 Well hello Clinton! Zoey, Ernesto, everybody's piling in! The doors are open. Folks are grabbing their drinks, their snacks, getting into the theater. And you know this, this music always reminds me of Silent Hill. Really? Oh yeah, the second one. Yeah. You know it'll be fun. I'm gonna go to the movie theater tomorrow. Are you? I am plot twist. There's no movie Yeah, I'm just gonna hang out outside. What are you what are you gonna see? Sasquatch Sunset Yes Not only because it's supposed to be extremely weird and I like a weird movie Although Ari Aster is But Heather Frank it was on the production team Yeah, yeah, yeah, nice. That's great. Yeah, so she's she's in town and it's opening weekend. So we're gonna go You know what I just thought would be fun is if you had variations on this kind of backup thing, but for like holidays Put some sleigh bells in it or some screams. Yeah Screams or bunny how deranged are your Christmases? No for Halloween the screams would be fine. All right. Yeah I didn't make that clear. Yeah, so whoever made this theme The sleigh bells of Raleigh screams of her I suppose you can have a different type of sleigh Bell. Yeah, we're like SL a y bells. Yeah Yeah, I don't know what the Easter sounds of stopping. Just yeah, just bunnies ASM all bunnies Pastel Happen colors big red out loud. I think sped up. Maybe I don't know. Yeah bunnies that bunny voice Chipmunks or something. I'm I'm headed to teeth and Nenets tomorrow For because one of the islands cousins is in town I Saw that on our DT and S calendar After like what am I supposed like Something and bring Yeah, Saturday, what are we doing Tom's gonna get some good Filipino food? Yeah. Yeah Mmm No, just homemade that's very different We're probably end up at a restaurant watch Are there let me ask you this Lynn. Are there any Filipino restaurants out your way? Yeah, there's two actually Like are they frequented by Filipinos or is it more of a well? I've been I've only been to them once each But there's a Filipino food truck and that there was also a brick and mortar. Okay called What was it called the jeepney? No, it's it's called. It's the place is called Perylia Give them a little plug Olmstead Falls, Ohio And then the other one's called Tita floor is Yeah, that's they're both very very good And Yeah, we just you know, it's like a special one minute go that hit and record Do you have maxes out there or barrio fiesta? No, we don't have jolly bees Do you have oh wait? Yeah? Do you have a Goldilocks or is that a barrier? Do you have three bears? That's not a Filipino orange, but do you Have Bears Trace Osos Although I know I've met Quite a few dogs named Osos, so I guess that's who's so me trace. Oh, hoes Have a good show everybody Good day internet. Good day internet Good day internet Good day internet I never know You're like should I just go should I wait? Roger just likes to you know, see it's like a personality test He doesn't tell anyone what order to go in to see see what happens if I was younger I probably would have jumped in and assumed I should introduce myself My young the assumption of youth. I think I was just cocky when I was young presumptive. Yeah, I could see that Well, I say we do the orderly daily tech news show. What do you what do you say? I don't really care what you say. We're going to do it. So I don't know why I I'm glad you like it though. Here we go in three two Daily tech news show is made possible by you the listener. Thanks to all of you including Scott Hepburn Jeff Wilkes, Paley Glendale and brand new patrons Fox Free Jack and Chris Welcome On this episode of DTNS why Netflix should hide its subscriber numbers Nate Lanks and helps us understand why the EU might require Facebook to give away its service with lower value ads and should we just stop calling people users? Unless they're you know using This is the Daily Tech News for Friday April 19th 2024 when in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt when I'm at Studio Animal House, which I am I'm Sarah Lane drawing the top tech stories in Cleveland. I'm grandpa Len Peralta and I'm the show's producer Roger Chang joining us Bloomberg's tech editor and host of the text message podcast Nate Lanks and welcome Hello, thanks for having me back on a Friday of all days. Yes indeed. That means for a good day internet You get to stick around for the quiz. I'm very excited. Yes, and let's also welcome Len's Grand daughter Grand daughter. Yeah, welcome baby Evie Evie baby Evie Welcome, baby Evie. Do you feel old? I always feel old. Yeah, do you do you don't feel any older than usual? Yeah, okay Well, then let's start with the quick hits China doesn't allow app store operators to carry certain apps that it determines violates Chinese law For example, Facebook is inaccessible in the country the cyberspace administration of China has now issued orders against several messaging apps requiring app store operators like Apple to remove WhatsApp telegram and signal from their app stores over national security concerns The order has also asked app stores to remove the threads micro blog service I mean took them this long to remove threads. It kind of surprises me The US bill that would force bite dance to sell the US version of tiktok or order its Distributions stopped in the US is gaining a second win that bill was previously passed in the house But the Senate did not take it up a second version of the bill will most likely be voted on Saturday with two changes one There's a longer period for bite dance to sell it after the bill becomes law nine months instead of six months With an option for the president to extend it another three months So you'll see it referred to as a 12 month period and it's now packaged in with sanctions on Iran and Russia So you have to vote for all of it together. Yes or no Additionally, US senator Maria Cantwell has said she now fully supports the bill with these changes She was skeptical before that makes it possible It might actually get through the Commerce Committee that she chairs and possibly get full Senate approval sometime next week If all of that happens and it passes and becomes law bite dance would likely challenge it on Constitutional grounds possibly get an injunction So it's not like we're gonna see tiktok band next week, but the story continues to unfold On Tuesday Microsoft research Asia announced Vasa one a diffusion model that can make a video of a person based on a Single photo and synced to an audio recording of speech or singing Vasa stands for visual effective skills Animator the animation can render facial expressions head movements and syncs lips to speech Similar to Alibaba's emo Emote portrait alive is what emo stands for which can sync an animated video to an audio track as well Microsoft's Vasa one can generate videos at 512 by 512 pixel resolution at 40 frames per second suitable for use as a video conference avatar say Vasa one is a research demo and Microsoft says it doesn't plan to release the model as a product or API at this time Yeah, someday it comes to teams and then you can use it instead of showing your real self So you can stay in your pajamas and not put on makeup. Love it. I think that's where we're headed with that possibly use it for NPCs and video games DJI is taking its battery smarts developed for the its quad copters and such and putting it into power stations the power 500 sells for $1,000 and the power $1,000 for $699 and those model numbers are proxies for the watt hours 1,024 in the power 1,000 512 watt hours in the power 500 They're pretty comparable to what you might see from anchor or eco flow The usual selection of DC AC and USB ports, but the differentiator is the proprietary bidirectional port called smart SDC that can fast charge DJI drone batteries Along with some other things like take power from solar panels the batteries use lithium I am phosphate or LFP which lasts longer and is a little safer than the traditional NMC batteries Meta has cut the price of the quest to from $249 to $199 that is the second price cut this year had set started this year at $299 so we got a hundred bucks off at this point the quest three continues to sell for $499 so you're not going to get the cutting-edge of Meta's VR with the quest to but it's still a very capable headset with 1832 by 1920 per eye and a 90 Hertz refresh rate. You can even access Xbox cloud gaming on it And that's one promise Sarah made to you at the end of GDI that we would revisit that story with more details today Now you can fulfill the other promise you made talking about Netflix indeed I was gonna fight this tooth and nail if someone said no no Sarah. I promise the people on Thursday We're doing it now. This is big news today. Netflix announced its Q1 earnings report on Thursday overall very positive news It's stock took a little bit of a hit so we'll explain Netflix beat earnings revenue and subscriber estimates. That's all good news Subscribers rose 16% in the quarter to hit 269.6 million worldwide well above the 164.2 million that was expected however Netflix is going to do something a little different a year from now when we get its Q1 2025 earnings because whether Netflix's subscriber base shrinks or swells the company is not gonna tell us Netflix announced at that point. It will no longer report total subscriber numbers instead focusing on Engagement time spent with the service. He calls it its best proxy for customer satisfaction Co-CEO Ted Serrondo said quote we're in the very early days of developing our live Programming and I would like to look at this as an expansion of the types of content we offer so you can expect more live Stunt programming like Jake Paul and Mike Tyson fighting for example But subscriber numbers huge metric for any streaming services growth and scale Netflix's subs are growing at least for now So why do we think the decision to hide them was made? I think Netflix is justified in this Nate. Do you agree or disagree? Justified isn't the word I would necessarily use but I do think it's interesting that a lot of investors are quite upset about about this Because investors really like transparency And saying you're not gonna give them data that they've had for a long time is never gonna go down particularly well And it hasn't consumers obviously don't care about this But why it's interesting is that it's really not unprecedented for very very large tech companies apples done this before I think Metta has done something similar for slightly different reasons But with Netflix two massive things are going on one is their subscriber base is fluctuating massively either because of things like the Pandemic and then cost of living and now we're moving into this area of cracking down on password sharing but also adding in ad, but you know ad Supported tears as well, which a lot of people are taking advantage of and so I kind of feel like for Netflix They just had to pull the button and say look we're gonna do this because things are gonna get choppy and There's gonna be some volatility and we don't want people reacting to short-term changes when actually they should be focusing on the big picture So it's probably quite smart. Yeah, I'm not too far off from you in that I think it has more to do with saturation than volatility, but they're both playing a part in it So it's just a matter of you know, which emphasis you want to give I think Netflix is looking at subscribers and saying well Certainly in the markets. We've been in for a long time is specifically the United States of Canada We are reaching saturation. We are reaching a point where you're just not you're just not gonna get a whole lot More subscribers and cracking down on password sharing was the one way we were gonna be able to do it Also subscribers were only really an indication of here's the money. We think we can get Especially now that they have an ad-supported service. So shifting that focus to revenue I think is better for the investors and it's a better sense of how the business is doing to say we're actually making money We're making profit and that's what you should be focused on as far as users go. Are they engaged with the service? Well, then they're less likely to Cancel and for our ad-supported stuff, they're gonna see more ads. So that's a better metric Subscriber numbers aren't gonna be very informational. They're they're gonna they're gonna max out They're gonna grow in markets where they still have room to grow and then they're gonna max out That happens to every business when you leave the customer acquisition phase, which is what streaming is doing It's leaving the customer acquisition phase and going into the consolidation and monetization phase. So this makes perfect sense to me Yeah, I mean, obviously you got a finite number of users. Netflix knows this Maybe there maybe Netflix was like, you know, probably about a year from now You know, we might see some dips or at least Slowing of subscriber growth that would you know, people might latch on to but with the subscribers that we have Instead of them saying, oh look Netflix didn't get as many new subscribers as as you know The forecast or what the street thought it would get here's how Netflix is making more money off of the Subscribers it has I think the focus of not losing any or you know trying to curb that as much as possible But then monetizing the user base that is there and Apparently quite strong. I mean what what else really can Netflix do? I mean, obviously Netflix is Has dabbled in certain verticals, you know gaming is still It's still somewhat unclear, you know, what Netflix is long long-term strategy is for gaming But there's that there's live programming. There's sports. I mean all of that stuff is relatively new for the company and if Netflix feels confident that engagement hours and and Monetization is the way to go then Everyone's just gonna have to get used to it and I wonder how many other companies will follow suit This could be a trend, you know, that a lot of streaming services go like, yeah, you know what? Don't worry so much about our growth numbers worry about how we're monetizing the folks that we already have Yeah, the other the other angle is that a lot of the other streaming companies also have other businesses that have their own Subscribers whereas Netflix is kind of all streaming or nothing. Yeah, and and they want to change that They want to I bet they want to spin out a gaming service at which point they'll give subscriber numbers to that gaming service They're going to continue to tell you how well their individual shows have done like and that's normal You you care more how fallout did on Amazon Prime? Then you care how many subscribers Amazon Prime has you certainly care more how much an HB How well an HBO show does then you care what the overall HBO numbers are so I think that now applies to Netflix Which is interesting because they used to not want to give you any kind of numbers about their shows They only wanted to focus on subscribers just a different phase of the business. I guess Let's switch over to an interesting article on the MIT technology review site by Taylor Majewski called It's time to retire the term user The proliferation of AI means we need a new word Now, I'm not sure they followed up on the second part of that the subhead as as much as I would have liked But it is a really interesting question the article quotes cognitive scientist Don Norman You might know him as the author of the design of everyday things a seminal work in design Saying that designers in the 90s when he worked at Apple thought of users as part of the system Not as people and Majewski posits This has created a distance between software companies and their customers and might explain some of the ways that Software companies tend to abuse their customers or at least customers feel that way Both Norman and a Georgia Tech professor named Janet Murray have advocated against the term user Saying it's depersonalizing Jack Dorsey changed square from citing users to citing customers for similar reasons And Facebook even started trying to use the word people by default instead of users starting in 2014 So what do you think neat? Do you like the word user? I just don't care. I just wonder who who who cared about this enough in the first place Who's asking not to be called a user? I just I don't understand what the benefit is. I don't know how much I this is not something I'm losing sleep over but I don't like the term I think it it it's something that we're used to when you hear the term user you go, okay, that stands for one person But I think this is part of a greater conversation of okay. Well, is it always a person? Is it sometimes a model? That's also part of this system, you know and And I don't know there's something about user that I don't find it offensive But it's sort of like saying grabbing eyeballs When you know talking about a platform or a website or whatever it's like It's just I know what it means, but it's just it's like I don't know Tearing us apart a little bit And also there are lots of terms that are widely used like influencer. I hate that term. It's just it's just it's a horrible term It you know or you know somebody saying that they're a you know thought leader It's like what I mean. We're all thought leaders. Come on I think I once described themselves as an idea preneur and I never wanted to see that person again Yeah, I just got ideas, you know from scratch Yeah, just making them up. But yeah the fact that user I think it's I think I don't know maybe there's like a you know connotation like drug user There's something about user that it does sort of sound like we're all in a machine and It is a deep personalization of People I this gives me confidence that the world is not burning quite as badly as we thought That if this is the problem that we need to deal with and by we I mean apparently society and very clever people Cleverer than me if this is the big if this is the big problem We're golden don't worry about the world will be fine because to me this is a non Issue I wonder who came up with this as being a problem that required thought because I see the thought process And I respect that there is some thought gone into this I think the proliferation of AI that that you mentioned at the start of this section like that makes me that's interesting But who is complaining? I mean apart from Sarah and for I get that reason, but I don't know I mean, I probably wouldn't have complained had I not realized that somebody else was thinking about it But you know it goes it you see this all over the place many Restaurants and retail stores will call you a guest rather than a customer That's something that's not new. I mean what you're called changes how you feel about it And I have I have to say I'm disappointed that Nate as a journalist isn't obsessing about word choice Isn't that what we do as journalists like we oh we over and emphasize the importance of words I call people lots of things When they're not listening and I would say that being a user is one of the least offensive terms I could use to describe some people But that all said I think this is you're right about the whole guest. This is about It's pr essentially. It's spin. It's marketing But I don't think that this is a problem that needs Thought and I'm just going to leave it at that That all said very interesting to debate. So if anything it's given us a really interesting conversation that I'm glad to have had I'm glad they used this as part of our conversation. I I think I might disagree with you I think there's more. I think there's more effect to user Then then we might think uh, but you know, maybe maybe somebody should do some studies and find out if my instinct is right or not But that's a no a little more. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like the big question is Okay, let's say we all decide the user isn't good enough. No, what's the word? I think and that's where majewski has a really good part of the article and I encourage everyone to go read it Majewski says that what people are doing is saying well, let's use the specific word that's appropriate I think that's why I'm sympathetic to the argument Which is user kind of like doesn't tell you much But if it's a person or a customer or uh in in the Sense of games. We don't say users. We say players or we say gamers or readers It becomes more useful as to understand. Oh, that's what we're talking about versus user Which is just kind of lazy and catch all perfect. That's the argument. I agree with that 100 percent. There we go We brought it all back around Well, folks, uh, if you would like to get five things in your head in 16 seconds that will make you smarter Watch our top five show at youtube.com slash daily tech news show this week's episode I count down the top five pop stars who have recorded video game music. These are names, you know In most cases roger chang did the legwork and and looked them up And I count them down you can catch it at daily tech news show on tiktok at dts picks on instagram And of course, like I said youtube.com slash daily tech news show In europe meta is required to get informed and freely given user consent before tracking them for advertising purposes Metta cannot charge as much for ads though if they're not closely targeted and is concerned that if most people don't give consent It won't make enough money to justify running its businesses like facebook and instagram Its solution let folks either agree to tracking or pay for the service. We're just don't use it The european data protection board said wednesday that if a controller of a service like meta Wants to opt to charge a fee for access to the equivalent alternative They should give significant consideration to offering an additional alternative This free alternative should be without behavioral advertising the recommendation not legally binding just a recommendation Before we get into our discussion, which we're about to have patrick bezia wanted to comment on the story and sent us this message Hey, tom and crew. I wanted to weigh in on this Conversation I think a lot of people are going to focus on whether or not the government should be allowed to dictate The terms of business in the way that it seems to be doing with that decision Which I think is a fair question It might be a little bit one-sided Because a lot of americans usually take play take part in those conversations on most of those shows Which is why i'm really happy nate is on the show today, right? He's there go nate But there's another question that this decision asks Which is super interesting as well and that is the question of can Web business model that is based on advertising work If you don't have access to as much personal data I think we're all a little bit uncomfortable with what has become The surveillance capitalism model, and I think all of us are like yeah, it's really cool But it's a bit weird that we have to give away give up all of our personal data for those giant mega corporations that make dozens of billions of dollars of profit a quarter And maybe there's a middle way with regular quote-unquote advertising being inserted in the mix And those companies are never going to go that way by themselves They don't want to because of course it's going to make probably less billions of dollars of profit And maybe that decision is going to nudge some of them at least in that way And we can find out if it can work or not maybe it can't but it's an interesting question Which I don't think we should just throw away because oh big government and that's bad. All right See you Thank you patrick. Uh nice to hear your voice. So nat what is your take on on patrick's take and and and the story in general Well, I I mean, I do agree with everything patrick just said. I think he put it very eloquently So well, I'll pick it a slightly different angle Which is that there are campaign groups and so very notable campaigners out there who are Very are vehement in their suggestion that meta should not be charging a fee For users to use their products and not be tracked Or that the amount that they are charging is too much or it should be very very little And I remember when this was discussed actually in dTNS a few a few days ago Maybe even a couple of weeks ago And I was out walking the dog and I remember out loud actually shouting Well, don't use it then and when roger asked me what you want to talk about on the show this week I thought back to that dog walk because I thought if this is such an issue Is meta as a collection of companies Is it so vital that not using it is not an actual viable option because I don't believe That it is that essential that users have to be able to use it without being tracked and not pay for it Or or not at all. It's not like an isp or a phone company or your electricity provider It doesn't have a monopoly in the way that we think of social media companies Maybe in the past having had a monopoly And then as a final extension to that thought My wife the other day was talking to me about magnets for reasons I won't bore you with but it was actually a fascinating reason And mentioned the word magnets several times magnets magnets magnets, and then the very next day got an ad on instagram for magnets and was absolutely Inconsolable that her phone was listening to her and this is the thing and I said it isn't Listening to you and we had a whole conversation about that and my thought was well If you don't like the ads just don't use it But she needs it for work as well And it brought it all back to that conversation that I screamed out loud in the woods on my own looking like a crazy person with my dogs Um about not using it because If it is there really this choice Is there it or do we need to have to use these products? And if so do the vehemently angry campaigners have a point that actually a a reasonable alternative Without tracking shouldn't either cost anything or cost very much I don't know but they were the thoughts that I wanted to bring to you today I liked I like patrick's Instinct to focus this away from the usual like well Is it government's role to say this or not because I think we can all imagine how that conversation is going to go Depending on what your ideology is right? And so I think it is interesting for him to say but if they prevail and again, this is just an advisory opinion It's not the actual enforceable opinion yet So we're not there yet, but if they said no, uh, facebook you You can't do that. You can't make it you either pay or get tracked You know and facebook decides to continue to make its business available without tracking for free What does that do we would be able to find out it would be interesting to find out How much does that actually impact the bottom line? Maybe it doesn't impact it as as much as meta is worried about On the other hand meta might not make that decision meta I tell me if I'm wrong would be within its rights under EU law to say well then fine Instagram and facebook are only available as a subscription that you pay for in the european union And and that then we won't make a free version available I think that's as interesting as patrick's question, which is okay if if if you force them to say well you you can't Have a free version That has tracked ads only Would they would you know would you call their bluff and they're like, okay fine? We'll still make some money or would they just yank it I think for the size of the market and the number of users meta has here. I think yanking it Out of the market is not Is not going to happen. But as we saw with things like threads not launching in the EU for quite a long time because of Concerns over compliance with relatively new laws Facebook does have the power to say to a large number of people We're not going to give you a product because it's just not compatible with our Business model and our setup at this time. So I do think it's it's possible. I don't think Anything should be forced and I say that as Neither a facebook user Nor is someone who particularly hates any company at all. But I I do think that there's a a degree of Choice left here for the user and that choice is Don't use it if you don't want if you don't like it don't use it Wouldn't be shocked if meta decides To do something else, which is okay fine We'll have a free version that doesn't track you with less functionality With the there will move a bunch of features into the paid version And then we go to court all over again with somebody like no now now you're giving a a Less quality version if you're not tracked and it just starts the argument all over again. Yeah Yeah Well, let's check out the mail bag. No arguing in the mail bag today. Um, this is actually kind of fun Yesterday, uh, rob and I were talking to dr. Nikki Ackerman's about AI training other AI And rob was chuckling about how back in the day if you kept taking a photocopy of a photocopy You would see the quality degrade a little more each time Josh wrote in and said obscure reference for the conversation about photocopies of photocopies in the movie Multiplicity with Michael Keaton. The plot is how cloning a clone Made the next clone keep getting dumber and they use the metaphor of a photocopy of a photocopy Josh I was trying to remember that yesterday and I couldn't uh in that moment multiplicity very funny movie And odd non also wrote in and said you reminded me of a rick and morty episode with the decoys making their own decoys Who then make their own decoys etc etc, but they don't know their decoys one of my favorite episodes And indeed a good good cultural memory there in the dTNS audience Uh, and then real quickly, uh dean wrote in in response to our discussion of water companies in the united states coming under cyber attacks Uh saying one of the biggest issues is that many water companies are tiny Especially ones that serve small populations There can be just one or two people managing the whole thing another issue is funding Your tax money will normally go first to infrastructure versus securing the skater or dcs systems Forcing a layer of regulation on top of this would be a burden to an already struggling industry Not saying there shouldn't be something done, but like everything it is complicated CISA does their best, but they are also underfunded and under resourced one company that is trying to help is dragos Offering community watch services for free to smaller utilities. Thank you dean Uh for sending along that information And thank you len peralta for illustrating today's show. What have you been drawing? Len peralta, are you there? He seems frozen In bliss over being a grandpa sadly We do know what he what he drew even if his uh video feed is frozen So you can find this at patreon.com slash len or just buy it on its own at len peralta store.com It says a is for abandonment And I was gonna describe it more but it went away. Oh, there we go netflix What does it say? netflix decides to hide their number of subscribers mit technology review wants to retire the term user poor poor netflix subscriber number and users just being abandoned and I believe this is a tribute to children's books In honor of len's new granddaughter. So that's very sweet. Thank you len. Uh, and once again If you are a subscriber to his patreon at the dts lover level you can get that Automatically patreon.com slash len, uh, or just buy it. Uh, and you can buy other things in commission len at len peralta store.com Thank you len as always and thanks to you. Nate langson. Good to see you again on this here show Let folks know where they can keep up with everything you do Well, I do a lot of behind the scenes work these days for bloomberg originals. So if you are in the market for Regular and very high quality documentaries about news and current events Do check that out and you'll find that's on youtube. That's the best place really uh bloomberg originals stuff Some very good stuff there if I say so myself Indeed All right patrons, you know what it is friday time to stick around for the extended shows fun time It's a quiz Roger has put together a quiz to test everyone's knowledge of meta See if you're up to date on all of meta and facebook's efforts stick around for that Just a reminder. We record dts live monday through friday at 4 p.m. Eastern 200 utc We'd love to have you join us live if you can find out more at daily tech to news show dot com slash live We hope you have a great weekend. We're back on monday with justin robert young joining us talk to you then This week's episodes of daily tech news show were created by the following people host producer and writer tom merit host producer And the writer sarah lane executive producer and booker roger chang producer writer and co-host rob dunwood Video producer and twitch producer joe kunz technical producer anthony lemos spanish language host writer and producer dan compost Our science correspondent dr. Nikki ackermans social media producer and moderator zoe deadarding our mods beatmaster W scottis one bio cow captain kipper steve guattarama paul reese matthew j stevens aka gadget virtuoso and jd galloway modern video hosting by dan christensen Music and art provided by martin bell dan looters moustafa a a cast and len peralta live art performed by len peralta a cast ad support from tachiana matias patreon support from tom mcneill Contributors for this week's shows include nika monford and scott johnson Our guest this week was nat langson and thanks to all the patrons who make the show possible This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frogpants.com diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this program Oh righty then Uh, hey, you know gpig 84 asked a pertinent question. Why is friday synonymous with a quiz? Uh, I don't know it's our first quiz question. Why is no, um, I don't know because fridays are fun because it's the last day of the week and we're heading into the weekend and I just want to lighten the mood Yeah, have have some and learn a little something while we're at it. Exactly Yeah, or prove we already have learned you know watching jeopardy You always learn something Uh, if you would like to title the show why uh or anything else go to show about dot tv slash d tns 2 gpig 84 to be uh to be honest is one of our greatest title makers Uh, gpig has a history of some pretty amazing titles. Can you challenge him? I don't know find out show about dot tv slash d tns 2 go put your titles in now and vote on them there if you're watching it or listening live Uh, nat, have you ever heard this music? I mean is the quiz music it is it's the quiz music. Well done one point to linton eight Yay, you're a natural indeed indeed, uh, correct patron. I hear it Well meta has dabbled in lots of things we think of them as facebook, but you know, uh, they got they got other things going on We we mentioned some of them in the show today Uh, we are going to test your knowledge of everything they've ever done Okay, not maybe not every single thing they've ever done, but uh But uh, are you ready for for some quizzes some quiz questions in the world of meta? Yeah, I am Hey, how do I call out if I have an answer? Do I shout my own name? You know, since it's just you and sarah, we could just shout the answers Usually we say say your name so I know to call on you, but you know I I feel like sarah if you're cool with that we could just go wild west on this I think I I think i'm okay with it. Yeah, cool. Yeah Uh, as long as you as long as we have freely given consent then we can we can continue I understand the terms. Yeah, I I'm accepting you're informed. Yeah, I'm freely given. Okay, uh question number one What was facebook's very first name the facebook? That is not correct It is a previous version of facebook's name, but there was one before that Before yeah briefly before it became the facebook I haven't seen a social network movie in a while This will annoy me because as I'm sure it's the case of sarah. It's it is in the The head that is I can't remember it. I can't do that. Did it begin with a b? It did not begin with a b 25 other options Did it begin with a c? Did it begin with a d? It didn't begin with a c or d here. What did it begin with? Like give us a hand. It began with an f Just like facebook face not like the facebook It began with a face you're halfway there Face find No, that's a good guess though. I like that. It should have been this is a dumb name Face crunch close facebook Watch out titanic. It's a face burn. Oh, no Such a big face um face face fun Face finder face friend No friend is a good guess It used photos compiled from the online facebook's of nine houses of harvard university Placing two next to each other at a time and asking the users to choose the hotter of the two Oh Face or not Yeah, it's very much hot or not, but no it was not called face or not I was gonna say for a second there. I thought you this isn't hot or not, right? It was prior to I don't actually I don't know if it was prior to hot or not But it was at the same time of hot or not. It may have been zuckerberg trying to create a hot or not Hot or not. Yeah, face was already out. Yeah. Yeah. Face rank is close face rate No vote No judge I don't know. Can you tell I don't know it is face mash Oh, I was never going to get that. No, that makes it sound like it's like let's put two faces together Let's mash him up and see which one's hotter Look, it looks like nape, but it also looks like sarah It's face man All right, uh, let's come a more recent in history. Uh, within the past 10 years anyway What was the name? Of the company that meta acquired in 2014 to get the oculus line of products like the oculus rift Oh, I know this, uh I mean is not correct It was not called it wasn't oculus. It wasn't oculus. I was gonna say he's not called oculus. I'd forgotten this I would have got this wrong Because they had the oculus rift Right Oculus rift was the big the big palmer. Lucky was running it. It was palmer. Lucky's company. He was He was a he was a face mash employee for a small period of time What was it before? Oculus's parent company Gosh, we're letting ourselves down here. I know we didn't need I expected more of us It's confusing because the oculus rift was the Was the Kickstarter that palmer. Lucky did and then he created the company for it. I believe I so so nobody ever used that company name. It's like What do you know the name of the daily tech news show parent company because it's not daily tech news show like I do Yeah, you do too. Yeah, exactly. But no one else does no one outside this house knows Yeah, or if they do it's not like okay, nick with a c knows it. It's a brilliant LLC. Good for you nick with a c But yeah, it's it's less well known I I simply don't know I I don't reality labs You know what I was gonna say oculus labs But I think that's what it's called inside meta, isn't it? That might be what it's called now. Yeah actually Doesn't meta use the word reality labs like yes Yeah, I was gonna say I'm sure labs. Yeah, it's not facebook reality Metta still has its own reality labs bringing together the brightest cross disciplinary minds to build tools that help people feel connected By our headset All right This is one that you should not overthink Question number three. Oh and len len you're back. Yes. I had to oh, we got you back. Okay We are it's good to have you back. I hope my promo of your art was was you know, I was able to hear everything I just couldn't I was frozen. It was like general zahd. So anyway Keep going keep going. Yeah, uh, just shout out the answer if you have it question number three What is the name of facebook's dating service? And for bonus points, what year did it launch? Facebook's dating service and do you remember when it launched wasn't it just the facebook dating Facebook dating is correct You know, I'm feeling breathe. That's why I was like don't over don't overthink this one Uh, yeah, when would that have launched? So do you remember when it launched? I mean Was it like 2018 or something? It was before the pandemic, wasn't it? It was before the pandemic before the pandemic But it was I think it was let's see by that point. I mean Tinder would have been Let's say 2016 Nope later. Oh 2017 Later 2018 not not 2018 2019 then 2019 Now now now that we basically gave it away when in 2019 Valentine's day It should have launched off valentine's day. No, it was much later in the year december 2019 too too late in the year Is september 5th 2019 Yeah um, well, you know, they had a few months before facebook dating would have Not been Do we do we know if it's been successful? Has it matched many many people? How many of us here today met our spouse or loved one? I have used dating apps in the past. I've never used facebook dating I remember saying like, I mean, you know, I mean one is pretty much as good as the next to be honest I met uh, I met my wife on a on a dating app on okcupid Oh, okay. I mean I meant facebook dating would be a natural right because everybody's friends on facebook But I think people are like no, I don't want to date there. That's where I talk to my grandparents and stuff Yeah, date your grandparents friends Well, you could take your grandparents out on a fun date that'd be kind of a nice thing to do Yeah, we'd want to yeah All right, what is the name of the feature that allows encrypted end-to-end communications on facebook messenger? What's the name of the they gave a little fun little name for people who don't understand what end-to-end Encryption is uh, what is it called on facebook messenger and to jog your memory? It was a mode you had to choose they they're making it default now But for a while it was like oh you can you can use the mode It's not it's not um, I shouldn't have used the word mode because it's not mode is not in the word, but oh um safe chat No, it is not safe chat safe mash That's the feature that puts you and one other chatter Uh, uh, who's more encrypted who's more encrypted? safe mash Uh, I'll have to admit I don't I I'm missing out a lot. I think because I I'm not on facebook So I don't see these things But I shouldn't once you say it. I'll know it I'll give you the first word secret Secret face secret mash Is this something like secret chat or Getting closer warmer warmer secret secret talk closer hot I would choose you a secret words What are we having right now secret conversations Secret conversations is right Oh, yeah, I mean, I'll be honest. I may have said the correct answer, but I don't feel I deserve a point That sounds like a wham album secret conversations your conversations secret did Uh, yeah, these are just not getting easier by the way Facebook at work Is an online collaborative software launched in october 2016 and subsequently renamed workplace from meta but If those weren't already obscure enough for you, what is the name of the free version of either facebook at work or workplace from meta available only for nonprofits and educational institutions Oh jeez roger. Wow. I'm sorry. I thought Hey I'll give you the fact philanthropic mash It's definitely not mash It definitely does have workplace in the title workplace mash. It's also very gorgeous No, no wait think way more pretentious. Oh, we're doing a nice thing for educational institutions and nonprofits. We're we're amazing It's workplace. What place for you? Workplace for workplace for good workplace for good. It's for good. Well done. Thank you Very pretty place for good Yeah All right, as opposed to the rest of whatever we do we've got a little Corner of the market called workplace for good workplace for good. I don't like workplace for bad our regular Yeah Yes, have you seen your timeline recently? And if you pay workplace for evil Um, all right I feel like this question might be misleading. I feel like you know, definitely know what this is Uh, roger wrote it as what is the name of meta's roblox like vr game platform? But I think the roblox thing might distract you from this. What what is meta's vr game platform reality Um It is roblox like I'm not I'm just saying like don't it they don't market it so much as a roblox horizon world It is horizon worlds. That is in fact it meta horizon worlds Wow Man, I haven't heard this at all. That's a name. I haven't heard in a long time All right, let's go back to questions. You have no chance of getting Libra was the name of meta's attempt at a stable coin cryptocurrency But what name was it changed to shortly before meta pulled the plug Bonus points for the name of meta's digital wallet that was created to support it Libra coin No, Libra is not in the name of either. They're they're both one one word names Facecoin somebody had nidiquity and chat said facecoin It is not face coin coin mesh coin op I just don't know. I actually thought Libra was a decent idea until they did this and I definitely would not have remembered either one of these Uh, it is DM and the digital wallet was called Novi Oh, yeah DM DM rings a bell. Novi does not I definitely remember I remember them now that I'm looking at the answer, but yeah, uh, right Here is the final question What year did facebook launch its live video streaming service, but Only gave access to celebrities That's some influencers, but what year? What year did face and and remember when they did this everybody's like, oh you We've got to get on, you know, facebook live video streaming and they paid people to get on it and all this stuff I don't know. This feels like a while ago 2015 bingo 2015 on the dot around the time the periscope was a thing Oh, yeah, and mirkat Yeah, yeah And then the service was rolled out to the general public on february 18th 2016 Yeah, so there you go. That has been tough Has been tough very tough, but informative. Yeah, but very informative and memory jogging I I was reminded of a lot of things uh that that might come to mind as we Evaluate meta in the future Uh, and now we can finally get to the only news of today taylor swifts new album. Hmm. Uh, what'd you guys? She really cranks them out, didn't she? That's a lot. That's a lot. Hey, this woman is just she's prolific What a move. I didn't even realize it was a double house. Well, no one did 2am at 2am. She's like, oh by the way two albums. Boom. Crazy. Yeah I just wrote so many songs. Yeah, but I do have front row tickets to her London show out to the eras tour in london. Yeah See you're lucky because you might get songs from this album. Yeah. Yeah, no one else was able to get because it wasn't out yet I've only listened to it sort of half listened to it the whole thing today, but couple standout songs for me um Who's afraid of little old me? I think is a good tune Oh claire abo, I think it's a good final out the final on the original Original right. Yeah, and then I really like the final on the second album, which is the manuscript very good I haven't got that far. I've only been through the first album Yeah, I gotta give it some time. It's there's a lot to digest there, you know, and um You know, of course my granddaughter chose today to drop, you know to kind of overshadow The taylor swift. Oh my gosh. What if what if you'd had twins? It would have been totally Like surprise, you know, I I told my daughter-in-law. I said, hey, you know what you can actually You know, you you you can actually name her taylor swift You haven't left the confines of the whole of the of the hospital yet So right now she she doesn't her name doesn't officially exist in their records until tomorrow So they're going to rename her taylor swift parolta. Yeah Yeah, I like to try to get on the news. I like the smallest man who ever lived Yeah, that's a good song. That's a that is a diss track if I ever heard one. Yeah, there's a couple diss tracks I had to break up album for sure. So, uh, sirius xm has a taylor swift taylor swift Channel specifically for this album. It's called channel 13 And they just played this the albums over and over again. Yeah, but in between them they have little snippets of her talking about what The the song is about. Oh, okay And so I was driving around today and I heard Her talking about the song my boy only breaks his favorite toys Which is about someone like listen to I'm like, man, you must have had terrible relationships Because it's like she's like, yes, this song is about You know when a when a relationship starts how it's so fresh and new and then you get broken Because you get you know, they don't want to play with you anymore And I'm like, wow, uh, I gotta say I've never, um I've never experienced that but I'm you know, I consider myself how many years have you been married led Yeah, but even so back when you know before when I was that's true. You weren't always married Yeah, it's like wow, you know, I mean They people just treat people badly I guess Which is terrible I feel like this is classic Taylor Swift. If you don't like her, you're not going to like this album But but this is her at her best continuing to be at the top of her game like lyrically The big thing is that I I gotta talk to my 16 year old daughter and see what she thinks about it Yeah, because she's a big big Taylor Swift fan So the criticisms I've seen other than people who just hate her and are going to say hateful things But the the legitimate criticisms I've seen are that there's nothing Particularly a new direction. Some people are like, oh, this is very this is too similar to her previous stuff But that's actually what I like about it. So Yeah, it's I don't why mess with a good thing, you know, why become you too You have Joshua. I mean she's changed a lot over the years because I mean I I actually started listening to Taylor Swift When her first album landed on e music remember e music Yeah And I used to have DRM'd mv3's but it really was and I that's where I got a lot of my music from and at the time She was like this emerging Artist that they were, you know pushing and it was something I liked that was on e music And and so I got into it and so her evolution has gone from Very much country, you know poppy country through to You know the second and third albums are really kind of rock albums, you know There's even like distorted guitars on on a third album And then it sort of moved into kind of crossover into pop and then just became pure pop But then had this brief journey into into folk Um, which I really liked and then she sort of went back into this kind of what I call the no drums genre of pops and clicks which I'm less I'm less keen on Um So there's a bit of experimentation there, but my biggest gripe isn't with the the songs because I haven't listened to it yet It's just the fact that it's not available in high res high res lossless on apple music Which I just really that is interesting. I wonder why yeah You would sort of expect these days new releases particularly big budget new releases to be in um high res lossless, but it ain't I like uh, I like how Spot I listen to it on spotify and I like how spotify Oh, Len He seized up again It and with the oh now you're back. Yeah. Now you're back. You like how on spotify I don't know what's going on. So spotify, uh, links it to the merch So, oh, yeah purchase The you know the the double vinyl album. It's great You can perch the merch Purchase the merch right from spotify smart for spotify smart for the artist Not not to move into another direction, but I have this idea about merch Have have you guys been watching the the x-men show on disney plus? No, I've heard nothing but great things about it But I haven't watched it. It's pretty good. I'm not I'm not a big x-men fan But I started watching it my 11 year old son and he was like, I don't know what's going on here Um and he lost interest pretty quickly, but I think it's just because the narrative is really it's very dark But it's really interesting because they have x-men 97 Yes x-men 97 and uh On the disney plus app, which really isn't even disney plus anymore because there's hulu and fx and everything else But they have a link to buy merch and I always think that's very interesting You know just go and Coachella The the coachella stream on youtube Had the ability to to buy like you know t-shirts and hoodies for the band that was playing while they were playing Yeah, well, I mean that's good idea. You know I have to say um I have found myself a lot using tiktok over the last six months or so And I regularly use the add to apple music button when I hear a song that I like on tiktok Which is which is often it is really often That is the new way to break a song And to your point taylor swift Proving that she's more powerful than any record label Uh added all her music back to tiktok Even though her distributor universal music group is in a spat with tiktok And he's not allowing any of the rest of their music on it I kind of feel as much as I like taylor and I do I I still can't help but think that is a massive pr move to do it when it happens And I think she did something very similar when She put her music back on spotify um, it was around the time of Something was it selling a hundred million copies or there's some huge milestone. She released And it sort of tied in with that and I think Adele did something Yes similar and I can't there's there's a very cynical part of me And I am a very cynical person But there's a particularly cynical part of me that does sort of think How much of that was self-serving over and above the fact that obviously you then get the royalties from the streams I think I think there's a little bit There but nonetheless people seem to be happy the music's back and it's great Yeah, no the the tiktok thing is entirely self-serving because the the universal music group position is tiktok doesn't want to pay artists for their music And so we won't let them use our music until they do and taylor's like yeah, but I need them So I'm putting my music on there and I have the rights to do that somehow Probably because she owns the masters, but at least somehow she was able to do it. Yeah I found the re-recording project to be incredibly interesting because those new versions are So close to the original but particularly The more modern ones that were recorded with huge amounts of electronics because you can literally take the same keyboards and the same physical recording equipment And play the exact same Song through it obviously have to record the vocals and anything that's been done to it afterwards in in in the mix and the mastering But it's giving you a huge advantage in meeting the original sound by being able to literally use the original electronic devices There was one song on one of the first releases though that wasn't electronic and um I went through lots of songs trying to see if I could get shazam to think the new version was the old one And and I did find one song that that did match that there was obviously so identical that But it was actually quite it was harder to do than I thought it would be but I did do it once Front row tickets, huh? Yeah in the in the it's more than front roll It's like golden circle or something they call it. It's like right at the very front I mean the most expensive concert ticket I I mean most of the bands I go and see you know, they're bands that are like banned in several countries and things So they're cheap But even with that said and I've seen her several times before my sister's been back state My sister-in-law rather has been backstage and met her like we've done we've got close before but this is Going to be something quite special. I think I've only had front row tickets to a concert one time ever Not counting like general admission where you can just kind of you know shoulder your way up to the front. Yeah But there's so much in so many barricades and like all the fireworks and stuff that I wasn't really that close to the front of the stage so um Next time you're here or next time I'm that I'm going to take you to see someone like flash got apocalypse and come to the front for one of those because That is fun. Let me tell you that is fun Yeah, is that that general admission? It's very much general admission. Yeah. Yeah, I figured Yeah, uh, well, you know what else is general admission our patreon Uh, if you're a patron Just come on in right? You know, you're very welcome to yeah, please no bouncers. Nothing. No. Yeah The you have to get a ticket. You know, that's just like any any admission, right? So you you gotta you gotta pay but but uh, yeah, then you get to to be one of us You uh, I'm I don't you know this because you're listening to ddi. So I don't know why I'm telling you Uh, but thank you to everybody who supports us at patreon.com slash dtns Uh, and I have just been really excited at the number of folks Having conversations and making comments and enjoying themselves and starting to just talk to each other On our patreon, uh, clint johnson was in there and on jr. Daniel cornwall ryan colman john murray sparky Howard We put a post up asking for people to give us some ideas for topics for the bonus show And getting getting great topics of conversation there So if you if you haven't checked it out, go go check out the conversations going on at patreon.com slash dtns That is going to do it for us Well, thank you for having me so much. Yeah, thank you, Nate. It was great to have you, Nate Thank you, sir. Don't you be a stranger now on here anytime you want me On how about monday? No, I'm just kidding. Uh until monday. Have a good day everyone Good day internet. 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I mean to the point Honda insight called us called our bluff tech news for internet users all caps Hmm a bunch of users users use things users or losers and losers are users. So don't do drugs Tech user you're just using all this Just using tech you don't care about it. Yeah Because it's just so convenient for you Nick with a c uh with the name of your granddaughter a wild evie appeared Oh nice Gotta catch them all lens grandchildren Uh, what was the the the sitcom where she could stop time evie? Oh, let's call the something on a star Or no, uh, we should I remember it was no, I think that was just the opening song Oh, I used to love that. What was it called? Star girl stop time alien Star girl stop time. I don't think she was an alien. She was just no, she was her dad was out of this world Her dad was in this world. She was out of this world. Yeah, I love that She was I always be like but like she could stop time and just like take a nap Like it's like a pretty cool superpower. Yeah, she got hold of dts. Her other powers. Yeah Like I'm not late for dts, but I took a three hour nap. I used to love that show It was great. I absolutely loved it Uh, roger, what did we go with title wise? Uh, we went with facebook is non a necessity and that was from nick with a c Ah, very nice. All right, uh gdi top vote getters from larry in atlanta facebook Watch out That sounds like a wham album from larry Uh a french and a brit way in Yeah, I did I was going to make a joke about how it was um uncharacteristic that um, a frenchman and a brit are agreeing with each other but uh but I was like We're live I like clinton woodward friday taylor's version Ah, that's a good one. That is good. Um Raymond's had a good title face things face things Just face things like all one word everybody don't run from them face Yeah, I don't know I kind of like facebook makes me laugh facebook's pretty funny. Hey, why not facebook? Why not facebook? There you go larry in atlanta. Thank you for the title And as a reward, we'll send all the twitch people to scott johnson's place Well, not his house, but frog pants channel. So tell them we say furt And youtube folks have a good one But just one good day internet. Good day