 Welcome to our What's On at EVGU webinar. It's now 11 days from this year's virtual assembly. So we'll be looking through some of the content attendees can expect and what to consider when planning a program. My name is Simon Clark. I'm the EDU's committee program coordinator. And today's structure we have two speakers of slight change in the program. After all speakers have finished, we'll have a Q&A session. If you have a question, please enter it by clicking on the Q&A tab at the bottom of the screen. In that tab you can also upload questions. The questions for the most votes will likely to be asked to the panel. We'll try to get through all questions during this session. Just to let you know this webinar will also be recorded and uploaded to our YouTube channel, which is EuroGIS. So, following from that, I'm just going to introduce our guest speakers for today. Our first speaker is Chloe Hill, is the EDU policy officer. She has also convener of multiple use of HOSIA short courses and networking sessions. And our second speaker for the slight change program is Jenny Atherton, who is the incoming Deputy Unified ECS representative today. So, without any further ado, I'd like to introduce Chloe to discuss subjects and policy. Great, thank you so much Simon. So, hi to everyone. As Simon mentioned, I am the EDU's science for policy officer or just policy officer. And I will be running a couple of different science and policy activities throughout the general assembly this year. And today during my presentation, I'm just going to talk firstly about what science and policy is because I know some of you are listening today. You might not have heard the term before. Secondly, about why you should come to these sessions, why you should want to learn more about science and policy. And then I'll just be sharing a few of the different sessions that we'll be running throughout the general assembly. So to do this, I'm going to share a PowerPoint, which I'm going to do now. So, firstly, like I said, what is science for policy? Policy is a process of transferring information or knowledge or research from a scientific community or an individual researcher to policymakers with the intention to create evidence informed policy. Now evidence informed policy is ideally the result of science or policy. This is a policy or a decision that is guided by evidence. Now evidence is just one component of any policy decision, but from my perspective it is an important component. And it helps policymakers to find the pathway that has the most beneficial outcomes. So this is a very theoretical sort of description and I don't expect that you understand what science or policy is with these two sentences. But if you do want to learn more about what it is comes to one of the sessions and I'm about to talk about. And there's a couple of other reasons why you might want to come to these sessions too. So some of the benefits of actually being a scientist who engages with policy are also on the screen. I'm going to talk about some of those now. So these are reasons why you might want to come to some of the sessions I'm about to talk about and learn a bit more about what science or policy is and how you as a scientist can engage with the policymaking process. So the first one is to assist in evidence informed policymaking that benefits society. So a lot of scientists actually really want their research to have some sort of impact that's beneficial for society. And one way of doing this is actually sharing your research with policymakers and telling them how they can make these decisions in a way that has the least negative results. So this is one reason why scientists do engage in science policy. Another one is to is less altruistic but is to increase the impact of your research. So when we are publishing research in journals, a lot of the time the only people who read the research that's published in a scientific journal are colleagues. So other scientists who are researching the same area as us and very often if it's not communicated to a broader audience, it won't be seen by the public and it won't be seen by policymakers. And the impact is really within the scientific community. And of course, you know, we add to the knowledge of humanity, which is great, but there's a lot of other ways in which you and your research can have an impact in society. And that might be through sharing it with the public in a broad sense in a way that they can understand so limited amounts of scientific jargon, but it also might be with policymakers. So that is another motivation for a lot of scientists. Now the third one I have here is to expand your network and opportunities. So once you start engaging with policy, you're going to meet a lot of different people were not just policymakers but other stakeholders, people who are working in the private sector, people who are working with NGOs. And once you start meeting these people and seeing the opportunities that exist, you have many doors open for you. So that is another reason that you might want to engage in science of policy and another reason why you might want to learn more about it. So how can you learn more about it can attend these sessions. So I'm going to present a few different sessions. I'm starting out with the Union wide sessions. So in this case, it's Union symposia and it's great debates. These are the two I think are most policy relevant. Both of these have policymakers speaking in them. And you can join them to see how Geoscience connects with different policy issues. So the first one is integrating Geoscience into the European Green Deal. Now the Green Deal is a really hot topic in policy right now, but it's also really connected with the Geosciences in a lot of different ways. So the Green Deal talks a lot about climate change, for example, mitigating climate change, a lot about biodiversity. And there you can connect it with soil biodiversity, you can collect it with pollution and all of this kind of thing. And there's a huge range of topics where Geoscientists are actually really important. And the second one is a climate emergency and ecological emergency, how the pandemic can help save us. So this particular session will look at how scientists, how we as a scientific community have reacted to the pandemic. And you know how we've actually communicated the issues to the public to policymakers, what we've done really well as a scientific community and what we haven't done so well. And what we where we can improve when we're communicating about other crises, such as the climate emergency. And both of these sessions will have policymakers in them. So there'll be a couple from the Commission, David Ma from the Joint Research Center of the Commission, as well as Andrea Hinwood, who is a who is the Chief Scientist for the United Nations Environment Programme. So some quite high level policymakers will be there. And you will actually have the opportunity to ask them questions as well. So the vast majority of these of these two unions symposia will be presentations you'll be hearing from policymakers and from scientists who engage with policy, but you'll also be able to ask some questions towards the end. So if you do want to have more of an interactive perspective, I recommend these short courses. So I'm sure if you're attending this presentation, you've probably been to a general assembly before. You probably know there's a lot of different types of sessions, there's scientific sessions where you present your research. There's these union wide sessions that are quite high level, but then there's also short courses and short courses are really, really great for expanding your skill set. They might not necessarily be exactly on your area of expertise or your area of research, but they will help you develop in other ways. So these are the three that I think probably relate to science policy the most. The first one is your handbook to science for policy. And this session directly relates to the handbook that you can see on the side here. Now this handbook was written last year by the European Commission's Joint Research Center and if you haven't already taken a look at it, I really do recommend it. It's hugely beneficial. It is free online. There's a bunch of chapters. It's really long. But basically this session invites two of the authors, so Martha and Lena, to present on a couple of the chapters that they think will be most relevant to each of you members. So they'll be presenting on how you can interact more effectively with policymakers and what scientists need to look out for. So this particular session will obviously have a couple of presentations, but will also be very focused on Q&A. So you can come along and ask people who have written this handbook your own questions and have them answered. The second one is how to influence policy through engaging with parliaments. Now, again, this one is quite interactive, but it will focus on the parliament rather than the commission as in the previous short course I mentioned. Now the commission and the parliament are two separate policy entities and both have very different opportunities and different methods for engaging with science and policy. So if you're a scientist, you can engage with both of these different institutions, but in very different ways. So this one really focuses on the parliaments. And again, we'll have two guest speakers, one coming from the UK parliament, from the UK Knowledge Exchange Unit, and the other will be coming from Stoa, which is the European Parliament's panel on science. Basically, and they try and work with scientists to get more science into policy. So that will be presenting on how scientists can interact better with parliament and a couple of the opportunities that exist for you to do that. And the third one there is more broadly about communication. Of course, this is also relevant for when you're communicating with policymakers, but it's also relevant if you are talking to the public. So those are the three I would recommend. Now, these are all linked in a policy blog that I'll put in the chat after I finish presenting. So if you have any questions about these, obviously you can ask, please put your questions in the Q&A box. But I'll also link a blog post that has a bit more details about all of these sessions once I finish speaking. Okay, so the third thing I want to just talk about quickly are the networking sessions. Now, these networking sessions are something that's quite new and quite unique to this general assembly and something that I'm really, really excited about. These networking sessions are the opportunity for you to actually meet other EU participants as well as experts. And they're very interactive. So instead of being a webinar format like we have today, there'll be a mostly there will be a zoom meeting format. So you'll be able to talk to each other. You'll have the opportunity to turn your own microphone on and really get into some discussions. The first one I have listed here, all of these are in the second week of the general assembly as well. So at the same time that you'll be maybe presenting your research. The first one I have listed here is a science of policy meet and greet. Now this session will have 10 science of policy experts that have been hand selected by me to come in and talk to you in small breakout rooms about what they do at the science of policy interface and answer your questions that you have. So this is the aim of this session is really so that you can meet some of these people, but also so you can meet others who are also interested in engaging and sort of bounce off each other. It's only for an hour, but I hope it'll be very relaxed, very informal, and just a good way to meet some of these people. The second one will focus on the EU's science of policy pairing scheme. This is an annual pairing scheme that the EU does every year that supports an EU member going into the European Parliament for a week or a couple of days and actually working directly with an MAP and their team. So we actually have two of our former pairing scheme members joining us for this panel discussion and they'll talk about some of their experiences, the lessons they learnt, how they think they could have potentially, you know, improve their experience and things like that. And we're also hoping to have someone from the Parliament side as well, although that's not confirmed yet. And this will also give you the opportunity to talk with them and ask your own questions as well. And if you are interested in participating in this pairing scheme, I'd really recommend that you attend this session so you can learn a little bit more about it. And the third one we have here is just pitching your policy ask to a policymaker. So this one is, again, run by both someone from Stowa and someone from the UK Parliament directly after the short course on the previous slide. And this will actually be more of a workshop. So you'll be able to ask your own questions, but you'll also be asked to bring a pen and paper or just your computer screen so that you can actually work through some of your policy asks and how you would go about doing that. So the overarching aim of all of these is to meet and interact with those on the interface of science and policy, get practical tips, work out how you can put them into practice and to have your questions answered. The second final thing I just want to mention quickly is another opportunity that we're piloting this year, never has it been done before and I'm quite excited about it. But it's pairing people up so you as scientists as members as people who are attending our general assembly with an expert who is working at the science and policy interface. Now this is, we're going to see how we go with this there will be limited spaces, but essentially, there is a submission form which I'll also link in the chat that you can use. And you will submit your questions in here, I will take a look at the questions you have and try to find the right expert to answer those questions. And once I've paired you up I'll try and find a time that suits both of you. And you can have a 15 minute zoom meeting with this person and just have a chat with them. It's a really good way of getting to meet someone who's working interface and maybe you know, make that connection for later on. It's also a really good way to get some personalized advice, because a lot of the time in these sessions we do talk quite generally about tips that are useful for everyone. But if you want some more individualized advice you can ask these questions. Please do submit them before April 14. If you can do it sooner do it sooner because there are a limited number of spots obviously. And once we've reached that limit we won't be able to take any more. So do, as I said, I'm going to put that link in the chat. You better read more about it and you'll also be able to submit your questions. Final thing is, regardless of what division you are in, take a look at some of the scientific sessions that also focus on policy. There are actually quite a few of them. This is just sort of three examples that I picked out that might be of interest to you if you are, you know, in natural hazards, for example, if you're a hydrologist and add them to your personal program, because we do have a function on the program where you can start different sessions and create a personal program that way so that if you can't remember the sessions that you liked, you can just click that button and you can go directly to the list that you selected earlier. So that is all from me. And yeah, I'll pass back over to Simon. Excellent. Thank you, Chloe, for that. So I'm going to quickly move on to our next speaker, who is Jenny Turton, for discussing ETF orientated activities and events at the assembly. Yeah, thank you, Simon. Yeah, my name is Jenny and I'm one of the early career science representatives at EGU. And I'm going to try and give you some ideas of what events are out there for early career scientists specifically. So firstly, what is an early career scientist? If you're a student, a PhD candidate or a practicing scientist who received your highest certificate or degree in the last seven years, you are class as an early career scientist. And where appropriate we can extend this seven year period for things such as parental leave disabilities and the other things listed here. So currently I'm currently the division representative for the cryosphere, but starting in April, I will then become the deputy union level representative, taking over from Anita. And she will then take over from a nook as the incoming union level representative. So for the next two issues, you'll see our faces around EGU. And if you want to get in contact with us, please email us at ECS at egu.eu. The 22 scientific divisions at EGU have at least one representative. And this is the way that you can communicate your requests or ideas for how EGU can better represent you. And if you don't know who your representative is, I recommend that you find out on egu.eu slash ECS slash representatives. Early career scientists make up around 50% of the attendees at the General Assembly, and we've been increasing in numbers over the last few years. And now we can even see which sessions we're involved with and which might be an interest for you with the ECS logo that you can see just here. This logo is also used for highlighting which sessions are convened by early career scientists so that if you wanted to convene a session, that would be something you could do in the future. You could do during the conference that isn't related specifically to your science, and there are a number of different options that I'll run through from short courses, networking, great debates, career development opportunities, and of course just some fun events to attend. There are some interesting short courses, particularly for first timers and early career scientists. So the first one, if you're maybe new to EGU, you've maybe not been to a conference before, is how to navigate EGU tips and tricks. It's on the first Monday at 9am. And there is also the idea that you could get involved with EGU. Perhaps you yourself would like to be a division representative, or to be involved with some of the committees. Then I recommend that you attend the short course on how to get involved in EGU. As I mentioned, there are some career development opportunities that are specifically tailored for early career scientists who are perhaps thinking about what in which direction they want to take their career path. One of the short courses is careers inside and outside of academia, a panel discussion, and that is convened by myself on Wednesday the 21st at 4pm. There are many, many different short courses, not just the ones that me and Chloe have both listed here, but others as well, including ones that are specifically tailored for skill development in data analysis software, or research portfolio, and other things like that. So take a look on the program with the SC tag, and so you can filter out your results. Then there are two great debates which are of potential interest for early career scientists. The first one is a panel discussion on slow versus fast science. And so this is going to cover the theme of things like how often you should publish, or is there this idea that you should be publishing a lot of papers, but with a smaller impact versus papers not so often with a higher impact. And then the second one is a roundtable discussion where you'll be broken up into different zoom breakout rooms and you can have a discussion amongst yourselves about bullying in academia towards creating a healthy and safe working environment. Now at a normal conference there are no like lots and lots of networking events, you know, you are attending perhaps ones that are organized but also you bump into somebody in a session and you decide to go out for food or drinks and then it becomes kind of a networking event. And we wanted to bring this kind of more in person attitude to the online conference this year. And so firstly there are a number of organized networking events both in the division and outside of the divisions. And these are mostly going to use gather town or zoom. And you can have a look at all of them by looking at the net and ET tab on the filter for the program. The only the ones that I'll run through here are some division networking events. So each division will have two networking events. Firstly, an early career science specific event where you can meet other people who are early career scientists and your peers. And then there is a second event which is open for all division members, regardless of your career stage. And if you check the program you can find your division specific event. There are events tailored for early career scientists in every division. So the ECS Union wide networking event, and also the ECS forum, and the ECS forum is a way for you to interact with your division and early career science representatives and hear the changes that have been made in the last few years and you can put forward some ideas for things we can work on in the next few years. There's also EGU wide events such as the first time attendee icebreaker can be a little bit daunting to enter a zoom call with people you don't know. And so if you are aware that other people are also new to EGU conferences, perhaps that might make it a bit easier. So the first time attendee icebreaker is on the Monday morning, Monday lunchtime, and I recommend that you attend that if you've not been to a EGU conference before. Then there are also some public events. This scheduler should come live in the next few days. And this is a way for you to create your own networking event. Anybody who's registered can create their own networking event. And you'll just need to link to something like zoom or whatever account that you use. So keep your eyes peeled in the next few days for some information about that. There are other networking events which are more general or not scientific socializing but more general socializing. One of these is the EGU pride event where you can meet other members of the LGBTQIA plus community and allies. And then there is also the Geoscience games nights and the rhyme your research where you can create some science communication from your results. So in terms of career development and job opportunities at the conference, we now will have a specific job and career area or part of the virtual interface. And so on this area you can go to find out all the information about careers. One of the events is meet the exhibitors and we're just still organizing what day this will will happen so keep looking back at Twitter for more information. So this is where you will be paired with an exhibitor. So for instance, someone from a journal, someone from a data instrument company, and you can ask for some specific career information if you're interested in going down that route. Then there is also the meet the talent elevator pitches. And this is where you can create a two minute short video, basically pitching yourself to a potential job job employer potential employer. So a two minute video with some examples will be available on the YouTube channel in a few days. And there will also be a blog post this week to give you a bit more information about this. On your profile, you can also add a number of buttons or stickers to your profile this year. And one of those is ask for my CV. So if you are looking for a job and you would like to give your CV to somebody. You can do it. And so this is the profile that just an example of my profile to show you what I mean. At the top of the registration page is a my profile button, and then you can add these stickers here. And there is also one for ask for my CV. Finally, there is an art project that happens every year, usually in person conferences, it's in combination with the kids. So it's not babysitting, but where the kids go for their daycare. And we wanted to continue this. So we now have the IGU art kids program. And this year, the theme is extreme earth. And so in the last 12 months, there's been a lot of extreme weather events and phenomenon happening. For instance, right now, part of Iceland. There's volcanic eruption. It was a record break in hurricane season, different things like this. You can send your child or you if you are particularly arty to get creative and send us your creations. In the past, it's mostly been painting, but really you can use whatever material you have at hand. Take a photo of your creation, and you can send that to ECS dash nh at edu.eu because the natural hazards division is running this event, or you can tweet it with the hashtag edu art kids hashtag and then we will retweet it. So under the conference will put them all together into a nice colorful blog post so that you can see your child or your creations for eternity. And that's all from me. So I'll pass you back to Simon. Hello, yes. Thank you, Jenny. I just want to quickly reiterate that if you have a question, simply to click on the Q&A tab below, type in and we'll get around to it after everyone's speaking. So the final speaker, who is Kelly Stanford, he is one of our artists in residence, or I suppose not a resident given that it's virtual, and also one of the conveners for the science and art events. Yeah, so Kelly would like to take it away and discuss your artistry. So I am the main convener for exploring the art science interface EOS 7.4. Basically this session is an amazing hybrid session combined in both science, science communication and art. The idea around this was to try and give like a level playing field to both science papers and to the art that they may contain, because there's a lot of overlapping science communication community of using art as a tool for science communication in various projects and such. So we just wanted to better represent that in a dedicated EOS session. And luckily we had an amazing turnout. So originally we had 30 abstract submitted which have been weaned down to 28. So as you can imagine it's quite a long session spanning from 9am to 1230 on Wednesday the 28th of April. So essentially it takes up two time blocks, but it's quality all the way through like we've got amazing papers like I've just been scrolling for him just to like refresh my mind. We've got people making science quilts. We've got people who've done photography projects on astrophotography. We've been using like music to express various geoscience topics. So we'll be running that on Wednesday the 28th. And throughout will also be highlighting various artworks in sectional blocks so people can submit from outside of session their own side art, and we can highlight and discuss it. In these two minutes sections throughout. Also, we are we are organizing some panels as well to be hosted before each year. So people display their work and display their abstracts at this session can have a formal discussion online discussing how they use art and science together, what their experiences are with it and what their personal opinions are on the matter. We'll also be having various social breakout rooms such as Animal Crossing we've actually created an entire Science Island dedicated to each year. There will be rooms where people can jump in explore places and it'll be like a treasure map as well so people can find various hidden Easter eggs throughout the island as just, you know, something to break the ice and something to do for each of you this year. Also, as mentioned, I'm the artist in residence this year, so I've already started creating some portraits, mainly of those participating in the great debate. I'm currently looking for more people to do portraits of. I'm currently doing an open call for conveners of sessions at age you who want their portrait doing so if you message me at the lab artist on Twitter. I can take your details down look into what research you do and if it's interesting enough, no pressure. I will turn your portrait into a science and art portrait. So basically your portrait will be combined with your scientific research in a visual manner. That's totally free of charge I'm not looking for anything for doing that it's part of the artist residency. We're also doing the EDI scientist coloring book so basically a group of us on the EDI team are putting together a coloring book of each of you participants so we're literally like making line art illustrations of scientists in their workfield, not like in the fields like working. You know, next to volcanoes next to like the lab spaces and search I think it's a really really nice initiative, and we're also accepting requests for that as well so as with the scientists portraits. If you know someone who you'd like to be represented or if you yourself would like to be represented in this EDI coloring book. Please just drop me a message on Twitter, and I can get back to you there. The animal crossing Edu Island sounds really enticing incredible. Sorry, I want to reiterate. If you have a request or any in terms of portrait or a drawing for her book. You can visit her at the lab artist that the lab artist on Twitter. So now we're going to move on to questions. Coming in. I think the first one I have is for clary, which is, or attendees interested in science policy, but who are unsure where to begin or even what to ask. How should they best approach the conference, which I guess could be summarized as where's the best place to start if you're interested in science policy. Sorry, I meet myself. Yeah, so I think the best place to start is probably the short courses. The short courses like I said, will really give an overview of what science policy is to start with they won't have any knowledge assumed. And that will give you some some idea of what science policy is but also what opportunities actually exist for scientists to engage. So once you have that foundation, a lot of the other sessions like the union symposia won't necessarily make more sense, but you will be able to connect the dots a little bit better about okay. What does this mean in terms of science policy what does this mean in terms of scientists engaging more in the policy making process. So you definitely recommend attending a few of the short courses that I mentioned and I did actually put the link to that in the chat as well so you can have a look at the blog with all of the all of the sessions I mentioned just there. But I would also recommend going to some of the networking sessions as well. So I mentioned these will be a little bit more informal. But it will give you the chance to hear other people speak about their own experiences and also talk with other people who just getting started themselves. Yeah, and again if you have any like if you if you would like to participate in that ask an expert activity as well you're more than welcome to even as someone who doesn't have any prior experience or knowledge. That's actually if you have a question it's very general that is an easier question to answer for the person that you'll be matched with. So don't hesitate to apply for that either. Excellent. Thank you. Our next question is for Jenny. And it's just asking for people looking to get involved in kids. Who should they contact. Yeah so the natural hazards division are organized in the event but also in combination with the cryosphere division which is the division that I am part of. So what I would like to do is to either email the natural hazards or the cryosphere account, which is ECS dash CR or NH at ease edu dot EU. So that's the main email account. If you want you can also find me on Twitter and drop me an email there if the email account is, yeah, if I said it wrong or yeah you'd rather just have an informal chat, then you can find me on Twitter that's fine. Thank you Jenny. Another question for you was for the jobs and careers events. How can ECS or any other people looking for jobs and careers help them self stand out for future employers. I think this was kind of relating to that pairing scheme as well just ask more about how that is going to work. Yeah, sure. So I think one of the ways that you can definitely stand out is by trying to attend one or two of the sessions where there are going to be potential job opportunities or future employers. So the meet the talent is where you can upload your own two minute video, which exhibitors can look at but if you also attend the meet the exhibitor event you could maybe meet them one on one in a zoom breakout room so that you can talk to them. If you've got a face to a name it really helps for remembering who someone is in future job opportunities, for instance if you then applied with them a little bit later on. You could also attend any of the short courses that are about the careers events and hopefully we will have some more informal pop up events after those, so that then you can approach somebody in that way as well. Excellent. Thanks Jenny. Thank you for you. And it's asking. How should attendees looking perhaps to start off in science or who interested in even collaboration. Where do you think they should start out. There's a lot of events, they all sound really great but where's the first place to go to if you've not really engaged inside. Well, I recommend attending our session as that's a good start because then you get a general ideas for different mediums and such and different ways to collaborate on these projects because like I mentioned we have such a wide range like just looking through the program which I've linked in the chat. Yeah, that will give you a few ideas, but mainly it's just, it's just talking to scientists and artists and just opening the dialogue between the two and just figuring out, you know, as you go along there's no right or wrong way to start doing science. I would just recommend, you know, network as much as possible just like look into different projects that had happened before, and then think how can I take my scientific subject and possibly, you know, combine it with art. I would highly recommend discussing this with artists because they might have, you know, different insight on how to do this. Excellent, so I guess that means just look through the program and if there's something that draws you go to that and that's the best way to kind of engage inside art if you're not sure where to start, but if you're looking to build your own skills, find the artists and talk to them directly, that's the best way to do it. Yeah, I mean like networking like doesn't hurt, but if you're a scientist wanting to make your own site, I would recommend still going to artists discussing what mediums they use and also just experimenting with different mediums as well because different people have different things that be like, I mean, just because I do digital illustration mainly doesn't mean that everyone else will enjoy, you know, using that area. Can use like sculpture, can use textiles, like there's like so many different options so I would just say, you know, diastrate in and explore. Sure, that sounds, that's good advice. Thanks Kelly. I have a couple more questions there. This one's for you, Chloe, and they're just asking how formal or informal these one-on-one meetings. I mean it's really up to you and the questions that you ask. I would say they're probably going to be pretty informal like the experts that I know, I know quite well. And most of our conversations are relatively informal. And actually I think you'll find if you ever engage with a policymaker directly, that communication after the initial emails can also be quite informal in itself as well. So it would be me doing the coordination of it, for example, setting up the Zoom session and emailing you the times and making sure that both people within that pair can actually meet at that time. But after that, you know, you can email them afterwards, you can really chat about anything. And if you submit a couple of questions and then you think of some others afterwards, that's also fine. The important thing is to submit the questions now, make sure I can actually have the time to pair you up and then if you think of others before your actual meeting with the person, which again it's only 15 minutes, you can also ask those as well. Excellent. So if people go to these events and feel questions after the fact, how should they best relay those questions should be perhaps contact you should be trying to make a lasting connection with the policy advisors what should we do. Yeah, I mean it depends if you feel a connection or if you click with the person that you're meeting with absolutely. If you have any questions and either you decided to not do the meeting with the one on one meeting with someone, or you just rather email me you can absolutely email me any questions that you have. I do get quite a few emails from different people just I mean some of them I can't answer myself and I can just give some direction. And someone more able to answer more concretely, you can email me my email is policy at egu.eu I'll also just put that in the chat as well. Or alternatively if you want to just keep up with what's happening in Europe in terms of science policy, you can also sign up for the monthly newsletter that I send out, and you can do that by joining the database of expertise. And I'll also link that in the chat. I'll also send you the link Simon so you can add them to the YouTube description. Thank you very much. And Jenny I think the final question relates. It's similar but relates to ECS is one once engaged engages with ECS content at the conference and is looking to continue to do so afterwards, how best to go about it. Yeah, I think the first step would be contacting your division representative. So, yeah, say you're in the atmosphere science division you can speak directly to your division representative using the same email as the ones I put in the chat there so depending on which division you're in. So that's always useful because they can also link you with somebody else if you are interested in being involved in the equality diversion and inclusion committee for instance they will be able to point you into the right direction. Most of the division representatives are also checking their Twitter account so you can also feel free to drop the respective EGU division and a tweet and I think that should be fine. Thank you. That's all the questions I have for today. I think that's a good time to wrap up the session. So I want to thank you all the attendees for coming and watching this webinar. Thank you all speakers for doing all that information. I should note there's also a lot more of a content out there than just mentioned there today. For example, there's your magic science photography competition. So make sure when you're attending you also put your votes for a photo. But otherwise, I will see you in 11 days. Thank you very much for attending.