 When you really want to get into doing something creative, you sort of step outside the academic definition of your profession, whatever it is, and you find sources that are... that can invade and make it more interesting. I love Duchamp, and that statement he made, well, I'm non-retinal. He didn't mean you couldn't see it. He just meant that he was rejecting a lot of the kind of tactile, painterly, you know, traditional qualities to associate with that profession. And so, over the years, we've done things that obviously abandoned what the formalist architect or the stylist architect would do. I think of all works of art I really love, that I really admire. And it's really kind of not so much what it is, but what it makes you think about. But I think it was Jean-Claude Coteau who said, well, when you first start out, they try to bury you by ignoring you and then you get a little foothold, and they try to bury you with criticism and then you get a little bit famous and they try to bury you by saying your old hat and it goes on and on. It says, finally, all else failing, they try to bury you with honors. So, there you have it, that phase here. They're trying to bury you one more time.