 Because I thought that would be bridging. Maybe I misunderstood what bridging was. I thought bridging was making base router and pass through that we just, you know. Just don't have Eero do the nap, I think is what Eero is saying. Oh, I got you were saying have Eero do the nap and not the base router. You could let the router do the nap. Yeah, you'd have to know what I was saying is in the Eero you want to set it to. And Eero's setup software will take all of this out of your hands. It'll say like, oh, we see you have a router. Great, we're going to set this all up. I mean, you have control of changing it if you want, but it'll just, it has a wizard. All right, some research is needed. If you want the first half of this entree, l'entrée of a conversation, you have to get it from the Patreon version of the show. Now we move on to le plat principal. You amazed me every Tuesday. That's because today's lesson was le désert. I'll need the le control. Le control pour le Roger. Roger. Roger. Roger. Yes, I have a thesaurus. J'aimerais. J'aimerais start the show. Je suis né près. Pour quoi? Pour quoi? Je suis né près. I was born ready as well. Oh, nay, I thought you were saying no. Sorry, yes. I thought you were saying I'm not ready. Yes, no. You were born ready, of course. Cause nay, not no. Obviously, clearly. I need to get that E as an A from Spanish out of my head. All right. It'll happen though. Let's get to play. Where am I? Okay. Here we... I was about to ask you again in English, but I'm like, why? We already know. Really? Here we go. The Daily Tech News Show is powered by you. To find out more, head to dailytechnewshow.com slash support. This is The Daily Tech News for Tuesday, August 15th, 2017. I'm Tom Merritt along with Patrick Beja. How are you, sir? I am excellent as usual, always excellent. Ah, that's so good. So nice. That's what the clean country living does for you. Absolutely. I am actually in the countryside right now as illustrated by the bookshelf behind me. That's the countryside decor. Yeah, because Patrick retreats into the country to read and think and yeah. Yes, exactly. Let's go with that. Yeah, exactly. Well, Roger Chang, our producer is alongside as well. Thank you, Roger. Good to have you along. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Not just Roger, but everybody. Qualcomm is adding depth sensing and biometric authentication, so things like facial recognition, to its Qualcomm Spectra module program for manufacturers of Android phones. The Spectra system lets manufacturers swap out camera functions during manufacturing, giving them some good options to add in functions to their builds, mostly taking advantage of dual camera sensors. Excellent. Researchers have published a study showing that using a smiley face in a normal workplace email decreases the perception of competence and undermined information sharing. And reading this, I do a little bit of a face palm and realize that I've been undermining myself. Winky face. Imagine what the poop emoji does to your formal workplace communication. I was just saying. Hey, Blizzard's not getting rid of BattleNet. After all, the company announced it has decided to just add the name Blizzard to the BattleNet logo. And when referring to BattleNet in print, they'll always call it Blizzard BattleNet. So compromise solution. Yeah, so they announced they were going to get rid of BattleNet, calling it the Blizzard service, but BattleNet was still going to be the technology that would power it all under the, what's the expression? Under the radar behind the curtain. Thank you, Roger. Thank you, producer Roger. And now they're calling it Blizzard BattleNet. It's a mouthful. I think everyone's going to be calling it BattleNet. Yeah, although they're going to leave the launcher, which used to be called the BattleNet launcher, is going to stay the Blizzard launcher. It's just the networking that they're going to keep calling BattleNet. Here's some more top stories. ThreatPost reports a wireless update to LockState's 6,000 i model of smart locks bricked the devices, leaving them unable to be locked without a key. And some people didn't have keys. They were relying only on the app. Customers were instructed to return the locks for repair or replacement. The update was meant for the 7,000 i models, not the 6,000 i models, but they sent it to the wrong model. And it caused the locks to fail to reconnect to the web service once they couldn't reconnect. I mean, I don't know that this is what happened, but imagine a firmware update that changes the URL of the web service. And then suddenly, once the firmware is in place, it's like, I'm looking, but I can't find any web service. Approximately 200 Airbnb customers were affected by this due to a partnership between Airbnb and LockState. That's the nightmare scenario, is it? Because you're like, well, you just returned it. Wait, it's your lock. You have to like, I'm guessing they're very well attached to the door is that they're locking. It can't be a fun experience for the people that use it. And that would be the situation where you wouldn't have a key, right? The owner of the place that they're renting it on Airbnb might have a key, but they're like, oh, you just, we'll just authorize you in this app. Just download this app and you're fine, right? Until you're not fine. Living in the future and everyone who says the future sucks is validated now. I hesitate to get too upset at LockState for this because they're doing the right thing that a lot of these Internet of Things companies don't do, which is trying to update the firmware on a regular basis. That's exactly why it's so bad. Because they are doing the right thing. They just made a mistake and mistakes happen. And in the grand scheme of things, this is a minor inconvenience overall. But it's still an inconvenience that's got to be visible to the people who experience it. That's why I'm saying it's the minor. And don't forget, my example of how this might happen isn't what happened because I see people in the chat room who are like, well, here's what you would do to fix that. I'm sure there's a reason why you can't fix it over the air anymore and you have to bring it in. They can't just go in and put on that URL that the thing is actually accessing. It's probably not what happened. US District Judge Edward Chen granted a preliminary injunction Monday telling LinkedIn it could not block a startup called IQ Labs from accessing public LinkedIn information. IQ scrapes public data to feed algorithms that try to predict the employee behavior like quitting a job. LinkedIn will continue to fight the case. Which side would you like to take on this one? Cause I'll take whichever one you don't. I see, I can see it this both ways. Listen, this is public information. It's not locked behind a login or a paywall or anything. They're using public information and they are using it for whatever they are using it for. It's still public. Yes, it's, I don't know that LinkedIn even owns that information. They're not doing anything that someone couldn't do with a piece of paper and a pen and looking at those pages. Yeah, Netflix videos are public, right? YouTube videos are public. So I should be able to just scrape all of them and redistribute to them myself, right? Well, Netflix are behind a paywall. YouTube, I think that might be- That's why I switched to YouTube. Cause I realized Netflix is not the best example. Well, I mean, there's a difference between scraping it and repackaging it and using it for profit somewhere else. It's a copyright in those cases making the copy is what causes the problem, not just the redistribution. Okay, fair enough, fair enough, but they're not using, I mean, they're using it for research and transforming the data into something else. Sure, maybe there is a fair use that you're describing here, but LinkedIn is not saying this is public domain information. They're actually not even asserting a copyright. What LinkedIn's doing is saying, hey, this is on our website and there are terms of use for using our website and you're violating the terms of use of using our website. They don't have an account though. They're just, you know- Using the website doesn't require an account. I guess so. Do you have to abide by the terms of use to read what's printed on that page? Printed, quote unquote? Yes, you do. All right, fair enough. Listen, listen, I told you I could take either side of this and you made me take the side I agree with less. I am more, this is harder for me to keep doing it because I am with you that if it's public information, you have to expect that people are going to use that information. I'm not even necessarily on that side. I would however give the example of remixing, remixing music, you sampling things and remixing it, which is largely authorized if it doesn't go beyond a certain threshold. Another objection that LinkedIn might raise is, you know, this was an undue burden. This is an unanticipated use of its server load and if they're letting everyone go scrape them, then they're going to spend all their bandwidth and server load on scrapers rather than people who actually want to use LinkedIn. Well- I think that's probably going to be exaggerating the case but that is the other argument here. Yeah, it does hold water. It does hold water. I think another very big argument that they're not going to be talking about is if Haikyuu can start predicting, do that kind of analysis and start predicting when employees using the service are going to quit their job or look for another job or these kinds of things can be very embarrassing for the employees, for the employers. And I think that's the most frightening thing. I actually, I'll take it a step further. I think LinkedIn's got their own version of this that they want to sell to LinkedIn clients. And if some other company is doing it with information they can get in public for free, LinkedIn would like to stop them from doing that. However, Judge Edward Chen says, no, you can't block them from doing this. It's, if you're putting it out on the web, you have to expect people to use it and you can't put conditions on how they use it unless you're asserting a copyright, which LinkedIn is not doing, even though I used that as an example earlier. And I will say, before we move on, it's actually probably the most interesting thing about this. If this holds, it has implications for many other services other than LinkedIn, which could be, which could make a lot of web giants not happy at all. No, this is precedent setting either way. It could change what companies are willing to allow it to be made public, even for you, which would be an interesting turn of events. If it were to go the other way, and in favor of LinkedIn, it could cause problems for search engines. It could allow newspaper organizations, for instance, to say, aha, just because we publish a story doesn't mean you get to index it, Google. So, you know, there's all kinds of precedents that are gonna fall out of this no matter how it ends up. Well, folks, there are two kinds of adaptive bit rate for streaming video in this world. Okay, there's more than that, but for the purposes of this argument, there's two kinds of adaptive bit rate for streaming video in this world. The kind that measures your network speed from your device and picks a resolution for you, and the kind that tries to keep a sufficient buffer ahead of playback. Now, both of these have issues that you're probably very familiar with. The rate-based model doesn't deal with network speed fluctuations. That's when everything gets all pixely and you can't see it anymore. The buffer-based one doesn't handle skipping around in the video very well, and occasionally, buffers, right? And you get this mini wheel. An algorithm developed at MIT called PenCiv uses machine learning on a neural network to switch between the two models and add details from the server delivery side, giving you the best of both worlds. The system can even be adjusted to prefer buffering or resolution, depending on your preference. In tests, PenCiv delivered 10 to 25% quality of experience improvement with 10 to 30% less buffering. Big thanks to Andy Beach, who helped me understand this one. His point to me was server side hasn't done anything. Usually server side of video streaming is dumb. It just sends the bits. It's all happened on the client side before. And what's interesting is this, this is putting some things on the server side. Feels like kind of a predictive kind of, well, the thing is it's machine learning which they put a lots of examples, I, you know, simplifying it a lot. They put a lot of examples in it and out spits the machine. You should do it like this, but we don't really understand necessarily, don't always understand how or why. And I mean, here it doesn't necessarily matter all that much, but they just, the machine figures out, now you're gonna be using that kind of, that kind of adaptive betrayed thing. And now you're gonna be using the other one. Why? Doesn't matter, just do it. It improves the video stream. And it's basically, I mean, if you wanna oversimplify it, you break it down into, if something's gonna cause buffering, you switch to the rate-based one. If the rate-based one's gonna get all pixelated, switch back to the buffering, and knowing the conditions well enough to do it in advance so that the video stays nice and smooth. Yeah, I'm sure Netflix is gonna be all over that and YouTube as well, probably. Yeah, or Akamai, those kinds of CDNs, definitely, yeah. Web hosting company Dreamhost has filed an opposition to a warrant requesting IP addresses for, of everyone who ever accessed a site that organized a protest at the US presidential inauguration last January. The warrant also seeks content of all questions and comment forms filled out by any visitor to the site. The US Department of Justice has filed a motion to compel Dreamhost to respond. Dreamhost says it has been cooperating on subpoenas for individual records in support of the Department of Justice court case, but claims this most recent warrant was overbroad. Yeah, so two interesting things about this. One is it's not a case of not getting a warrant and saying, hey, you don't have a warrant, I'm not handing things over. In fact, they were cooperating with subpoenas. It's saying, yeah, you've got a warrant, but we don't believe this warrant is valid because you're asking for everything we have and you don't need everything we have. That's called, that's the classic definition of a fishing expedition. Yeah, it's very clearly, I mean, it sounds like it's clearly an overreach, overbroad, however you wanna call it, which should render this kind of thing invalid if it actually is. Looking at it from without knowing all of the details of all of it, it really does seem like it's overreaching. I mean, asking not just for the information of everyone who has ever visited the site, on top of that, which already that would seem to be overbroad, but on top of that, getting all the questions and comment forms from anyone who ever did any, there needs to be, I mean, this is more of a judicial question, but there needs to be a reason for why you're asking for these kinds of pieces of information. The reason is we're going after a criminal and we know they were on the site, we can show evidence of that, but we don't know what their username was on the site, but we can identify them by their behavior and the things they wrote on the comment forms, but to find that and discover the username, we need to see all the comment forms to search through them. Right, I think this kind of explanation can sound reasonable, but you can use that to justify any request for any information anywhere. Well, and this is why we have a judicial system. The judge heard that and said, that sounds reasonable, I'll grant the warrant. That's the way it's supposed to work because if a warrant does get a little overbroad because of a misunderstanding, the person it's served upon has the right to challenge it and that's what Dreamhost is doing. Nobody is acting illegally here. What's happening is the Department of Justice is going after a case and saying, we would like this information convinced a judge to issue a warrant and Dreamhost gets to say, oh, I think you missed something in that warrant. You don't need all 1.3 million IP addresses of everybody who's ever visited the site. I think we could narrow this down by time, by type of user, by maybe some geolocation of the IP addresses, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, unless you really are going on a phishing expedition, in which case that's not okay. Makes sense. Yeah. Finally, TechCrunch reports that India's EM3 agri-services is letting farmers rent out idle equipment, things like harvesters, tractors, even parts and machinery that you add on to harvesters and tractors. This can help small farmers afford to use equipment they couldn't afford otherwise, or make a farmer not have to take a risky loan that could bankrupt them to just get the equipment they need to make farms. Farms are very small in India. They have a larger number of farmers on small holdings in India, well above the United States. Company does have an app, but because it's dealing with such small farmers, it also operates using the phone, because a lot of these farmers don't have smartphones. So it's Uber for farmers who don't have smartphones, because it's using technology. It's using technology on their end to matchmake, but not everybody in the system has to have an app or a phone. Yeah, it's really fascinating. It's one of the more, for us, I guess, the more surprising applications of the concept of Uber or Airbnb. Just not only for farm equipment, but also via phone. That's a surprising one. Yeah, by telephone, not smart phone. EM3 says it has worked with 8,000 farms so far and has partnered with the government of the state of Rajasthan, which is one of the big agricultural states, maybe the biggest agricultural state in India. So I love this story because I love stories where we take a system that we think of only for one thing, like ride hailing and apply it to something else in a way that's really going to help. This is going to make things possible for farmers in India that were not possible. Hopefully. Yeah. Folks, if you wanna get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com. You can also get the Daily Tech Headlines as an Amazon Echo Flash Briefing, and you can get it on the Google Home through the Anchor service, which you can also get it on the Anchor app at anchored.fm. And that's a look at our top stories. Now, abide with us for a moment, if you will, and think back to an earlier time before the web, before the dark times. When you here in the United States had to have a compuserve account or an AOL account, maybe, or something like that. G-A, prodigy. Yeah, prodigy. And you wanted to chat with somebody, you wanted to shop, you wanted to check stock prices, that's what you had to do, unless you were in France. France in the 80s was a wonderland of information sharing because of something called Minitel. Patrick, you lived, you grew up with Minitel. Yeah, basically. It's funny, I was convinced that most people knew about the Minitel because it was such a big deal in the tech world and so innovative. And I was doing a show with Alison Sheridan last week and I think she hadn't heard about the Minitel at all. So I figured maybe your audience would be interested in hearing about it. Basically, what it was was a full telecommunications package that you could get from essentially the government. And I think that's a really interesting aspect of it as well. It was completely a government initiative via the post and telecommunications monopolistic company. So you would get this all-in-one box, which included the screen, the foldable keyboard, which would fold up to the screen, and the modem included in the box, of course. You would plug it into your power outlet and telephone outlet, I don't know how you call those T-shaped things. Anyway, so the old ones that we had in France, I think they were different for you guys, but anyway. And you would connect it like this, turn it on, and then dial up a service on a price structure. So you would connect to, there were a number of different numbers, it would be 3611 for the free one, 3612, 3613, and up to 3617, which could go up to like, I think up to a couple of dollars a minute. It was really expensive, the higher tiers. But the really interesting thing was that it was a type of service that anyone could develop in, they would need to get not a license, but work with the telecom company to get it on the network. But it's not like AOL or Prodigy or anything like that, because it wasn't all centralized. You would dial into the price number, I guess, and then you would type the name of the service you wanted to access, and you would go to their servers. I don't know exactly how it worked on the back end, but anyone could develop a service for this thing. So it was very internet-like. Yeah, exactly. Without being part of the internet. It was absolutely not part of the internet. It was completely closed, well, I mean, closed within its own system. But I'm not sure how well it could have worked on the internet. It was so far before the large public had access to the internet. It started, I would say, 85, 86, it was widespread. A lot of people had it. It was launched as a test in Brittany in 1978 and then went France-wide in 1982. But you're right. It wasn't like in 1982 suddenly everybody had it. But the machines were free. I think that was one of the keys to this taking off because they tried it in Ireland later. And in Ireland it didn't catch on because you had to buy the thing. Yeah, they were free. I mean, you would pay for it 10 times over through the different services you could use, obviously. But it was also very cleverly designed. I think the design part of it, I touched on it just now, but it was really a null in one box. And it was the size of a small box. So it wouldn't take up, you wouldn't even really need a desk. You would put it by the telephone. And most people were thinking about it as something you would use for a couple of minutes to get the information you needed. Obviously, as time went on, the users developed in different ways. But it was one small box, the foldable keyboard. I don't know if I'm explaining it right, but basically it was a solid keyboard, like the keys were solid plastic, very chunky, and you would fold it up, up to the screen so that it would basically close the box. And so that made it super easy to disseminate. You would just go get it as you would go get the telephone. It was just as easy to use, almost as easy to use. Well, and the idea originated with a 1978 report to President Valerie Giscard d'Estelle, you just say it. Almost, Valerie Giscard d'Estelle. Titled the Computerization of Society Government Researchers Simon Nora and Elaine Manck argued that the solution to Francis Telecom was lay in telematics. And so they decided to replace the phone book. You wouldn't get the white pages anymore. You'd get this thing instead, which saved on printing costs. And then you would look up the numbers in this pretty good search engine, as I understand it. But it took off from there. You could do train tickets. You could do stock prices. You could do mail. You could do chat. You could do shopping. This sounds like the internet to me, but it's not the internet. It's its own internet. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I think one of the, you mentioned it. One of the interesting thing is that it was really top down as some of the political differences we often talk about between France, Europe, and the US and other countries. This was really a government-led operation, which was very successful. I'm not saying this to make it sound like, oh, it was the government. I'm quite the opposite. It was very successful in its time. And yeah, you could do the phone book thing was the very obvious first use, and that was free. Then you had different messaging systems. Then you had some kind of different kinds of shopping. But the one that really took off was chatting. And chatting became incredibly popular, incredibly expensive, kids like me, because remember, you would have the different price structures, but most of them, well, all of them, you would pay per minute. So it was more or less expensive, even if it's 10 cents per minute, when you're spending two, three, four, five hours, and it wasn't just 10 cents, by the way, it was a lot more usually. If you had access to the cheaper access to the thing with a password and everything, you would pay less, but usually you would pay more. And if you do that five hours a day, as some kids might have been known to do, the phone bill racks up. And the chat was awesome, and I think that was the most internet-like experience of all of it, because it was gathering communities with similar interests from all over the country that you wouldn't necessarily have been able to interact with physically, because you were too far away, and or maybe you didn't have people who enjoyed the same kind of things as you did in your vicinity, and you would gather in those chat rooms and talk about stuff. There were other kinds of chat rooms, too, weren't there? Well, obviously, when you're talking about a new kind of communications medium, you're gonna have porn that is gonna be quite popular. It's not a kind of internet if you don't have that. You don't have porn. I mean, I think most people will still remember the 365 ULA service, which was 3615 ULA, for some reason, the name ULA was evocative of some kind of eroticized something, and everyone knew it. And I don't think I went on that one. I honestly don't remember that I used porn so much. I was so geeky that I would go to, you know, anime websites, not websites, but chat rooms and stuff like that, but yeah, it was super successful, and it made a lot of money. And the Minitel continued, there wasn't so much piracy, of course, because, you know, it was so slow. It could really copy files, yeah. Exactly, it was like, it would take, I would say maybe three seconds to display one page, and the screen was tiny, and it was just, you know, text. Well, one rating I read was a downlink of 1200 bits per second. Not kilobits, not megabits, bits per second, yeah. Remember, this was the early 80s when it started, so obviously it's not gonna be very fast. But it kept going, and it was so successful and so monetarily successful for some of those services. There were a number of models that came out afterwards, one that had color, which was amazing, and it kept going until, I think it shut down in like 2012. June 30th, 2012, yeah, you're not crazy. It's insane, and obviously it wasn't very used by then. You always have some people who don't wanna get on with the new thing, but I think it was used until the, like regularly by a significant amount of people, probably until the late 90s, early 2000s. Yeah, I think I read that in 2009, they first discussed shutting it down and they put it off because they got enough people who were still using it, and then I think it dwindled enough by 2012, less than a million at that point. So they decided to get rid of it. Yeah, I think by then it's the kind of uses that until, if you never take it away, they're never gonna go away, right? Well, and a lot of the uses were through the web. There was a web interface in the later days, right? Yeah, yeah, it was, I mean they, I really wanna emphasize how cool and ahead of its time this thing was, because a lot of people compare it to AOL and this and that. I think AOL, it was a little bit later, wasn't it? Yeah, much later than 1978, for sure, yeah. CompuServe is roughly equivalent to it, I think. Exactly, I think BBS is CompuServe, that kind of thing, but those I'm pretty sure were very geeky, you had to know your stuff to go on CompuServe and to go to BBSs. That was used by a large portion of the population. So I think that was... I think this is really interesting because that 1978 report was in response to France lagging behind in technology. And the government stepped in and said, great, we're gonna leapfrog forward. And we're going to give our populace these machines to make sure it's uptake. And that was the benefit. The benefit of having the government involved was you jumpstarted this thing and leaped in front of everyone else. The problem was, it didn't adapt very well because it was government backed and run. And there was some weird stuff about like, I didn't quite understand, but you had to technically be a newspaper to start a service. And then you could start services to other people and people started starting newspapers just so they could start Minitel services. And they were confusing regulations, put it that way. And that may be one of the reasons that it eventually dwindled rather than, turning into the web or turning into an internet. I think it served its purpose. Yes, there were regulations as there always are in France and I'm sure in many countries, but I think it really served its purpose. It was what the time needed to be at that point. And it opened a lot of people's eyes and understandings to what computer, online computer services could be. And I think the internet gained ground really quickly in France, I mean, it gained ground quickly everywhere, but there were a lot of people interested in the internet partly because of this. I remember, I first, I mean, it was because of university, but I often tell you that I first started getting into the internet in 93, 92, 93. And I couldn't wait until I would get it at home and it developed pretty quickly in the early 90s, which might have been the case in the US because that's where it originated, but I'm not sure it was as quick to develop in other European countries, for example. And I think there's something instructive when looking at Indian, particularly African countries who are dealing with that leapfrog situation of their own, not having the widespread landline, both internet and telephony, and jumping to smartphones. There may be, the next Minotel may be happening right now in those countries. Listen, I'm sure we have a lot of Minotels left somewhere in a warehouse. Let's just send them to Africa and those countries that need the technology and they'll be happy. Got your Raspberry Pi's in a Minotel. Here, go. We're gonna give you a bunch of terminals that are about as powerful as one app on your smartphone. Not even, not even at all. But there's a lot of nostalgia, not nostalgia, but fun imagery of the Minotel and there's even a project that I found out about looking for details for this episode and it's a school that managed to retrofit the Minotel to serve the web, to actually serve the actual web. Now, of course, they're cheating. They're using a Raspberry Pi to do the actual computing, but they're using the screen and the... Screen and the keyboard? Like the old school screen and the keyboard. It wasn't a quarter of a keyboard either, was it? Oh, well, it was, no, it was a weird keyboard. I mean, it was Azure T, which is what we use in France, but it was weird. It had all kind of special keys and it was, yeah, no, it was a weird stuff. There were kind of, again, to make it simple and usable, there were kind of function keys, like five of them that did one thing and then you had to try and do special functions for the inevitable hidden functions that people would develop on the chat rooms and these kinds of things. It was like you had secret strings and it was a fun time. Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. It's where we get a lot of our ideas about what to talk about, submit stories and vote on them. You might be the next Minitel story submission at DailyTechNewsShow.Reddit.com and of course on our Facebook group, Facebook.com slash groups slash Daily Tech News Show. Real quick before we're out of here, I wanna read this email from Scott in the high desert who said, I've been wondering about using electric vehicles to load balance for a while. I've also been interested in using them in lieu of generators during power outages. I moved to an old farmhouse last fall, which the previous owner had wired for a backup generator. Out in the country, electricity seems much more important. My well pump doesn't work without it. This past winter was the first I've ever been extremely concerned about power outages affecting our heat and water availability. Having an electric vehicle that I could use as a backup power for my home in a pinch would be another selling point. I also began thinking a PTO generator for our small tractor would be useful, but a small electric tractor that could be used to balance electricity would be even better. In my case, it's parked 98% of the time, weight is actually helpful, and when using a loader, and it could double as a drivable generator if I need to operate an electric saw or other tools while outworking away from a wired power source. I also think about the maintenance of tractor requires checking fluids, worrying about pressure and heat, et cetera. Below are a couple of links to John Deere's electric tractor and a review of an electric riding mower. Maintenance is so much less on these devices. Oil the wheel bearings, but I think the blades are run by motors, no belt, no topping off or changing my lawnmower oil or filling gas. I look forward to the electric revolution. We'll have those links in the show notes at dailytechnewshow.com. But yeah, kind of hits home, that idea of using an electric car as a backup generator, right, Patrick? Listen, we just mentioned the fact a few minutes ago that I was in the country house right now, and I'm starting to worry about these kinds of things as well. You don't worry about them when you're living in the city, but when you have one power line and it can go out and it actually does sometimes, and you have to work from this country house, you're worried about these things. It would make it, I mean, electric vehicles are still very expensive, so I think it wouldn't push people to those purchases just for that because it's still way too expensive. But if either you have more of a financial incentive to do it because of your work or they're cheaper, yes, I want that kind of thing to be possible. Listen, if you need to tell your wife that we decided on DTNS that it would be best for you to buy a Tesla, then you can cite this email as your reason for that. You know, the Model 3 is looking pretty sexy right now. It's necessary, it could save your lives. Listen, if I can invoice two thirds of it to DTNS, let's say a three fourth, maybe that's doable. I think we might need a milestone for that. Okay, all right, well, let's think about it. All right, thank you, Patrick Beja, as always. Of course, you can find all the great stuff Patrick does at frenchspin.com or frenchspin.fr depending on which language you want to listen to it in. What you got going on there these days? I'll talk about the latest special we did on the Phileas Club. We had Mayank on and he's from India and he talks about India for about an hour and a little bit and telling us how it was for him growing up in India in the 80s and how India changed over the 80s, 90s and even more recently. That was a super interesting one. So if you like that kind of discussion then head over to frenchspin.com and listen to the latest episode of the Phileas Club. I highly recommend it. Also want to thank everybody who supports this show directly. If you are a patron at any level, there is a specific RSS feed that includes the full pre and post show as an audio file, not just the main show. For instance, on the pre show today, Patrick was asking us about mesh networks. So Roger and I were discussing mesh networks with Patrick for a good little while. And if you're interested in that, go check that out. 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Battle.net is dead long with Battle.net. Sorry, my neighbor's mowing their lawn. Brick to unlock. EIEI Uber. Something in French. Just sweeten the print. Future sucks. Ms. My House is Brick. Lock book. Patrick Minitel's all. Ha, ha, ha. Ah, nice. Minitel me about it. DTNS buys Patrick a Tesla, Tom's LinkedIn theory. Wait a minute. Minitel me about it. I think Darker Deeper has it. Dude, that one definitely got you, I could tell. That doesn't happen often. Minitel me about it. The temporary title, I usually just put with whoever's on. This time I put Patrick Minitel's us a story. Ah, well, great minds. Which my neighbor's had electric leaf blowers and lawnmowers. I don't know, there's a thing about, for me, it sounds very like I could hear a New Jersey accent or something about tell me about it with Minitel. Minitel me about it. Yeah. I don't know, any others in there, Roger, that cut your eye? I kind of think we've decided, but. I think, for me, that was a pretty good one, especially since it ties in with the main discussion. Penceve is pensive. Oh, there's one from Ken who says, I shall call it Minitel. I shall call it. Ha, ha, ha. That's good, too. Wow, that's really. You're really into the Minitel puns today. It's evocative of Austin Powers. So, and that's always. Okay, all right. I can see, I can see what's his face. Mike Myers. No, but like the evil doctor. Oh, right, the character, yeah. I shall call him Minitel. It's the evil phone company. Yeah. Looking at it saying, yeah. What was Tellex? The Minitel was different than Tellex, right? Yes, yeah. Tellex, oh, you didn't have Tellex? No, we didn't. I mean, I think we had a version of it, but. So, basically, Tellex, Tellex was, it was popular around Europe, I'm pretty sure. It was a typewriter connected to another. It was, like, axes except for typewriters. So, you would connect to one another. And what you would type would be transmitted to the other one. Right. So, you couldn't, like, copy an image, but whatever you typed showed up on the other. Whatever. It was basically a chat, one-to-one chat. It was SMS, but with typewriters. Well, because the first time I ran into Tellex was 1996 when I visited London for the first time. And the hotel we stayed at had a Tellex thing on its business card. And I'm like, what the hell is that? No, I think by that time, though, in the U.S., I remember my mom seeing one of my moms at the Wells Fargo Bank, but that's, like, back when banks had to deal with international things. It was definitely a specialty thing in the U.S. It was not something you had at hotels. Well, the facts came so quickly. And it did such a good job at having people not having to type, right? You just hand-writed it out. I mean, honestly, the Tellex was kind of dumb. It was kind of stupid. It feels like a Harry Potter thing now. Like, you type on one end, and then the typewriter on the other end types this thing. I think there might have been a remix forever, though. It was kind of an outgrowth of the telegraph, right? If you could just send Morse code, why couldn't you send a keystroke? Right, right, right. Because there was... I think there might have been ways of storing, like, sending an entire string, or like a page even, somehow recording it. I don't remember. We had one at home for dad's work. Oh, no kidding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We did it in here. But I don't remember it. Because if it's just typing real time, then you can just pick up the phone. I mean, come on. So, is it... Mini, tell me about it? Is that what we're sticking with? Yes. Okay. I'm finalizing that now, so... Mini, tell me about it. Mini, tell me a story, Patrick. So, it's the story of a little ant that goes up against an elephant. That's a big version of an ant, right? An elephant ant? No. It's like an elephant. Why are you trying to ruin the story, Tom? Shut up and let me tell the story. No, now I won't. There you go. No, I'm sorry. Tell me the story. This does mean... Yes, Zoe Brings Bacon asks, does this mean DTNS won't buy Patrick a Tesla? That is correct. What? I'm sorry, but we will not be buying Patrick a Tesla. Yet, yet. Right. Never say never. Thank you for that. I mean, if the Patreon goes to a million dollars a month, we'll see. Or, or, listen, if it goes to 100,000 a month, I think you can afford one Tesla, Patrick. For the payments. Well, but then if you want it, then Justin's gonna want one, then Scott's gonna want one, then Veronica's gonna want another one. We won't tell them. They don't listen to the Patreon feed anyway. They won't know. But they're gonna find out, because they're gonna see all your Instagrams of you and your hot dude Tesla. Oh, I'll just pretend I bought it to my... Social media blackout. TextJab says, up until the early 90s, police departments communicated through teletype, which is a teletype, a telex kind of... Oh yeah, I was gonna say, it sounds like telex. Yeah. TextJab also accidentally rickrolled me on the Amazon Echo yesterday. What? Which was hilarious. He meant to send it to somebody else. And we are connected. And so I, all of a sudden I get a message on my Echo and I'm like, oh, play the message. And the Amazon Echo voice starts to say, you're no stranger to love. Nice. It made me laugh. It's the best rickroll I've had in a long time. Isn't it funny that rickroll's still kind of a thing that's kind of just worked its way into our extended culture? Yeah, it feels like it can never really go away. Like some people will not really understand it at some point, but you can go and... Like cool. It will become cool at some point. Like the word cool was like jargon that was made up in the 60s, I wanna say, maybe 50s. Is it that recent? Yeah. And then it didn't go away. Lots of other things like groovy did go away. Tubular. Yeah, and tubular. I feel like rickroll has cemented itself. It's because it describes a certain type of joke, like or prank, almost a practical internet like age practical joke. So you can use it for a lot of things. And it's harmless, right? There's nothing bad about that Rick Astley song. I mean, you could say it's not a great song. It's a bad song, but there's nothing harmful I should say about the song. It's just funny. Yeah, it's kind of harmful to... To your ears. You're no stranger to love. You know the rules. Yeah, I know, I know. That's so hot fish. Dr. Redeemer says we should replace cool with hot fish. Because Dr. Redeemer watched Rick and Morty on Adult Swim, is my guess, because that's where I saw that. I don't watch Rick and Morty, much to the chagrin of many internet people. Ah, you don't have time. I watched one, and I think older Puking put me off. Does he puke all the time like in the show? No, not all the time. Most of the time, but not all the time. Probably above average in the number of times. Above average Puking. Is that a sensitive point for you? No, but it felt like gross, like not in a good way. It felt like, I don't know, not just the Puking, like the whole thing felt like... Juvenile. Just a lot of gross humor. I don't necessarily have a problem with juvenile, I don't think, for some reason didn't... As long as it's mature juvenile. I prefer a very adult, mature, refined Juvenile. Like, Le Stoogé Tois. The what? The Three Stooges? Three Stooges. Oh. You know, that French... So that I don't know at all. I never liked the Three Stooges growing up. I developed a better appreciation for them later, but it's not my type of humor. Not a slapstick fan. No, I did like Abbott and Costello, though. Oh yeah, I liked them, too. But I wasn't a fan of Laurel and Hardy. I liked them all right. I preferred Abbott and Costello, though. I think it's because Abbott and Costello did more word play, and Laurel and Hardy was a little more slapstick. Do you like slapstick, Patrick? Not really. I think that's part of the issue here. But is Rick and Morty slapstick, really? It's got elements of slapstick to it. But it's not. I wouldn't call it slapstick, but... I'd call it funny. I assume you love Jerry Lewis. Obviously. Am I French? Is the answer to that question yes? So clearly. I mean, if you were German, I would assume you love David Hasselhoff in the same way. Well, interesting. That's generation, though. What's that? Being German and liking David Hasselhoff is very generational. But I think Patrick just admitted to being German. No, I admitted to liking David Hasselhoff. That makes you German. You like him because he was a night writer. Yeah, a night writer. But no, I think Germans loving David Hasselhoff doesn't mean you're German if you love David Hasselhoff. If you like Jerry Lewis, you're French. It's the law. No. Wait. That is, as I understand it, the law of citizenship. Really? You don't think any Americans love Jerry Lewis? If they do, they're French. They're dual citizens. All right. Well, now you're making sense. Did you hear about the guy who is New Zealand? He's a New Zealander because the New Zealand laws say that if one of your parents is a native New Zealander, that makes you a New Zealander. And the Australian laws say you can't be a member of the Senate if you are a citizen of a country outside of Australia. And so through no fault of his own, now he's caught up into this controversy. He's not a very likable guy. I just want to say. It's hard to beat you. But he didn't choose to have his dad be New Zealander. Well, I mean, the thing to understand with that is it's been going on for like a month. No, no, I know. But it is kind of a hilarious situation where it's like, really? Like if your dad's from another country or your mom in Australia, he can't be in the Senate. It's the way that. No, you can't be a dual citizen. And it's. I'm sure he could renounce his citizenship. He would. He didn't because he didn't realize he didn't know. Yeah. Right. But at some point he could like now renounce it and then. But he was already. So much. So many things have gone in since then. The two greens, the two green senators. Yeah. They had to go because one of them was Canadian. And Canadian citizenship and citizenship and the other one had. She have like a validly got Canadian citizenship. Not. It wasn't this accidental thing. Right. No, she was just born there. Her parents. She she was. Oh, okay. But her parents are Australian. So it was the same thing where she never renounced her citizenship. Yeah. Well, it's like here. It's like Mitt Romney being Mexican. Yeah. Or it's like Ted Cruz being Canadian. Right. Yeah. He was born there. Very few. It's kind of interesting. What do you think about the very few countries? I don't know. I think he was Mexican, but born in Mexico. Like most countries in the Western hemisphere have some sort of birthright citizenship where you're if you're born in the country, you're automatic. Well, I know there's countries that say if your parent was born in this country, you can apply and get a passport. Well, but it doesn't automatically grant you the citizenship in those cases, whereas New Zealand was like, no, you're you're a citizen. I think in France until very recently, like five or 10 years ago, that was the case as well. If you were either born in the country or Yeah, or I think maybe if your parents are, you get it anyway, whether or not you... But there's a difference between being able to get it and having it trust upon you. No, you are. Yeah. So you're saying it was that. It was the same thing. Yeah. That's interesting. And it was protective for the citizens. I was born down in a dead man's town. Where are you now? First kick I took was before I hit the ground because I was born in the USA. Very interesting. That song. Yeah, it's actually not what you think when you. Exactly. And it's being used as what you think. All right. I'm going to go. All right. Thank you, Patrick. We are published now too. Thank you everybody for watching. Have a lovely day.