose it. I beg you Okay, then he he has a private meeting with i We came self and says my guy. I know how you feel. I understand this whole thing Let's see what we can do. Let's have this meeting. We'll grind it out. You know, we have a bigger future We have a bigger stake. We can't leave this thing for these people if you leave it will hurt us all all of us You can't imagine this please less and then they now have that tripartite meeting Do you understand me the moment they come out of that meeting? I can tell you that the problem would have been solved because they don't need any further Weekend does not need to consult anybody Do you understand me as soon as he leaves there before any because nobody knows about the meeting He's going to give a call to um, you know marking day and them or tom and you know all this and then You know then this guy will now say then are you will now say look this thing is getting out of hand My guy. I know how you feel. I know that this is this guy is just trying to be and everything But let's look at article. We're losing it. Why don't we just think about him? So what do we do? We want to make a compromise. Let's make it Let's just move forward and then we now come together. I see me meeting where it has already been resolved And then this matter is resolved and it's why don't they just call me as a consultant Let me fix this even let they pay me money make a take and do a lecture You know, you know a song, you know, like I can really Bring in here to describe what's happening is a song that has been playing on radio Over the last year or two. If you leave me, yeah, we're good Maybe that's that's what I think we're singing right now. I believe me When you get when you get a ticket article knows is more than me now When you get a ticket You can run your campaign. Do you understand me? What does Jonathan do? It's just that there was a kind of backstabbing somewhere along the line When the party was becoming impossible article Jonathan just created time And run his campaign people don't understand what campaign means and party There are certain lines that people have not learned how to you know, put situate where they belong, but I took I took made one statement said that Are you can only be removed by amending the party constitutions one of the things he said yesterday? No, no, no, no, that's not correct Any man at any time can decide, you know, in the larger interest of this stuff Let me Step aside It's a personal decision. It is sacrificed in the larger interest of the party a decision has been put already Okay, when he leaves by right the the the the the person that should take over is a deputy. Okay Right now that deputy is is is an understanding Politics is understanding. You understand me that deputy can step aside So that the next person comes up And then he can be brought back. It's it it's it's negotiable politics is is is negotiation That's what it is is an under is understanding between them. It's great. I took we have to say thank you A fantastic analysis from you this morning as always and we can't wait to have you back. Appreciate your time Thanks so much. I'm always grateful and god bless you. All right. All right. That's easy clean I took up public affairs analyst right here on the off the press segment on the breakfast and plus TV Africa We have a today in history, of course, tell you what happened on the 15th day in september Many years ago. We'll be right back after this to dive straight into our first major conversation. Please do with us