 area. And the other thing that I'd recommend is, and I have it up on the on the screen here, is that you may want to sort of walk our membership directory and that might be a good way to maybe start. Absolutely, that's true because you know some of the members are going to be in the New England area. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I used to run our meetup here in the Seattle area and yeah it's very hard to try to just keep a regular stream of folks and that's that's probably the the most effort is just trying to find find those social connections and keep interest. Yeah, it was very interesting. So Boston actually is different. Maybe Seattle and maybe San Francisco would fit the same mold but Boston has something separate called the Boston Blockchain Association and they also have like 1500 members but they're all paying. They pay $100 a year to be members of that. Yeah, and I'm tracking what they do. I joined it just to see, you know, what are they doing different and they do some things but they're not that well organized either. So there's a pretty big opportunity and the fight part is I've been working with Harvard and MIT both that also have, I'll quote, student groups that are focused on blockchain but I'll quote, relatively disorganized. And if I look at, I'll quote, there's at least 5,000 people either working or interested in blockchain in the greater Boston area without any real coordinated focus. So there was a lot of disorganization around crypto stuff and theory that that's about it and then other than that you've got, you know, the hyperledger meetup stuff and these random conferences that show up that are pretty weak in Boston. Yeah, well good. So we'll get started. I see folks getting on the call and we could talk more Jim later but yeah I totally totally get where you're coming from. Well first of all thanks to everyone. Happy New Year to all. Welcome to the Roaring 20s and as Jim and I were just talking he's already he's already behind on whatever he's working on so it just turns out to be that way. So you should see in front of you my desktop and and that is that's gonna be our agenda for the day. I see a good good group of people that are just getting on the line so thank you so much for joining us. Before before we get started is just as a reminder this is a recorded event and so please keep that in mind at all times. As well our very famous antitrust policy notice is on the screen as well. Please review that. It's legal ease for effectively sort of suggesting that just be a good person and that's really the key takeaway there if you need to review details feel free to do so. So on the call today I think we have just about everyone I think I recognize on the call. I see someone from burst IQ who might that be. Hi everyone this is Wendy Charles. Hi Wendy how are you. Hi doing well. And how is life at burst IQ. It's fantastic and I'm just excited that I can work full-time in blockchain and I continue to learn and eager to learn again today. Oh phenomenal yeah I think everybody's very envious of that role so congratulations. Thanks. Is there anyone else on the call that wants to introduce themselves or reintroduce themselves if they'd like to? Okay yeah I think I see everybody on the call everybody looks it looks like someone that we know or we're familiar with so thanks for joining us again on the call. So as far as community announcements go we do have coming up in early March the Hyperledger Global Forum. We had a meeting with the community leadership team earlier this week and I could tell you Hyperledger folks are very focused on this so this is this is going to be a big big event so keep that in mind. I don't know quite what registration costs are now because we're getting close. We did have an opportunity early early on to get a discount. If you are planning to still attend the Global Forum but haven't registered let me know and I can I could certainly ask around within Hyperledger leadership to see if we can get get you a discounted ticket or some sort of something out of that. Is anyone on the call interested are they planning to attend? Rich this is Ravish. Happy New Year. I will definitely be attending. Oh excellent okay if you can Ravish take some notes maybe even mental notes and it'd be great to hear back how the how the conference went. Bring that back to this community that would be phenomenal thank you. This is Jim I'm also attending as well. Oh perfect okay thank you Jim yeah that would be great just take some notes anything that you think is kind of an important highlight that you would imagine this healthcare group might see valuable that would be phenomenal if you can just make some notes bring them back and we'll we'll have you guys maybe give us a little bit of an update or a status on how things went after the conference. Okay and as well and this is probably a more significant issue for most of us in this healthcare SIG the HIMS conference is coming up literally a week after the the Global Forum and in fact I think what's what's really happening right now is everybody is everybody in the community is focused really on the Global Forum. We were originally sort of planning to do something with the health healthcare SIG membership at the HIMS conference that's kind of on hold we're trying to sort out with community leadership just what we're what we're hoping to do at the HIMS conference and again I think the Global Forum really right now is taking precedence and so we're very very behind in planning based on sort of what we what we did last year and as you recall last year we had a number of healthcare members get together and Dennis can help me out I think we had we basically had drinks one of the last afternoons of the conference I think if you go look them up on LinkedIn I posted a photo of all of us and I believe as as nice as Florida is at this time of year or at that time of year it was extremely cold and we were out on a deck I just remember it was very cold and very windy so so anyway so we're hoping to do something again this year I will be attending the HIMS conference I'll be going through Providence Health Care Providence Health I'm doing some work with us start up here called a medic and so I will be going through there at that organization I just don't know if we're doing anything with HIMS so so fingers crossed on that we're trying to get that sorted out and again I think the Global Forum is having an impact on our planning for that so so who on the who on the call is is planning to attend the HIMS conference this is Wendy I will be attending the HIMS conference and I will actually be speaking at the blockchain pre-conference symposium oh excellent oh well good we'll get to me because I will I'm registered for that pre-conference excellent glad to hear it okay well we'll have to find some time to get together that would be I definitely look forward to it Dennis so you were there last year are you planning to join again this year hello everybody and I would like to but I haven't made final plans yet oh man I know it's a very long flight for you coming from Switzerland but it was great it was great to have you last year I'm hoping that you'll you'll make your decision soon but I also enjoyed very much yeah I hope we can fix it okay but I will let you know anyway yeah absolutely yeah please keep me posted that would be great and it was also a great meeting together with you even it was very cold in Orlando yeah it was oddly very cold yeah I think it took everybody by surprise we were shivering and this is palm trees in the background go figure okay anybody else planning to attend the conference okay so we will we will do our due diligence as well we'll bring some some interesting information back as well to this group and I'm really looking forward to to the conference this year we're doing some very interesting things through Providence Health and we're right now debating whether we're planning to do a real an actual live demo with with Hyperledger Indian so the debate is a live demo do we really want to do a live demo but yeah we're we're in that space right now so it's going to be very interesting okay any other community announcements that you'd like to make that's that's in some way related to the Hyperledger community and specifically healthcare okay Jim did you want to talk a little bit about your your meetup in Boston yeah actually so I'm the organizer for the Boston Hyperledger meetup and if any of you on call either directly or in the New England area or no anyone who is up here I'm looking to try to put together at least you know a session on Hyperledger healthcare solutions use cases you know anything that's relevant for our meetup so we have a good size group about 1400 people members but we have had as many as 175 show up for a meeting in the past around health care actually and so I'm you know hoping this year we can do that again try to get the as to the progress of where we are and then also compare to what I call the new opportunities are given where Hyperledger is in 2020 what those differences might make as terms of healthcare solutions as well so if any of you were in the New England area you know please contact reach out to me you know through chat here or you know through the Boston Hyperledger meetup I appreciate it thank you and and Jim you're you're you're basically also just looking for folks that are in the healthcare space using Hyperledger to perhaps come and speak at a future event as well yes absolutely so and we're flexible right now I'm trying to set dates I'm working with both Harvard MIT and some other sources on locations in Boston area but it's all gonna be you know basically the downtown Boston area it's where we draw the most people okay and would you be would you be open to doing a remote event video conference effectively actually I am doing that so what's happening is we're our meetings are now wherever they're hosted in Boston they're hosted in Boston we'll draw you know members from the England area coming in but I actually run the thing on zoom as well so we have in a sense the zoom attendees that can attend as well so oh very cool excellent we asked is it you know anybody who wants to attend they just need to you know register with us there's no fee you know to attend but you know so 10 you know we're trying to get I'll put attendance high so we don't charge any fees at all excellent okay very good already any other comments community announcements all right well let's go through and then that's been quite a while we've had quite a number of general meetings that tended to be more focused around our guest presentations and I think we had a couple of a couple of holiday cancellations for for this meeting so it has been quite a while since we've been our dinner updates for our subgroups so this is this will be great and I think Dennis and his team I believe you were the last last presenters I want to say back in early December before we we all sort of went our ways for the holiday season so Dennis do you want to give us an update yeah thank you which the since the last time we don't have a big update what we have developed the biggest update is we have three newcomers for hyperlegic fabric development and we want to also develop next to solitude POC which is e-consent in clinical trials we want to also come to the levels what we have reach of solitude in fabric and after that meeting we have another irregular meeting so many things are happening in our group and you guys are also very much welcome to join us the biggest challenge is the definition of the smart implementation of the smart contracts in the whole e-concent concept and we are looking forward to this year for the new developments excellent and you want to remind everybody when you meet thank you for the reminder we meet our regular meetings happens every Friday every Friday after the Friday of this Friday so next week at 6 a.m. sorry 9 a.m. pacific time we have the regular meetings patient data subgroup and you are more than welcome to join us excellent and and then for those of you that may have missed out on Dennis's presentation at the beginning of last month that is recorded and so feel free to to sort of double back and I'll see if we can bring this up there we go look at look at that handsome gentlemen yeah and so so this is this is all recorded and of course the slide deck is available as well and so if you missed out on that presentation it was an excellent presentation and in fact we're going to we will very likely try to get Dennis and his team back because we had a speaking of live demos we had a live demo that we ran out of time on and so Dennis's and his team have done amazing work and they they're very prolific and so yeah so we probably will be bringing Dennis and his team back just to sort of continue to exercise the work that they're doing they're doing it's very phenomenal work and what's really nice is they're using both fabric and sawtooth in different contexts and so it's a great learning opportunity for anyone that's just coming up to speed to trying to understand you know what the different framework works may might look like and how they might work together or work separately and so it's it's a great opportunity okay thank you Dennis and again great job your team is doing a phenomenal work Ravish do you want to talk about the payer subgroup Rich can you guys can you guys hand me yes yes good thanks Rich so just quickly you know bringing up regarding payer subgroup I think we have had a pause for last couple months or so and I think where we ended was we we had a meetup sometime back in May and then there was a lot of interest in starting a POC or you know some kind of a project to get started with the within the healthcare pair we have started working with at least one pair that was interested when we had a local meetup and you know going forward I think what is happening is what happened earlier was there was a little bit of miscommunication with respect to the meetings on the calendar and the actual schedule for the meeting so we are kind of you know readjusting our schedule our first meeting this year is going to be on on 30th of January to get started and from there on it will be every two weeks we are trying to re-instantiate the group the payer subgroup and I think a lot more information is going to go come over the next few days and next week as well so that's where we are right now okay sounds good and Ravish if you want it may be a great idea if you can maybe put a paragraph together to describe sort of the plans going forward for the payer subgroup and what we can do then is push that out to the full membership through the listserv and that might generate some additional interest so that you might be able to get some new membership in the subgroup to help drive some of these ideas that you have absolutely that would be great perfect thank you Ravish thank you guys and so the healthcare interoperability subgroup has officially kicked off Stephen Elliott has been driving that for probably the past month or two or so Bob Colley I see on the call did you want to talk a little bit about some of the work that's been going on in that subgroup I don't I don't see Stephen on the call so I do know what you're working with Stephen yeah well we had we had a meeting two weeks ago on on friday at noon time but we're having trouble getting participants and Steve and I went over on that particular meeting we went over my shot the epic system up here at Dotmouth Hitchcock Medical Center because my background is obviously focusing on using EHRs and as a patient PHRs in the last few years when I've been up here living up here and they we went over the user interface we you know looking at the the layout of the system patient facing tethered PHR because ultimately that the data on those pages is what has to be rendered semantically interoperable and then just last friday and it's every two weeks uh he had to cancel he he had a severe upper respiratory infection and he had to cancel a few hours before the scheduled meeting so you know that's not a very encouraging update but that's the way the way it is and I haven't heard from you know from him I've so I don't think it's a serious pneumonia or something but he had he just had to cancel that meeting on last friday and I think in general the the healthcare interoperative subgroup meets on on a monday Monday Mondays Monday yeah yeah and and so and it's every if I recall it's every other monday and so this past monday we uh there was a cancellation so we'll sort of reconvene in in the next two weeks does that sound right bob right yeah so uh so for anyone that who is interested uh this interoperative subgroup is is fairly new and so uh steven's still sort of driving uh to get to sort of that critical mass uh and uh we'll continue to look for for members to sort of continue to to bulk out that subgroup uh but there's some really great ideas that are circulating around uh with that team and so yeah for anyone who's really interested in understanding uh interoperability and it really has more to do a sort of uh semantics and and that's really the sort of the key of what they're trying to understand uh it's it's really yeah it's it's really semantic understanding of interoperability which is a very very tough thing to sort of sort through uh but it's really what's really great about steven's approach is it tends to be more of a bottom-up solution than a top-down solution so the idea would be this would this would overlay over an existing uh framework to make it easier for others to develop interoperability solutions using in this case I think it's a fabric solution and and so there's there's a lot of promise here but we're really looking for I think more uh folks to help drive the the the notion forward um but I yeah I'm very excited I'm looking forward to the to the continued growth of the subgroup thanks Bob yeah and and is this is really the counterpart to what the Office of National Coordinator has been doing you know since uh it was started in 2004 in the centralized healthcare database world um so it's it's got another level of complexity uh because it would have to interface with that centralized database world to you know to uh acquire the data elements to uh display to people in a semantically interoperable manner so uh uh you know and Steve because Steve was living in that world before the 2016 blockchain spraying into the American healthcare ecosystem and and I was you know practicing internal medicine and gastroenterology for 38 years in Rhode Island and I followed this whole sequence so I find it fascinating but again I I'm not the technical uh you know I'm the clinical uh you know clinical uh aspect of this uh of this early HIS group yeah and in my engineering world I would call you a subject matter expert or a SME and so yeah and that's that's where the true expertise is is that you're you know you're your boots on the ground you're the guy that kind of knows uh operationally on a daily basis what what what might make a good solution and what maybe doesn't make such a great solution okay thank you Bob appreciate it uh okay so I well uh next walk through uh some updates from our ad hoc teams uh and uh and and get a little bit of sense for what's going on there uh it's it is the beginning of the year so things are a little bit slow but uh I want to give us an opportunity to do a status as always we we sort of maintain a wiki redesign team which are really it's really myself and a couple of other folks part time we're always looking for someone on the call who has expertise and interest using confluence to to you know find ways to refine or improve sort of our confluence site here and so I'll open this up to anyone on the call if you are interested and you're very good in confluence please let me know we could always make use of a redesign for this site this was a topic of conversation earlier than the week with the leadership team we're we're always looking for ways to better engage our membership particularly newer members who are maybe coming coming to this location and and others to SIG locations as well for the very first time and they they really are some some folks who really have a very tough time understanding how best to engage for the sake of a meeting like this or for just the sake of understanding how hyper ledger uh works in general and how the SIGs operate and so um we're always always looking for ways to sort of improve that that experience um Rich I'll just throw it out there right where I work a lot with confluence so I I all the places I work have confluence and I also have my own confluence site as well so I manage that stuff and the only thing I'll say is so I'm certainly understanding the admin side of all of this but the bigger thing is I look at your site and I'll say there's two things um two possibilities I guess or three I guess one word already out there is a regular site that gets linked to from you know the main hyper ledger wiki in confluence which is fine so you can find us if you're coming in that way the second thing though that's good is you have a um a thing in my profile that says I can be notified of updates if I want from the group so if you posted something new or somebody puts up you know presentation meeting notes and all that I can automatically get an email you know notifying me that because I as a user selected that I wanted to be notified of the groups activity so that's good that's there and of course if you don't want it you say no I don't want to be notified which is fine but then the only third thing I'll throw out there is the idea which confluence doesn't really have but I've used um google um free google accounts I guess I should say for the free version of g-suite and in there they have um a nice forms thing that I can really do a great job on custom polls so if you wanted to ask you know membership not just in this group but you know even at a broader thing a hyper ledger whatever it is and you can create a custom poll to say what are you guys interested in what are you working on what's relevant to you you know those kind of questions and get some feedback you know something like g-form does that very very well and it's free so there's no cost to run those kind of polls yeah excellent and and there's a there's going to be a nice segue to a discussion uh because we're at the beginning here to talk to talk a little bit about our survey because we do do do an annual survey and so we're we're queued for that but uh I'll get to that in just a moment but thanks for that Jim and yeah and if you happen to see anything on our site uh that you know you'd look uh you'd like to see ways to improve yeah just please let me know and we'll find a way to to sort of get that sorted out and like I said at a at a much broader level we're we're looking for ways to just make it a little bit easier for for membership uh or or certainly just new people coming through the hyperlegislate to to find ways to get engaged in the community here so so thank you for that okay uh so we have an academic research team uh and that's been going on for about a year or so Adrian Berg was sort of originally done that um he's since gotten very busy with work and so this this work effort has sort of gone sideways and so we're looking to we're thinking to reboot the uh this team it's an ad hoc team which really is uh kind of it's oftentimes a precursor to a subgroup usually what happens is if if we find a group of folks that have any have common interests will generate an ad hoc team and if that ad hoc team continues to to sort of flourish and do very well we certainly we generally will move it into a subgroup subgroups have a little bit more structure to them they're a little bit more responsibility to them um and so uh for our academic research team uh we're just just kind of going sideways on it um given Adrian's schedule the intent of the academic research team really goes to finding ways to drive the academic community to keep uh hyper ledger uh to keep blockchain technologies in sort of in in view um we've had Tori from uh blockchain health care today uh one of our speakers uh a few months ago speak and so the work that she's doing uh likely might map into this academic research team going forward so we may find a connection that way but at the moment we're we're really looking for someone that might want to take the lead on this um and so if you have an interest in in this particular research team uh please let me know uh and sorry the research team you're talking about rich is for health care only or hyper ledger in general uh health care yeah it's the real focus yeah the what the genesis was uh adria and i had a phone conversation and probably about a year or so ago maybe a little bit longer and and the discussion really was was around the fact that there really isn't any good uh academic resources that are out there peer reviewed papers uh articles journals so forth that that really are focused on understanding the real value of blockchain technologies in the health care space and so this was an intent this was really intended as a way to sort of drive that in a way to to to help uh facilitate the the the research efforts behind blockchain technologies and and the flip side of that is to to drive some of the existing uh research that's out there to to this group so that we have access to it in the event that uh that we have questions uh if we have because we have oftentimes we have a lot of corporate representatives on these calls that are still trying to understand well how how best might we use blockchain technologies but they want to do it in a very um uh sort of very deep responsible fashion and they need to have some evidence or proof uh that is not biased by you know abc company that has their own flavor of a blockchain solution and there is a faster better for whatever reason but it's you know it's obviously very biased yeah so the the flip side there's two sides to that one is the sort of the doing as you said the first side is doing research in the health care space on on blockchain solutions if you will that are either in progress or you know completed or the thing doing something along that line the second side is bringing blockchain technology into the health care uh group if you will the second part of that not only myself but I think there's other people in the call too um and then the group who can help bring updates on blockchain technology into the group because it certainly I work in that space you know uh I'll call it almost full time um and you know worked with hyper ledger the technology and all that stuff and always working on projects and problems in that space so it's easy to bring stuff in on my end and I know there's other people on the call that also um you know burst IQ and some of the other members of the call also um are technically strong to be able to bring in um you know new information into the group on technology um but you're but flipping it back to the first uh scenario actually doing research with blockchain and health care is really driven to specific projects and so I would think and that's my frustration I'm trying to get closer to projects like that in my case New England area but I'm positive there's many of them going on um I just don't have the direct context to them uh and then from those you could easily build out um you know more formal research papers in support of a project which is you know obviously always done in health care for the most part so that would make sense it's just a matter of getting connected in my case to the projects that are going on in New England space right right yeah and so uh so we'll continue to drive this uh and it really I mean at the end of the day it really uh goes to folks that have a a specific interest in in this area and are willing to to help formulate the team uh keep the team going that would that's that's really kind of what we're looking for here okay uh and then uh we have the hc sig the use case development team uh which was kicked off by wendy and then uh as wendy sort of moved over to the burst IQ side of the world uh erica picked that up and so um erica do you want to talk a little bit about the status and where we're at with us and a little bit maybe about what the team is for um sure so uh initially wendy had been working on this and then I kind of picked it up um and I'm still uh getting it started um I haven't really done much with it this year but I hope to um so this is just a presentation of different use cases in health care um and we really started talking about the um how we can develop really good use cases and what that requires um so that's that's pretty much it um so yeah I hope to I hope to get it started and get um a couple of the use cases going it was I don't have it in front of me but um one of them was supply chain and then there were a few other ones that we were working on and trying to develop exactly which which ones we were going to pursue yeah and and I mean this is really a more of a formalized approach to defining very very good quality very high quality use cases ostensibly we were hoping to do this uh out to the HIMS conference right because one of the things that uh we we got as feedback at last year's HIMS conference uh was the question do you have use cases that that I could look at to under better understand how hyper ledger frameworks uh can be used in the health care space and so I brought that back to this group here and so really that's really kind of how this uh this team got uh came together and again thanks to Wendy for helping to formulate that and sort of get that team kick started and I think yeah I think going forward there's there is really some very good value here uh and and and this really goes a little bit more to to what we're just talking about we have a lot of folks that are very interested in understanding how best to make use of hyper of blockchain technologies but they're they're looking for very good high quality sort of formal approaches to to sort of walking the logic of whether blockchain solutions are appropriate to them or not and so these ease cases uh if done properly and again there's there's there's a you know there's a a sense of maturity to these uh if done properly there's there's a tremendous value there um and so yeah so I I'm really looking forward to to to sort of picking this thing up and continuing this um and uh hopefully we'll we'll get something together yeah definitely and if anyone has an interest in you know kind of building out a use case that they're working with um please let me know um I'm going to go back and kind of revamp what the specific use cases we had started with Wendy were and see if we need to make any changes or if those are the appropriate ones that we want to pursue perfect yeah and if we get to that point where we're ready to sort of move forward again uh again we can use the our our listserv and reach out to the full membership team to to drive interest that way because I I I'd really like to see if there's a way we can get some some use cases out in front of the public done in the way that we really are intending to do it through this that's this development team because this our process is a very very good process here okay uh and for for old business and I think Jim sort of uh brought this up uh we do have an annual survey um and Eric and I sort of did a quick parse on it uh of that of last year's survey um we we sort of parsed it about about a month ago last month and we're due to get the survey out the door uh what I'm looking for is a couple additional folks uh at minimum maybe to do a read through of that existing survey uh I believe it's a google form survey and uh what I my interest is in uh sort of a just a read through of those survey questions and then some some thoughtful discussion around if there are any additional questions that we may want to ask or maybe reframe some of these some of the questions that are there uh just for the sake of identifying any areas of interest that we see value in uh that we haven't uh we haven't maybe uh touched upon in the past you know you don't want to necessarily make significant changes to the survey because you're looking longitudinally and so you want to sort of keep sort of the essence of it but if we're if we're missing out on some nuance uh that needs attention uh I'd love to have someone volunteer uh to help us uh do a do a walkthrough and uh if you're interested I'd be happy uh to make that happen uh really it would be um I'll give you some permissions uh to to do a read through of the survey that's up on one of our shares uh for the group here and and then the plan would be to to generate that survey make push that out to membership ostensibly by end of month uh or possibly early February so we can get this uh get this started and then and collect the data uh and the value of the survey results uh in a lot of ways defines our next year's sort of momentum or or cadence uh for where we want to put focus uh is there anything else uh Erica that you want to you want to mention as far as the survey goes oh no I thought um the survey was in good shape um I thought I covered things I thought it was pretty up to date um I think it'll be a really good way to measure um where everyone's coming from okay okay well good so it it it sounds like uh with at least another pair of eyes on it it sounds like we're in generally pretty good shape so if anyone's interested uh let me know and it'd be great to get another set of eyes on it and maybe some minimal change to it then we can get it out the door okay uh and then I I generally just keep this out there um we we had some discussions in the past on this topic uh and so I I'm just sensitive to it uh it's some of the stuff that I've done in the past uh in in a future world uh when I or I'm sorry in the past world when I was doing more do d work um so these are health care funding opportunities uh these are all generated of uh well the first two generated sensibly through the US government UNICEF is is more international um and these are just opportunities for you to to walk down if you have interest in developing a blockchain technology solution with some government funding both the HHS and NIH generally will do what are called SBIRs or STTRs I call them sitters and Sibbers uh those are small business funding opportunities SBIRs are small business funding opportunities STTRs or sitters are small business funding opportunities with an academic component to it which means that a small business works with an academic institution to uh to drive a solution and then there are also NIH generally will also do grants as well which is you write a proposal and they'll sort of map it to a grant opportunity UNICEF is a little bit different UNICEF tends to to work at a much broader level and so I don't want to spend too too much time on this you can you can review this yourselves um but the there's also opportunity there that um at least a couple months ago uh they had a funding opportunity for for small businesses uh and their their sort of sweet spot was in startups uh that if they had if there was a startup that sort of mapped into a UNICEF uh innovation fund uh opportunity uh you would get funding up to I guess you want to say about a hundred thousand dollars uh but you had to be a fairly small startup and have a concept of a product that you're you're developing against but anyway so that is uh that's sort of an ongoing thing and if I believe uh Stephen Elliott uh operated against a SBIR or a CBER about two or three months ago uh and that came out of one of the one of the threads of discussion that came out of this meeting uh I want to say yeah several months ago maybe maybe late summer something to that effect so so these things do they do happen they do work okay and then uh finally for some new business uh you you probably saw the emails already sort of cycled through um and this is very new I I just I literally just learned about it uh I think it was exactly one week ago uh but there is a hyper January evidently is hyper ledger health month and so um so uh so what that means effectively is uh community leadership is putting some resources to driving uh some some effectively focus to the to this hcc group and it's framed out as hyper ledger health uh they're what they're going to be doing as they're collecting information right now um and they're going to be generating uh sort of blog posts and media events that are really focused around a lot of the work that we do uh within this uh special interest group um so they are looking what the first and foremost they're always looking and of course this is true for anybody and myself included they're looking for folks that are that actually have productions solutions in works in a health in a healthcare context I personally I think that's still a little bit of a a little bit of a rare thing uh out in the wild uh but that's really kind of uh that's sort of the first year of interest that they have in addition uh they're also looking at some very good stories uh I've already passed over Dennis and and the work that he and his team have been doing through hit their subgroup uh over to Jessica and and her team and so I I'm I'm suspecting that we'll get a very good uh perhaps a blog post or an interview out of that uh from Dennis and his team uh through this hyper ledger health uh marketing campaign uh as well as um uh it may be the case that we get some uh some feedback out of some of the work that I've been doing here at Providence Health uh we may find uh some work happening there because uh we're doing a hyper ledger indie project uh internally here uh that's uh that will be part of one of the products that we're doing uh through Providence so if you have uh a first hand interest uh in participating this hyper ledger health uh campaign uh contact uh probably the easiest or more probably most expeditious way is contact Jessica or just go through the you can you can see the email there it's pr at hyperledger.org uh contact Jessica through that email address and and explain to her what your interest is and or what you're willing to sort of contribute to this uh it could be you know it could be just about anything as long as it's related to uh uh health care and black chain technologies in health care as it relates so uh it's a pretty broad sort of category and it's a great opportunity for for anyone perhaps your organizations your your your businesses or companies that you work with to to have some level of feature through the hyper ledger.org site and again they're they're driving this through different media channels and so good opportunity I'll continue to push this in our next meeting as we get closer at the end of the month just in case people still have interest in this but again like I said a great opportunity to get uh some things uh that that you may be working on showcase through hyperledger.org any comments uh any interest uh anyone on the on the call that may be interested in participating in this and Dennis we've got our fingers crossed hopefully we'll get we'll they'll be contacting you with details uh soon on on what their interest is working with you yeah looking forward thank you sure okay uh so that's kind of kind of it uh and and always I I always want to end it by saying if there's anything else that you'd like to see within this health care special interest group please let me know I'm always open to new ideas new approaches anything that you think would add value to to this special interest group and our membership as always please let me know and uh and really finally uh our next meeting is uh is two weeks off from today on on the 24th of the month same time same everything else uh that's two weeks from today and uh we're if if there's nothing else worthy of discussion we can we can end early today but I'll open it up to the group if you've got discussions comments thoughts can I also quick question sure good morning Kent how are you hi I'm Kent in Hong Kong um I've been helping Dennis build the fabric side of the e-consent use case so I've been listening to your description of all the items on the agenda I'm thinking about for example the use case side have you had any requests from the industry on what they want to see on what they want to do uh perhaps that might help focus some of us to deliver a suitable uh demonstration for them tailor for them even yeah that's that's an excellent question Kent so I'll I'll give you kind of uh sort of the rationale for why we put this team together in the first place at least from my perspective uh this again this really happened at last year's HIMS conference uh and uh I was uh I was at the the hyperledger booth and of course uh it it's a great fit to have a hyperledger booth at the HIMS conference because it really uh is a highlight to this this particular special interest group specifically and so what I noticed in in conversations with uh conference attendees uh was that uh people really wanted to have in hand a use case uh or two or three that described how best to make use of blockchain technologies in healthcare well so and I think I've talked about this before in the past I my my first sort of reaction to that is I'm a little I'm a little leery about that because I I don't want people to feel like uh if there if there is no use case then you can't make use of the technology right so I don't want to feel like we're trying to shoehorn a solution into two or three different use cases um but what I learned sort of in retrospect was while those use cases are really helpful from an educational point of view which is to say I could look at a use case kind of infer from that that boy if what we're doing is sort of similar to one of these use cases I might be able to make use of the technology suite just given that the use case that's out there is very similar to our own particular situation so from that perspective and to answer your question specifically are there specific use cases that we've had requests for my response that is no I didn't see a particular pattern uh all I was getting asked was where where are your use cases do you have use cases and so so really that so I brought that back to the team here and you know and and really I think that was Wendy sort of took the lead on this and she had she has this I still remember and I forget the name of it but she has a great white paper that defines sort of what an optimal use case is and sort of the format behind it and the logic behind it uh which is just a phenomenal paper and I'll have to go dig it up I can share what it is yeah yeah please yeah it is a paper written by Horst Treblemeyer Treblemeyer that's it yes it was published in May of 2019 and it describes the difference between in level of detail and integrity between use cases and case studies and it has a listing of details that should be in a paper that has tremendous value and integrity so it's available for anyone to download on frontiers and blockchain so just google frontiers and blockchain and you can see the articles there but Horst Treblemeyer's paper is among the first published in that newer journal and it was um his last name is T-R-E-I-B-L oh shoot now I can't think of though having to spell the rest of his name and yeah and I'm looking because I thought we had posted up on the site here and we definitely did and it's yeah of course now I can't quite find oh thank you Erica yeah I I just I found uh I found the article but I can I can actually post a link to it here okay perfect thank you it's really the model for how to publish a paper that involves enough integrity for like medical organizations or academically oriented organizations to appreciate the value yeah yeah an excellent paper I mean Treblemeyer's paper is an excellent paper so yeah so we'll we'll try to get that up on the site in a in a way that we can get to it easily but uh so so can't yeah so really there was at least for me there was no uh there was no specific uh thread or pattern that I I saw it was simply that people were expecting to have use cases in hand and again I was very skeptical about it because I thought well it just felt felt initially felt like a bit of a crutch that if if if their solution or their situation wasn't identified in a in a specific use case they wouldn't it wouldn't the use of blockchain technologies simply wouldn't apply and there's there's a danger to that but again like I said I kind of learned after the fact that it's like well no it's actually a great opportunity to sort of understand kind sort of context of where blockchain technologies might might be best suited so yeah so I'll go ahead and I would like to add when you're done with this thread go ahead okay um I was hoping that perhaps uh the attendees to the global forum and hymns can maybe canvas or pick up some hints on what they want and and we can just try and have a top three category of categories of things that they want and then we can just try and tackle one or maybe a few of them yes I think that's a great idea Kent yeah thanks thank you thanks Wendy and Erica um Jim Mason can I ask a question so um part of another group on blockchain um from where it was heavily focused before which is automotive space and of course the reason I transitioned to look at healthcare was after talking to Steven Elliott I realized we were 95 overlap on what I call features functions um security governance all that stuff between healthcare and I'll call it the mobility world as well and had all the same problems actually so when I was looking at it the thing that was interesting is in the mobility space I see in healthcare we have standards groups and organizations so we do have standards out there like for data exchange we have hl7 you know there's a whole thing around that as well so there's lots of different standards in healthcare space that probably depending on what you're looking at in the blockchain space for mobility we really have one major organization so there's many in mobility there's many different organizations too many standards as well but for blockchain specifically there's actually one group this movie group that I work on that's big so it has you know 80 percent of all the OEMs in the world are connected into this one group trying to figure out okay how do we do specifically blockchain not use cases in mobility but specifically blockchain for those use cases and it's it's a completely different approach then I guess what I'm seeing on the healthcare side where you know we're hoping we have lots of different um I'll put people involved somehow but over there they have this one organization and it's literally not cheap to belong to it's I think a minimum of $5,000 a year to become a member you know so you don't have individuals joining your companies and stuff but because of that because of who they get participating there's I'll put very strong focus and progress on um standardization and actually back to the point about you know what do you want to see as features there's no question of that because we're blowing through that at a pretty aggressive pace you know what I mean so we've got a team you know multiple teams actually kind of like your group here we have multiple teams over there working actively on producing different outputs but the key is we don't have some of the players we have most of the players in the space who are significant you know I'll call it connected to the group which is a big plus you know I mean if that makes any sense yeah yeah and and so I mean it may be the case that sort of going forward we end up engaging a sort of large organizations that see value and they they may drive some of the direction here for for what what these use cases might go to and I think maybe that's in some on some measure kent's point which is well what is it that people are asking for and then we can sort of you know go from there uh and yeah and and from my own point of view and and maybe and I want to have Wendy sort of get the final word on this at least from my point of view I I just don't see that sort of trend or pattern quite yet probably supply chain uh you know stepping back supply chain probably is what I hear people talk about most but that isn't necessarily in always in a healthcare context but you know that's that's what I tend to hear a little bit more often than than other other specific use cases Wendy did you want to follow on following that you know there um now that I am working for a blockchain company I see traction in lots of different areas um and I work for a company that actually puts PHI on chain and so there are entire medical practices on blockchain now so I I think that there's tremendous potential um in in many different areas from my own uh search of academic literature I've accumulated about 150 different use cases for healthcare and so um I I would suggest that there's potential in many different areas hey and while I'm talking I wanted to share a couple things I put in a link for the entire group about a publication that that I had written that was published in November in Frontiers for Blockchain it is about the regulatory compliance considerations for research and make sure that if you are including anything for a research in blockchain that you make sure to mention the regulatory considerations now sorry for those of you who are not us in the US because this is a US focused publication but it it provides a good framework and I'm really honored that this was this publication was distributed widely around the FDA and also in many distribution lists for the Department of Health and Human Services so please do um check that out also um Burst IQ is looking for partners to do research with and so I know there was discussions earlier about research and while we we don't use hyper ledger but hyper ledger can be added to the Burst IQ platform and we are seeking partners who want to do an academically rigorous research study so that we can demonstrate return on investment and the framework that I like to use for and in mixed method health information technology research to identify effectiveness efficiency and satisfaction so if any of you have a project where you would be interested in studying it more rigorously please do let me know so that we could we could talk about what this would look like oh very interesting uh thank you so much for that Wendy excellent yeah and please please keep us posted on uh any any of those opportunities for the community that'd be great absolutely your article is excellent it's absolutely excellent so oh thank you very much I have been flattered at how much attention it's gotten most of the time regulatory articles uh are not very popular um they're kind of dense but um we have received feedback that it served to educate blockchain companies who may not be involved in regulatory compliance that there are components that they have to build into their solution from the beginning and you can't it's it's too difficult to retrofit any technology to meet the regulations so and one of the things I'm doing for Burst IQ 2 is establishing firm documentation for what the what a blockchain needs to do in order to meet part 11 capabilities for the US which is for FDA regulated research so and and let's we're gonna have to leave it here we are at the top of the hour and I want to be mindful of anyone that's following on for the next meeting so thank you everybody a great conversation good discussion and we will see you in two weeks so thanks everybody take care thank you bye bye