 particular phenomenon actually to this to this recent uprising that I haven't really seen before, which is the American police specifically targeting journalists. So on Friday show, we showed you the clip of the CNN reporter getting arrested live on air. That was particularly controversial because he was a black man, the reporter. But there have been many more instances since then of US law enforcement targeting journalists. So this is obviously not be happening. The point of freedom of the process that journalists are able to put themselves in situations where political conflict is going on and step aside from it to say we're one step removed. We're here to document it. You cannot one. We don't think you should be repressing protesters anyway. But there's a whole new level of outrage when it comes to the police actively repressing and suppressing the ability of journalists to cover these demonstrations. And this is happening over and over again. We're going to go through a few examples. There are many. So this is a WCCO reporter in Minneapolis who got arrested for doing his job whilst trying to cooperate with law enforcement. I'm just trying to find my producer. Get down. You're under arrest. What are we watching? Let's look at a vice reporter who identified himself as media and is told by the officer, I don't care. Okay. Thank you. So that was someone who made it very, very clear he was the press. He still got pepper sprayed in the eye on camera. Luckily. We can also look at MSNBC reporters. They came under fire from Minneapolis and Kentucky law enforcement. Step back. Get back. Get back. Get back. Your head. Your head. His head. Step back. Step back. I got it. I got it. I got it. Whoa. Watch it, guys. We got gas here. All right. Back up. Back up. Back up. Back up. All right. They are now moving toward us. They are now moving toward us. They are shooting, guys. Put your helmets on. All right. There has been no provocation, Joshua. There was nothing that happened whatsoever. The police pulled into this intersection, unprovoked right into the middle of the crowd. Split the crowd, started firing in both directions. They now have fired at us. Plenty of time here. Are you okay? I'm getting shot. I'm getting... Katie, are you okay? Rubber bullets. Rubber bullets. It's okay. It's those pepper bullets. It's those pepper bullets. Who are they aiming that at? Now they're shooting at us. Like directly at us. Directly. Why are they doing that? They're shooting at our crew. So in Minneapolis, they were reportedly shooting rubber bullets in Kentucky pepper bullets. So that's a sort of... I think it doesn't hurt that much to get hit with it, but it has the same effect as pepper spray. So it's got that chemical in which sort of irritates your eyes and throat. We've now got a CBS crew here who get shot by what they again think are rubber bullets. They aren't standing in a crowd. So this time, it really looks like they're being targeted intentionally. They're citing us in, dude. They received no verbal commands from police. This is what the CBS news crew said. They would have left if they'd been asked to. Police were aware the government has exempted or had exempted media from the curfew. We can also now look... I want to injure their sound engineer. Let's take a look at a BBC cameraman. Obviously, it's not just American journalists getting targeted. We can talk about the political implications of that in a moment. This is a BBC cameraman in Washington. A British photographer, Adam Gray, was arrested, had his mask removed, was placed in a large holding cell of 50 to 70 people with zero social distancing, held in custody for eight hours. So obviously, people talk about these protests, risking spreading coronavirus. It tends to be the police that push people together often in inside spaces that create the actual threat. Let's go to a quote from Gray. The whole time that I was being arrested, I said I was pressed. They just didn't seem to care. I get that in the heat of the moment, you might get pushed or grabbed. But as soon as you say that you're pressed, it normally stops there, but not this time. There are so many more interests of this. They're getting shared widely on Twitter. Journalists being targeted, they shouldn't be. This is the point of having a press card. There's normally signage that says you're pressed. The idea is that the police aren't supposed to target you. We're going to go to just one more example, which is probably the most egregious example of the police repressing journalists during this last round of uprisings. This is Linda Tirado. She is now, she's a photo journalist. She was out reporting on the protests. She is now permanently blinded in one eye after being hit by what she believes was a rubber bullet. That was again by Minneapolis police. Now, American police being racist, that's no surprise to any of us. I think one of the reasons why we're seeing more of it than we used to is because of video cameras, because there's CCTV everywhere and people are getting it on their phones. I think it was Will Smith who said, more people aren't getting shot and beat up by the police. It's just getting filmed now. But this seemingly intentional targeting of journalists seems new and surprising to me. I'm confused. What's going on? One, it seems completely stupid. If you are on one level fighting a PR war, as you were talking about when they try and castigate Mark Duggan as the biggest criminal in Europe when he was nothing of the sort, then you would expect police in this battle of hearts and minds to be particularly nice to the media, to treat them in an almost misleadingly pleasant way. Whereas now they are shooting at them, not with live rounds, but we can see from this person who's been blinded in one eye. That doesn't mean it's not dangerous. What's your analysis of what's going on here? It couldn't be further removed from the sort of embedded journalism that you would have seen in the early 2000s, which was purely about public relations. There was really no critical distance between the journalist and the police, or often it would be a military intervention overseas. From that perspective, I think you're right. It's quite counterproductive from the police's perspective. But I think it tells us a couple of things. The first is the stakes are really high here. Actually, this is an uprising. There are protests and this is a genuine threat to the present order of things in the United States. The police are behaving in ways which they normally wouldn't do. That's not to say they don't administer a great deal of violence every day of the week. They do, particularly against people of color, particularly against working class communities. But I think you're right to say this seems quite unique, the way they're dealing with MSNBC, CNN, Deutsche Welle. I mean, we didn't even show all of them. People are losing eyes and so on. And so I think it talks to the stakes. But then secondly, I think it also talks to the fact that you've seen a basic dissolution and the norms of what we would think considered democratic life in America. I'm the press and I do genuinely believe now that the police in the United States don't really care. They don't really think of any democratic norms or I have to treat this person in a particular way. I'm sure a certain percentage do. But I think when you tell police, and I'll be talking about this with a guest, Alex Fatale, tomorrow night on Navarra Media, I'll be interviewing him. He's got a great book on policing. When you tell the police that they are warriors, that they're the thin blue line between chaos and order. When you arm them like an occupying army, I think this is how they will inevitably behave. And it's not just towards protesters. It's not just towards working class communities, people of color. It's to everyone. And I do think that's ultimately going to work against them. I think it's going to really undermine any consent that the police have got the United States. You can't treat CNN. You can't arrest the CNN reporter. I mean, the establishment's meant to be there to have your back. It seems incredibly stupid. And I think it speaks to the extent of this crisis. This is very much an existential crisis for the American state.