 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump, with your hosts. Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this extra fun episode of Mind Pump, for the first 43 minutes, Adam. Whoa, 43 minutes. We went off. Adam, Justin, and myself, get into a prolonged introduction. We talk about the show Dark on Netflix. We talk about JJ Abrams' inability to close and the new Star Wars, no spoilers. We don't actually give anything away. We wouldn't do that to you guys, don't worry. We talk about the documentary What's With Wheat on Netflix. I highly suggest you guys all watch it, and I highly suggest my co-host fucking watch it, because I've been telling them now for the past three days. Sal's been hammering us about that. We talk about the chronic disease explosion. A lot of people aren't talking about autoimmune issues and just chronic diseases in general seem to be exploding in modern societies. What the hell is going on? 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You're gonna have to do it on a solo podcast. You're gonna get in here by yourself. Star Wars is called the Han Solo Podcast. It's starring me. Yeah. Yeah. No, I didn't. So you're episode five on Dark right now, Justin? Yeah. And Sal, you're on two? Just number two. Okay. I need you guys to start that. I like it. But I'm confused as fuck. I know. I need you to finish it because I'm still confused. I think together, we'll be able to put it together. Okay. I'll figure it out. This is like one of those big puzzles that you can't put all the pieces in. I'll figure it out. You can't figure it out. I already figured it out. No, you can't. I watched two episodes. I know exactly. They got you then. Two? Yeah, there's no way. There's so much shit. 100% figure it out. Wow. Can I tell you? Go for it. I've already watched it. I don't want to spoil it. You know I don't want to spoil it. Justin hasn't seen the whole thing. That's okay though. I tell you what, even if I tried to spoil it for you guys and put it all together, it's still at the... It's too complex. Yeah, there's... I'm trying to remember the last show that I remember. You know what it reminds me of a little bit? Is Fringe. Did you ever get into Fringe? Yeah, I never watched it. I love that show. Yeah, so Fringe was really good. I stopped watching it towards the last... When they split to the parallel universes. Yeah, shit. That's J.J. Abrams for you. Right. He does a great job at starting things and then leaving you suspended. But closing out, he's fucking terrible. That's why I'm dying because he's scheduled to be the third Star Wars again. Yeah. And I'm like, no. Oh, really? Yeah, he doesn't know how to close anything. Yeah, at the end, when Chewbacca has sex with Princess Leia, he's like, what? I'm like, ew. He's the outie much? Yeah. But anyway. He doesn't close movie. What else did he do that he doesn't close movies very well? He also did, well, Lost. Oh, that series was terrible. Yeah. I mean, I loved it. And then the way he finished it was... Yeah, and that's how I feel about Fringe, too. Fringe, I loved it for most of it. And then just Star Trek. Oh, he did that one, too. Yeah, both of those. I think, are they up to three now? Like the new revised version? Anyway, I did like what he did with the franchise, but again, I don't think he's a closer. I think he's a star. So you're in the camp of, I thought most people that really, really like Star Wars were excited about JJ Abrams actually doing it. I loved him doing the first one. And just his ideas and inclusions. But like... Are this supposed to close out the last one? The last one's supposed to be 2018? Those characters he created, like Finn and Captain Phasma, I'm not stoked on. They're just like, meh. You know? We didn't get much. Anyway, I don't want to get into it because we're going to ruin everything for you, Adam. Yeah, well, I mean, I feel like without talking about this one, you could still talk about JJ Abram and talk about why you don't or do like. I thought most big Star Wars fanatics actually were really excited because before that, who did the two stupid ones? The ones that were like all animated crazy and just didn't even follow like... Lucas. So that's just Lucas by himself. Yeah, yeah, he just, he lost it. Moron. No, he just, I don't know. He tried to, just because he can do something, like he didn't really have depth to that story of like bringing Darth Vader, like his story, like it was just lame. So he tried to make something out of nothing. Now, the knock that I keep hearing from people too is that it's the same thing, but just different. You know what I'm saying? It's like the same thing. Well, that was the first one. It's like the whole... This one was different. This was, yes. This one was actually much... It challenged you. And I think that's why like there's a bit of a nerd revolt of like the purists. It's much less Star Wars-y. But I liked it because of that fact. Because they fucking shook it up on you. Yeah. Okay, that's cool. It's great. You'll like it a lot, I think. What I want you guys to watch is the documentary What's With Wheat. You have to watch that documentary. I saw your post. I read your post. I keep forgetting. You gotta text me and remind me. I mean, it's just, it's what is an hour and a half long. So you'll watch it real quick, but... I'm assuming that's where the post came from, right? I mean, that's where it sent you on your... So I've known the stuff that I saw on What's With Wheat. I didn't necessarily learn anything new. I just liked the way they made it because when I looked at, when I saw the title and I saw people posting about it and I saw the cover of the documentary which is like a piece of bread made into a skull or whatever. I thought to myself... Yeah, like, oh, this is gonna be... It's gonna be like, like what the health... Very biased. Yeah, it's gonna be like what the health. They're gonna go super sensationalist. It's gonna be dogma. Ridiculousness. No, they were very intelligent with the way that they explain things. Now is that because you identify with it and you agree with it or did they true? No, they did not say that wheat is evil. They did not say that wheat is evil. What they explained was like wheat has been a staple crop for humans for thousands of years. It is what fed us post-agricultural revolution. It's the reason why mankind grew so rapidly during that period of time. So humans have been eating wheat for a very, very long time. The difference is in what they were very... And that's what they were explaining. Like, wheat's not necessarily a problem. It's that number one, the wheat that we eat today is not the same as the wheat that we ate back then. We have bred it to be... It's like double, triple amount of gluten in it. Yeah, we've bred it for much higher yield to be much more hearty, to withstand disease, to withstand all these things that can kill wheat. Now, that's almost everything, every crop. So why is it so... What's so different? Is it because of... So, because of gluten, is that what I mean? So, certain things in foods are there to... As defense mechanisms for the foods against predators. So, if you and I went and grabbed a stalk of wheat out of the ground and just started eating it, like that, it would destroy us. We would have severe... You can't eat wheat that way. Humans can't digest it that way. So humans, because we're obviously intelligent creatures, we figured out ways to process this food... Strip it of all those. Well, just to make it in a way that we can digest it. So, number one, ancient wheat, very different from modern wheat. Number two, we would stone ground it for a long fucking time, the whole thing. It wasn't just like, we wouldn't remove any parts of it. We'd stone ground the hell out of it. And then we would make it through a fermentation process. And that fermentation process makes it far easier to digest. So it's like... What does that... Do they go into detail what that looks like? What does that process look like? So if you wanted something similar today, you would get sourdough, like good old-school sourdough bread that's made from what's called ancient grains or ancient forms of wheat. So I can't remember the name of the type of wheat, but you can buy it today where it's the same that they, you know, thousands of years ago. And what they'll do is they'll process it in the same way and then they'll ferment it. That's what sourdough bread is. And for people who have light sensitivities to wheat, they're probably gonna be okay. In fact, when you talk to functional medicine doctors... So it's a defermenting process that's actually... It breaks down the gluten, it breaks down... So it's like ancient humans knew that this was a tough thing to digest and they produced it in a way that made it easier. And ancient wheat was probably consumed with raw forms of dairy or raw forms of milk. Raw milk naturally has higher levels of Bephidobacterium in them. And Bephidobacterium has been shown to protect against the potential inflammatory processes of wheat. Well, wasn't it too like they would ferment and make like beer and all these different drinks because the water was a lot more like suspect? In some cases, yeah. In some areas. Yeah, in some cases, yeah. So, and that's the thing like ancient humans, we understood the dangers of particular types of foods and we just found out ways or figured out ways to eat them. Today, wheat is, we spray it with things to make it grow faster. So like plant hormones or chemicals to make it grow faster. We do something where we blast them with glyphosates. It's called desiccation, I believe that. Gets it to dry so that we can process it quicker. Then with the way we make bread, we make it very quickly. We don't ferment it for the most part. So it's just, it's much more of a potential inflammatory problem. What happens in the fermenting process? Like do they break it down in the video? Like what is that? They do. What is that? They do, they do break it down. You know, I don't remember. I believe fermented bread reduces the gluten or breaks down the gliadin and the gluten and the proteins that are found in wheat that can be tough to digest. And basically what they're saying is that modern wheat in the context of inflammation in the context of a poor diet, poor microbiome sets the stage for a lot of problems. And when it sets the stage for these immune reactions, when you have an immune reaction to food that's not your typical allergic reaction, it can display itself in a lot of different ways. It can look like migraines. It can look like joint inflammation. In other words, if we get the immune system to react inappropriately or overreact, that overreaction can display itself all over the body. So if your immune system is auto, if you have autoimmune issues, it can be your joints that it attacks. Now you have rheumatoid arthritis or it can be your eyes and you have issues with developing blindness or night vision. It could go to causing headaches. It can go to your skin. Skin is the most common one. Skin eczema and psoriasis are the most common displays of an immune system that is haywire from the gut. They also talk about how most of these autoimmune issues probably have roots in the gut. They probably have roots in the gut. But it's a very well-made documentary. So I want you guys to watch it. Yeah, we'll watch it for sure. I'll watch it. So it wasn't that it didn't get all what the health like where they were just super, you weren't partially like, oh, come on. No, in fact, a couple of them said like some people can eat wheat and not ever park. Because I know that Lane got onto Joe's post when Rogan posted about it and really tried to light him up over it. And so I was curious to like, okay, because I feel like for the most part, Lane's got a pretty good head on his shoulders. And when we had him on the show and we talked about it, I think he's just, he hates the zealots about it, right? The people that are just like dogmatic about their approach. But it sounds like this video wasn't, this documentary wasn't like that. Yeah, trying to be a contrarian. There are certain things in foods that the immune system tends to recognize more readily as a foreign invader. And one of them is gliadin and gluten in wheat. Another one is some of it or dairy proteins or lactose or egg whites or lagoons. You know, lagoons have these, you know, protection mechanisms to protect them from being consumed by animals. And so it only makes sense that that's gonna, that's something that immune system may recognize. But it depends on context too. Like if your gut is super healthy, you've got great microbiome. I mean, you can get away with a lot more, you know what I'm saying? Which seems to be every teenager, right? Seems like teenagers for the most part get away with it. And it's like when you start getting into your 20s. You're kids. Yeah, right kids. But less and less. Right, which is probably because we just let them go haywire with a lot of this shit and it's getting more processed, more glycephate. Glyphosates. Glyphosates. I can't even say it right. Glyphosates. Glyphosates. Glyphosates. Yeah. It's an interesting situation. And you know, they talk about it on the documentary how we have traded, you know, acute illness for chronic illness. Like we have solved infectious disease. We've solved these acute problems. But we've traded it with these chronic conditions that we have that for the most part that they didn't exist like this. Like they do now. Like we can preserve like our lifespan is a lot more, it's greater now. But like the quality I feel like is something that we need to address like specifically. Well, look at like cancer. Yeah. Cancer is a great example. I just read an article yesterday. I posted it on the phone. Oh yeah, you stirred up some shit with that too. Yeah, that some scientists, you know, when they look at mummies and remains and stuff like that, that finding cancer is extremely rare when they look at these things. Now some people will argue and say, Well, people said it was still found though, right? Well, some people would, some people argue and say, well, it's because people didn't live as long. Well, can you also argue that like, how many mummies do they really like biopsy? How many mummies are there? Like what's your amount of test subject? So cancer tumors should be pretty easy to spot in a mummified remain or in, you know, if we're finding like, you know, old prehistoric remains or whatever of humans, we should be able to see them because they didn't have treatments. So if they died of the tumors, if they died from the cancer, it would be in the bone, it would be in the, it would be evident. You know what I'm saying? It wouldn't be like, oh, we can't tell if this person died from cancer. We should see many more signs of cancer, but we don't, it's extremely rare. And so some scientists are saying that that cancers, a lot of cancers are the result of modern lifestyle. Which goes back to the whole epigenetics thing is that, you know, forever, everyone's had the potential to get cancer. It's just that it's accelerated that we are getting it now. And so the real question is, okay, it's been around forever as a possibility that you could get it, but why is it skyrocketed in the last 50 years or so? It's a multitude of factors now. How do you narrow it down? It's like, there's so many new things. And maybe that's why it's accelerated so much because alcohol does it, cigarettes do it, processed foods can potentially do it. That's my theory. It's everything at once. Right, it's so much. And that's why you can't pinpoint it to one thing either. And this is also why I think people get so pissed off when you try and do that. There is no one class. Yeah, right, if you just demonize weed or you just demonize alcohol, you just demonize cigarettes, whatever, it's the combination of our lifestyle completely, right? Speaking of weed, it just reminded me of something else. So I read another article that, you guys know what WikiLeaks is? Mm-hmm. So that's where they all that, like if hackers have information on something, they'll release it to WikiLeaks. Anonymously. Yeah. They'll post it or whatever. And apparently there were all these hacked emails and stuff that showed that the alcohol industry was paying or not bribing, but influencing government officials to continue to push for weed prohibition or cannabis prohibition. So alcohol companies were literally. I've been telling you guys that shit forever, man. Well, yeah. But you know what's funny? This is like evidence. You know what I mean? Well, it's not enough evidence that I told you I saw firsthand or what? Well, dude, it's been going on for a hot minute, man. Isn't that crazy though? Yeah, it's confirmation. Well, that's how they kick. One of the number one ways big business eliminates their competition is by using government to legislate their competition out of business. That's just what they do. Yeah. That's just what they do. It's happened forever. I mean, look at like Tesla and Edison and it's always like one versus the other and then one kind of like pervades at the end. Oh, man. What do you think is going to happen? Do you think that companies like Marlboro are going to come in and just, and Philip Morris or whatever and just going to just destroy everybody and just take it over the market? When they realize that they can't stop it. Like when they realize that we need to like that it's going to happen. Well, weed is interesting because you can grow it. You know, you can grow it in your own house. Well, you could technically do that with alcohol too, right? That's true. You could do it in China. Yeah, but it's way more labor intensive. Yeah, way more labor intensive. Well, I don't know though. That's not true. That's not true. We're asking the guy that stuff. That's not true at all. I mean, growing one weed, one plant, you're not making no money off of that. To grow enough marijuana to make a legit. Oh, you're talking about business? Well, yeah, to make a legitimate business of it is an operation and you need a lot of things. You can't just be like, oh, I got a backyard and I can grow some weed. No, I'm talking about, I think, I thought you were referring to, I thought Justin was referring to these people growing their own. Yeah, that's what I meant, like just for themselves. Yeah, yeah, it's, yeah, I think it's, I mean, God, you could debate. My brother-in-law, Bruce's own beer, once you understand the process and you learn how to do it, to me it's, you could do it and you could do really, you could be very bad at it. The same way people grow weed. I mean, it's a weed, so you could throw it in a pot and you could just throw water on it, but you can have some fucking shit, you know, dirt weed. It's not gonna be very powerful. Yeah, nobody wants to smoke that. Just like nobody would want to drink some terrible beer that someone didn't understand the process. It's funny because they're finding that in states that have legalized cannabis that alcohol consumption drops. So the alcohol companies are shitting their pants. Oh, I bet. Because when you have the monopoly on consciousness altering fun drug, which is what alcohol is, right? Alcohol, the alcohol industry literally owns the monopoly on like legal drugs that you have a fun time with your friends, right? Otherwise what else can you do that's legal? Marijuana comes out and becomes legal. Now you have an alternative because people that smoke weed, what they're finding is a lot of them stop drinking alcohol or don't drink as much because they don't get a hangover. I have fun and it's like, well, I'll just do this instead. Oh, no, it's gonna get interesting. Is it like January where they actually roll out the recreational? It'll be legally for California? Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna be cool. It's gonna be rad. No, it's gonna be cool. When we see the shops pop up. You're gonna see everything like weed gum. You know, weed toothpaste. We'll see, man. We'll see. It's weed shampoo. So much better. I mean, I think it's further good for sure. I think if it's gonna cut back on people drinking and driving it, now mind you, there's still gonna be people that are under the influence and driving and doing those things like that. That nearly isn't, it doesn't inhibit your motor skills. This is, by the way, I'm not speaking because this is my experience. This is, they've studied it. There's tests that they've done. It's concluded. It's conclusive that you can be, you can smoke weed versus drinking and go drive and you'll operate better. Doesn't mean you'll operate great. It just means that you're far less likely. We'll just look at the statistics of people who've had, like, well, in Colorado, right? So as far as crime and accidents and all those things, it's gone way down. You know what I heard? It's crazy right now. Who did I just talk to? Some CHP buddy of mine was saying that they're scared of the whole texting thing. Like supposedly texting is surpassing, like drinking and driving, like that as far as danger. That actually makes sense. Yeah, and you guys notice, like more and more often, I'll be driving the freeway and I'll look to my left. I'll look to my right. People are texting. Yeah. Everyone's just head down. Yeah, everyone's like driving with their head down looking at their lap at the same time. I'm like, oh, shit, this is getting crazy, dude. I've actually been in a stoplight like this, right? So yeah, and I was the second car and it was a two-laying, light goes green and both the two front cars were looking down. They felt like green light went all the way to a yellow light before they looked up and actually took off. You know what's gonna happen is they're gonna make the punishment, because right now, if you get caught texting in your car, it's just a stupid ticket. They're gonna turn it into something really big, like drinking and driving. Once they start to make that case and enough happens to happen. But I think now that being said, we're this close, I feel, and obviously I'm on a podcast, you can see I'm holding my fingers up one inch away, right? We're this close to all the like Siri and stuff like that, like the voice activation being so fucking spawned. Like, hey Siri, hey Siri. Text? Yeah, text. I'm here. Doug producer. Yeah, see there it is. Tell Doug I think he has a giant, giant penis. Your message to Doug producer says, tell Doug I think he has a giant, giant penis. Wow, they caught that even though you messed it up. Send. Like that, bro. What did I tell you about Siri, dude? That's happening, that's happening. What did I tell you about Siri? That's happening, it's so quick and easy and it's getting better. Each time this new phone comes out, it's like. Bro, what did I tell you about that? You probably set off everybody listening to this. Hey, thanks for the text, Adam. You guys, you need to turn your Siri off, dude. It's always listening. Yeah, it's okay. No, it's not okay. I'm not a, bro, I'm not like fucking worried like my little brother is, like that the government's really watching me. Like I'm not there yet. I'll turn it off when I'm like big shit, bro. When I'm like that big, where like they might be listening to me, like there's a million other people they're gonna listen to before they listen to my bullshit. I'm not running for president. Yeah, they don't give a fuck about what I'm saying. That's not happening. Man, I have no plans to in the future. So it's like, cause that would make sense too. If you're like, well, you know, I might get into politics in like 10 or 15 years. Don't want them to hear me talking about all that racist shit or that both sexist shit that I was saying earlier. Jokes with my friends around the campfire. Like nah, that's fucking it. Whatever, dude. I think that's, you guys see all the shit that's coming out? Something else just came out. Oh man, another person got accused. The sports world right now, they're taking the sports world under right now. So now they're getting into these, a lot of these like Brett Favre just got, I think it was Brett Favre who got accused of some shit. One of the other. Passes dick pic thing? Yeah, one of the other announcers got, so now they're getting all, I mean, it's all Hollywood still, right? So it's all like the, yeah, all these celebrity announcers and shit that were ex-athletes. A lot of people coming forward on them now. It's getting crazy. Every day in the news, there's like at least one to three people that are like big name people that are getting taken down with the whole sexual harassment thing. Taken down. And they are, you know, Bren and Shob and Brian were talking, I guess on their show Katrina told me this and said that they were like, they were all, all the comedians were talking like, dude, what if, I mean, if people were to go back on all the things that you've said or done, like would you, they're like, fuck yeah, I'd be in fucking in trouble. Of course I said some shit I wasn't supposed to say. So at what point does this get out of control? Like at what point, like right now we're all like rooting for these people, like. Yeah. Yeah, fuck good. The statues of limitations. Right, where's the free speech at it? Where do we start to flirt with those guys? So here's the thing, it doesn't matter, because if you're, you learn this in politics, if you're somebody with a lot of power or you're doing really well, all it takes is an accusation. That's it, you're fucked. All it takes is somebody to say that you did something back in 1987. That was terrible. Which I feel like that's kind of fucked up, man. You could, you could, seven years old. And you could prove, you could prove that you didn't or make the case that you didn't, but it doesn't matter, because public opinion, you know how powerful public opinion is when you're a celebrity? It's everything. The public thinks of you as everything. Has nothing to, whether or not you go to jail or not, like that doesn't matter. At this point now, it's everybody thinks that that's who you are and what you did. Right, right. So people can really fuck with you. What do you think about, there was that one football player that went to jail for a few years and then the girl came out and admitted that she lied, that she, she said he raped her, but then she came out and said she didn't. Oh, right. So they let him out, but he ended up not playing football. He ended up losing years of his life because he was in prison. Do you think people who falsely accuse others like that should go to jail? 100%. Pass it away. 100%. You fuck somebody's life up like that, you should go the fuck down, bro. Yeah, it should bring a penalty. Hell yes, you should. It works both ways, man. You want people to take you seriously, so if you lie about it, then you should be accountable to that. Well, especially when you're like, you could. You could potentially fuck someone's entire life. You could change their whole life by doing that. Yeah, yeah. And what sucks. Detrimental. And what sucks even someone like that, even when they probably, I don't even know who you're talking about, but when they come out afterwards, like that person's already been tarnished. Yeah. Like people will still connect that. I remember how pissed I was. So this, I don't know if I share this story on, on Mind Pump, but I was, let's see here, this is 2000 and around 2004, 2005. So I'm 20, about 24 years old and I'm managing, this was when I managed Salesdale. And it was really common. I used to do like these staff barbecues at my house all the time. So I had a nice little place and I had, I would get the UFC fight, I'd throw a barbecue, invite all my trainers and staff over and, and you know, I had a lot, most everybody was over 21. So there was always be like a few beers in the fridge. I didn't get an okay, it wasn't a party. It was a barbecue. You know what I'm saying? It was a barbecue and people could have drinks here and there and stuff. Well, I had done this for years already and never had any problems. Well, this one year, I have a new trainer who's working for me, who's at this party and then there's a front desk girl and the front desk girl ends up claiming that my trainer ended up trying to force himself on her. And it actually happened outside of my house but it happened, you know, around that time at my party. So it was- Like we were at the party and left. Yeah, they were at the party, then they went out, you know, and the irony of it was, you know, she was sitting on his lap the whole time while they were watching the fights and they looked like they were all vibing each other as it was. And then, you know, I went to bed, everybody kind of went their different directions. Some people were still out of my deck talking and kind of hanging out and shit like that. And they went somewhere else on my property out there and she said that he forced him on her. So I got, I almost, I was this close to getting fired, dude. I mean, they brought me in. And if it wasn't for me being like a top performer, they would have never, they would fucking cut their losses right away. What was the reasoning for you getting into trouble? Well, that's- Because it was- Just for hosting the party. Because I hosted the party, man. Because you had alcohol? Yeah. Everyone was overaged. Didn't matter, dude. Didn't matter because something like that happened, they wanted to take me down over. And what fucked me was I was 24 years old when that happened, right? So it was a major learning lesson for me about fraternizing with my staff. So from that point on- Even though you did nothing wrong. And Justin remembers me because these guys, and there were a couple of times I came out with him but for the most part I'd be like, you know, I can't party with you guys because of that what happened to me. So that happened to me before him. And it forever changed the course of my career there because I was forever blackballed. I was forever the guy that was irresponsible and would do that. And it just was fucking bad luck on my part. You know, it was really shitty that I was doing something good. Because, I mean, and that fuck, they potentially fucked my career. Like in my mind as a kid, like I was on pace to I want to be a VP, I'm running this way. We were both blackballed, bro. For sure. Yeah. For sure we were. Mine was for different reasons. Yeah, mine was, I mean, that was the shitty part. And that's what, that was kind of the straw that broke the camel's back. Yeah, that was like the start of it. I was also the first club that ever got. So when I started with the company, HR and LP didn't exist. So lost prevention and HR didn't exist within our company when I started with them. And then I was there. I'm trying to remember the lady's name that was the... Long blonde hair, starts with a J. It was either Jill or... I don't remember, but I hated her. Yeah, I didn't like her at all. I hated her. Yeah, I didn't like her at all. Well, so she was the evil bitch. She was. I don't know if I remember. She came into the company and she was super... I mean, they came into Clean House, right? This company grew to a billion-dollar company that had over 300-something clubs, thousands of employees working for it. She was just on a mission. With no HR, right? So it was the Wild Wild West when we were there back then. I mean, you could, what was really... And this was common. This was like a normal thing because we used to sell memberships with personal training attached to it. And it was good, but the people that were buying the membership, they didn't know any better. They just said, okay, it's $800 for three years and you have your renewal and you have five personal training sessions that come with it. But you were really charged for the personal training separately. It was like $240. And then the membership was really like $500-something, whatever, right? So a lot of these members, they didn't want a personal trainer. About, I'd say 20%, 20 or 30%, people had five personal trainers. Some of them just got it for the price. So something that was super normal would be people, trainers, would clock those hours in. And that sounds crazy, but what you would do is you would call these people to get in and they'd be like, no thank you, no thank you, I don't want it. And then you say, okay, well come in, sign them off and say you don't want them. And they'd sign the signatures off and then your trainers would clock them in for hours. That was the fucking thing that everybody did. Everybody did that. And for obvious reasons, not good for the company. Right, right. Obviously not good for the company. And obviously they want to clean that up. Well, guess what? I'm the very first club. I'm only a manager for maybe six months at this time. I'm the first club that gets audited. Now, I'm not under the impression like this is, and I know that it's coming, right? They tell you like, you know, HR is coming around. These are the things they're looking for they're doing. So my staff is like, I got all my staff on point. We're not doing shit like that. They're changing the guard. It's a new, but what do they do? They go to my file cabinet. They go to my files that I have that have got the last five years before and they start pulling files and they start going back checking. Here's the problem. The problem is you kept files. Yeah, should be like me. Oh, so this is what happens to me. Disorganized. So I'm the first guy that gets audited. I'm the very first club in the Bay Area that gets audited by this chick, right? So they come in and they audit me. And of course you checked my last five years, fucking almost every trainer that's worked there has it was caught for this. So of course they can't fire the whole staff and fire me. So I get this huge warning and there's this big old deal. Well, I call all the rest of my peers and tell guys like you, hey, they're coming in and this is what they're looking for. Get rid of any documentation that you have. So they, everybody else fucking shredded their shit, lit it on fire, got rid of any of these old files that could get them in trouble. And so I was the guy who was known for having the club that had all the bad dirty trainers that work for them. And it's like, no, you motherfucker, everybody did it. I just happened to be the first one. And then so first I was black ball for that. Well, the way a lot of clubs would do it too is they would have the trainers get those signed off but then work the floor, get paid and all that. Yeah, they still had to work. Yeah, they still were on the clogs with that. But it was totally, it was fraudulent. 100% it was fraudulent. But, you know, as a 20 year old kid when I came in, I was trained to do that. I was taught like, oh, this is what you do. You know, if they don't want them, you just sign them off and you can just clock them in when you're doing your floor hours and get paid more. I was like, oh, cool. So I was on the hustle whenever I could to get people who, if you didn't want them, I would work my ass off to convince you to come in to sign them off so I could get paid more money while I was working the floor. So yeah, it just sucks that it was, that happened first. It took me a good four or five years to get my name back like as far, then I'm the top guy forever, right? And so now I'm getting looked at like, okay, he's the man, maybe I'm up in line for being a DM. And then that happens, it was just like, that was it, it was over for me, you know what I'm saying? Like from then on, I was like, they're forever gonna keep me in this position, cause they're not gonna fuck me. If there's a list, if there was a list in those days of like the actual black list, right? These top performers we can't get rid of, but we can't really do anything else with them because they're, you know, I guarantee you, I know Adam's name was on there and my name was on there for sure, for sure. And mine was on there mainly because I had a big mouth. Cause I used to talk a lot of shit. And because I did walk out, that's right. I did walk out and quit like that. And the whole staff left with me. I forgot about that part. That was pretty, that was pretty bad. Dude, so my, so I gotta give you, share a little story with you guys. Either my girlfriend has the best immune system on the planet or that four-sigmatic chaga is fucking magic. Oh, she been taking it consistently? So she had, I wish I liked it more. So people are getting, you don't like the taste? Yeah, I can't get both. It's mushrooms, bro. I know, I know I'm having a really hard time getting by it. You gotta give me some, you gotta come up with some, there's gotta be some recipes for it to make it better. It's fucking, just drink it. Just allow the health benefits of it. Fuck you, bro. You're a fucking weirdo. Hold on, hold on, you got, you must be, you're talking about the tincture. I'm talking about the four-sigmatic powder that they actually, that they played a little bit. I'm not a big fan of it. I'm not a big fan of the taste either. So I'm trying to, and you gotta remember right now you got me taking all this other shit too that tastes like dog shit. I can't just eat dog shit all day long just for the better of my, I can't do it. You make it sound like it's a big bowl of dog shit that you're eating. It's literally fucking, you can put it in six, like even six ounces of water and just shoot it. That's, I mean, that's what I have to, but it still leaves a, the ashwagandha, the tincture is- Well tincture's that, it tinctures in a whole another ball game. That's what I'm talking about. Well, you remember, you got me doing that too. So I'm doing that, plus I'm taking the pills, plus I'm putting red lights on my balls. I'm doing all kinds of shit right now. Are you doing the red lights on the balls too? Yeah, I'm doing all this kind of crazy shit. Wait, hold on a second. The red lights are still in here. You've been shining your balls in the gym. Yeah, whatever I can. I'm gonna take it home though, by the way. Just see this now. Please, thank you. And don't touch your balls on it. I don't want that happening. Taylor gets all uncomfortable. He walks in and I have my pants down. I don't want balls. You gotta be careful walking around here. I don't think you're supposed to get closer in six inches. Yeah, that's as close as I get. Yeah, exactly. It still gives you two inches. You just can't get excited. So anyway, so my girl was, because I had some kind of virus and I think that's why I got that vertigo, which I had another fucking episode this morning. But anyway, she got really, she got swollen glands. She was getting really hot, her ear hurt. She had, looked like she had a fever. So I give her elderberry and then I give her chaga and she goes to sleep and fucking, she wakes up with nothing. Totally fine. Totally fine. I really believe that we all have this window. Like when you feel like something coming on and like being proactive versus like, am I sick? I'm not sure. I don't know, man. Some people's immune systems are just, my girl just, you know, but I gave her the chaga. So I'm gonna, and we are sponsored by them. So I'm gonna give them credit. For sigmatic chaga, cured her illness. Oh, look at that, dude. Look at this. Just like that. Just a blanket statement. Yeah, I'm saying. I want you, because you're the one who, you drink it the most. And I'm not, I'm totally not anti-drinking it because, but I feel like I'm already drinking coffee. I have my, like my, we drink tea every once, hot tea every once in a while. I got, there's gotta be a way to dress it up. Yes. There's gotta be a way to dress it. You know when you drink your Diet Coke? I haven't been drinking that right now. Don't lie to me. No, I'm not, I'm not right now. Back to just Katrina wanted to pick up Coke Zero and I'm like, no, we've had it the week before. You've had no Diet Coke the past couple of days. Not a couple of days. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had it about a week ago. Oh, okay. Oh, that's not bad. Just addin' like steamy. No, dude, I'm very, I openly admit and talk about this show and show if others can grow and learn from my bullshit doesn't, but I do not condone people drinking Diet Cokes every single day. And I for sure can become that guy. And I'm very aware when I've been putting some streaking, and for me, it's easy because I feel like my body expresses it. When I'm drinking Diet sodas, I definitely hold water weight in my face. We always talk about my fat face, right? So. Yes. All the time. Me and Justin talking about it. We were talking about before we saw you there. It's extra bad when I'm drinking soda or if I got wheat, if I got gluten in the diet. So if I got gluten in the diet, if I drink those two things, and my psoriasis, psoriasis not so much connected to the diet sodas. That's more to the wheat. Yeah, that's more to the wheat side. But the puffiness and the holding water, for sure to the soda. I definitely get bloated from it. And it's crazy, and I never really noticed this until I really tried to actively stop drinking it so much. After my first drink of the soda, as much as I love it, I have to do this major burp right afterwards. Like right away, and my burps are nasty. And so it's like, my stomach's like telling me it doesn't belong in the diet. All this sounds amazing. But yeah, it's crazy because I'm addicted to the artificial sweetener that's in it. And so my body, I want it, right? My brain wants it. But my stomach is obviously rejecting it. I don't burp all day long, then all of a sudden I take a sip of this. It's also the aspartame in there. Some people will argue, can act like an excitotoxin to your brain. So it might not be good for your brain either. So I would suggest using lion's mane to combat that. And every time I openly talk about stuff, I get this flood of fucking like advice, dude. I got it. I know I'm not supposed to be drinking it. I openly share it with you guys, so you guys know we're fucking human too. When there's a bunch of DMs right now. I do, I get tons of DMs. Dude, dude, do this, do this, do this. Everybody wants to be the professional, the fucking told me how to handle my fucking issue here. Sometimes it's helpful though, you know? Even you found and researched, as far as my heart burns concerned, somebody else DMed me like the same exact thing. Maybe you should try this in the H.E.L. pills. And I was like, okay, fuck it. If I'm getting this from a couple of people, I'll give it a shot. The best advice I've got so far with the whole psoriasis and issues to deal with has been the vitamin D thing for sure. But that was a missing piece that I hadn't connected yet, and that's helped out. As far as like the whole soda thing, that's purely an addiction thing. I'm purely addicted to artificial sweeteners. I'm 100% aware of it. And you know, I also want to live my life too. There's certain things that I like a soda with, you know what I'm saying? And I just prefer diet soda over regular soda. I don't, regular soda is just like way over sweet for me. I don't like the way it tastes, it's just the, and there's certain things that I want that with. And so I try and find balance to where it's like, it's not something I want to catch myself doing every single day, but it's something that when I occasionally want it with something, I do that. But I know real quick, when I haven't had it in a while and I introduce it, it's, you know, you notice right away like how fast my body gets back to wanting it the whole time. So. We got some goodies from. Oh, I was like waiting for the bird. Yeah. We're doing another unboxing. Ooh. We are. We just thrive unboxing. What did you get us today, Doug? Oh, you know, it's three days till Christmas when this airs. So I got some holiday stuff. Oh, that's right. Yeah. I forget Christmas is coming. I know, it's like right, it's this week dude. Yeah. This is a weekend. All right, what's first, Doug? Did you get one, something for each of us or one thing for all of us? No, we can share it. Okay. A lot of sharing. Look at that. We're not good at sharing. We've got ourselves a gluten-free graham cracker crust. Anybody who wants to make it for pie. Oh, for pie. Oh, wow. Like a cheesecake pie or something. Oh, that's good. Oh, that is cool. I feel less horrible about myself. And some organic pudding. Oh. So you can fill that pie with that pudding. I feel like Adam loves pudding. Yeah. Tell us once you were a big pudding fan. Did you buy that protein pudding? I didn't. Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's what you were thinking about. That's what I was thinking about. I haven't had pudding in a really long time. Oh, that would be interesting. I used to as a kid I liked tapioca. Oh, I loved tapioca. I used to love it. I never liked it. I liked the chocolate. Yes, I'm not a big chocolate guy. Like a chocolate pudding, chocolate ice cream, two chocolate. Yeah, I'm just like chocolate peanut butter. I'm a vanilla guy. I'm a vanilla guy. Go for me. Are you vanilla or chocolate, Sal? Vanilla. So you're chocolate, Justin. He's chocolate. He's like a girl. Yeah, I like that chocolate. I could see chocolate all over his face. Can you picture him eating ice cream go? Just chocolate all over his face. Everything ends up all over my face. I don't have to. We've seen it. Exactly. You guys always take pictures, talk shit. It's fine. All right, Doug. All right, we've got coconut cream in a can. Oh, excellent. I'll take that. Organic, heavy, coconut cream. That's cool, coconut cream. If you want to make a bulking shake, you want to gain weight and you can't have dairy. It's like a topper. It's like a non-dairy topping. Or throw some of that in your coffee. Doug just basically put together an excellent pie. Are you making us a pudding pie right now? Oh, yeah. What's next? Another can of that. OK, good. So two of those. You know what, I want to try it. Now that you refilled the nitro brew, I'm going to take that coconut cream and mix it with some of our nitro. That's a good idea. And I bet you make a nice one. Genius. Yes, that's going down right now. Did you order Justin's organic dildo, finally? It has to be organic. Yeah, like it has to bio disintegrate or something. OK, we got some epic bone broth. And it's turkey cranberry sage. Oh, I love that. Now I know you fuck with the bone broth the most. Like, do you put it on your steak? Or what do you use it the most? What do you mean, what do I just drink it? What, you're just fucking weird, dude. You never had soup? I'm glad we have some people that connect with you. Hold on a second. You never had soup before? Yeah, you can put it in the soup, right? You never drank soup? Yeah, of course, people. OK, it's the same fucking thing. You warm it up and you drink it like soup. It tastes good like that? Fuck yeah, it's good. Really? Yes. It's good. I liked it on my steak, you know what I'm saying? It sounds like a good vegetable. Like a gel on your steak. It's good. It goes with the steak, but I can't manage drinking it. Get some broth from there. No, we have more. This is epic turkey bites. Oh, cool. Beef turkey or turkey jerky? Oh, man. Turkey jerky. Turkey jerky. Dude, we have a whole family of turkey that just like. Now are these, is this all Thrive Market brand or are these other off brands? No, these are all different brands. OK. No Thrive in this one. No Thrive in this one? Except for these that Justin's asked for peanuts, because I never get peanuts. Yes. You misunderstood him. I'm a peanut fan. Are they salt? No, no, no. You misunderstood him. He didn't say, Justin didn't say, I don't, he did not say. Salty peanuts. Peanuts. He said peanuts. He said, I want peanuts. Peanuts, Doug, peanuts. Are those, are those salty or unsalty? Yeah, I was just hitting on them. They're salted. Oh, they're salted. Oh, good. That sounds good right now. And then the last thing is we got some organic candy canes, so they must be healthy. Did you guys see the post that had a bitly? Candy canes. So we had to, we did candy canes this year. So our Christmas tree upstairs is like, I themed, right? Have I ever told you guys my issue with Christmas trees and the whole thing, the whole theme? No, no, I know you go all out with these decorations. Yeah, so I'm all into the decoration thing. But I'm also, so going back to like, it's funny how these things, like I didn't put this together until I got older. Like when I first started, I first got my house and then I started Christmas decorating, I do like, you know, go all out on it. But it has to, I like it to look fucking really good. And when I was a kid, like we just, we couldn't do that. We couldn't afford all these really cool decorations all over the house, some of that. So my mom made do with what we had and shit. And it looked like fucking Charlie Brown-esque, you know what I'm saying? Like our Christmas tree, we had the Christmas tree that had like popcorn on it, had the fucking all the different colors, match, the top lights were like solid red. The bottom ones were like the multi-colored and then one more string of the strand was like flashing. It was just like, you know, whatever we could put together to put it all together. And now the rest of my siblings, I think they all love it like that and that's fine. But for me, like, I like the Macy's tree. You know, like it has to be, it's like, it has a theme. It's themed, it has a color, it has a color coordinated, like the lights match with the ornaments that you have on there. What's your theme? This year it's just, it's red and white, right? So everything's red, everything's red and white. So all the lights are red or white, all the ornaments are red or white, and there's candy canes because it's red and white. So this year we did candy canes. Well, I haven't done candy canes on my tree in a long time. We put them on, we put them all over the tree, not thinking that the boys would want peppermint fucking candy. Your dog ate it? Yeah. And I don't know why I didn't. Did they get sick? No, they were fine because they only had one. That was, I saw, we saw the wrapper on the floor with the, oh, son of a bitch. But remember last year, I told you guys what happened with Bentley where he ate a joint, he ate the whole joint because it was wrapped in peppermint wrapping. And I should have fucking thought of that. I totally forgot about that. I didn't think that the dogs would go, they're not like that, they don't go eat just anything. They're like super particular about what they eat. And they, I didn't think they would eat that. But he likes peppermint. He must like peppermint. So Bentley has a thing for peppermint. He's a Christmas dog. Bring on the bird. This clause brought to you by Organified. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organified fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic super foods to help give your health and performance the added edge. Try Organified, totally risk free for 60 days by going to Organified.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com and use a coupon code MINEPOMP for 20% off at checkout. A first question is from AC Longyear. Is it still wise to feed a cold and starve a fever? Hmm, Angela, she's a good friend of mine. This is a really good question right here. You know, I always tell people- Yeah, what's your experience with this? So I tell people tons of water because I think that the most common thing I think people don't drink a lot of water during this time. I think if I were to look back at all the times that I was sick, I neglect how much fluid that I'm drinking. And anecdotally speaking, when I make myself like I go, okay, I'm gonna get a half a gallon of water today while I'm swimming, I feel so much better, so much, I recover a lot faster. So that's all normally like the first go-to, I say that. You've got me on the Edelberry going, now doing that every time. Elderberry. Did I say Edelberry? Edelberry, Edelberry. I keep doing that, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bro, that's what I'm doing. I love, can I tell you something? You just battle acts. You love that I have the words. You love I have the words. If you were to all of a sudden start pronouncing all words accurately, I'd be sad inside. Can we? I love that about you. I think we need an audible book. You know, if we ever do a MINEPOMP book, I want to amderead it. You have to. I love that you did that. You know why this is why it works? It's charming. Most really, really other intelligent men that I meet. It's just you have a lazy tongue. That's all it is. It is a lazy tongue. It is. Because the brain see it. I don't know. The brain see it. If you were to ask me to take like all the words that I fuck up, the irony in this is if you were to ask me to take like a spelling test, like you gave me all the words, I'd spell it, right? If I had to sit there, sound it out, dude. But for some reason, my tongue just don't keep up with what the fuck's going through the brain every now and then. We've said it, I've had those a million times. You think I'd fucking know how to say it, right? You know, the irony of this, so old wisdom, sorry, I'm eating some of this Thrive Market jerky. Yeah, turkey jerky. So the irony of this is that's an old ad. It's been around for a long time. In fact, some of the earliest records of this advice of feeding a cold, starving a fever, date back to 1500s, believe it or not. Wow. That's the oldest that we've seen, but we've also heard philosophers talking about how fasting is the best way to cure an illness. Yeah, yeah. So this advice has been around for a long time. And one of the things that we tend to do with old advice is if it doesn't have a scientific study backing it. We dismiss it. We dismiss it completely. But the reason why something has lasted as long as it's lasted, because many times. It's worked for a lot of people. Is that there may be some truth. Right, I was gonna say, this is definitely one of those I feel like I've applied for the most part. I mean, and it has held up just in my own experience and experience with people around me. Yeah, we find this to be, in fact, actually, okay. So the funny thing is I actually looked this up when I was writing the question down, I looked it up and they did do a study on this, on this exact thing. And they found that with animals, with mice, when they have a viral infection, if they feed them, they tend to get better sooner. If they have a bacterial infection, if they feed them, not only do they not get better sooner, but some of them actually die. Well, that makes sense because you're feeding the infection. You're feeding the bacterial infection if you're giving it food. So by starving it, you're hoping you're gonna start off and kill it, right? They took it a step further and they said, okay, well, what is it about the food that is causing the infection caused by bacteria to get worse? And so they took these mice and they gave them this drug that blocks glucose metabolism so that they could feed the animals or whatever and they're not gonna process sugar and the animals did just fine. So they identified it was the sugar. It was glucose or carbohydrates or sugar that was bad for bacterial infection. And the theory, the current theory is that some of these bacteria produce these inflammatory byproducts that affect the brain. And if the brain runs off of ketones, then it can handle it much better. If it's running off of sugar, it can't because sugar itself, sugar metabolism causes a lot more waste products. In fact, scientists will say that running off of ketones is a cleaner source of fuel for the brain. This is why people in, you know, who have like Alzheimer's and stuff seem to do better when they go on a ketogenic diet or when they supplement what you've done. That sharpness, that clarity, you know, when you're fasted for quality of time. Glucose metabolism, you could have an issue with glucose metabolism. So what they're saying, what the researchers are saying is that, you know, starving a fever is probably a smart thing. And feeding a cold, which is viral, because colds are viral, it's also probably a smart thing. Here's the thing. I thought about this for a second afterwards as well. And I said, okay, am I hungry when I have a cold? And the answer is yes. When I have a cold, I usually don't have a problem with my appetite. But when I have a fever, I for sure don't want to eat. For sure, when I have a fever, I don't, I want to stay away from food. And this is observed in all animals. When there's an acute infection, all animals will self-administer a form of anorexia where they don't want to eat. Right. You see this very natural thing. We just talked about this the other day. This is what you see with dogs. Like dogs, if they have a stomach, they've got something going on with their stomach and they're bothered by it, though they're not going to eat their food. Like you put a bowl of food in front of them, they won't eat it. They'll go out, eat grass, make themselves throw up and they'll refrain from food. And it's also when you know to take your dog in was if he hasn't ate any food for 24 or 48 hours, he keeps going on. Then you take him in because you, right, he could have something seriously going on inside of him, right? Yeah, so. Not just like a normal little thing. It's funny because we tend to forget listening to our body. We want to ignore it so bad. We think we know what's best and your body's literally telling you don't eat. So that's probably what's gonna be best for it. Fluids are important though. I think, like you said, dehydration is one of the biggest, especially with kids, when kids are sick. That's what I, That's the most common thing. That's the most common thing for me with clients and helping people and myself that has been the biggest game changer was. And I remember it wasn't until like years later being a trainer that I ever even looked into my, I paid attention like, how much water do I drink? And I had my gallon and I was like, oh shit. I'm laying around for two, three days sick. And I didn't even put like a whole two glasses of water down. Like let me try and like actively drink and drink and drink and flush and flush. And then all of a sudden I was like, oh shit, I went through that cold way faster by making sure that I was drinking a lot of fluid. So that's the first one. But let's talk about, I mean, since we're here, what are some of the tips that you guys give clients and protocols like nutritionally, liquid or fluid-wise, everything like that that you would do for each of these? I know you're big on also zinc too. Yeah, so if you're, so few things, if you're getting sick or you feel like you're getting sick, rest is very important. That doesn't mean you need to necessarily not move or doing anything. So what about the whole theory of sweating it out? Like going in a sauna or doing cardio to sweat. I know people that have done that before too where they don't feel good and they intentionally try and go to sweat, sweat out. The problem is just like a rhino virus versus like. No, see, here's the problem. The problem with stressing your body with exercise, exercise strengthens the immune system afterwards. I agree, I just wanted to hear what you had to say. No, during, in fact, there's been cases of people having infections and then forcing themselves to work out and getting the infection so bad that they die because it's forced the infection deeper into the lungs or it's forced the infection through the bloodstream to the heart, exercise temporarily weakens the immune system because it's a stress on the body. Now that doesn't mean you shouldn't do anything. Like I think going outside, getting some fresh air and some sunlight and going for a walk is probably a good thing partially because you're getting some circulation wise too. Yeah, and you're also getting some sunshine and that vitamin D is good for that. But I would avoid foods that irritate your gut because your gut, if your gut is off, you get that kind of inflammation. It's gonna inhibit your body or reduce your body's ability to fight infection. So I would stay away from foods I'm intolerant to. I would rest, not exercise. Elderberry's one of the few natural things that has been shown to actually reduce the ability of a virus to replicate. So I would go- What about Echinacea? Echinacea's up in the air. The studies on Echinacea are 50-50 as to whether or not it's beneficial or not. So, but that's one of them, right? Chaga, we just talked about chaga. Chinese medicine will recommend mushrooms quite a bit. Chaga being one of them, Raishi being another one. Four sigmatics, got good ones. Zinc, lozenges. When you suck on zinc, the coating of zinc in the back of the throat, it creates a surface where the rhinovirus can't adhere to and replicate. So then it just goes down and you digest it so you don't replicate the virus in the back of your throat and get the sore throat and all that stuff. Well, and you see to people they wanna get as much vitamin C as possible, which I always am very cautious there's these products like your vitamin C, like the instant vitamin C and they try and overly do vitamin C like crazy, not knowing, it's a vitamin just like any of the rest, you can overdo it. So, most studies will show no benefit from vitamin C, but some studies show that in the early stages of a viral infection, if you mega-dose vitamin C, it reduces the severity and then cuts off days. Which is why there's a huge market around emergency and airborne and these kinds of things. But you gotta hit it early, right? That's the thing. That's the key. That's what I met earlier when we talked about that, like I really feel like, and that's a major, like there is, I believe everybody has this window and it's uniquely different for everybody that, okay, if I even think remotely my body's feeling off and I get on top of that and I start drinking the emergency early, I do tend to feel like sometimes I can either one mitigate how bad the cold is or go through it a lot faster versus me going like, I'm not sure if I don't feel well, no. I think I'm okay and then waking up in the morning going like, oh, fuck, I'm sick, you know? And then by that time, it's too late. Emergency, I can take all the emergency I want. I don't feel like I'm making a difference. Yeah, the biggest thing, because we're in the season, right, where people are getting sick, the... That's why this was a good question. The biggest one is when you get a viral infection or a viral, you know, sickness, like a cold, and then it turns into a secondary, acute bacterial infection. Or so, a lot of times you'll see people who'll get a cold and then the cold will kind of start to go away but then they get a sinus infection. And this is a big problem with a lot of people because then in sinus infection, now you're dealing with something that is a big pain in the ass. Most sinus infections are viral contrary to popular belief. Most of them are not bacterial. But one of the best ways to prevent a sinus infection is to keep mucus moving or draining properly. So steam is really good. Mucinex, I don't know if you guys ever take, you know the drug, mucinex or whatever. That thins mucus, so that can help. I actually read a study that when people did mucinex and pseudofed at the early stages of a cold, it like dramatically reduced their potential or their infection rate. What about that flush that people do too for... Nasal flush? You're talking about the netipot. Netipot, yeah. So netipot... I use that for my allergies. Yeah, netipot's good for allergies but let's say you have bacteria in your sinuses. Or if you have inflammation in there and you don't wanna be squirting that up there when you're all inflamed. Or let's say you have a virus, right? Sometimes blowing your nose really, really hard or using a netipot will force the virus into the smaller crevices of the sinuses that don't necessarily drain as well. And then they sit there and then that's when it manifests into a sinus infection that's happened to me before where I have a cold. Yeah, I've only used the netipot for my allergies. I haven't. I've never used it to see people use it. I use it a lot for my allergies. It's a game changer. So just the other day, we had that really windy day we had. Dust everywhere and so like that. Man, you heard me this morning sneezing already. Like my allergies have been on fire the last few days because of that really windy day. Going in there and doing a netipot, like night and day difference for me for that. For that, like I wouldn't use it for... I've never used it for a cold or a sickness like that. Yeah, the cool thing too about something like elderberries, you can give it to your kids. So that's what I do when my kids start getting sick, I'll give them the elderberry. And it's like I said, it's one of the few things that actually has real studies showing that it has some efficacy against. What's your thoughts on this? So again, I'm speaking this totally anecdotal life with myself. I was always somebody who used to, I used to get sick a lot. Like it was multiple times a year. I get a pretty good cold and it would knock me down for a couple of days. And I used to just think it was, oh, I have a weak immune system and I'm around a lot of people touching a lot of weights. That's just me. I don't hardly ever get sick. And the one thing that I've noticed that was the biggest difference, and I feel like this is connected to this, was when I started doing a lot of hot cold contrast. I felt like when I started training, training a whole, the hot cold contrast, it changed the game for me with getting cold. It was immediately that year that going forward after that, where I was like, I don't ever get sick anymore. I feel like I never get sick. I mean, when I did get sick, it wasn't as nowhere near as bad. The only time like I wouldn't even really get sick was, especially when I was in Chicago in the extreme, going from that 30 degree below and then getting into like a spring where it was like all of a sudden now it's like, 80, 90 degrees and just that sharp contrast would just like hammer me. And then I would feel the effects coming on. It's got immune boosting effects for sure. There's a lot of little things you do or a lot of things you can do that'll boost your immune system or strengthen or balance your immune system, but nothing, nothing is more important than having a healthy gut for the immune system. That's a fact, 100%. Okay, so since you say that, then the argument then to what I've been doing, because I've also changed my diet, ever since we went keto, I don't even come close to consuming the amount of processed foods, carbohydrates and things that I used to in the past. So I mean, you could attribute it to being, having a better gut in addition to also trying that. Because it was a drastic difference for me. I mean, I'm not kidding. Like I get sick quite a few times in a year and Katrina and I were just talking about this the other day. I was sick around you, Sal was sick around you and you didn't get sick. Like I'm like, I know, I don't ever get sick now. It's crazy. I used to remember when we first started the podcast and you'd come in and I'd be so mad at you. I'm like, fuck, I'm sick, 100%. Like there's no way I'm not getting it. I have that week of immune system that if I was close to somebody who was sick, it was inevitable I'm getting it and I would get it worse than you. Where I've been around you guys and you guys have all been sick in the last. We make out all the time, you know. Yeah, I haven't been sick. So it could be, so if you say the gut, I mean, maybe it's a combination of that, right? Of meat, my gut and in addition to that, training the hot cold contrast, that's been the biggest game changer. Well, that's it too. So as far as like consuming fermented foods and like introducing like a better bacteria in there, like what do you suggest with that? Like as far as like kombucha's and adding in, maybe like, you know, that is some form of. Fermented foods have been staple foods for humans for a long time and they have health benefits, but it's beyond that. Really, it's just preventing the constant inflammation that we cause in our gut, the damage. Like if you just do that, I think you've probably, you're 90-something percent there. You know what I mean? Just reduce your exposure to foods that cause problems for you with your gut and a lot of it is these highly processed type of foods that we eat or foods that we eat that give us indigestion or these little minor issues that we tend to ignore. Like avoid those for a while and see what happens. You don't wanna add more gasoline to the problem. Next question is from Maloha Jules. My husband recently bought MAPS Performance. He would like to implement it along with CrossFit. In your interview with Jason Kalipa, he said he could see benefits of Crossfitters using MAPS Performance. Any suggestions on how to do both would be great. That's an interesting question. So MAPS Performance is the program that we have that's based around, we call full spectrum athletic performance. So the ability to be able to do multiple forms of activity, strength, speed, agility, in different planes of movement, good mobility. General athletic pursuits that are just gonna benefit you in any direction. Now, nothing's gonna get you better at doing CrossFit than doing CrossFit. Yeah, this is really tough because I actually don't think- This is so specific. MAPS Performance was actually our answer to CrossFit. Like for people who love to do that type of a workout. You'll get a similar feel. It was designed to, it was better programming, in our opinion, that was more organized than just the wad of the day. So it was really more the answer to CrossFit. Honestly, I feel like if someone was to use something in conjunction with CrossFit, like you're like, I wanna be good at CrossFit, I'm gonna do CrossFit. I would recommend Prime and Prime Pro with it. That complements CrossFit better than- If you're in CrossFit, right? So like, if I look at it like this, like if this is like your off-season training, if you actually took an off-season for a sport like CrossFit, if you treat CrossFit as a sport, right? So if I went through that and I went to my foundational pursuits of like, I wanna build up my max strength. I wanna build up, you know, strengthen multiple directions. I wanna build up my endurance and build up my tank and my capacity. Like that's MAPS Performance. I'm reinforcing all those, you know, pursuits. And then that goes into season, which now CrossFit, I'm working on the skill specifically. So you would have to kind of, if you're, you'd have to still incorporate CrossFit, but like a very light version of that, you know, just to maintain the skill of like going through those movements. Yeah, what would you do? Would you like, because I'm thinking too, you gotta think of our mobility days on there. Like, I either one, I would follow my CrossFit days and then every other day, you are my mobility days. Or I would do like a, like you said, I would follow MAPS Performance to a T leading up to my CrossFit programming. But I'm assuming that this person probably belongs to a CrossFit gym. They're paying a hundred something bucks a month or whatever it is. And they're working out there with a class. How do you incorporate MAPS Performance in that setting? I would say, I would, so the MAPS Performance has three foundational or for, you know, what we call foundational with the hard workouts a week and then in between our mobility sessions. I would say do, if you wanna do both, do one wad a week and do two pick two foundational workouts a week from now. That's a good strategy. So now you've got your three intense workouts and then do all the mobility sessions in between. Right, for sure. And then you'd be pretty much. I like that. I think you'd be pretty much that. I like that. If you're really into CrossFit and you're gonna compete in CrossFit, you're gonna probably wanna follow specific CrossFit programming. If that's your goal. Now if your goal is because you like to take CrossFit classes, you like to be in the box, you like to, you know, that's your kind of workout that you enjoy. You wanna be fit. Then what I just said, you know, two MAPS Performance foundational workouts, one wad and you're setting, it's got a similar feel, you know, it's got to, if you enjoy that type of a workout, it's gonna be similar with MAPS Performance. It's just, we programmed in a way where we eliminated some of the movements in the programming of CrossFit that can cause problems and we replaced them with others. We put them in different orders. Yeah, and I like your guys' idea of like really having them focus on Prime, Prime Pro, because I also look at it, if you look at it like an Ironman, like somebody's pursuing like an Ironman where they're having to do multiple things to their body where it's like, man, their joints are really getting exposed because their output is so high. And so, you know, your output's very high going through these like rigorous workouts. So, you know, that's the real focus is like how do I preserve my body? To me, that's what I, anybody who's a Crossfitter that's like, oh, I love CrossFit, but what would you guys recommend to me? It's always Prime, Prime Pro. Prime, Prime Pro, to me, because it can compliment what you're already currently doing, you don't need to really change what you're doing. Like if you're like Sal said, you love the classes, you love following the law of the day and stuff like that, you're not really hung up on, is this the best programming for me to get the most results? You're just about the whole process of enjoying the process, then that's fine. You could totally still do that. And by introducing Prime and Prime Pro into your routine, pre, post workout and on your off days, that right there is gonna compliment your CrossFit, you know, whatever they, I don't even like calling it programming because it's not programming, it's wads, right? Your CrossFit wads, I think that's a great way to do it. Jacob T. Mertens, what fitness categories do you see breaking through in the future? Oh, that's kind of cool. Yeah, I'm trying to wrap my brain around that one. What do I see? What do we see that's kind of blowing up right now? Fitness categories? Yeah, how would you, I wish you gave an example of what he meant by a category because there's a lot of things I can think of and like modalities, like different modality, like do we see like another CrossFit arising or like another orange theory or something like that coming up? Like are we going that direction? Like are we talking like VR? Are we talking like, you know, like brain training? Like, that's how we're mind-mined. Okay, so that's a good direction. I think there's, and we're seeing it happen right now, we just interviewed Dave Asprey recently and there is this huge push around the whole training the brain. Like training the brain is becoming so important and so cool and so trendy right now that that's turning into a whole category that I think that some people will be like, oh, you train this, you train, oh, I'm into training my brain. You know, I train my brain. I don't know about it. You might be living to weights. I don't care about my brain, which is my operating system that runs everything. So you could have cool muscles, but if you're not training your brain, you know. Like so, I feel like with all the new tropics and everything coming out and stuff like that and all the different, you know, putting stuff on your head, halo and all that shit like that. So I think that's a good, that's a good one. I think it's easy. So tribalism is a very, something very predictable with people. So if you create some kind of a tribe feel to something, then it's gonna get popular. So in intensity is something that's very, attractive in fitness. Anytime you get a group of people together and you beat them up really hard with some kind of shared experience, like a war story. Yeah, then you're gonna tap into something that has got some type of viral quality. You know, CrossFit did it, you know, Orange Theory's doing it. I see that being, I don't see, I see that continue to grow. I see more small group type training with different themes or different, you know, fads. Well I see, okay. So I see it more like Peloton. You guys are familiar with that, which is like, yeah. So it's, you're on a bike and you have a screen and all of a sudden everybody like logs in and it's like a streaming where you see everybody else like in their house, like riding a bike. And you have a shared experience, but it's virtual. So I feel like, and that's why I brought VR too. Cause it might get to that point where you put goggles on and like everybody's hanging out, you know, kind of like Facebook. It's like, hey, this is my friends, but they're not real, you know. But, you know, like they're real and it's not here. You know what's weird? Cause I was in, I was in the gym yesterday and I was listening, this girl was doing a workout just by herself, but like you could hear like the voice of somebody that was like coaching her through all these movements. And it was like very like, like every little step, she was just like doing everything to exactly what this instructor was telling her to do. And I was like, oh, that's interesting. I wonder if that's a thing, you know, like people are downloading this audio to where it's like telling them, okay, now we're starting. And then they actually grab the weights and, you know, do all this stuff like from the virtual training. You know what hasn't made a research, you know what's gonna probably make a resurgence? Cause fitness is so cyclical. I was gonna say, we should look at history more than anything else because history always repeats itself in one form or another, right? Yeah. So, so weights and kettlebells and irons been kind of popular for a little while. I bet you there's gonna be a body weight movement that's gonna explode. I bet you there's gonna be like some kind of like what's going on right now. It is. Yeah, but I could see like, I could see that being the big thing where it becomes this big tribe and we're doing it. It's already. Which one's better, weights or body weight? Well, when you look at people like Jiu-Jitsu and who's another guy that I talk to all the time, I think it's Michael Velasquez or Michael Chavez, I forget his name, but he's got like, I don't know, quarter million followers or whatever and he does all kinds of cool like break dancing, body weight, exercise stuff. Like that's pretty popular. I mean, we have that kid who came down here with us. She goes too far. Yeah, it's like anything else, you know what I'm saying? I think it's good though. I like it better than a lot of different things. Like I'd rather see people get so great at body weight movements, they can do all these crazy spins and weird shit, then. It just reminded me, cause like I was at this playground with my kids and we just walked to this playground that was like right down the street from us and this guy was there with like a couple other guys and they're all wearing like kind of Jenga pants and like fucking, I mean, they looked like they're about to hacky sack or like break dance. No, they were flipping and then like landing on the rail and like jumping and doing all this fucking shit. Like they called it like free running. So it's a lot like parkour, but now they're just doing like tricks off of like playground stuff. And I was like, is this a thing? They had like shirts and everything. Like it was like a crew. No way. Yeah, and then they went down and they were doing all these like, you know, like flippy stuff and basically stuff that I do that as a joke, you know, they were doing for real. Well, you know, okay. So we saw, you remember the barbell guys from New York? I mean, the pull-up guys from New York that made its way over to the West Coast and that became really popular is all the guy, I forget what their car. Bar guys or what? Yeah, the bar guys or whatever like that. All the dudes that were all jacked. Bar stars. Yeah, yeah, all that stuff. So that became really popular. We met those guys, Zood Fitness, I think is what they are, the jump rope guys. Remember that? Their whole like, their whole following is around like jump rope exercise and stuff. Yeah, it's always like one thing, you know, like, yeah. Yeah, you know, those type of things I feel like, I mean, they're always gonna be, I'm like Sal was saying, there's always gonna be, they're all gonna continue to grow. But niche though, like, do I see something blowing up to like CrossFit level right now? Like, I don't know. I don't know what that is other than orange stereo. I like to think that we're pushing, we're changing the way that people look at health and fitness. I think, because we're so anti-camp, you know, I think that message is becoming more popular that, hey, everything's cool. Try this out. The anti-camp will be branded. Right, it will. It'll be a camp. Of course, of course, of course. You know, for sure it'll be that way. Cause right now I feel like there's this, you know, back and forth of whose modality is better, which way is this and still that going on. And I feel like we're trying to push the message different, which is, listen, there's something to take away from all those things. All those modalities, they all got positives, but they also have negatives too. It's okay to admit that, you know, and find out what works well with you and your lifestyle or where you're currently at or what your current goals are. I think that message is getting more popular. Next up is Lauren's knives. There are a lot of pro bodybuilders advising to do low volume, high intensity training. Although they do take steroids, it looks like it works really well. What are your opinions on low volume versus high volume and moderate intensity versus high intensity? All different tools. All different tools, all different signals. You can utilize all of them to get your body to change and respond. This goes right into the question we were just saying about how camp, there's camps. Like this is- You can't just live in one versus the other. I think it's so funny. Especially for natural. I used to think it was so funny when I'd hear the bodybuilders like, oh, I don't do that because I'm not a power lifter. I don't do that because I'm not this. I'm like- Make my waist blocky. Like that's a stupid thing to say. Like that's just because you're like, if you're in a building your body, you should be doing different adaptations. Like that's what you should definitely do because then your body will respond to it. You're doing the same adaptation forever. Like so the bodybuilder thing that everybody does, which I'm so used to this is the is. It's the superset everything, burnout sets. Like it's lots of repetitions. Get the pump, you're maximizing pump. There's lots of benefits to that. It's amazing for you. And let me tell you, somebody who's always lifting strength, who stays in the three to five rep range and always lifts heavy in high volume, those people would benefit a ton from training that way. But a lot of these bodybuilders that have been training that way weekend, week out, month in, month out and some of them year in, year out that way. Dude, one of the best things they could do is completely go the opposite direction and train different than that. Train heavy ass weight, three reps, you know? That's right. All of these, so you can go extreme in either direction and it'll stop working for you, but volume is connected to muscle growth. So they've done studies where they'll have people they'll compare groups. And this group over here does five sets versus this group that does three sets. The five set group builds more muscle. So volume is their intensity is important too. Cause if you go too low of intensity, you're not sending really a strong signal. Although low intensity still sends a signal. And if you send it enough times for long enough, it'll still even build muscle. This is why you see people who, you know, like I've talked about before, blue collar workers who working with their hands all the time, they're not working with their hands to failure. They've been doing it for 20 years, and now they've got these muscular hands and forearms as a result, it's all valuable. It's all important stuff. The problem comes from, you know, finding something that works and then thinking that that's always gonna work. God, dude, it's the most common thing you see. And I swear to God, everybody does this. Everybody is guilty of this. If you're fucking listening to this, check yourself right now. Cause I know I did. I know everybody in this fucking room did. Everybody I've ever met does this. At one point in your fitness journey, you switched to something you read or someone gave you information like what we're talking about right now, and you did it and you saw the most change you've ever seen in your body, and then you identify with it. And you stay with it for weeks, months, sometimes years, because it works so well with you. That is so silly, and you're not looking at the complete picture. There's so many other factors on why. Well, they just don't know any better. Like, we'll get clients who are like, oh, you know, the best shape in my life was when I played soccer in college. So what I'm gonna do now, what do they call that? Cause I'm gonna go play soccer. Literally. What do they call it? Not imprint, but like, you know, in like a little baby chick or something like, looks at you as the mother, like, what's that called? I don't know. Come on, man. I'm not Google. Come on, yes you are, you sugo. Yeah, yeah, something like imprints itself on you. And like, so like forever, you're sort of like identified with that, you know? Here's the one rule you can count on, 100% when it comes to training and diet. Your body changes all the time. That's the one rule. So whatever you find that works for your body now, you can count, you can bet that it will not be the thing that always works for you forever. At some point, it's gonna be what your body doesn't need and your body wants something else. I've done all of this. I've trained where I've done one set to failure per body part and that worked for a very short period of time and then I switched to something else. What I find that works best for most people is a little bit more frequency. Not going to failure most of the time, but training intensely and then phasing different rep ranges and different exercises in and out of the workouts. That being said, if you really experience with your training, have fun trying different things, have fun going into today's leg day instead of doing my normal 12 sets for legs, I'm gonna warm up and then I'm gonna do one set to absolute failure for legs and that's all I'm gonna do today. Or normally I do 10 sets for legs. I'm gonna reduce the intensity and do 20 sets for legs or whatever, mess with these kinds of things and watch what happens to your body. And when it comes to pro bodybuilders, here's the thing. They're the worst people to look for advice. It's the bottom line. They are. Hey, fuck you, dude. Hey, man. Not all of them, bro. Hey, look. Come on, not all of them. Usually the case. That was an overjournalization, you asshole. Let me tell you something. For the most part, for the most part, the only people worse than pro bodybuilders for giving you training advice are people that have never exercised before. Pro bodybuilders, no exercises, they know body parts, they know that kind of stuff. But when you go ask a, and I'm talking about pro bodybuilders, when you go ask a genetically, genetic anomaly who also has been on gear and training. They don't know what the fuck to tell you. You're a regular guy. Like, what are you gonna tell me? In their defense, I have to defend them because there are, I'm not that way. Even though I was on juice, I was doing, I still understood nutrition. You identify as a pro bodybuilder? No, I don't. I don't identify, I don't identify, but I was one. So I can't be alone in this camp that I'm not the only smart bodybuilder out there. Although I will agree with you, that's, well, as far as giving advice. That shouldn't be your criteria. That shouldn't be your criteria while you take advice from somebody. Who would you trust to train your sister? A pro bodybuilder or a personal trainer with one year experience? You see what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, almost every time. Now, they're shitty trainers too. Right, right. That's what it's like, come on. But pro bodybuilders don't know very much about how to train people. The biggest and most common problem. They know how to train themselves. The biggest and the most common problem I see with pro bodybuilders, if we're totally over-generalizing right now, is most of them have done a really good job of figuring themselves out, right? They did a really good job of figuring themselves out. And so they make the mistake that, because it worked so well for them, that it should work for you and you just lack the discipline to do what they did. That's always stressed. Right, and so it's like, you just don't know how to sacrifice enough. You just don't know how to push yourself enough. You just don't go hard enough. You just don't go, you don't know, you don't eat. You're not disciplined when you eat. And so, because that's what worked for them. And we've seen this, we have friends like this that we've watched go to start businesses in the industry and they've been very successful getting themselves in shape and they're a bad ass at that. But they only have maybe a handful of people under their belt that they've actually trained and it takes hundreds of people that you've gone through that you realize like, oh shit, like all this bullshit that I've been applying to myself, maybe I'm unique. Bro, this is why a guy like Ben Picolsi stands out so much. He stands out like crazy because he knows stuff about exercise. He knows about training, he knows all that kind of stuff. But if you take a pro bodybuilder who's never really trained anybody, but has been in the gym for a long time, has been working out for a long time, the lens that they see training nutrition through is through their body. And you have, I hate to break this to you listener. You have zero in common with pro bodybuilders. You just do. I guarantee you 99.9% of you listening right now have nothing in common with the pro body. Your body doesn't respond like a pro bodybuilder does. If I was able to take the average person and place them in the body of a pro bodybuilder and they would be blown away by how the body responds. Have you ever- A big reason why we've had a lot of success is because we wrote programs for the masses. We didn't write programs for pro bodybuilders. The average person. And the truth is when you open up magazines, when you download a lot of the programs, it's appealing to all the pros and all the people. What do they do? This is how they train. It's the God thing. It's like, you put this person on a pedestal and you feel like, well, if they got there, I'm just gonna try and follow in their footsteps. Even if I can get a fraction of what they got. Dude, it's like, I don't know. Okay, look, we've been in gyms for a long time. I can think of maybe three people in my entire life where I would say that their genetics are maybe not pro bodybuilder because pro bodybuilder genes, I've only met pro bodybuilders but I've never met someone and said, that guy's got a pro, because there's so many factors. But I've known people who build muscles. You know someone like that, like Jason Sinatra. There you go. If you were to throw that guy on Anna Bulk steroids. Oh my God. You'd be Mr. Limbit. But I definitely have known a few people in my life and this is through the thousands of people that have walked through the gyms that I've worked in where you just, there's just another, it's just another type of human being. It's just rare. There was one guy that worked for me, he was a porter and this fucking dude had the worst diet I've ever seen in my entire life. Horrible. It was terrible. He would come into work in the morning and he would eat for breakfast a single pop tart. His lunch was a bologna and cheese sandwich and at night he'd have Chef Boyardee. He maybe consumed 40 grams of protein a day. Maybe, maybe consumed. He didn't have money to buy protein supplements. He didn't make, you know, we didn't pay him much, right? To clean the gym. And this guy would do skull crushers with 225 pounds. A barbell with 225 pounds. Skull crushers. He would not work out for a little while, take some time off, look more muscular than every trainer I had on staff. They need to work out for a week and I swear to God he'd gain 12 pounds of muscle every single time and I'd talked to him about it and I remember I'd grill him. Super responsive. Dude, I'd bring him in my office. I'd sit him down and be like, dude, just be honest with me. Like, what are you doing? Yeah, yeah. I swear to God, man. And I knew once I got to know him, he was telling the truth. And I've known a couple people like this. These people have nothing in common with average people. And if you were inside their body for a second, you'd go to the gym, work out, and the next time you go work out, you'd be like, oh, fuck, I grew already. So to get advice from these people on training, it's just, they just don't, they just don't relate. Just like anything else. A lot of times the greatest players don't make good coaches, you know? It's just that simple. They might have been- So they just hit the ball. Right, right. Yeah, exactly. That's how it worked for me. I just did a lot of it. I do it a lot. It's like a beauty pageant and it's like, I want to be hot like her. You know, it's like, no, you're not hot. Yeah, exactly. I mean, there's nothing you can do, sorry. But I mean, in the defense of the bodybuilders and the low volume, high intensity, absolutely it has merit. If you don't ever train that way, I bet you if you started training that way for the next four to six weeks, you'd see great benefits from that. But don't get stuck there. I mean, everybody I know that I've- Have fun, man. Have fun with your training. Right, and I think as you know, you should always be kind of checking yourself that whatever it is that you're following, I don't care what program, what CrossFit, what Orangestere, what thing you're doing, even if it's fucking maps, right? If you were following maps read, this is phase one over and over and over and over. It'll stop, it'll stop working. Right, yeah, we wrote that, it's fucking awesome, but you gotta get through it. You gotta go through it, you gotta move to the next phase. You know what I'm saying? That's the whole reason. That's why we phase all the programs. Excellent. Listen, go to YouTube, Mind Pump TV. That is the place to subscribe. We post new videos on fitness, nutrition. We do debates, controversy, comedy, all of it. Mind Pump TV on YouTube. Check it out. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. 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