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I'm back after being away for some other work last week, but a huge, huge thanks to everybody who covered last week, especially Ms. Jenny Josephson, our producer, and Roger Chang, who's going to join us today as well to talk a little E3. How are you doing, Roger? I am good. I am just catching up on E3's precedent. Yeah, I've got Roger paying attention to the EA press event. Basically, there's no time during the day where somebody's not going to be announcing something or about to announce something. So he's going to keep an eye on EA. We'll talk about Bethesda. We'll talk about Microsoft and all that good stuff. But Veronica, would you like to start the headlines now? Let's do it. All right, let's do it. As I mentioned, Microsoft had their E3 press conference this morning. The crowd pleaser of the announcement was backwards compatibility for some Xbox 360 games on the Xbox One. Select titles to start with, and they say they'll increase over time. We'll show up automatically if you bought them through Xbox Live, and they can be added individually if you bought them on disk just by putting the disk in. They do have to be a qualifying title. A new Xbox Wireless Elite Controller was also announced. That one's coming in the autumn. No price on that yet, but it's fully reprogrammable. Even as swappable buttons and analog sticks, you could just, it has a carrying case. It's crazy. Windows 10 was announced as a platform for Valve VR. They showed off a version of Minecraft for HoloLens, which kind of stunned the audience as well. And of course, games, games, games, games. Among those announcements were Halo 5 Guardians. That's coming October 27th. Rainbow Six Siege October 13th. Rare replay of their classic games for $30 coming August 4th. Rise of the Tomb Raider got a lot of positive response. That's November 10th. Also Cuphead, Dark Souls 3. We're going to talk about this a little more in a bit. So hang on. Yeah, the controller was especially interesting, I think, to a lot of people in the audience, particularly the PC set. There was so much discussed about the compatibility between Windows 10 and Xbox One. I think we'll talk about that more later as well. But yeah, definitely a lot for PC gamers. I think this is really Microsoft reaching out to that crowd again and being like, hey, you thought we forgot you. We haven't forgotten you. We're bringing you back in. So I think that's pretty cool. Moving on, Bethesda kicked off the pre-E3 Press Extravaganza last night. A new Doom, just called Doom, is the first game on the new ID Tech 6 engine. Sorry, ID Tech 6 engine. It has an accessible modding tool called SnapMap. And we'll come to PS4, Xbox One, and PC in spring 2016. Elder Scrolls Legends is a strategy card game with a trailer very similar to Hearthstone's, free to play on iPad and PC by the end of the year. A big one I'm excited about, Dishonored 2, is coming that we don't know quite when. And of course, Fallout 4 arrives November 10th. I am so stoked with mods, and you can create on PC and then transfer them over to Xbox One. And a PipBoy app that can be best used inside a full-sized real-life PipBoy sleeve available in a collector's edition. And of course, the free-to-play fallout mobile game called Fallout Shelter has launched. I downloaded that, and I've been playing that for the last 10 hours or so. Very addictive, very fun. Have you really been playing it since they announced it? Yeah, pretty much. All my little vault dwellers are slowly dying of radiation because I didn't build a science lab fast enough, so be warned. Build a science lab often and early. Or you end up in a really bad version of wool by Hugh Howie. Yes. They just launched a new app called Moments that groups photos based on when they were taken and identifies who is in them. You can then choose to sync them with specific friends and vice versa. They can sync theirs with you. It can also group photos based on who is in them and lets you search for photos of particular people. Moments launched today in the U.S. on iOS and Android. More countries will follow over time. I guess the idea is sometimes it's really hard for people to share their photos at an event. And so Facebook says, well, we'll know when you took them. So you can easily just go, oh, all of these pictures are this event. That's for you, Veronica. How about just build that into the Facebook app and don't make me download another stupid app? You say that. I do say that. I feel like, I'm just going to play devil's advocate here. I feel like if they did build it into the app, we'd all be saying, oh, the app is so complicated. Now there's moments on top of Timeline and Messenger. If everything was in there, wouldn't that be too much? I hate switching back and forth. I hate even having to use Messenger. And so the idea of having to use yet another application on top of it, I guess I'm just bitter that I'm still on Facebook at all. And so having to download even more things. Everyone uses it and you're like forced to use it basically. I'm basically trapped inside Facebook. And now I have to download more things to make it a better experience. Oh, we don't play that. I used to be, I used to not play that, that kind of multiple app thing. I'm sort of unwillingly being dragged into it more and more all the time. But I thought Swarm and Foursquare would really annoy me a lot more than it did. But because it can automatically go back and forth between the apps, it almost feels seamless. I haven't yet. I've almost actually forgotten that they're the same, technically the same company and app, and that, well, they're not the same app, but I use them independently for such different reasons now that I've gotten used to that, but I don't feel like this is the same scenario. That's just me. That's a lot of talking for one new segment. Recode has a breakdown of the revenue split for Apple's music. Apple executive Robert Condirk, who negotiates music deals, said Apple will pay out 71.5% of the $10 a month subscription revenue from the U.S. Outside the U.S. a percentage will be around 73%. That will be split up somehow among music owners, that would be the labels and publishers, one assumes based on plays. Apple, however, will not pay labels for rights to their music during the three-month free trial, which begins on June 30th. Yeah, this is interesting because we always hear Apple with a very rigid 70-30 split, and we think that that's actually, you know, very, very generous to developers, some people think, but it looks like the music companies were like, well, we want just a couple percentages more than that, and honestly, that can mean several million dollars, if not more. Yes. It makes all the difference. Money, money, money. VentureBeat reports that Razer has acquired Android game console maker Ouya, Investment Bank Mesa Global has confirmed the deal. Razer has not, at least not yet. VentureBeat says Ouya debt holders triggered the sale and would cost $10 million to buy out the debt holders. Razer has its own Android console called Forge. Ouya has a library, though, with 124 Android games, including some exclusives and more than 40,000 plus developers. Yeah. Razer can sell hardware. Ouya can encourage developers. It seems like a match made in heaven. I love Razer stuff. I'm a big fan of that company and all their peripherals and devices. So I think that's a good move for them. It's exciting. The next web reports that Skype for Web is now available worldwide. Skype's web app works with IE, Chrome, Firefox, and Windows NOS 10, as well as on Chrome OS and Linux. For now, you'll need a plug-in to make calls, but in the future, the web app will use Web RTC, which is really great. I actually downloaded it into on my Windows machine, my gaming box. It didn't work right away. I think it might have had something to do with the plug-in, but I was really trying to get it downloaded very quickly because I was using the Metro app and that didn't work at all. I just started crashing and I was like, oh, I better try to download a new client and I went on and it said, oh, you can use it on the Web now. I said, okay, that's a faster fix. It didn't work, so then I ended up downloading the new app anyway. Well, that's called... Cool story, Veronica. That's called using a Web plug-in, right? I mean, that's the danger of doing it this way. So I'm much more looking forward to Web RTC and seeing how they implement that because, yeah, anytime you involve plug-ins, man, you're just adding complexity. Totally. New York Times reports IBM will commit hundreds of millions of dollars to developing Apache Spark, the open-source project for real-time data analysis. Spark was developed at the Algorithms, Machines, and People Lab at the University of California, Berkeley. And IBM says it's now going to put more than 3,500 developers and researchers to work on Spark related projects. They're going to embed Spark in the data analysis software IBM sells and even offer Spark as a service. So this is kind of IBM playing king maker. They've done this before. A lot of people credit the rise of Linux in great part to IBM starting to support it in the early 2000s. Obviously the PC revolution was sparked by IBM. I just ran right into that one. I couldn't avoid it. Back in the 80s. So this could be another example of taking an open-source project and launching it into the stratosphere. Very cool. Good stuff from IBM. And Gadget reports Spotify has launched a site called SpotifyTasteRewind.com which analyzes your music library to recommend decades specific playlists from the 1960s through whatever we call last decade before this one. So for instance, if I like major laser, Wiz Khalifa, and Pitbull, my 1970s playlist might have Bob Marley, the Isley Brothers, and Julio Iglesias, which is what happened for Tom. That is exactly what happened when I went to IBM. How did that work out for you? Those people. The decade, the old decade playlists were pretty awesome, although pretty sure that it's taking in your library into account because I liked those three people and it put the Beach Boys in my 60s playlist. I'm trying to find the ties. Yeah. I'm sure they're in there somewhere. I have to assume Spotify is harder about music than I am. Some kind of music genome like similarity in there. Maybe. Perhaps. Pretty innovative. Major laser. Very innovative. Time now for some news from you. I've missed you guys. DailyTechnewshow.Reddit.com though kept things going and it never stops. Go join thousands of people who let us know what stories they're interested in hearing us talk about at DailyTechnewshow.Reddit.com. The man who makes our chat room possible among many other things, T2T2, informed us that the makers of Notepad Plus have left SourceForge a blog post on NotepadPlusPlus.org site SourceForge's several incidents where SourceForge has bundling Adware into hosted open source projects without notifying the owners and creators of the software. The post reads such a shameless policy should be condemned and the Notepad Plus Plus project will move entirely out of SourceForge. The post encourages other project owners to also move off SourceForge and T2 in the chat room pointed out just before the show a Reddit thread that SourceForge is now doing this to Firefox. So wow! It'll be interesting to see what comes of that. That's crazy! Man! That's a big change. Well, I guess we'll look at that one. We'll poke in the Fox. Poking that Fox. See how it responds. T-Glass1976 sent us a gizmodo article about the first prosthetic leg that can simulate sensation. A team at the University of Applied Sciences Upper Austria relocated a patient's nerve endings closer to where the prosthesis connects and connected the nerve endings to simulators located on the prosthetic legs which are then connected to six sensors on the sole of the prosthetic foot. When the sensors push against the ground the nerve endings get a sense of feeling. The sense of touch makes the user safer and can help stop a limb pain. Wow! That idea that you can actually feel your foot on the ground in a prosthetic limb now. This has been done in prosthetic arms and fingers already. It's very interesting, I think, for a leg because you depend so much when walking and navigating surfaces and navigating uneven terrain, that sense of touch and pressure really helps you make choices and helps you figure out where you're going and what you're doing. I think even almost more so than your sense of touch, it's important for living a normal lifestyle in many ways. I think that's really quite incredible. I was just going to say forget all this idea of prosthetics just being able to be controlled more by the human hand or foot. Other than the sort of close sense of touch, it's mostly pressure sensitive here, but we're getting closer to just having a prosthetic limb that is in most ways no different than a real one. Absolutely. The technology has come so far in the past few years even. That is a look at the headlines. I don't know, ask Veronica. Maybe she'll talk about it on the Engadget Show. That's true. Roger Chang, you have been keeping an eye on what EA is saying right now. What have they announced so far? So in terms of the big stuff first is Mass Effect Indroma, which is the fourth installment to the RBG from Bioware. It's announced to be coming in Holiday 2016. Need for Speed which basically is if anyone remembers is the car driving get away from the cops. But now they say built around in real world icons are five action packed overlapping stories. What those stories may be is to be determined. However, it will be available for PS4, Xbox One, and PC November 3rd. People who actually still play Star Wars the Old Republic have something to look forward to. They have a new expansion pack arriving October 27th. One of the fallen Empire in the trailer of the show showed two brothers initially young boys fighting with sticks against each other and as they get older they become lightsaber wielding characters. Unravel which is a 2D platformer but with a unique twist in that the character is made up of yarn and you can basically use this thread that he chose along with him as part of the gameplay. Almost but not quite like Bionic Command though. Plants vs. Zombie, Garden Warfare 2 the fall up to Plants vs. Zombie, Garden Warfare Garden Warfare which was the game that turned Plants vs. Zombie from kind of a strategy based game and desktop tower defense into a third person shooter. Now they're going through EA Sports lineup including new NHL 16 Rory McRoy's PGA Tour NBA Live 16 and then NFL 16. And they're just getting into mobile and by the way just the second right as you're finishing up new collectible card game from Star Wars Star Wars Galaxy of Heroes. So everybody's trying to do Hearthstone now basically. Yeah well I mean it's been a huge hit for Blizzard so I'm not too surprised and it's smart going that free to play route adding things that you can add on later that you can pay for more card packs more things of that nature. It's a good model. It's a working model. It keeps people engaged. It keeps them wanting the next level of stuff. So I think we've seen that working out really well and people are making that grab now. Although Kyle Orland at Ars Technica says absolutely no applause for the Star Wars collectible card game. You know for a lot of the audience members maybe because they've been around they've been around a lot of these E3s it's like okay we see what you're you're trying to leverage on the popularity of blah blah blah game or blah blah scenario or you know pick whatever and trying to run with it. The Xbox kind of kind of had a couple or presentation had a couple of those as well where it's like oh we got this and it's like one clap. People are really on my Twitter stream at least people are very excited about Unravel I don't know if the presentation was particularly heartfelt but it seems like people are already really relating to Yarni and his plight or her plight. It's a really good looking game if you can imagine the visuals from Little Big Planet and then you know it's a 2D platformer. So it's a very engaged I mean just looking at it looks like a very engaging game. You know if you told someone the premise over lunch it's like maybe but if you actually look at what they had on offer it's actually pretty sweet. It looks pretty sweet. Yeah that's what I love about these small indie titles is that they have this opportunity to tell these very different kinds of stories from a big triple A title and they're usually smaller they're easier to consume they don't take as long to play but they really pack a punch with the emotions that they can fit into something like that and the storytelling that they can do that's so different and I think that's you know as the graphics and the gameplay just get better and better each new generation the storytelling is improving in such an incredible way too. I think I think I mean at least with this E3 what I've noticed is the graphics of kind of plateaued in so much that you aren't getting those huge generational leaks that you saw from like the PS1 to PS2, PS2 to PS3 but what you do see is taking the existing formulas and actually now okay we have the graphics down let us figure out how to make the game actually more engaging instead of just giving it a higher resolution coat of paint you know more eye candy let's make it more cerebral let's make it more like oh this isn't just another third person shooter even though there were a lot of third person shooters. Yeah or you're seeing something like Cuphead which they showed off in the Microsoft announcement where they're pursuing an entirely different style and saying let's see how close to a 1930s animation style we can get and it's incredibly impressive because of how good it looks knowing it's supposed to be. It looks like a 16-foot Willy. Yeah, it is. It is essentially that style and it's very Fleischman oriented it does have that and this is a great thing about I think once you once you can say alright I don't need to worry about making super awesome graphics and we're going to invest in all our time energy and that's like okay now we've reached a point where let's think about how we want the game to actually be different other than looking prettier or sounding better. Yeah. It's actually kind of it's really neat to see because you know for the past five years it's been shooter this, shooter that but look now you got a different gun that looks better or you got better effects. Well it's not just that too but it's also since the hardware is improving we're getting things like this interoperability between Windows 10 and the console with Xbox One so now you can actually we're going to be able to finally play with our PC brethren and vice versa moving forward and that's you know that's huge. I mean PlayStation 4 has been able to do this to some extent for a while now which has been really cool but this is really big for me especially because I play so many titles on the PC that I kind of wish I could play with my Xbox friends every so often that hasn't been an option or if I buy a game for Xbox and I want to be able to play it once in a while on my PC with my PC friends now we're going to be able to do that and for me that is the biggest announcement I think that Xbox came out with so far at E3. Yeah Satchimania running wild in the Xbox world as well it's a kinder gentler Microsoft where they say sure we're going to make a hollow lens but we're also going to support not only Oculus which we announced last Friday but Valve VR and though Microsoft are not on the best of speaking terms these days but Microsoft is willing to say look we just want to we want to support whatever you want to use we want to make things easy cross platform we don't want to be competing with ourselves and we want Windows 10 because it is going to essentially have a version running on Xbox to be the same world no matter whether you're using this shape of a device or a surface tablet or a laptop or whatever and I think it's really telling me if you compare this E3 with at least Xbox the Xbox press event versus the one last year last year was they gave a nod to games but they were really pushing all the other services on the platform and now they've really go okay this is about the games this is about gaming and what's even more important I think is that they're acknowledging that there is a gaming there's gaming in Microsoft on the PC side and this time they've every kind of PC game initiative that Microsoft did was sort of a back burner affair it was like life for games everything was kluji didn't work well and people were just running and massed the platforms like Steam because it did everything so much better it was less tedious it was very straightforward things were cheaper it was great across the board and I think Microsoft is working on the facts and they get everything in almost a platform agnostic fashion where everything is tied together by Microsoft with a Microsoft back end but whatever you're using to play our games whether it's an Xbox console or PC we're going to support that I think the backward compatibility is really interesting because that was at a left field it was at a left field it's less than they announced so many games are going to be supported and you know it's going to be a small list and it was difficult to do this is not a machine that can just take a disk and run it they noted you have to download that disk to your hard drive to make it work so there's some sort of emulation or conversion going on and they had to write code to put into the Xbox One platform to do that specifically to be able to come out on stage and make this announcement which did get a huge round of applause I almost think out of proportion to the benefit that people are going to get from it I mean they announced at least 100 games targeting 100 games by this holiday season which I mean by the end of the year I'm sure it will be all the big titles too it will be all the big titles but I'm sure a majority of the games will be the ones that adhered to the API development platform that Microsoft wanted everyone to use at that point then it's more porting the actual API infrastructure over onto the Xbox One so you don't have to emulate the hardware on the 360 you just need to emulate the engine that the game runs on and so it's a sure move because really if you think about it it's a lot of work for very little money return like dollar return but it's huge in the PR campaign that they have going on with Sony and to a lesser extent Nintendo they're finally back on an upward slope against Playstation they finally with that $50 price decrease on the Xbox One they're starting to recover some of that lost market share and I think going back to the Xbox 360 players who have held on to that console for dear life because they don't want to give up their favorite titles this is going to go a long way in easing people into the next generation I am definitely surprised how well Microsoft came out with these announcements they did a lot to kind of placate the fact that a lot of people are thinking that Microsoft isn't concerned about adding new television media content services to this platform so it's just this giant home theater PC in your living room that does everything and does games sort of well you know if you're a gamer you're going to go with the PS4 I think this kind of was an answer to a lot of those kind of rumblings from people should we talk about some of the I was just going to say Phil Spencer grabbed control of this from Don Matrick a couple years ago and wrenched it back towards the gaming side and one of the ways you saw that was that Xbox Elite Wireless Controller swappable components a carrying case differing lengths of rear paddles you can I think there's 255 different profiles combinations you can use to remap the buttons you can remap the buttons in the middle of a game you can switch from one profile to another I think it's only between two selected profiles but you can have sort of a looser fine tuning on your analog stick or a tighter one and then switch to the opposite what were you going to say Roger because it's pretty crazy the modular gamepad is a new like Logitech and a few other companies came up for the PC and for third party controllers for the console but this is huge because now this is kind of an official controller that supports this and I can only imagine what the cottage industry that will spring up around it like oh look you can get Hello Kitty colored doodads that you can kind of tack onto it and the ability to customize the controller is huge I think people don't underestimate how you know for some people whether because you're left handed or some you know the layout doesn't fit you this totally makes it you know so much easier and I'm also wondering if this will lend itself for developing a control mechanism for people who have limited mobility either with their hands or you know for example they can't use both hands or something it would be great because right now you have to buy a very expensive device that basically wraps around the controller to be able to use things like your feet or maybe your head to run jump and push buttons and this is something too that I think may actually get me back into using a controller for PC gaming because that's something we've been able to do with a lot of titles on the PC side however I've never really done it because I like having the ability to key map my different buttons on my 20 button mouse and on my keyboard my you know old z-board and I like having that functionality and being able to swap profile or profiles based on what game I'm playing on the PC for example so giving it this extra level of modularity I guess is really I think very appealing to some of the more hardcore PC gamers that want to be able to switch out buttons switch out profiles do all that stuff that we're very accustomed to doing with our gaming mouses and keyboards and you can't run macros on it macros are like one of the unsung advantages of just PC gaming it's like what one key boom I haven't done macros since my old wow days the controller itself stores the profiles too so you don't have that lag of the computer trying to remap on the fly as it goes which is I think a big advantage as well we don't know how much this thing is going to cost though so we'll have to wait it's probably going to be 70 bucks I think it might be closer to 100 I think they could get away with closer to 100 they could but at the same you know that's the thing that's the connect price which brings up another point that's the one thing you notice they didn't really mention for any gameplay was the new connect that's a very good point I don't know that the word came up in the entire press that I've noticed you know maybe you might have kind of mumbled it or connect but yeah that was one thing shoot yeah wow it's very telling that it wasn't it was I noticed it by its absence and I'm wondering you know are they going to come out with they can't come out with the super expensive peripheral no they're skipping they're skipping straight to VR they're going straight to VR headsets they're going to the whole the whole connect thing I'm sure is going to be phased out within the next couple years yeah VR and AR I think connect might merge into the box possibly as just a kind of a speech recognition visual detection camera we have cameras and mics in our laptops that's kind of what's happening with move on on the PlayStation side you know they're taking a lot of that technology and putting it into their into their headset so it would make sense to me that we'd see connect but in a very modified kind of way to make the interoperability between the headset and the console more efficient Roger which of the game announcements most excited you because Microsoft was saying this is the best lineup of Xbox games in history which is funny because the one game that really caught my attention was Cuphead just because visually it's a very stunning and very remarkable game the other one of course was the one that was announced last night and that was fallout four and I see I am a RP I like RPGs but I'm not a fantasy RPG guy like I'm not really big on storage dragons and crossbows but a mass effect the new mass effect and drama I am sitting on pins and new because I want to play that now I don't want to wait I wanted to come out this fall next year I'm so excited yeah I'm really fall out for as my jam I'm super excited about it I love Bethesda games I love fallout I'm like already I saw the trailer and I started crying like that I wasn't like that I was crazy I am about fallout because of the dog because of the whole you get to see some of like the the early days before you know basically nuclear Armageddon happens and so for me it's like you know it's going to be really of I don't know how different it's going to be but I'm excited to see some of the back story of that world yeah I'm really super excited about it I will say that you know E3's still have a lot of sequelitis there's a lot of sequels but the the unravel was one of the first games and along with cupped that kind of like say hey good there's people out here that are making new friend you know you know new games with new franchise that aren't you know some variation on the pre-existing one and that's I think that's good to see and you know Tomb Raider you know Tomb Raider looks awesome Tomb Raider looks awesome and even though it is part of a very long franchise with the reboot that they did with the one last or a couple of years ago I think they've actually moved it up to a new level and not just graphically but they did elevate kind of the gameplay into something that wasn't just a straight third-person chute chute chute jump jump jump platformer I almost feel like I would I would put Tomb Raider with the the reboot I you know I would consider putting that on par with the entire Uncharted series which is like a big thing for me to say but I think in terms of visualizations and storytelling and like character development I think it's right up there I would say I would say it's close to it I think Uncharted still has much better script writing and much better voice acting okay I'll give you the voice acting for sure they kind of kicked it but let me just say if something happens to that dog and fall out for I'm going to burn this M effort down I'm going to go to Bethesda Maryland I'm going to find Todd Howard and I'm going to and I swear I will find you I will if anything like that happens please be aware I am in no way connected to Veronica Belmont or any of her threats of Veronica Belmont in no way represents a brilliant LLC daily tech news show where it's hosts yeah but I have to agree with your rise of the Tomb Raider had me transfixed and I know it's you know so playable quote unquote demo but if that game looks as good as that mountain side scene like you're they are definitely continuing to step up that game I couldn't take my eyes off off of that and and it was it was the tension of that scene of like whether she's going to make it through and they're climbing a mountain and just really good storytelling like you say I also gigantic caught my eye because it looks very much in the same style of blizzards overwatch and I feel like that's another trend that's bubbling up I mean all the big big basically you see people floating in space or people in a post apocalyptic dark environment from the big company so it's it's nice to see brightly colored things coming around as well mm-hmm yeah it's definitely nice to see that everything isn't all about the end of the world guns and body count yeah yeah and it's it's specifically a specificity it's very interesting to that that Tomb Raider is going to be platform is going to be only for Xbox I mean Xbox exclusive Xbox exclusive these all stay in exclusive for like a year yeah and they always make a bigger deal out of it at E3 than any you know because they want to make it sound like they have all the games and you should always get you can't you can't deny that and you know what they mean exclusive means console exclusive because if they're going to make money on Steam or a PC5 they're going to do it yeah well and Microsoft is fine with that they sell Windows after all so coming up as we say the EA press conference going on right now and if anything else huge comes out of that you know like I don't know New Mirror's Edge apparently from T2T2 yeah we'll cover that in tomorrow's show and of course by the time you're listening to this Ubisoft may have made their announcements Sony may have made their announcements Nintendo has a digital announcement that will all be on tomorrow's show with Patrick Beja as well any last thoughts on E3 Veronica it's hard to keep up these days I mean I love video games but being not being in the gaming industry anymore it's definitely hard to to keep track of all the big announcements I pretty much lock into the ones that I'm super excited about and learn everything I can about them and other stuff bubbles to the surface eventually it's hard to keep up, it's a lot of information a game has to work hard to win your your love it's a big time investment we all have different things pulling us in different directions and you only have so much time for gaming so it's got to be good so your thoughts on E3 are step it up people you got to impress me Roger what about you I think you know it's kind of where at one half I see it's kind of traditional standard video gaming giant press of it I did owe a lot of what I agree with a lot of what Veronica said what kind of I don't know if it's a good or bad thing is that E3 has turned it's kind of away from what was originally two vendors meeting like a publisher and a store that's going to buy the game more of hey let's forward face directly to the gamers directly to the public and more about kind of you know I hate to say it but a bit of a dog and pony show like you're flogging your wares in front of the audience and I'm wondering in the future how long you know events like E3 will be around when you know a lot of larger publishers might do the Apple thing it's like well don't need to be at this event we can do our own I don't have time for all of you and you can't keep this up forever people yes it's the dream one soon these are our thoughts on E3 I want to point out too real quick send us the Ars Technica link that is now updated xbox.com apparently says that the Microsoft controller elite controller will come out in October for $150 oh my gosh that's what I was thinking and I was like this is what they're guessing I was like those are $100 I didn't mean on the other side I should have said it out loud that's a lot of money that's a lot of money for a controller I guess that's why they didn't make that announcement in the press conference for that reaction that's like 20 bucks more than the Kinect yeah I mean you get a carrying case will you use it more than the Kinect you know I shouldn't joke because a lot of people who spend money on fighting sticks for like Street Fighter they'll spend like $150 $200 on getting custom made ones so I guess I wouldn't spend I wouldn't spend I'm not impressed Roger says no you know what I have a kid I'd rather feed my kid over getting a nice $150 key control that's perfectly fair yeah if it's between those two things I would choose feeding even your child over $150 control so our last E3 note is don't starve children to buy controllers yes because if you do then you need a reevaluation of your life our pick of the day comes from Davulu who's been sending us some great ones thanks for sending these along the website is called speciesinpieces.com there's hyphens in there species-in-pieces.com was created by the Amsterdam based designer Brian James who wanted to push the limits of cascading style sheets and CSS's animation capabilities while building a platform for raising awareness of endangered species so the result is an interactive catalog of 30 animals who are endangered created entirely with CSS and each animation focuses on the 30 pieces used to create them as well as stats about the different animals obviously works best in Google Chrome which has definitely pushed the idea of in-browser CSS animation in HTML5 but check it out it's a really cool little site and I found it not only beautiful but also educational myself so thank you for sending that Davulu speciesinpieces again species-in-pieces.com send your picks to feedback at dailytechnewshow.com you can find my picks at dailytechnewshow.com Roger let me know I know you've got to jump out here at some point so let me know if you need to go right now do you I don't know my landlord hasn't called me well if your landlord calls rush runoff we got a couple emails here Russell wrote in and said on Friday's show you guys Roger, Jenny, Len and Lamar were talking about Google being forced to block a website as part of a judgment by a Canadian court against a company called Datalink Russell said the strange thing about this is that if you were to enforce a judgment I'm not a lawyer but it would seem it would seem the enforcement of a judgment would lay in the hands of law enforcement the judicial system or the correctional system this seems like a very strange thing to do and felt a bit off well Google feels the same way in fact that's what the whole right to be forgotten fight in Europe is about Russell it's the exact same thing which is the governments in this case Canada but in the case of right to be forgotten Europe saying to a private entity you are responsible for the messages carried through your system and so if we find that those messages are against the law you will have to block them same thing goes on in the UK when ISPs are ordered to block certain websites from being accessed in other words they just do not translate the underlying IP address into a domain name so yeah it is odd and Russell says I'm wondering if there's a lawyer in the community who could shed some more light on it if there's any lawyers on there who can argue why and what the legal theory is that says that a judge can tell a private company search engine yes it is now your responsibility to remove this link because linking generally is considered legal interesting question and then Scott said with Friday's news and rumored that Blackberry may not be working on an Android based phone he's wondering if Nokia and Blackberry are perfectly suited for a partnership of some sort Blackberry brings device management and security with Samsung Knox nipping at its heels as well as Blackberry Messenger one of the largest messaging clients fourth or fifth while Nokia brings solid mapping which it really wants to become a viable small smartphone alternative to Google Maps and our Apple Maps both have a devoted fan base and I believe they have both moved away from producing their own hardware well Blackberry hasn't but a lot of people think they should and they have shown that they can in other words they have contracted manufacturers to make hardware for them so they've taken steps in that direction partnership of two drowning rats how about this Scott I think Nokia is still isn't Nokia owned by Microsoft now no Nokia's handset division is owned by Microsoft Nokia Maps the Nokia networking and Nokia research is owned still by Nokia and at the end of this year I think what's causing a lot of the speculation Nokia will have the right to start making their own handsets again if they wanted to so maybe I don't know it's you know you're I mean for fan base yet it could work but I don't know if it would work in terms of how they want to position themselves because Blackberry that's the point where they really only have their enterprise security to kind of you know bring forth as like a very unique better than anyone else has and we're trying to figure out how the mapping would tie in to that I feel like the partnership here isn't necessarily Nokia going back to designing handsets a lot of people speculated they could design handsets and have an independent manufacturer make them and I don't think it's Blackberry doing that either but maybe teaming up or maybe Blackberry should buy Nokia's map division which Nokia has said it is willing to sell at the right price and a lot of people speculated that Veronica what do you think? Yeah I could see them definitely going into getting the maps portion of that business and kind of you know building out their roster of really good dependable services that they offer so far I know Roger has been a big Blackberry user in the past you were that was previous I have a Nexus 4 and I've had it for three years full on Android now I think that's my landlord so he's like I'm out and he's never joining us follow him on Twitter Jolly Roger anything else before you say hello to your landlord? No I'll be back to finish up the show Thanks Roger I'll be back to finish up the show it's Veronica Belmont as well as always a pleasure twitter.com slash Veronica anything else going on obviously the new show on Engadget Yeah the brand new show dear Veronica on Engadget every Wednesday morning we are tackling your biggest questions from the world of technology social media if you've got questions I will do my best to answer them and if I can't answer them I will find an expert who can so I'm really excited I'm shooting the next two episodes Wednesday and yeah it's going to be really fun we've gotten some great questions so far people have been really excited about the show and giving a lot of great feedback and we're working on a podcast feed that's the big number one ask that everyone's been pinging me about and whatever to do when you're at a big company like AOL Engadget so I'm working on it though and hopefully by next week we'll have a feed up and ready for you guys Let me just 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dailytechnewshow.com more E3 coverage as I mentioned tomorrow with Patrick Beja, talk to you then on Frogpants Network get more at frogpants.com time and club hope you have enjoyed this program great show what should we call it yeah let's look at the fingers showbox.tv good did you enjoy that I did because I am also a super fallout fan yeah huge and I will join you in the quest for dog's revenge dog's revenge I love it have you seen the trailer for max yet I cried in the theater I'm like I don't know what is wrong with me but I'm like a commercial crier I'm a movie trailer crier I'm like you talk about a dog getting hurt I'll just start crying it's like not good couldn't make it through ugh I played it before Jurassic World is that where you saw it no I saw it before oh what did I see that wasn't very good I can't remember I loved Jurassic World though but you knew I would Jurassic Park is my favorite movie and so Jurassic World just made me feel like it was a really fun reboot I loved it that was off topic um no not at all we talk all about movies on this post show alright so wait but before we get into that titles um let's see we doomed um Bethesda I like to have Bethesda where is that I don't see that it only has one vote um it's sort of a it's a shallow field today it's a lot of me not being impressed yeah I don't know if IBM was a strong enough story to be to warrant a title the spark of IBM they just liked the puns yeah it was a good pun Belmont is not impressed is leading the way though oh no not by much though I'm not impressed by how far it's leading we're doomed okay we're doomed partnership of two drowning rats it's pretty good hooked on a foot feeling I don't know we're doomed is leading yeah I'm not I'm not feeling these you're not getting you you liked Bethesda I don't understand that what is that a joke but what's the meh my interpretation was super addictive oh and we're excited about it because it's not it wouldn't be meh meh that stuff yeah because it's we were excited about we're not feeling meh it has multiple interpretations mm-hmm mm-hmm we still got time so here's a question backward compatibility maybe yeah here's a question I have a question for smarter people than I I'm sorry I can't help you if I wanted to potentially assign a theoretical class that I theoretically teach to do a diy 360 degree camera rig and shoot 360 degree video and stitch it together and put it on youtube is there anything that is not and tell a story with it is there anything that is not possible for that to happen right now other than the need to get like 16 go pros or however many go pros well there's that little that 360 camera that um who had did someone have one at the BOL reunion Tom yeah the person who works at the place I'm not even sure if we're supposed to then I didn't say that well I think it's okay to admit it was there but I wouldn't say anymore about who or from where good I didn't but I have a bunch of you know theoretical school children who are not like well anyway I wouldn't even say that I will just say do you think it's theoretically possible to have them build a head rig with if they had a bunch of go pros and then stitched together this might be a Roger question I'm just trying to decide if that's a reasonable ask for a project so you gave up on the titles is what you're saying yeah I didn't let you and you just want to solve your own personal problem I want to solve my own personal problems on the co-show that's what this co-show is all about I'm going to use we're doomed as our title because we're doomed um check the chat room I bet they're starting to come up with some things there are plenty of programs that will stitch together 360 degree video for you yeah how good they are I don't know it's not free yet that's 360 it seems to me pictures would be easy yeah it seems to me that the software is the is the hold up right because like everybody has a GoPro and you could probably build a rig not too hard and YouTube now supports it in some degree but it's the software that's the problem well it's the software that is the thing that was like GoPro made a big deal about announcing a Google I Oh that they had software who could that could do that I think you can do very short very limited versions of it as long as you you know basically do markers and stuff like that but yeah I don't think I don't think there's like an off-the-shelf thing that just does it you could for picture you know if you wanted to give them something that would let them get the experience of 360 degrees and say like hey the next step will soon be video you could have them do pictures and that wouldn't be that hard but yeah you're basically saying replicate what GoPro just announced out of their lab and you can't do that yet too bad alright next semester oh my fault semester maybe two years from now oh wait I was starting to look hold on I know you two supports it they're 40 yeah YouTube definitely the end the end single camp yeah tinvec points out you could do it single cam I gotta go guys alright thanks Veronica thank you bye um you could just do fisheye single cam yeah and again you're trying to approximate something that's like fresh out of the lab yeah I know but I feel like other people must be out there doing that oh there I went nope now back okay so it's a refresh Tom look what's happening right now I know you're working I can't I can't look right I know it's a refresh problem it just freaks out and freezes and are you getting anything out of the chat room yes I had to wait for it to catch up um yeah good yeah Google this is what they announced Google IO the jump the jump rig uh I will sign up to learn more filmmaker director sure you're you're essentially asking like the the day 4k cameras came out like is there a cheap way to do 4k but isn't that what everybody that can't afford the rig asks sure yeah usually takes a technology being out for a little while before the uh the knockoffs come along yeah I'm writing up my answers right now writing up your answers yeah like for why I want to jump camera oh yeah they'll still make you pay for it though I think okay do you know how much it is uh yeah but the school it's not just me oh do you think the school has budget for that probably not because that'd be awesome yeah all of a sudden the calculus changes entirely as soon as you're like oh wait but the school would pay like oh now it can be ten thousand dollars yeah I mean I don't think they will for my class but I think you might be able to convince them I get that yeah I'm trying to the bottom line is uh when one is about to embark here's an interesting conundrum this is the root of the conundrum getting away from 360 degree of video for a second the root of the conundrum is when I start ginning up a lesson plan about web series I am left not feeling super excited about teaching it I think and I and I've been thinking a lot about this this weekend because I'm trying to gin up a lesson plan about web series and I'm coming to the conclusion that we're at a lull podcasts aside and live streaming aside does it feel like we're in a little bit of a lull for the traditional web series or maybe not a lull but a it doesn't feel to me like the form is evolving and so I started to think about okay well why is that and where would the form go and I came up with the people who usually paid a sponsor a good web series might be putting their money into the next thing right and then you see where I'm going with this and then like not really because I'm I can't I'm doing something else at the same time but my question so my totally like half listening question is like yeah but what's a web series sounds like you're trying to preserve an old form of something I agree that that was my other theory like the a it's too broad a term right yeah B it's the one minute webisode the the a good example I don't know maybe it's just too broad a topic what web series yeah I just think it's becoming a meaningless topic yeah web series was when people who did television said well you can't do that on the web so let's make some video and call it a web series and now there's just there's just no difference there's shorts and there's series and there's one offs but the the it's no longer determined by the carrying capacity anymore it's determined that is the conclusion that I've been sort of struggling with yeah but the content is not limited by the tubes anymore yeah exactly I hate that word but that the storytelling is not limited by the tubes right limited by I still think it's limited by the watchability of something on the device I think it's still influenced by device you could definitely say that your story is influenced by screen size right yes so that that is something that won't change you'll always have smaller devices and medium devices and larger screens and so you've got to decide like oh which which screen am I targeting with this and then it then you then you've got something like mobile like you're making a mobile series because you mean for people to watch it on snapchat or you know on Facebook on their phone micro story telling yeah yeah I think that's what I'm sort of coming to is that it's just like that it I don't know tubularly limited schnago I like that and then yeah so that's where my mind went was straight to 360 like alright well if that has become not differentiated from full-length feature except for where it ends up then what is the thing that differentiates now and I thought you know starting to tell stories in 360 degrees might be interesting but I can tell them about it that's leaping way ahead yeah that isn't bad it's just expensive well they can't do it but maybe at least I can talk about it that's sort of the thing the thing to keep your eye on as the next the next format yeah mobile is actually the current I think mobile is your current like that's where that's where people are trying to crack now with augmented reality in terms of using not only storytelling but also using your phone as the gateway to other content yeah I'm not even talking about augmented reality I'm just saying like the video that works on mobile that people will consume on mobile is a huge that's the pinnacle right now that's what everybody's trying to figure out and then augmented reality is a little bit farther like next and then 360 degree is a little bit next as far as DIYing it yeah alright did I what did I screw up did I screw anything up metal freak has appeared there is open-source software for it there is what the vahana thing I don't know we're about to find out that somebody mentioned something called vahana but I think that was $2,700 so yeah TV Z gone found a 360 degree camera adapter I think that's a single camera but still that that's really not a bad way to go as far as when you're talking about DIYing it where is where is TV Z gone today I gotta look that up there it's in the chat room back somewhere vahana is the stitching oh and people were asking in the chat room so we streamed on daily tech news show instead of ace detect on youtube today and is that going to be the case yes unless something in the next couple of days proves that to be a problem that is what we're going to continue to do so that we don't every time I have to go do something else have to switch back and forth the reason we don't use ace detect when I'm not here is it's tied to my actual Gmail account so it doesn't you know I can't I can't give that and it's to other people whereas the daily tech news show account just is the daily tech news show account so that's something we can we can have multiple people have access to anyway so that's that's where this will be and I'll put a note I'll make a little short video or something and put it up on the ace detect channel let people know that but yeah and better to have the pain now than when we actually reach our video level right well yeah I guess I mean there's always it's better to have the pain now than later yeah for sure we'll never reach the video level nine come on Tom that's how you make it happen you deny it we're still we're still reaching and we're reaching the level every day weird so let's see what else that's it I'm out of the post yeah anything else what's coming up next figuring out where the stop broadcast button is and then cord killers immediately following the Monday cast where everything goes wrong and X and Que me and no no no no no no no no no