 What the I think we actually started the video before the audio today just by a half second That was crazy It's a crazy day though. We had some some hangout issues if you use it hangouts in Chrome might want to switch this Fari that's what I found yep and Darren found that even when you try to get rid of that mic on a swing arm sometimes you still need the mic on a swing arm Yeah That's the show for today. Thanks everyone for watching Yeah, no, where's my El Nino? Your El Nino what reading an article that said Godzilla El Nino Reigns haven't forgotten us. They're just running And I'll win all goes north of LA like California is way wetter than LA That's normal though So Darren we are live Wonderful and my son is muted. So there we go Binging let's make a podcast When a microphone and a host know each other very well Darren you didn't have anything binging. Did you yes? That was me. I just made my phone. Okay, cool Although I I don't I don't like the insult that I use Bing Let me Bing and decide how to respond to that you were my toast obviously obviously Info seek man info seek forever Metacrawler dog pile I'll leave you to do it nor what was it northern? Northern lights. What was that one? I think those are cigarettes They probably were Northern exposure. No, it was a TV show. All right Hey So I am going to now Start a podcast Fantastic, let's do it gonna be called the daily tech news show. How often we gonna do it? Five days a week. So it's a really gonna be a lie because it won't actually be daily and It'll be about tech though And news but but the days that it does come out are in fact days, you know this week It will come out six days There you go. Yeah. All right. You ready? Do it Of course, of course, of course that wouldn't work because I didn't test it so All right, here we go ready Good day. This is the daily tech news show I'm American and this is my best attempt at an Australian accent If you'd like to hear a real Australian accent go to daily tech news show comm slash support and pledge an amount So Peter Wells can do a sixth day of DTNS shrimp on the back This is the daily tech news for Friday, February 12th, 2016. I'm Tom Merritt almost a hundred percent recovered from the flu and Baring no flu virus that I can tell mr. Daren kitchen founder of hack five dot org is joining us today So good to be here Tom I'm glad to hear that you're feeling a little bit better You take some Norton some some McAfee you some per ski up in there. Did you do clam? I understand your text message from earlier. Oh, yeah, I I'm a little fever Slow still from that. So so you're so you recommend that for for a virus. I see that makes sense Or you know just some just some rest and some OJ Good for virus friendly The the virus had physical access that's that's how I got infected all that well folks We're gonna talk a little bit about Viruses and how to protect yourself against them and how to stay encrypted in and whether I don't know the government Mandating a back door would be a good or a bad idea. You know, we think it's a bad idea I'm not gonna try to tease you that way, but there's that study from Bruce Schneier We mentioned yesterday that Darren and I are gonna look at in a little more detail later on let's start off Oh, first of all, if you're like wait, don't forget Len Len's not here today Very sad that I had to miss convey UX up in Seattle. I feel horrible about that Because of having a fever and being contagious and not wanting to infect a plain load of people And also feeling crappy But Len was there he he was there for all three days of convey UX and so he's on his way back from there right now And hence not able to be on the show, but we'll have Len next week. Let's start off with some headlines Runkeeper CEO and co-founder Jason Jacobs announced the fitness startup has been acquired by Japanese athletic equipment company ASICs Jason said the companies had Complementary goals would develop physical products with digital fitness tracking and the Runkeeper app and its development will continue And from the end user standpoint says Jacobs not much will change no details on the Ruminary aspects of the deal were revealed, but Nike makes Nike plus which is one of Runkeeper's biggest competitors So I guess that's the thing now every shoe company has its fitness app Maybe someday we'll think it's weird that fitness apps once used to make shoes Darren Yeah, I don't know actually to be honest the first time I heard this I thought what you meant was a 6 a si x I was like oh man was hoping they would get bought by real tech I guess everybody has to have the device that you must buy for New years for your pledge and your goal and then discard by What do we put in it at March dude? I use Runkeeper and Nike plus all year round. Oh wow I'm a data point of one but no It's for running enthusiasts, right? It's it's for people who are who are really into this and like to track it and and those they're both great apps I think I think I think we are seeing athletic shoe companies a little smarter in some ways the media companies avoiding the eventual, you know Downfall of the physical product. I mean someday I'm going to be able to 3d print a shoe But being able to say I also vend fitness services is a good diversification. No, no, it absolutely makes sense I was actually really surprised when recently at a penthouse with hack five We had some folks from Nike come and they were explaining to us that Nike's a technology company not a shoe company And I was like what you know, but that makes you know perfect sense of what you want to do with a you know with longevity So uh-huh granted if the Catholic Church were the wave of the future and not technology Sorry Catholic Church, then they would say we're a Catholic Church company not a you know I'm saying yeah, yeah No, I think you're right It's a little bit of a buzzword for every business to say we're actually a tech company even though we make steel girders But maybe the Catholic Church will start calling itself a tech company or a relevant I'm sorry that really sounded wrong, but I'm just saying they're jumping on the relevance bandwagon I don't know Pope Francis down there in Cuba doing some stuff making some history for you know first meeting in 1,100 years with a patriarch ain't bad AT&T announced Friday will begin testing 5g services this year in Developing its ability to one day carry the 5g standard services once there's an actual standard that's been voted on Verizon announced similar thing earlier this year They also say they're gonna use some components of what will probably eventually become 5g technology as a broadband Replacement service in rural areas by the end of the year So not just testing 5g, but also using some of that technology to provide some connectivity AT&T's chief strategy officer John Donovan told recode the company will do lab tests with Intel and Ericsson in the first half of the year followed by some field tests in Austin You know if I'm a cable company, this is some terrifying news I mean we've already seen enough reasons to cut the cord television wise But I already personally have friends who have cut the internet cord and gone just pure LTE from home And I'm just gonna say I predict that this is a trend that is going to continue as we see the continued Convergence of the smartphone as your you know main computing device and with the ability to Chromecast it and all of that stuff to your TV Is that there's like less and less reason to have some landline? I have been here that the preacher of the importance of a hardwired connection over the lagginess and Unpredictability of a wireless connection for years But as they get faster and more reliable Wireless connections are starting to begin to look like a value, you know a viable replacement For for landlines and it may be that landlines for connectivity become something that is not Necessary, maybe it's 6g before that actually becomes a truth, but yeah, don't get me wrong I mean you and me and the rest of the you know geek audience know that hardwire ethernet or a fiber line to your house is always going to be better than what's going through the airwaves, but That's not like the public like that the public idea that even Wi-Fi means the internet Yeah, so yeah, the only the most concerning thing actually here is the net neutrality implications if we do as a society move to more Mobile broadband based solutions for internet because as I recall there are some caveats there that aren't so friendly Yeah, though that are different open internet guidelines for wireless. That's true The Guardian reports Facebook India's managing director Krithga Reddy will step down from the post as managing director of Facebook in India after six years and is moving back to the US now That would probably not be that big of a deal if it weren't the same week that free basics by Facebook in India was declared to violate open Internet rules there and that neutrality rules there and a day after a huge blow-up or two days after a huge blow-up Started by Mark Andreessen Saying some not nice things about colonialism and India now she called the move a natural transition Said it has to do with her school-age children Facebook says the move was planned for some time and that she will continue to work at Facebook headquarters in Menlo Park, California So it she didn't have anything to do with free basics It doesn't sound like this has absolutely anything to do with what Andreessen said But it's causing so many headlines and so many people to take notice that it's it's worth investigating and taking a look at Netflix engineers posted Thursday that the company closed its last data center in January 2016 and has completed its cloud migration to AWS That's right Amazon Web Services now carries all your Netflix Well kind of Netflix began the migration of everything but video to the cloud in 2008 video is still delivered through Netflix open Connect which Netflix calls its content delivery network. I've been told by people who know that's not exactly a CDN But the video is still delivered through that system everything else the databases Transcoding things like that are happening on AWS now Yeah, no, this is awesome. Netflix is really the poster child of cloud computing in this regard You know as far as like a big, you know customer for AWS And I would argue that there's really not much computing when I think of it in the traditional sense I think more of transcoding is like I don't know just oxen kind of you know brute force data Freaking trail type of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but still I mean this is really cool Although I will say it's a little scary of a trend if you're in it I feel like long are the days long gone are the days of rolling your own infrastructure solutions, especially for SMB's I worked for a medium-sized business then I You know managed exchange and IIS and SharePoint and Apache peach tree, which I shuttered to think now But that was between 2001 and 2011 if I were to get that same job again today All of that sysadmin stuff would be in the cloud. So, yeah well, and the I guess if I were to try to find a silver lining for you there it would be that AWS is not the only game in town. It may be the most popular, but there is Azure There is Google. There is IBM. So it even if you're putting your data in someone else's hands You've got other hands to run to should you need to? Yeah, no, there's that and I'm sure their uptime would have been better than mine. Anyway, I mentioned it was IIS, right? Yes, you did Street map has lost its case against Google for anti competitive conduct in British court according to the UK Guardian online map service Street map had accused Google of unfairly promoting Google Maps over rivals In violation of Britain's Competition Act of 1998 the results they said was a dramatic loss of traffic Google put its own map in something that is called the one box You've seen it when you do a search and the little map shows up at the top of the year search results Justice Roth ruled that Google's 2007 introduction of Maps one box was quote not reasonably likely appreciably to affect competition in the market for online maps and Google's behavior was quote objectively Justified street map director Kate Sutton said they would appeal the judgment. I don't get this whatsoever I'm not a expert in UK law, but it kind of sounds like you know like Bing being like Why is it that when you Google you don't get Bing results, right? Like I mean of course It bears directly on the whole European antitrust suit that Google has been fighting Which Microsoft is kind of backing off of now But but has been accusing Google of just that saying like you have a 90% share of the marketplace And so when you favor your own products, it's an unfair competition Yeah, sure, but the it's not like the consumer didn't have a choice all along to use Bing or duck duck go or altavista You know and if they wanted to they could have gone to street map co.uk all together Which is by the way a really terrible map service I know because I had to Google it to even find this and by the way when I googled them I found open street map as the first result which by the way is an awesome alternative Project because they've got killer APIs and now I'm totally off the rails, but I digress what I mean is This is a pretty bit of that X service and I think the argument just as Well, whether you're someone in Europe who believes that a 90% market share is an effective loss of choice And therefore street map has a point or whether you're like Darren and you think that look it's Google's product They should be able to do what you want. It's it's frictionless for you to change to something else I think we can all agree that open street map is something you should check out because it's really good The Hollywood Reporter says it has learned that Apple's first scripted television series will start Dr. Dre who's also going to executive produce six half hour episode series will be called vital signs and Likely be distributed through Apple's music service Apple music That's why I called it Apple music because it's Apple's music service also castor Sam Rockwell and Mo McCray The director video director Paul Hunter He's a music video director is running the show and empires Robert Munich wrote the episodes all six up. Oh my gosh This is so great and and not even because of what it is But just because of my love for the internet and the mediums and the possibilities I mean here we are podcasting at which is a medium where anyone can create content and as we saw this from like you And I are from the get-go of podcasting when companies started to get into it like oh, they're doing thing but like this is such a good thing and not even just because it takes power from the establishment and Whether or not the establishment is corrupt and evil by nature is arguing for a different series But I just love how this fosters innovation in this medium And then it brings more creativity to life that may never have seen life And I'm also just very happy to hear him as Dr. Dre again because beats by Dre makes it seem like he lost his PhD Yeah, now he is the Dr. Dre and and and now the start of a TV show and a very Clever way for Apple to experiment with original television We heard a rumor recently that Apple might start making their own shows a la Netflix and sell them through iTunes Which I think could be a smart move for them But the better way to do it is take someone who is an employee who is a big name Do a six-part series put it through Apple music where you've put through video series before they were very much Documentary music series, but it's something likely to be worth your time Help promote Apple music and give you a little experience of what it what does it mean to produce an original series? So you can decide if you want to actually go forward with that in other arenas Yeah, and it blurs line like what's the difference between an original series from the likes of Apple or Netflix or a really good show on YouTube You know or original YouTube red content as it were so I just more original content Fantastic what's world needs more of creativity venture beat reports Facebook has confirmed its testing SMS support in Messenger as well as launching multiple account support for Android users This is Android only Android police spotted the new features Thursday SMS is being tested with a small number of US Android users, but multiple accounts have launched for Android users worldwide This is this is the kind of story that makes me feel like an old man. I still prefer SMS I still text message you Tom because it's an effective medium I and I also just don't get Facebook or Messenger. Do you use Facebook Messenger? I do very rarely because My my nephew uses it and when he is not in the US which happens a lot because he's engaged to an Australian He will he will that will be one of the only ways we can talk It's either Viper or Facebook Messenger But I don't use it outside of that and every once in a while somebody will message me there And I'll find it six days later and go. Oh, okay, then what's up with that? So apologies for that, but I know tons of people who do use it. Yeah, I wonder is this like in like a An avenue to get people that are using SMS to use a Facebook Messenger or just a like hey Now you don't have to leave the app kind of thing One of the things I've noticed when I switched to an Android phone from an iOS or vice versa is All my text messages don't know where to go Because you can integrate your Android text message with hangouts and you can integrate your I a OS text messages with I message And so it would be cool if somebody came along and said look doesn't matter what platform you're on you You want to get your text messages through Messenger? You can do it everywhere now This is Android only right now So this this isn't giving you that but Facebook Messenger could do this for all platforms and that that could be an elegant way To free us from caring about what OS we're running. No, no, I love this I was actually just down to Santa Monica for the pure mirror of pure onage Which is an amazing television series and when I saw that they're Canadians first thing that Jeff LaPair the director said was Oh, what's your WhatsApp? And I'm like what and so actually this conversation is bringing back a whole Concept that I thought we had left but we're revisiting everything happens before and everything will happen again So say we all if only the day will come where a well in some Messenger people Yeah, talk to those on yahoo messenger that can talk to those on MSN Which they I'm telling you the Jabber protocol you got to check it out. It's gonna change anything I'm using pigeon actually wasn't even called pigeon then yet. Yeah Let's let's get on to something even cooler Here researchers from the computer science departments at Cal Poly and North Carolina State Universities have analyzed nearly 1.4 million users of GitHub on a single day Granted April Fool's Day April 1st 2015 and the team found that 78.6% of poll requests made by women were accepted That is the code that they put in there was accepted compared to seventy four point six percent for men So more poll requests to prove for women than for men The team also looked at acceptance of code from contributors not well known in the github community So they said let's let's get rid of the people everybody like oh, I'm gonna accept their code I know who they are. Let's go for the outsiders among those outsiders women's acceptance rates were 71.8% when they used gender neutral profile So some username you couldn't tell what they were but dropped to 62.5% when their profile identified them as female what I thought this whole story was about how like, you know The gender bias has gone away and everything is better now Well, it's what it does say is when you don't know what the gender is turns out Women got their code accepted a little more often than men to be on yeah, I mean, you know their code is so clever WTF society. I'm just reminded of do you watch Silicon Valley? I'm reminded of Pauline's character I'm not a woman engineer. I'm an engineer. Yeah But but what this really does show is when some when the code when it is seen to have been off Authored by a particular gender the acceptance rate definitely has changed so It's an interesting study. I leave it to the audience to draw your own conclusions Do you have a watch? Yes, it's always paused your watch sucks not just because it's paused because it doesn't use a terbium ions Yeah physicists in Germany used a terbium ions to make an optical single ion clock That traps ions in a lattice of laser beams that allows oscillations to be counted accurately over a pit of sharks Okay, the pit of sharks may not have been involved The clock would not lose or gain a second over several billion years measurement of uncertainty of 3e18 that's a hundred times more accurate than the old-fashioned cesium clocks that your grandpa uses Time to redefine the standard international unit of time. Don't you think? Yes, it's it's high time in fact Seconds past time No, this is so we have we have like the most Accurate clock ever made now and they really are considering redefining the standard international unit of time which is a second In terms of these these kind of ion clocks versus the cesium clocks It's currently defined as cesium clock But the cesium clocks are way less accurate than most of these single ion clocks Well, let's just I mean the beautiful thing here is all we have to do is update ntp And all of our computers will get you know time automatically exactly then we'll all be just as accurate Of course, you're google in which case you don't leap second you Reap The uk investigatory powers tribunal declared that gchq is not In violation of the law for its persistent surveillance actions privacy international had alleged that gchq violated warrant protections Based on stoden revelations that the agency engaged in computer network exploitation in other words attacking cell phones and laptops During the case gchq admitted to using persistent monitoring software But the court ruled that due to the current terrorist threat thematic warrants Quote unquote against broad classes of people with an open time frame more sufficient Are you trying to insinuate tom that somehow the government is claiming that a government agency didn't break government laws? I didn't say nothing. This is shocking You can't prove it. I'm coming not computer network Exploit my phone while I said it. Yeah Uh, no, this is basically, uh, well, I mean you can take that attitude of like well as government keeping silent government It's okay, but courts have Actually worked as a check on government power even in the uk Uh, and this is a disappointment for people that you couldn't get the court to back off And it's because the court says no the the court's basically saying no we we are in a different time Well, those 18th century ideas and fears about general warrants they they actually wrote this those 18th century ideas about general warrants are outdated You see they could have at least you know like given some sort of concession about privacy some sort of like statement That means nothing of course legally, but like just acknowledging it But instead it's like no we live in an age of terrorism. Yeah fear fear It's pretty much what they did Uh, and finally the uk's newspaper the independent I I don't mean to apply. It's the only newspaper I mean it's a newspaper from the uk uh the independent Confirm today that it will no longer be a newspaper actually it'll stop printing editions and become digital only last print editions will hit newsstands march 26th I believe the last sunday edition will be march 20th Newspapers are gone vinyl is back in trend. I don't know what's going on anymore. What do you think newspapers become hip again? I i'm going to give it 10 years and then newspapers will be the new hipster hotness is like delivered to your door in a little baggy thing It's going to be fantastic. Yeah, that's probably already happening in williamsburg Uh, but this is in fact the first uh of the big uk newspapers to go digital only so it's it's Tom we call them zines in williamsburg That's right. I'm sorry your zine will be delivered in a nice little yellow plastic bag Hey, thanks to everybody who submits stories on our subreddit keep it coming daily tech news show dot reddit dot com It definitely helps us put the stories together every single day and we appreciate it greatly. That's a look at the headlines So Here's the setup There's the uk investigatory powers bill. Uh, that's the bill that Depending on who you ask in some way or method would require companies to provide unencrypted communications to law enforcement Now some say that doesn't mean having a key. Some say it does. It's vague enough to be not matter really what it says It's vague enough that it's going to cause unrest Then you have state bills here in the united states california and new york that want to prohibit the sale of devices that cannot be decrypted By a manufacturer you've got a federal bill being proposed to ban those kinds of bills saying no You shouldn't be allowed to sell to require manufacturers to put a back door Back in july of last year There was a paper published called keys under door mats That compared these kinds of calls for backdoors To the fight over the clipper chip which started back in 1993 The nsa wanted to have access To keys in escrow for all chips made for computers If you remember that fight that was that was a pretty nasty fight that the nsa lost The fbi back then was saying all the same things it's saying now It said we'll go dark by the year 2000 We won't be able to keep an eye on any kind of of criminal activity Which of course ended up not being true. They they have plenty of ways to keep an eye on criminal activity They determined in keys under door mats again that was published back in july That backdoors would prevent things like forward secrecy. So it weakened secrecy altogether It would increase system complexity and it would provide a single target for bad actors And said this is a bad idea and it was signed by luminaries people like diffie of diffie helman rivest of rsa and bruce schneyer Who are we going to talk about here in a second? Bruce schneyer is one of the authors on a worldwide survey of encryption products along with kathleen sidel and serania Vijaya kumar that was done for the berkman center. Now. Here's what they did And we talked about this a bit yesterday in the headlines They did a survey of okay. What encryption products are out there? Where are they located and what would happen if a backdoor was put into one region? So the united states for instance 865 hardware and software crypto products available in 55 countries now. They don't claim. That's the exhaustive list They say that's the minimum bound. They were able to do a pretty thorough search and they found this many There's definitely more They said about two-thirds of those 546 63 percent were made outside the united states 112 in germany 20 in the netherlands Those are both countries that have disavowed backdoors They said our countries would never put a backdoor and never say never But those are countries that are going against it versus the us in the uk which are trying to fight for it And they said that looking at the encryption products in general non us encryption was generally as strong as us encryption There wasn't like a loss in quality when you went outside the us. So here's the conclusion Any mandatory backdoor will be ineffective simply because the marketplace is so international Yes, it will catch criminals who are too stupid to realize that their security products have been backdoored Or too lazy to switch to an alternative But those criminals are likely to make all sorts of mistakes in their security and be catchable anyway The smart criminals that any mandatory backdoors are supposed to catch terrorists organized crime and so on Will easily be able to evade those backdoors Darren they just go buy something that was made somewhere else and now you're only punishing the honest Well, see this is the security researchers say using Uh, something that the governments understand back to them, which is The concept of economics, right? It's like if you can't buy it here, you just buy it there Uh, but ultimately what we're talking about is the fact that the cat is out of the bag and you can't undo this It's math. We're talking about Uh, I remember buzz out loud. You guys had death watch on palm. Was it and many others? I mean I feel like we need a war on math sounder as this will continue to be the bit debate because so say we all While this has happened before with the crypto wars. The difference there Was that those in you know, like fighting to keep cryptography? Uh, we're also using the carrot Approach which was hey, this is going to again Speaking to what governments understand it's going to foster commerce And it's the reason why we have things like https and why we can buy things on stores like amazon and so Now it's like all over again, but the difference here is it's not just tinfoil hat people and uh, and uh and Crypto pioneers that want to keep this it's it's usable by everybody Here and now and then the thing is that this isn't like traditional stuff that you can control This isn't gun control. You can't just you know do in australia and get all the guns back and destroy them You know, it's concept control and i'm sorry, but the cat's already out of the bag Yeah, I think that's something that is lost in a lot of internet conversations. It's not only this one But we're not talking about a thing We're not talking about encryption as like a little device that you clip on And it's like we'll just ban that device, you know, or we'll only make the devices with a key Uh, it's math and so as soon as you as soon as you go and you say look united states You've gotten all 865 hardware and software products to agree to put your back door in I mean that is not going to happen. Let's say it did You'd have brand new products created the next day using math to encrypt things now granted real good strong encryption is hard That's why people like rivest and diffie Are are rightly lauded as having made great advancements But once those encryption schemes are out there and the math is known, it's not hard to implement them It's not impossible to find coders who can make Good encryption schemes. It's not nuclear science. It's not astrophysics And and there are plenty of places that people can go now Granted you can say well, but we're going to catch a lot of people if we have apple put a back door in for us You know a trustworthy back door that's that's that's monitored by a third party can only be used with a warrant Which by the way, the united states isn't necessarily saying it's going to be used with a warrant Uh, I and and the fact the matter is you will then degrade apple sales Lots of people will not want to buy apple both in the united states and out Because they'll say yeah, that's that's got a single point of failure right there. I don't want that Yeah, and you know, I really want to say that those in law enforcement have good intentions of catching bad guys And I don't want to thwart that but it should be and it's not like a this is not an argument Uh, this is just fact. You cannot win this game of whack-a-mole and ultimately this only hurts citizens Uh and like for example the investigatory powers bill which proposes banning Perfect encryption where companies like apple or google can't even Know what you're storing on their services and and and using their devices for and things of that nature That does that's those are just companies right how take that same thing and then pivot it to now talking about a Decentralized open source project. Where do you go? You can't win this? This is not something that you can just oh well We got 90 percent on the market share. Well, guess what that market share now leaves those companies Which are probably providing jobs for your citizens and then we all leave facebook and go on crypto book or whatever it is That's a decentralized and maybe i'm being a little bit wishful thinking here, but uh, you know if if to use jim cooper's statement He's a california assembly member in regards to this kind of stuff He's one of the law enforcement people who you know wants to do good But his quote is human trafficking trumps privacy No ifs ands or buts about it and and to which I say Privacy trumps all of that. I'm so sorry. It just does Yeah, I mean the argument that My good cause trumps your privacy is always fraught with problems And that goes beyond technology and that's that's about the balance between you know privacy and security Human trafficking is awful. Let's stop it Does that mean that we should allow everyone to allow a cop to investigate their home at any time just in case they're human trafficking going No, it does not mean that it also doesn't mean that we should weaken the encryption on everyone Making everybody's devices less secure in an already insecure enough environment Because it has a less than point zero one percent chance of assisting in a case somewhere Okay, so similar to it where the problem is never the technology. It's always the l users Human trafficking the problem is the humans not the technology So yes, I'm not saying it's that's not a good cause but you're not going to solve it Going after the technology and you know if you remove the technology from the equation Tom what we're talking about here is what if I tell you a secret in person? We don't use any technology Did we not oh no, we didn't use a third party? That the government can hold that secret just in case they ever with a secret Government court order need to look at because we did it technology agnostic. What yeah, no, this is exactly This is almost like saying anytime you talk to someone from now on Yet you have to talk through this little tube Okay, it's and and we won't listen to the tube But the tube is listenable and if we need to listen to the tube we can just for the bad guys But all conversations need to happen through the tube now Well, you know or or if we remove the tube from the situation this could create jobs because think of all the Signographers that could just follow everyone around Creating a record of this if the jobs program for sure Anyway that we have we've heard from several law enforcement Professionals who say yeah, you don't want to there's a there's a line You should be able to have you should have to have a warrant You know, there's there's a comment on the stingray Thing today on our subreddit which is saying look you guys you got to have a warrant to go after people You can't just randomly surveil everything hoping to get a lead That is not to minimize how difficult the jobs of law enforcement are and we don't want to make The jobs of law enforcement more difficult than they need to be but it is a balance No, I have friends who do this who you know catch bad people doing bad things and come up against this all the time And I get that I sympathize with that But you know, I find that that a right to privacy is paramount to the freedom of expression, which is a fundamental human right Well, and you may or may not agree with us So let us know feedback at daily tech news show dot com our pick of the day comes from gary the senior geek Who wrote in with his pick being credit unions? He says a long time ago in the early 70s after being majorly screwed by a bank He actually said watch bank and I was like, well, it's not name the bank right now He joined a federal credit union. He said on our last refi We went through the connector credit union and to our astonishment. They did not sell the loan to anyone It's still on our statement and we can easily make payments directly from our household checking account You can find a credit union you qualify for I strongly recommend you open an account there and extend whatever finger You like towards your previous financial institution uh gary's The long he's the one that you've been writing in about the bluetooth headphones as well And I 100% agree with them credit unions by and large are going to treat you much better Then banks are going to because you are in their interest you own Their bank you you are part of that bank because you put money there whereas large financial institutions Are are owned by stockholders and they serve the stockholders interest, which is fine It could be good for for big companies there Darren, I don't know if you care about credit unions when I do but I don't qualify and that's the thing is So it's kind of like I hear what do you mean you don't qualify Well, I mean shannon's always telling me about how great they are But she she's in one because of her dad was military or something like that Maybe I do and that's a common myth. I'm glad you mentioned that Most credit unions in your region Uh can now take you as a member because you are in that region. Oh I I'm yeah, because my first thought was like how awesome would it be a you know? Decentralized open source, but oh i'm describing bitcoin never mind I was i'm a member of a credit union started for teachers Uh, but because I live in the school district. I qualify For the credit union. Okay, cool. Well, thank you tom. Thank you tx jeb I'm I'll look into this because there are quite a few banks for whom I would like to bite my thumb at Send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks Uh some emails before we get out of here saskatoon operations engineer scott aka tv enterprises Said the feedback about sensors in automated systems and the subsequent conversation was excellent There are so many automated systems around that have the potential to cause serious harm to you It's in the programming of those systems to prevent something bad from ever happening Perfect example being our water supply. I live in a city of 250 000 people Our city's water treatment plant is staffed 24 7 But millions of people live with clean water from facilities that are not staffed all the time Some only have mechanical safeguards, but many newer ones have control systems and things like sensor failures will shut down those systems as a precaution Instead of just simply continuing to run This programming is what makes things like stux net so scary in the world of controls a virus that could infiltrate a scotta system And hijack the system so that all of your remote monitoring is reporting correctly while the wrong thing is happening That's frightening if these cars are communicating their security Will be more crucial to their safe operation than what might happen when a sensor fails Right and what that demonstrates is the fundamental element of any hack Which is a lie, you know in this case the system lying to the human about what it's actually doing And jay wrote in to point out that the problem with the self-driving train that crashed because of a sensor failure Is that it was more like a human than a self-driving vehicle Its knowledge and experiences were entirely self-contained and unique to it It wasn't able to formulate a plan for handling a failing sensor because it had no well of knowledge from which to draw Whereas self-driving cars are based on machine learning and adaptable to their surroundings. That's a good point jay Yeah, you're gonna get that borg hive mind thing going. Yeah Uh and then finally david toms wanted to let us know about a project. He's working on next week He's filming an attempt to be the first multi rotor drone to cross the english channel The drone named enduro has been developed by a company in the uk called ocu air They'll set off by boat to france an attempt to make the return journey while tailing the drone at 30 knots The drone will be set to follow waypoints But will remain in the operator's control for the duration of the 30 ish mile journey Purpose of the attempt is a proof of concept as many in the industry look to utilize drones for day to day use I'm looking forward to covering it with my team of camera operators And we'll happily send you the link when it's completed to a recap of what happened We also aimed to complete a documentary about it later this year. So there you go That's pretty cool He wanted to send this along as he knows the drones get covered on the show You can keep up to date on the twitter side with him at david toms and for details of the attempt itself at ocu air This is an awesome feat of engineering and a great demonstration of how long how far we have come with With quote-unquote drones and endurance, and it just makes me so happy that a Nation with sensible drone regulations might be able to achieve this I'm not of course talking about the united states because we don't have those but you know go europe Yeah, well, we'll see uk might allow this will france. I don't know Oh, that's that's that's a really interesting concept. Let me fly my quadcopter Over into canada and see how that goes. This is how it goes. Yeah, you let me know how that happens when you get out Thank you everybody for watching. Thank you darin kitchen. We miss len peralta We are sad that we are not going to have any len peralta art this week because he was in cave ux We were supposed to have art from him because of wednesday's show, but that's all on the flu virus I blame it darin kitchen You are here and we appreciate it h a k 5 dot o r g Thank you len uh len couldn't be here, uh, but i i thought i would maybe do a drawing. I know that jenny might have but uh But it's a drawing actually robot. Yeah, i drew that it's a stick figure behind bars And the caption says the irony is that i'm here for jail breaking my iphone We were talking about in jail. Yeah, yeah, he he went to new jersey to buy the iphone that does encryption and then Routed it. Yeah Not good. Not good. Yeah, people going over the border to jersey to buy encrypted iphone. Yeah, like a big thing cheap booze That's fantastic. Uh, if you want more good hackery More threat wire more tech things I'm trying to think of other Metasploits in minutes. Yeah. Yeah, we did a metasploit. Well, there's another Metasploit minute series coming up. Mobics will be here Um in march and we're doing another series of that very exciting as well as let's code which is uh Sebastian of the wi-fi pineapple and myself delving into coding for it, which is all sorts of good stuff with um angular and php and Just good stuff. It's really fun. Um, so yeah, just h a k 5 dot o r g check it out Thanks to all of our patreons at daily tech news show dot com slash support You are going to get an episode of daily tech news show on sunday unless you're in australia You'll get it on monday, but wherever you are. That's a day. You usually don't get an episode from us Peter wells will be doing that episode. Thanks to you. Uh, we we're gonna get two of his episodes this month Not all four until we get all the way to the milestone goal But he wanted to kind of give you an idea of like here's what I want to do every week for you So check that out. It's going to be in the feed And big thanks to everybody who helped us out with that patreon.com slash d tns I mean also this week. We've got a guest post from brian henry Assistant professor of finance at benedictine college on self-driving cars. We've got the amazing awesome entertaining and hilarious weekly tech views from Mike range that's coming up on the blog tomorrow Let's keep your eye on daily tech news show dot com over the weekend the hits will keep on coming Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can give us a call 51259 daily. That's 51259 32459 catch the show live monday through friday 4 30 p.m Eastern at alphageek radio dot com and diamond club dot tv and visit our website daily tech news show dot com Back on sunday with peter wells monday headlines only and back with regular shows on tuesday This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this bro Boom good show. Yes. I like your drawing. Oh, thank you. I mean, you know, honestly, I was like, oh Jenny's gonna do one Not that I was awesome today Thank you Text jeb this is for you What should we call this show the oxen of the cloud Oh It's so poetic it is Yeah, I love it. That's it Oh, I haven't even seen the other ones. But yeah, I do like although for some reason I hear it and I'm just like reminded of Of organ trail Oh, yeah, totally me too. Yeah, and then like dysentery comes to mind That is that is a game that popularized to dysentery. You know that right? Yeah Dysentery was never as popular as it was before organ trail Before then people just suffered with I was a big dysentery fan before organ trail. Oh, you hipster He had all the cool illnesses Yeah Had a consumption Now I wish crypto book becomes a thing Crypto book. Well, here's the thing, right? There are distributed decentralized social networks that are based on strong cryptography But they're so Tinfoil hat esoteric that no one uses them. It's just a matter of time before Someone decides to develop an app that they can find a way to put advertising in and make this a thing Yeah, because money because market I don't even know what that's from it's fun to be living in this time where you can see like, you know, uh Governments having little title tantrums like their children who just don't understand the way the world works Oh, yeah, that's been going on for years The question is though because sometimes what happens is The powers whether their governments or corporations Change the game Let's just make it illegal to use math Yeah I'm not sure about the math one. I think that just you know That's a bit of a losing battle. Uh, but but there are other things Hmm Well, yes We'll just make all encryption illegal and then when we do catch those human traffickers and their phones are Ah, damn it. Their phones will be encrypted. Won't they? Yeah, I guess they won't crap really, but it's illegal So hang on criminals following the law Um, uh going but to a lighter subject, um Dr. Dre he is he's so he's back to being dr. Dre because I keep hearing beats by Dre It was always just the was just the name of the products. That was never his name Ah, because because uh, Seb and I were having this discussion as we were listening to all of the classics, uh in la um and And it just seemed like did he I thought that maybe he lost his degree in doctorology His degree in rapology Um No, no, he's always been well. I think he started going by just Dre But I you're asking the wrong person on the the intricacies of the history, but he's he's still dr. Dre Mm-hmm. No, that's good. That's good because you know, you know, whatever element you got You got a doctor there for you Did you see straight out of Compton? No, I did not so So good, okay And and maybe part of it is tied up in the fact that I was a freshman in college When nwa hit I remember I remember listening to easy e first And I would I would go down to tim and is mitz room This is like how burned it is like I remember I don't even I never kept in touch with these guys But tim and is mit uh had all the nwa easy e cassettes So I would dub my cassettes from them and go listen and I was like this is amazing Like nobody's doing you didn't just torn the cassette Yeah, you couldn't tour it back then The the internet existed at the University of Illinois, but I had to go down To the computer lab to use it. You had to go for it. Yeah. Yeah, and then I could use gopher or archie Okay Yeah, see I I was late to the party and only actually discovered it Uh Hack across America the first time I I did 5000 miles across the u.s. On motorcycle uh over six weeks and That was like a mainstay So it means a lot to me now because yeah Certain songs and I think about like, you know crossing the gateway arch into Missouri and things of that nature Well, then you're definitely gonna like this movie because to me it was like wow just telling the story And you know, I mean it's a movie. It's not documentary But giving you an idea of like what the what their lives were like as these things were happening I don't know. I found it real. I found it really good. Nice Oh man Easy. I cannot I need to meet up with peter wells in australia When are you gonna team up with peter wells in australia? I just need to I'm gonna be there in may Oh shoot. Yeah, you can be his guest Say again, you can be his guest. I know that's what I'm saying. I need to yeah for sure I don't know if you guys are doing guests on the sunday program. Yeah, he is have to wake up at um He's in charge sleepy o'clock, but anyway Yeah, he's doing guests Oh, man, both rogers I'm not sure which one Roger. I like So many rogers one really has an itch I'm itching for some Roger Roger what you have to do now is actually here am I am I doing the roger or in my backwards? Well, you're you're complimentary your yeah, you're bookending roger. You got to do the roger Well now roger is bookending himself. Yeah, it's a set a match set It's just a weird Weird day for chrome and hangouts I blame cashing I blame walnuts Doesn't google have enough cash cash use No I was making a joke apple has all the cash. Oh, right. Yeah Oh, everybody should I would say go see piranhas, but I guess I just realized as I was saying that it's not out yet But I still think they have a Oh, wait, you can't so here's the funny thing is like they're having like real problems in that This is a web series if you've never heard of piranhas It's a mockumentary about the life of a pro gamer in canada who's hilarious and it went on for I mean it's been over 10 years, but it started in like 2004 And like we're talking mega numbers for a podcast like millions of viewers They would sell out like whenever they would do a An episode release would be like every couple of months and they would just like sell out the blur street theater in Toronto with like a line around the block to get in just to see this episode And they did, you know two seasons of that they did a web series or they took the web series to real television And then now they just did a indigo goad movie But the problem that they're facing is since they were born in an era before social media They don't have that push connection to their fans and they have to like Hire sky riders over cities or some way to like the word out there like hey, there's a movie now Remember that series you liked it's back. There's a movie writers. That's awesome. Yeah Like my space was the thing when they were you know in their heyday, so The owner of my space just got sold Oh, no, wait, Justin Timberlake sold it. No, it wasn't timberlake. He's still part of viant They got they got sold to who? Viant was the company that owned them, right? So who was it that bought my space? Well, you know apple's got a bunch of cash. They should just buy him Let's see. I shouldn't have said anything without knowing what the hell i'm talking about Um, that's funny. I was looking at time time ink bot as we were talking about the other thing Time ink time time magazine bought my space What? Yes, that's why I had to repeat it different kinds of incongruous So basically it's it's not because what happened is time which is Which owns a lot of data properties for advertising in addition to its publications is buying viant Which owns a lot of data technology and analysis And so they're going to combine those things together But viant owns my space and time owns magazines So you also have those two things coming you see time isn't a magazine company. They're a technology company I mean, they're really a dimension But they're they're based on the new cesium or or whatever that How are we going to measure this acquisition? Well, we could we could we could measure it in the castle run. That's how we would measure it In par sex. Yes in par sex. I mean that's how you measure castle runs Brilliant 12 There was 12 actually is less than 12, but maybe that was bragging and maybe we just got the true number Asics didn't get bought. I could have sworn a six got bought ASIX. Yeah, ASIX. I use their chips. They're fantastic They saw the revenues jumped 59 percent In 2006 after signing a deal they were well, they signed a deal with nintendo for the console After sales of the pineapple Uh, yeah, well the funny thing is we diversify it's in the nano, but we use a real tech in the tetra So oh Both of which have awesome FCC IDs what you're in the FCC database Congrats. Thank you It's just a lot of waiting Yeah So now we've got to figure out what we're going to do for the official now we've soft launched We've been selling them, but now we've got to figure out how we do the official pineapple launch and i'm thinking big island There's lots of pineapples there Um, not really Not really Oh, wait, which one's the pineapple island then none of them actually called pineapple island though And didn't jeff bezos buy it if you want to go to a dull like a former dull cannery They have those on lahaina in maui and in hanalulu Oh, uh leone. Lonnie. Is that how you pronounce it? It's known it's known as pineapple island Yes L a n a i Lanai lanai. Sorry. I can't pronounce anything. Oh, it's larry ellison that bought it Yeah, yeah, but they don't really grow pineapples on hawaii anymore No, but think of the oracle farm Of servers. Yeah, no for many reasons you should go to lanai. It's also gorgeous apparently. I've never been there So wait a second. Are you telling me that there's no pineapples in hawaii? They import them Well, I know I sell to them. I'm just asking if they grow there Uh, no, I know places. Yeah, I think they still gross a few but the the big Plantations that dole used to have are gone. They don't they don't grow them as a cash crop anymore Because it's cheaper to grow in southeast asia and central america Pineapples aren't even indigenous to hawaii. They were brought there Well, americans aren't even indigenous to north america Except for those that were And they are So technically, I mean, you know what really sprung out of the ground they traveled from somewhere You go far back and I traveled through time roger Well, they traveled time by traveling through space Space and time simultaneously roger Can't have one without the other You can't have one without the other Yeah, sing it ellie You you explain space time ellie knows way more about this than any of us I really just want to kick off for the rest of the day and watch tng Any episode involving time and space? I've been watching voyager while I was sick actually. Oh, that's a great way to get better. Yeah Get me off of this ship Please I love voyager You know voyager god I liked voyager after the second season like when the plot started one of the best lines about time travel And all of star trek comes from jane way and the future's end Where's the last episode? I hate time travel The past becomes the future of the future becomes the past it just makes my head hurt Was it that was the second or the last or the last episode? No, this is like season three episode eight I like I like the I like the what well, I don't it's a spoiler, but you haven't seen it tough Uh, wow, wow bold words from roger. Yes If you haven't seen this 15 years It's where she goes back in time to save herself and the crew It's yours like, you know to the hell with the proud director. I'm getting you guys. Oh, I love that When reality smacks Smacks idealism in the face The five across the eye I'm actually really looking forward to brian fuller's star trek. I can't wait to hear because he has So many crazy things about what he would like to do that I know when he's actually Put to the wall and like, okay, you have to come up with a product that is going to be successful He's going to come up with something pretty amazing You have to backtrack real quick because I've been under a rock what So you didn't you did know that cbs is bringing star trek back in 2017 as part of cbs all access You didn't know that okay. No that you should know under a rock So no, but this has been news for It's not tech news. Yeah, I think we talked about it off of dts I missed that episode Okay, that's fine. So yeah, so but it's going to be digital Streaming like they'll air the first episode on cbs, but the rest of the episodes will be on cbs. I'll access To which matt said what we need another thing to sign up for And then yeah news this week spending a hundred bucks a month on cable Spend a hundred bucks a month in aggregate on hulu netflix cbs hgo Okay, we can have this argument again But let me get to the other news for for darrett. Yes, which is that brian fuller The guy who did Hannibal used to write for voyager in deep space nine And is on board to do the american gods mini series Is in fact the guy run going to run the new star trek episode seriously Where's he gonna find the time to do it? Well good american gods is just mini series. So I assume that's why he's able I I have an idea for the new show, but he won't listen to it. I'm sure I want to do star trek crossover like star trek privateers Where it's basically pirates Like you focus pirates within that same universe And the the whole idea of course is that Because of political reasons and the and the the political costs involved You know They have to do these things kind of outside outside of legal and ethical, you know normal channels And they just basically go through and you know have a swashbuck swashbuckling adventure Through space captain Kirk. Yes, but more more swash and less buckle Hmm like like none of none of the really kind of ossified niceties that everyone was you know, this is the thing that bug me. I've voyager in the For the longest time was like ginways insistence on following the prime directive Sorry If I'm following the prime directive and it's like yeah, I get it But like you guys are stranded out in some, you know boonies section of the galaxy Right. You're you're in international waters as it were If we don't keep our principles here roger, then what were our principles really? Well, you know at the end of the series she kind of does that anyway So you know what in the end reality try it with a real politic Politique triumphs over over Or when the for rengi have the replicator interacting like gods They just they find a like little loophole that they can crawl through to interfere in that planet's The for rengi don't have the prime directive exactly That was the point that juvach made was if for rengi who don't have the prime directive or interfering in this planet's Natural development it's outside of the federation's control and therefore we should leave it alone I just say the federation has no Legal jurisdiction out that far so tough It's not about but so you're you're saying you only follow rules if you're made to Yeah You know 80 percent of people who follow the rules would probably say that Well, yeah, when I when I go to europe, I only follow american rules obviously I know that's why you keep ending up in prison Yeah, you know what it's it's fun to do you have mugshots in 12 different countries All right, this is why the prime directive of banning encryption is just not going to work because people will just use it anyway Exactly in time travel Makes my head hurt There's coffee in that nebula another great chain my quote. All right. Thanks everybody for watching. We'll see you tomorrow