 Well, no, she's not speaking. We don't have to do our thing this time. Right. With that, with that change. Do I have the motion to approve the agenda as. Admitted. We want papers. Second. Motion is being seconded all in favor. So I all opposed. Motion. Everything. Public public. That. Okay. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I know he stayed didn't quite get there last month. We were trying to do a. Trying to get 200,000 and see that streak of. One, two, five months alive. And we didn't make, we got 186,000, which. You know, we were projected in 98. So we pushed that number makes feel really good. So that's super. Round wise. Staying the same. 200 here short, but I will confess to the board. Yeah, I figured something out in the last. In the last week. With our new point of sale system, we had to train all of our employees, right? I thought I had everybody trained perfectly. So when you, when you do a prepaid round. Okay. So the prepaid round and book it online. It's prepaid. We get the money. I ring that, that money in the next morning. And then when the, when the customers come. We check them into the T sheet. Okay. You can, so when you check them on in, you can put it, you can click on the check mark and that gives them a blue check mark. And it looks like they're checked in. But you need to go one step further and click on the shopping cart. Taking through the shopping cart, even though it's a zero transaction. You've got to take them through the shopping cart. And then once it's through the shopping cart and you close the order, then it counts as an official round. Everybody follow that? Almost all of my staff followed that perfectly. Almost. So 2,938 rounds that I spent the last week bringing in as I went through every day's T sheet to, to find all those rounds that weren't counted. Now there's zero rounds. We got the money. But I couldn't figure out why, why our rounds were so low and, and that was it. So now all of a sudden, as we near the end of October, I'm back up over 37,000 rounds. So as you can see, if you look at the actual rounds, 31,005, well, boy, I had a good October. Didn't I? Well, that's why. So I'll try to get Danny if she can in her spreadsheet to spread those out over the summer months. So it looks a little bit more realistic. But anyway, we're doing a little better on rounds. Now than we were. But what a great year. And this month we're doing real good too. We think we just went over a hundred thousand for, for October as of today. Hopefully we'll, you know, get a few more, four more good days in and maybe get to that, that 113 that we got to last year. That would be great. And although it looks like the weekend is going to let us down starting from Friday, but we were due to get some weather. But it's been a great year. I can't say enough. I don't think you can see the board again this year. Can't say enough about the golf course this year and about the job right. It just proved to do with a 46 year old irrigation systems. My math is correct. This is what we see. Then 46 zero. Okay. I think about it a lot. So anyway, with an irrigation system that'll have a golf course in the condition that we had it in all years. Thanks to Ryan, it was guys just can't say enough. We had an educational here in 14th and 15th of March. The sheer volume of amazing feedback from out of town golfers was off the charts. So there's great. Huh? Yeah. October one. Yeah. The March when we, of course in the old Boston March, but the October got brave. So can't say enough. Any questions at all for doing people? Thank you. Thank you. Kind of in the same boat there with the way Keith has been saying it. Projected for sunset revenue wise for September was 52,000. 720 actual came in at 68,351 rounds. Projected at 3626 actual was 43. And unfortunately for the weather this weekend, the slopes down, but yeah, it's been, it's just still been super busy. Saturday, not in stop all open to close Sunday. Sure it was the same way. They even still the same. He said it all. Golf courses are fantastic. Absolutely. Brian and Dan also say that because I've been out to you a couple of times to give some lessons. Horses are just, just perfect. So I'm sure it's sweet. Anyone got questions for sunset? I have a comment. I have played sunset Monday Friday with two other adult seniors and a senior woman. So of course that started asking about the course. And so if I at the end, I said, okay, on a scale of one to 10. How do you rate everything? Because the ladies themselves, they were there and he said, or they said, how about a nine? So I said, well, on a scale of one to 10. That's pretty good. I said, but what, why not 10? And he said, well, you know that tree on a six. There's enough on the left-hand side. It's got a great, great as he comes out. He didn't take that off. That is the number one complaint. But of course, that will significantly make that whole a lot easier. And then once that tree officially like eventually goes, I know the feeling now, all too well, I believe on Thursday I smoked that for you. Anything else, sunset? Uh, do you creak? Yes. Yeah, yeah, war was saved. It's been a great year and a great September as well. And the rounds certainly show it. Revenues for September 2029,000. Which is year to date. Two September when we had her 87. And for the month, 24,000 in the year, almost 200,000. Which is great. Then the rounds, which I think we're reading. Well, if you need a lesson, just let me know. Tell you what, it's like reading code now I can pull up a sheet. I'll give you my password. Our rounds were at. 36,000 916 through September, which is 551. I had a prior year. I think it was a good year. But I'm kind of. Maybe you could go back and make sure. Our staff is going to do that correctly. I'm pretty sure they are. I guess it's worth the check. When I have time. I ran the numbers for October and month to day. 145,000. Which. For you. We got a region of milestone over 2 million. Through our vote. Month. So. It's great here. Or is it an awful shade? Confinering it. No, of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. It'sСF3 it's, it's. If you're again in this criminal. It'll lie. No. No. Sorry. You don't even. Any other questions? All three provost. Would do a big task at John. I can start. So I'll start with giving an update on the irrigation bond project. So we're getting closer and closer to the project physically starting. We have a pre-construction meeting scheduled this Thursday morning, where the ACC is doing the work. We're going to get a lot of information on how they're going to start or know for sure when they're going to start bringing in equipment and parts. So a lot of information this Thursday, I'll know a lot more about, but right now I've heard that they feel like they're going to start showing up next week for good weeks. And also, I've been told they're thinking of starting in the sunset kind of next week also, but they're replacing the irrigation heads because we have a small spot or not spot, small stash of sprinkler heads from when the project was originally started. I was thinking of starting that project and then hopefully have sunset wrapped up on 3rd or 4th Thanksgiving, but I had heard that part of sunset. So that would just leave the remainder part of sunset of the continuation of being reworked with pumps and motors. But I've been heard in confirmation that they're going to do that for sure. It's all different on the weather. The one crew is up at the top of the mountain, the other one's up there. So all the temps on what the weather does up in the mountains come down here. So beyond that, we're moving towards the direction of what's going to get started soon. We'll know a lot more on Thursday morning when they're here to share the data with us. So if everyone has any other questions about that project? Any questions? The next thing is very, very interesting. I can talk about the creek maintenance facility real quick too. That's part of the old business. So we got moved out of our facility off of Highway 66 in September 12th through the 14th. We got all of our stuff out of the hatchet, all of it out of the garage, both garages, and we're moved up to the middle area by the clubhouse where we kind of originally decided or wanted to go and then got shut down. So we got a temporary trailer up there. We got a big area of the fenced in so we can have all our equipment and a couple of mini mobiles to store all of our tools and our mechanic has a little work area in there, which he also works out at Sandstone Ranch so we can have a concrete floor and that's all that happens. So yeah, we got moved out, got going. The construction company got all their stuff moved in there and then came the asbestos abatement and we hit a hit a big snag again. So we're waiting on the asbestos people to get their permit or their license with the state expired right before they were supposed to start our project. So we've wasted about a few weeks of perfect weather and then yeah, the construction guys are sitting down there, we're sitting, the whole place is empty and nothing's happening. So it's kind of the way it's been going, but hopefully we can get somebody else in there or they will have their license by they hope to have had it Friday. I don't think it's happening. So we're probably going to get somebody else in there and try to get rolling stuff. So yeah, because it'll take a good two to three weeks to get all the asbestos stuff out and then they can flatten every well then the fire department wants to come in and do some training in the house and all that and then they can flatten it and start digging butters and all that same. So yeah, it's kind of the way it's working, but it'll get there. Any other old business? Okay, we'll go on to the new business saying we're going to be we just discussed twenty three four. That's the good we should. I mean, I don't know, two that I wouldn't get. Yep. So in your package, you should have information for the three courses, what it costs for our current rates in two thousand and twenty three and what the new rates would be if we raised anywhere between five eight or ten percent. Also in your packet, Danny had done a really nice job of calling other golf courses to kind of get a comparison of what they have available for their passes and memberships. And one of the things that you really see in that information is nobody does things the same way. So it's virtually impossible to compare apples to apples on any of the different products or opportunities that we provide. So we as a staff would like to propose to the board that we look at eight percent increase for passes and memberships twenty three. We went back in and looked and we believe that passes and memberships have not been increased since two thousand and eighteen. And so it's it's really time that we do that. The price increase should probably be more than the eight percent, but we feel like that is a fair amount to raise things at this time. And that we would bring rates back for you for two thousand and twenty five and have this same conversation with you next year. So does anybody have any questions or comments or back in 2018 how happy to raise the rates? What was the change? I don't remember the percentage, but it was it was not close to I would say it was close to three to four percent. And did you see any sort of big line in browns? But the pass they've not I'm sorry they don't get up with our increase in green fees. Right. Unpersevered. So eight percent is actually very conservative. Oh, actually no. I'm in Ronald Ward. So the other thing that I should probably mention is that if we I met with John last week and he made a suggestion of what what's the number of passes that that we currently have for two thousand and twenty three that numbers around nine hundred with a total revenue amount of just over four hundred thousand dollars. So although this is a very important component because the amount of money that we bring in is not it doesn't really show coming rounds because I think the folks that take advantage of passes and memberships are really playing their parts out and and so again four hundred thousand dollars is not enough. A lot of money, but there are a lot of people that are not those that again are playing a lot. Probably stayed a hundred dollars for a year. I didn't see it when I was I don't know if it was forty forty five or whatever. But I just I'm curious as myself. So that's a hundred dollars, you again? Yeah. Well, we can drop that. No, I and that's really it's really there for those folks that want to play a lot of golf and and I think they are you know it's a good product. I think it's a fair product for most people that are really committed to Longmont golf and but I but I do think they were sent as a fair increase. Any discussions from the board earlier about that? If not, then we are going to make a motion to raise the passes eight percent for twenty twenty four. So one question is from reading the other places as well that David put up, was there any thought of doing the range punch card which I saw in some of the ones we do I know we do do you do that here? Yes, we do that both here and that you create different and just wasn't sure we did Yeah, there is and punching very much and you know we'll be going up to that range where it's go up and we'll stop give in those Yeah, I think that you should see that on the range pass. You can see that on here and so sure. And when we thought about it, we thought about all the passes right in the area across the board. In the other discussion, I have a motion to raise passes eight percent for eight percent. Do I have a second? So the motions are made to raise eight percent for twenty four. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Anything else, Jeff? I would this is more of an item from staff, but would like to if we take a few minutes this evening to kind of follow up what we talked about at the last time that that would be mad and trying to make sure that staff is bringing things to you as a board that you feel provide value and make it worth your time to be on the advisory board. I think that you know what came out of last time's meeting that passes and leadership was a part of that. But what other things can we bring to you that you would like to see in the months to come? It's going to be a long way, Jeff, but just to the end, I want to come here. So yeah, are you spending the next year? I don't want to one up that, but I spent my 75th birthday in a city council. That's how I celebrated last Tuesday night. I'm just saying. Well, my birthday on that was Jeff. Yeah, I turned 85. All right, any other discussions from staff? I'm going to go to the water in the spot there, but what what does council? Well, I don't know that I can speak for council. I can speak for me. Sure, right? And I've been sitting here, you know, waiting. Should I say what I'm about to say, but since that's and I'm going to say I sit on, you know, as you in the role of council, you get assigned to serve as liaison right to boards of commissions. And there's a learning curve that goes with that, right? In terms of what what do you what would I bring to any of these? And what should I take back to council? So part of the role is just keeping council members informed. So that's part of my job. What I've always wished, or honestly, that the boards of commissioners that I that I have liaison or two would have higher expectations for for the not that these guys aren't doing a great job, but for how that's how it's supported by the city, not just the golf board, the library and what the library board does the museum and what the museum board does. And one of what I was waiting about, whether or not I should say this, one of my objectives, maybe wasn't an objective, one of my aspirations, when I ran for council, was to see that new creek got finished, right? And not I just had this conversation with Sam, you know, when I was volunteering, increasing 100% of cancer. So I don't know if I owe anybody an apology, but I was unsuccessful in making much progress. Other than we have a design that was funded at 400 and some 1000 dollars a couple of years ago. And we're going to spend about 60 of that. Oh, okay. There we go. So there's is any of that left in an account? Yes. Yes. Because at the time, well, I just I'll leave it at this. When we built this year's budget, by the way, every year I've recommended to the city manager and I'm not being critical of the process, understand the process and health and safety issues and, you know, all of the competing priorities that go into building the city's budget. But this year in particular, kind of the mantra for building the budget was let's not introduce new things until we finish things that we have started. And I've said, and I'm on the record public, the one project that started in 1995 is yet to be finished is the U create plugins, right? So whether you all support, you know, moving forward that or not, I do think that in addition to advising staff, there are times where if you have expectations for this for the operation for the city, you ought to be out front on this, right? When the bond question, when this group was asked, whether or not it support the 2018. Yes, yeah, yeah, bond question. My recommendation, I was liaison here, and my recommendation was, you say yes to that with a qualification, we would support that. And we'd like to see you finish the new Creek golf course. So these guys aren't in a position to advocate, they're going to get asked about budget priorities. And you're not, your role isn't as advocates, you're as advisers. But every once in a while, if there's a gap between reality and aspiration, I don't, I don't think you should bash what I'm saying. Why would we not see more progress on this? And I understand across the city, I've heard it from people to say, your, my priorities are screwed up, because I give voice to, you know, we ought to finish that project. You know, my response to this, I think in 1995, the city said, we're going to do this. And there's something about keeping you awarded 30 years later, not 20 years later, maybe it's time to do that. Not just on that project, on other projects in the city and some of the parks and rainways and the kinds of things that are what I've done. So I would love from time to time to hear from advisory boards, express what your expectations are for the city, and for the kinds of attention and the kinds of resources that in this case, our golf courses deserve. I've raised women through the budget and process just saying, so again, I was told this time that probably that's not going to happen until we find a restaurant and there's a woman to do a public private partnership. I asked that six years ago, would you be interested in a public private partnership? I'd like to find somebody, you know, and then that was part of the conversation with Sam, because I didn't want to squeeze him out of one of his revenue strengths, ways to put that together that would work for Sam, work for you, create, work for the community. But on the east side of town, I don't think that's an extravagance. I think that is keeping good faith with what we said we were going to do in the development of a golf course around which a bunch of housing was permitted with the expectation that the golf course would be where the clubhouse would be furnished. So thanks for the question. Didn't know what I might do with that, but I don't think you want to be reticent to express your expectations and don't lay on these gathers. Put it together, a board chair shows up during public and private beard and shares what their perspectives are. Other boards and commissions have done that. You see items, whether you agree with what's on the ballot right now in terms of the three ballot questions, the municipal ballot questions, every one of them is there, partly because an advisory board said we ought to, there's a standard we ought to be meeting if we're not meeting in terms of the rehab and resource for the library, what we need in terms of the recreation package. Parks and Rec Advisory Board was very similar. I'd like to think I helped with that at something. We haven't had that conversation here, but I hope you keep that top of mind. And this will be my last opportunity to do that speech you're finding. So I appreciate it. Thanks, Tim. So hopefully I didn't get you in trouble. Not yet, but I feel like I tried to get me in trouble. I want to know what I did for my money out of time. So what was passed in 1995? In 1995, it's when the U.C. golf course, which is approved by Council, but I don't believe there was a vote for that. I believe that it was based on revenue bonds to pay it back. Well, those were the days where that's pre-taping. You know, you didn't have to have a vote for it. You could do a revenue bond. Yes. But if you were to, so here's just, just your fat toy, all right, to keep the vacuum on. In 1995, I don't know who I think it probably was the museum that took the lead on creating a time capsule for a long time. And anything that anybody thought was worthy of recognizing 25 years later, let's put that in a time capsule. So there are a number of things, artifacts, that went into the time capsule. 25 years later, that time capsule was opened. And one of the artifacts that somebody thought was so important to put in there was the brochure on Ukraine, what had been approved, what the public could expect. It was a high enough priority. It was a big enough aspiration. People were excited at the level to make it one of the most important documents to take a look at 25 years later. I happen to be there. I'd already been in this conversation with Jeff and Carol Thilters Sam about finishing work. And the time, and I didn't know this was in there, time capsule opens up. And one of the things, one of the documents was pulled out was the information brochure on the re-golfers. And what an addition is going to be to the community and what the clubhouse and the golf course was all going to need, you know, to the community. And I thought, you know what, 25 years later, that was two years ago, right, 25 years later, we hadn't finished a project that was important enough to remember in the town camps. Three years later, at least, we're in the same place other than we have a design. So I might still be still trying to beat that drum as a resident on the east side of the town. But if I hadn't made much progress as a council member, I'm probably going to make much progress as a golfer and as an advocate board. So I'm, you know, that's one of the regrets, Sam, that we didn't get that done. But it was exciting to think about it. And I'm really going to have to think about it. Jeff, one for one. I mean, would you got it while holding it? Were you out of the designing? And maybe once we complete all of the other projects, maybe that's not going to happen to us. So as a board, here, listen to that. The ball, the ball rolls a little bit, right? Half the roll. The only way it's going to keep rolling is if you all take an interest in this. But otherwise, it's so far outside of that. So one last thing, John. So if you, if everybody could be just thinking about things that would help provide more value, things you would like to hear. And then at some point time, talking about the number of meetings, we had gone to every other month for a period of time. We aren't scheduled to meet in November, December. If you want to do that, we certainly can meet more often. But that's, that's up to you all on whether you want to do that, or we can wait till January, have the conversation then and side hall if we want to meet moving forward. Because usually when the agenda items, the first meeting in January, we can sort of discuss it. Okay. Anything else from the staff? Yeah. I was going to say, I would like to know, you know, because I know it's not going to die and something like that. I think of all the things that a nice facility would bring to the community besides golf. I mean, you know, weddings, conferences, and all the things that happened with our beautiful backdrop, I would like to know how we can put more pressure or at least keep it in focus. And one of the things that get me talked about the union last week, I brought up to definitely what Anne was just saying, and I said, it would be like this room would be used more for something other than golf. And I talked to him about it. It looked like a really feasible thing to me. It was to do kind of the volume of stuff going on, et cetera. Well, as an example, today, I had to kick people out of here today for just me. So, you know, if we had another room that was bigger, or if that was built out there, and that was portioned off, and we had a way to do that, where we could get more seating. But in the small room, we had a couple of weddings here that if you have a wedding that has more than 55 people involved, you get 55 people and you're very comfortable. It's a nice, really nice thing. And so for small things, we do quite a few of those. But overall, you know, it's just not big enough. So as you talk about design, if you think that design, I'm sitting here going, well, because I'm listening to the description of how that's going to turn out. But this place, more often than not, I'm telling people, you know, I'll get calls to rent it on a fair amount. But the priority has to be the golfers. Because if the golfers come up in the golf course, and they want to come in and they want to gather and have a drink and have something to eat, they need to be able to do that. And if this is always locked up for all the different events, that's not fair to the golfers. So I've always made it the priority is the golfers first. Now in the wintertime, we definitely welcome more events. But unfortunately, very few folks get married. And the design of the clubhouse has taken that into account so that we have a place for golfers, as well as event people. It was pretty neat last year. I was away on vacation got a call from some wedding planner and their their venue blew up on. And I literally worked with this lady and we planned a wedding while I was on vacation and they did it while I was away. And it went off perfectly. It was unbelievable. But again, it was a small one and it was the end of the assembly. A lot of things happened here one year and you know, he was in the occupation when the fire happened as well. We're calling him in Hawaii. So one more word. That's that conversation stays in the way. The way other boards have expressed their interest or concern to kill us through a resolution. Right. And it is something that staff can help you know, that whoever is your liaison would help get on an agenda, not just public invited heard, but a resolution for the golf advisory board. Whereas whereas whereas whereas whereas we made these promises for as we do not have, especially on the east side of town, but I would say, you know, you ought to think about all of us just as we were just talking about, you know, the possibility of using shooting. I know the next time I'm going to be here, it'll be with a bunch of golfers, but not for being like this. That's going to be would pay off on our fantasy golf. It's going to be a lot of beer pizza. For now, the enchantments. We've got a big set yet for that. So think about putting your tip or thought on look to self. When you come back in January, what would be the appropriate time? I can tell you what would be between January 1st and April 1st, because the first budget discussion is going to be first Tuesday of March or two first Tuesday of May, and he's going to be asked for his budget recommendations during the months of March and April. You know, if that's something you're interested in, by resolution, at least you can express yourself and let people know you'll be paid real close attention. Then budget presentations are made and you have a question if you'd like to accept and if we need to, because those are great. Anything else for the board? Just a quick one. On a Thursday, you can screw rough day in front of you, but people in front of you really slow. So. Oh, it's great. Was it? Was it good? All right. It's not a great idea. And slow was wonderful. Okay. Yeah. I mean, when you get, you know, I don't get to spend a lot of time with these guys, and two of the guys are my own sunset buddies that, you know, I spent a ton of time with never actually played golf again. So to spend, as far as I'm concerned, it could have been four hours out of in here. So the speed of play is perfectly slow. Perfectly slow. And it was wonderful. It wasn't bad, but, you know, everybody had a great time. We had a luncheon and golf on Thursday for all the maintenance staff to celebrate for a good year and take them for all the work that they see. I agree. Somehow Keith got in there. That's true. Also, Keith and Sam and Ryan really don't get recognized enough for all the work that they do with the golf courses and none of what happened without them. Thank you to them as well. This may go to City Council members who are not invited. Anything else from the board? Well, I'd like to say two things. One, this year has been an honor for me to be the chairman. I certainly enjoyed it, and I've learned over the last couple of years so much about golf, and I didn't know. That's for sure. So I want to thank all of you very much and anything else. Is there a motion to adjourn our last meeting? Over 20, 23, the motion? Motion to adjourn. Second. Second. Motion was agreed. And seconded to adjourn our meeting. All of you will say aye. Aye. All opposed. Very efficient. Happy Thanksgiving. Thank you. Happy Festivus.