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Oh always good to be on the show Tom very very excited to chop up Not only all the news but also some some real news you can use with the Equifax thing Oh, yes We are gonna get into not only the latest with Equifax and their latest admissions into how the vulnerability happened But also what you can do what you need to do or what you can consider doing to protect yourself If you are or think or fear that you are affected by this about half the country is So it's it's not a small chance Roger Chang is here as well Roger. How are you? I am good We were actually having a lovely discussion about optics and tech companies and government contracts So if you're a patron, you'll get to hear all that fun stuff Yeah, go check that out. It's in the the patron feed or it will be if you're watching this live Patreon.com slash DTNS. Let's start with a few tech things you should know Google has announced an event for October 4th expected to be new pixel phones It just says Stuff about phones and the date but but the website and the billboards and the videos show people typing things like Why can't my phone? Be nice to me Stuff like that various endings to the sentence meanwhile droid life's Kellan Bairinger noted that an FCC filing indicates that LG Seems to be the manufacturer of the pixel to XL. That's the large version Of course HTC is expected to be the company making the pixel to we'll find out all these details on October 4th Justin So this is the final entrant into the big debutants ball Flagship cell phones, right? Yes This is the last of the heavy hitters the grand holiday The coterie has assembled. Yeah, we have the HTC you 11. We have the LG V30 we have the essential We have the Samsung Galaxy S6 and the Note 8 and we've got the iPhone 8 and 10. Yeah, so yeah, oh and jammy jammy did theirs to the memix to there We go the final descendant of the ballroom staircase to Come out to all the phone buyers. Hmm. I can't wait Snapchat has launched 3d bit moji world lenses Which allow you to put 3d cartoon versions of yourself into real-world scenes on snapchat the 3d bit Moji's are animated and adapt as you walk around and move your phone I didn't show up for me yet, which I'm sure they're just rolling out so I'll probably see it later, but I Made an open snapchat for the first time in a while to check it out I like the idea of a little 3d me walking around with me. Is that that's really nurse is Well, I mean emojis are always very fun because they add that little extra, you know It gives you a little bit of that I just photoshopped this feeling without any of the work because they do do a great job of You know making these these great moments of explosion and emotion, but you know, this is the The next step forward on the dancing hot dog, right? It's the it's snapchats answer to an emojis, right? Yes, and no, I mean this is almost more of a An answer to Pokemon goes You know kind of a are have you gotten one yet cuz I'm curious exactly how they work I'm not although. I did see a guest on DTNS and a business insider gadget editor Steve Kovac took a red eye from from San Francisco to New York and then I had his little bit moji Moji Steve Kovac hanging out with him. There's a little Little Cove's just drinking his coffee today. So I did see one posted something So it doesn't turn him into the bit moji. It just shows up. No, it's another little sprite Effectively, it's it's Pokemon go it is Every little Pokemon right in front of your field of vision mini me is yeah Putting big tech companies in charge of what we should be allowed to see has blown back a little on YouTube in two instances this week YouTube has pulled a channel that posted North Korean state television programming Over fears that it might be controlled by the North Korean government And if it was that would violate us sanctions and companies are getting a lot of pressure to take responsibility for what's on their platform So they yanked that and the experts who analyze North Korea are a little upset because this was a useful resource in monitoring The country was an easy way to see what North Korea is saying about itself Which is important for analysts YouTube also pulled an Estonian Latvian animated short film villa and trope off For violating its nudity policy. There's brief drawn nudity in the short film This film however won an award at the 2012 Krakow Film Festival and was nominated for the best short film at the European Film Awards And supposedly a little nudity is okay in artistic situations according to YouTube But whoever reviewed this one didn't think it was now They could dispute this and get it restored, but the folks behind the film said we're not gonna argue with them We're just gonna leave it off and go to Vimeo Yeah, you know YouTube continues to have these kind of stories hit the press and and who knows how much You know the tail is wagging the dog in terms of they're stepping up You know demonetization and stuff like that whether or not these stories are just going to pop up More often than they would before but certainly the the idea out there is and very often It can be politically co-opted that Silicon Valley companies are censoring what you see To shape the world that you live in and I don't think that this is that There seem to be at least rules that they have previously set up or they're obeying with the rules that they Have to by law comply by but you know, certainly this story is out there that this narrative has been set Well, and I've seen a lot of people saying oh YouTube is silencing whatever this point of view. I agree with by demonetizing them And I've I've dismissed most of those because I'm like YouTube silences people all the time DTNS gets gets things about against it All the time because the bot mistakenly thinks we had copyrighted material and Lately because it thinks there's offensive material in DTNS I've disputed a half dozen of these over the past month and I didn't pay it No, never mind because I'm like, yeah, that's the way YouTube works It's got a crappy bot that misidentifies things all the time and you just have to dispute it and get on with your life But these two in particular I caught my eye because They were different Well, you know, this is an award-winning film. So it should have been Caught by a reviewer that says oh, yeah, no, that should definitely be an exception And and yet the whoever reviewed this passed it along through and and also with the North Korean state television Now maybe that maybe that film maybe the short film wasn't reviewed by a human Maybe it was a small enough channel that it didn't get reviewed. I don't know Yeah, and that I think is the larger and more consistent problem with YouTube is that their decisions are Mechanical and their changes or revisions to the decisions are far too slow and impersonal and yeah Sometimes it's a gigantic company that has to make a lot of these but That has always been sort of the push back to YouTube And they are putting machine learning into into play for things like extremist videos and terrorist videos So I'm sure eventually they they will roll that out more broadly and maybe that will finally improve the content ID bot. I don't know Meanwhile freelance video editor Keith Cremble emailed Craig Federighi with some questions about Apple's face ID Federighi responded saying face ID should work with most sunglasses He also said that it would be hard for someone to unlock your phone by pointing it at you You have to stare at the phone or it won't unlock plus if you grip the buttons on both sides of the phone it temporarily disables face ID Yeah, so okay, I have you know if if the if the person asked me to hand over my phone and I like ooh, they're gonna try to unlock it by pointing at my face. I grip it and hand it to them That's the idea Thief pulls it out of my hand. I don't have a chance to do that But then the the mitigation there is well, just don't don't stare at it Don't stare at the phone if they're pointing it at you, you know over your eyes and it shouldn't work Of course, that makes me wonder like so how fast does it open when I pointed, you know This is definitely gonna be slower than touch ID because I have to be pointing it at my face I also have to be looking at it. So I'm just I'm curious how that's gonna play in reality But it sounds like the fears of you know, anyone could just point your phone at your face are Partly overblown Well, yeah, I think that that's safe to say and again We do not know how this technology really works in the real world And we will only find out as soon as reviewers get their hands on it and they will say One of two things to me most likely either a this is better than you think it is and in fact It feels more of a seamless experience because there's no button that you have to press to unlock your phone be it Mechanical or otherwise or that this similar to touch ID is a good first draft and we will all look forward to iPhone X1 when face ID works better in the same way that touch ID worked better on its second go around. Yeah Absolutely The BBC has an article about Colu an Israeli digital currency company whose local pound liverpool has become frequently used mercy side Users get one local pound for every pound sterling. They add to the Colu app It's one for one no transaction fees Colu makes its money by charging 1.5% on the withdrawal So as long as you're just trading it around with other Colu users You don't lose a thing local businesses have embraced it because they avoid the fees associated with credit cards if I pay them They don't have to pay that transaction fee For instance the BBC describes that a customer buying a sandwich at Delhi Fonseca in liverpool used Colu Then Delhi Fonseca uses its Colu bucks to pay sugar and lime That's a company that it rents equipment from for catering sugar and lime on the other hand Would like to start paying its suppliers in Colu But until the suppliers start taking Colu because they're not all in liverpool It doesn't end up costing them much more than credit card fees would to just pull the money out So they're like, yeah, I will accept it. It doesn't have a huge benefit for us But I guess if it's a benefit for our customers, that's great Liverpool assistant mayor Gary Miller would like businesses to be able to pay their taxes with Colu Which would give sugar and lime another option to avoid the fee shifting it on to the city More than a quarter of a million local pounds have circulated so far in Liverpool according to the BBC So this is kind of a cryptocurrency, but it's not necessarily like a blockchain situation Or or an open Bitcoin situation. It's a company that's making money off of it, but it's apparently taken off Well, largely because the merchants have gotten behind it We saw this situation with Apple pay and Samsung pay all these NFC pay situations that You know, some of the the bigger volume convenient stores pushed back against it because They hoped that as technology shifts They would have the ability to save millions of dollars in credit card transaction fees And they were upset with the idea that if technology would give a new easy way to pay that they were still tied to credit cards this on the other hand is But exactly what they would want, you know that they would want you to effectively You know change your money into Disney dollars and you can pay to anybody that uses it This is also a great little case of adoption, you know That how much things get going if all of a sudden everywhere you go Takes it. Yeah, and it's a little bit better than things like Disney dollars or Xbox bucks because you can pull The money back out Yes, and you know exactly how much you're gonna lose when you do that, right? You're gonna lose 1.5 percent It's not a it's not a usurious amount when you pull it out And you don't have to pull it out and the more people that can figure out how to use it the the less Chance you're gonna have to actually pay that 1.5 percent Gary Miller is actually talking about paying employees and then these Liverpool pounds I'm not sure if you'll be able to get the city council on board with that but but The idea is wow, this is this is something that's no longer theoretical This is actually catching on with a significant population I'm not saying that all of Liverpool is is using this but enough are that it caught the BBC's eye And that it works for places like Delhi, Fonseca and sugar and lime So I wonder if there isn't a better way to do it I mean granted the Israeli company behind this has got a lot of venture capital and they're saying hey We're the next uber we're gonna make this happen in other places They're doing it in two locations in Israel as well But what if a city? Implemented this and said hey, you know, we'll we'll take the hit on on the cost of running it But just keep all the money locally because the one thing about colu is you can't sign up if you're a chain like Starbucks Ah, so it is yeah, I mean, I don't know the other thing about this though is like exactly how different isn't from PayPal That's like saying you know how different is Facebook from Twitter They they're both social networks. They there's there's differences in the way they operate and in the perceptions I'm not saying they're they're the same But I would like to kind of explore because they take you have your PayPal You're like hey do this now put pay with PayPal in your window. Congratulations zero transaction fees Yeah, I think Colu can get away with some things that PayPal can't because they created their own currency It's a it's a nifty workaround PayPal has to follow a lot of regulations and a lot of different companies because they're storing actual money What Colu is saying is we're not storing any money People paid us money for our product and then our product we can do whatever we have after that If this gets to catch on in more places and with more people using it I have a feeling the regulators are going to come a call and Sure Hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines.com you can get it as a podcast It's on the Amazon Echo and it's available on the anchor app at anchor.fm So Equifax announced that attackers exploited a vulnerability in the Apache struts web application Framework in order to gain access to the network and eventually access the 143 million US residents records vulnerability was patched by Apache on March 6th of this year The Equifax intrusion began in mid-May So you're talking a two-month gap from Apache saying hey better patch this and Equifax Apparently not having it patched Fixing the breach did require downloading an updated version of struts. You couldn't just patch in place You had to replace your your implementation of struts and then use that new implementation to rebuild all the apps Made with the previous version and then of course the rebuild apps would need to be tested to make sure they don't break key functions So let's not damn Equifax with not having downloaded and installed a patch on day one This is something that would take more than several days possibly weeks And when you're a global company like Equifax with as many different applications as I can imagine they run This is going to take this is going to be a considerable effort That's not to say that i'm excusing them Uh, it probably could have been done in two months in a separate discovery researchers that hold security discovered an online portal for argentinian employees allowed the user id admin and the password admin to gain entry to They online portal which is very bad security the portal was taken offline by Equifax after being alerted by Krebs on security You put this with all of the little missteps with their wordpress site That they put up for people to check if they're vulnerable and sign up for trusted id And you really get the impression that Equifax Doesn't have a completely competent security team. You know what i'm saying uh, I think uh one of the Issues is that it might have just been a back burner thing where security was uh more of a Like yeah, we should do that too, but our prime focus is to make sure we get these credit scores red credit ratings So we can divvy them out to whatever agency uh requested it's kind of like having a um It's like running an auto dealership where you're more concerned about You know getting cars out the door then kind of ensuring that you know when customers come back Uh and for their servicing and all that stuff is taken care of all the bulletins if they're fixes or whatever That the car need to run safely uh and reliably Uh, it is kind of a second second secondary issue Yeah, and it's hard to say what actually happened inside Equifax, right? well Except for this and this is again the the story of our modern age that There is on the highest levels with the most treasured data that we could think of a continued lack of rigor when it comes to patching things when it comes to cyber security This is not unique to Equifax. This is not unique to governmental situations. This is not unique to other companies Uh, there is just a uh, you know the war is here Whether or not anybody wants to imagine it. So you know, this is this is like game of thrones winter is here Yeah, take precautions Against it not only is winter here, but the dragon just burst through the wall, right? Yeah and and and that's the the problem is that There still is exactly what roger said this idea of well, you know, let's let's just make sure that we have our priorities in order and No, this is job one If you are holding data that is sensitive and I mean if you are Holding any kind of subscription or personal data The first thing you need to do is make sure that's secure and then do your job and then sell your product and then service your customers because Everything else is in your hands And I think this is not I think this is worse than most security breaches We've we've had security breaches at banks banks tend to be more secure But they're not immune and so at first when this first broke I said well, hold on everybody gets breached Let's not damn Equifax just because they got breached. That's like blaming the homeowner because someone broke into their house Yeah, let's find out what happened. Well, what happened was they didn't properly secure things They didn't properly patch things in what appears to be a timely manner. I mean, I'd like some Apache Some folks who work with Apache every day to tell me if it's reasonable or not to expected them to have patched this in two Months, but I think it is Uh, let's also point out that when credit card companies get breached And even when merchants get breached you usually hear the story of Personal information was accessed but credit card numbers and financial information was properly encrypted Uh, and that didn't happen here so so This is bad This is one of those situations where you say nope They should have done better 40 states u.s congress and usftc are investigating the Equifax attack Equifax CEO Richard Smith is going to testify to the house on october 3rd us representative carolin meloni a member of the house subcommittee on capital market securities and investment has asked Experian and trans union CEOs how they are in dress addressing info security saying let's let's make sure that the other two Don't get hacked and Equifax has stated multiple times that it has removed the arbitration clause and class action waiver From its trusted idea premier terms of use and it will not apply to people signing up because of the breach I'd like to have that in all of their terms, but Uh, the way is clear for this to be litigated and and testified in front of congress Uh 100 and and and you know again patrons can enjoy our conversation about optics, but liquidating some of your stock before you disclose a major cyber breach Never the best look horrible horrible Yeah, hold hold hold on. Let's all put the torches down for a second. It is possible I I don't even want to say it's likely but it is possible that that was just a run of the mill trade Because it was right after the window opened and that these guys had put the order in before there was any Possibility of them knowing of the breach. It is possible It certainly is in light of everything else that Equifax has done It makes you not want to believe that that's the case, right? That doesn't mean it is or it isn't But it certainly haven't done a lot to make you feel like well, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt Choose one. It's either Exactly what it looks like and it is indeed walking like a duck and quacking like a duck and in a duck or Boy, this is call it lemony snicket because that was a series of unfortunate Great how those lined up All right, so Let's talk about what you can do because it doesn't sound like Equifax is going to do a whole lot more than what We've already heard they've done. I know I almost feel like saying you've done enough. Yeah What should you do to protect yourself? So what do they have they have? If you're in the breach, they could have your name your social security number your birth date your address Some instances driver's license credit card numbers for approximately 209,000 us consumers Certain dispute documents with other personally identifying information for approximately 182,000 u.s customers And apparently even some limited info for uk and canadian residents Although that they didn't give numbers on that The only way to find out if you're actually in this breach or not is to go to Equifax security 2017.com put in the last six digits of your social security number and your last name and trust the result they give you I have done this Both times it told me I was not in the breach. I have Heard from people I know that they put in their information the same way twice and got two different results and i've seen other reports about that So there is something slightly unreliable about this and I don't have an explanation for it But it's the only way to find out for sure If you know you're talking about nearly half the the adult population of the united states more than half of the adult population of the united states It's reasonable to say, you know what? I'm just going to assume. I was in it if I can't tell for sure, right? Well, I mean it's certainly probably the safer way to go about it right is is to take precautions Again when it comes to cyber security we can point and and either throw scorn or laughter at Equifax's way or these other companies But we are also our own entities that are our grist for the mill So if you are not taking precautions yourself Then you too are asking for it And I wouldn't necessarily recommend people jump right over to Equifax security 2017.com if they're worried about security because The track record is not very good. All right. So what else can you do? That's the other things and sorry just to go back to that. Yeah, yeah There was a different site. It just had all The red flags and warning signs of a fishing site. Yes It it looked like one it smelled like one and and when when when my wife first told me Hey, you should run your information through there every red flag went up of like This doesn't look like it's from Equifax. It has a different url like they're it just your fishing senses get tingled Yeah, it just seems like, you know paypal dot by dot us, right like Yeah, paypal security breach.com meaning I'm going to breach PayPal security once I get your information Honestly at this point I'm amazed they spelled security, right because that would have been like, oh, what if the i was there or they miss You know, all right. All right. We get it. Equifax is a punching bag. Uh, what can you do about it? Well, Equifax is offering a free year of credit at monitoring through its trusted ID product If you trust them and believe they have properly changed their terms of service, you can sign up for that Unfortunately to sign up for it. You have to go to Equifax security 2017.com The thing that you should probably consider to do is putting on a credit freeze A credit freeze prevents creditors from viewing your credit file Which will prevent anyone from taking out a loan in your name when you put the freeze in place You'll get mailed a pin. The pin is necessary to lift the freeze. So you Put the freeze in place and then let's say you actually want to buy a car or refinance your mortgage You find out from who's giving you the credit which credit reporting agencies are you going to check? I will call them and lift the freeze within three days. They're required to lift the freeze temporarily You'll let the people who are giving you the loan check your credit and as soon as they're done You put the freeze back in place now You have to do that every time and you have to do that with all three Equifax Experian and Trans Union There's also a smaller one called Innovus that you may want to look at although the FTC doesn't list that one as being Worth wow, but you might want to check that one out Equifax is offering free freezes until november 21st So you can put it in now for free and if you have to list it Or if you have to lift it before november 21st They wouldn't charge you everybody else is going to charge you a small fee between five and ten dollars To put in the place the freeze and probably to lift it If you need to get a new loan or credit card, like I said, you're going to have to pay that fee To lift it, but it's it's a small fee now if that if you're like, I don't know I did the site It's telling me i'm not breached Uh, but I still I feel weird. I don't trust it. I want to do something But maybe the freeze is too much you can consider a fraud alert A fraud alert is free and it lasts 90 days And what a fraud alert does is it requires the creditors to verify your identity One of the ways they do this is to have a phone number on file That you say call me if someone wants to see my credit report and I'll let you know for sure whether that's okay or not And so it routes it through you It doesn't stop them from seeing your credit like a freeze But it will make you verify it before they get to see it If you have been a victim of identity theft you can report that at identity theft.gov And get an extended fraud alert that will last seven years I have done this because I was part of it a massive identity theft at a company. I worked at and I got I got this free fraud alert Put in active duty military can also get a fraud alert for a period of one year For for any reason they can put it on. Uh, so that's that's your options. Justin Trust freeze or fraud alert Uh Hey, listen, I think that this is going to be a fantastic Teachable moment for a lot of people to understand what their tools are for this because This is certainly the theft of our of our modern age. This is how People will affect your life now. The other good news here is that If somebody takes a fraudulent loan out in your name, you also have another host of options to deal with it and by and large you are going to lose time you will you might lose Some some very very frustrating moments On hold to make sure that everything gets settled, but you will most likely not lose money Yeah, and if you if you do feel that you are a victim of actual identity theft Go report that because there's a lot of remedies that can be put in place to to get you your money restored in some cases and at least Reclaim your identity and again that that url is identity theft gov. These are all us Since this attack affects the us the information we're given out applies to the us I apologize that we don't have better information for uk and canadian residents since there are a few of you At least affected by this And we'll we'll keep looking for that and try to add it to either the show notes or add It in a future show as well If you want all of this stuff it is mostly in our show notes, but I tidied it up And put links to all the credit reporting agencies to the pages where you can request a freeze and everything And our patreon post We have a weekly newsletter that goes out to the associate producers at patreon.com slash dts and this week's post is not Restricted anybody can view it. You don't even have to be a patron of dts to view it Because this is important information. So if you go to patreon.com slash dts And look for the post titled what to do about equifax That that will be the one that has all the information in it So like I said go to patreon.com slash dts and check that out anything else justin uh No, uh beyond all the you know needling of equifax I I believe that there certainly are some very troubling elements of that, but They won't be the last ladies and gentlemen. I can guarantee you that Uh, yes. Yes indeed. Uh, well a couple emails before we get out of here neal Like the show yesterday listened to this morning on his way to work said i'm disappointed that the app store is being removed from iTunes due to two-factor authentication issues I have an old iphone 4s that I use as an ip security camera using a third party application called ip camera The latest ios supported on iphone 4s is ios 7 which doesn't support two-factor authentication If I attempt to log into the app store on these phones. I have no way to enter the authentication code So instead of removing two-factor authentication from my account I've been using itunes to install the ip camera application updates on these old phones Now there will be no way for me to do that I have to hope to find another workaround if for when there is another application I need on these phones or just keep an older version of itunes around I guess Uh for working with those phones that that's kind of your only option deal I I realize this is a niche case, but it's a great use for an old phone and a proper use for one and it's uh unfortunate that He you basically if you have an iphone 4s, you just can't use two-factor authentication now Uh, this is uh, just A very dTns email and I love every instrument that you're right There's no reason why and this is there's a lot of like the cultural kind of uh, Sturman's wrong about the iphone X it will always be x x go and give it to you, uh announcement This week 10 that okay, you're gonna spend a thousand dollars, but it's disposable. It's a fashion Statement right, but you're you're absolutely right and so is neil These are very powerful machines Whether or not they are state-of-the-art and they have tremendous usefulness Far far far longer than uh, you know, I think we we think of them as as just kind of becoming obsolete Immediately after a new version comes out So yes, he should have the right to be as safe as he wants wants to be and still get 4s uh and use out of that old 4s And I certainly hope that maybe there's uh, you know another another way Another work around to do it and and I hope that as we continue to grow Uh an apple continues to you know have its legacy line of phones continue to grow longer and longer that There are ways to to make neils life. Yeah Best one is probably just keeping that old version of itunes around for a while But again after a while that's risky because you know, it's buggy and the security vulnerabilities of its own and stuff Uh pd wanted to point out something important regarding the idea of using google voice to handle your two factor authentication codes We talked about this yesterday and darin kitchen was nice enough to let us know The benefits and foibles of doing it this way But one thing we didn't talk about is that our entire scenario assumed that you used google authenticator As your second factor for your google account. That's the little app or maybe a dongle that gives you one time codes Do not use google voice itself To handle the second factor for the google account that that google voice is part of Because that's a recipe for locking yourself out of your account. Yes. Yes. No, that is uh Very very very well said do not be that guy. 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Yeah. No finally Finally, we get the gritty version of the That all the fans have wanted Uh, that that so this is gonna happen soon, right? If it's only at 600 I mean, okay the acceleration The velocity I guess has been declining Uh, so I I I I don't know what day I would predict Now you are getting back to the point where it ramps up again, right? Because everybody wants to be the one to push it over the top. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah We are and we're at the midpoint of the month too, which is that that's about you know, when you have I mean not that we wouldn't do this whenever we crossed but we kind of said we'd like to have it done by October if we possibly can so yeah 628 so close so close So close titles What do you have for us roger you prude you prude get it like youtube you prude. Oh like youtube you prude got it. Okay. Yeah YouTube pulls nude tunes Uh, originally I thought I thought Zoe brings bacon wrote roger's god, but just as roger's good, you know, you read what you want to see I know apple has a grip on security winters here for equal effects Fishing senses senses tingling eco facts is a punching bag. It will be for quite some time uh equal patch State of the state lost its address disney dollars. It's a duck Don't use google for google. I shall call him 3d mini me Apple's grip on security you get to disrupt you get to disrupt you get to And then uh, oh, so we put roger's god at the bottom I'll move on to that one Equifax struts its stuff its stuff was never patched. Yeah Equifax struts its stuff is pretty tempting. I mean I I think I think I think this whole equal facts really Just brings to light the fact that we're still using a turn of the 20th century Systems that was meant for people to collect their social security insurance as a means I don't know if that's true I I I feel like that's letting them off the hook a little No, I'm not I'm just I I understand what you're saying and you're right. I I think equal facts deserves All the all the fury that it's been getting but I also think that we just have a system that isn't adapted for a digital Uh digital century. I think we need to come up with another way That we uh, why are we always I guess the only reason I I I think you're making a broader point That's probably applicable in general but in equal facts this case patch a patchy It wasn't it this was preventable. This wasn't a problem with the system. This was a problem with your implementation of security Like they knew what to do This is remember when we talked about criminal negligence the other day on the show and it's like if you should have known That's that's negligence. This is starting to look like you should have known Oh Without a doubt soldier stock Yeah, what are you saying, Justin? I said without a doubt. I mean this again. It's it is job one Uh, uh, you know what what is the first thing that you need to do if you're running a bakery every day Make sure that you paid your light bill, right? Uh, right That that Or your heat bill again, whatever whatever we make sure you pay your fires the ovens. Yeah Yeah, whatever whatever your water bill is like Your entire business hinges on this and I do think that this is a legacy of Leadership at these companies are often folks who don't realize That this is not just a thing that might happen This is a thing that is actively happening at all times and you need to act like that Well, and it's easy to think. Oh, it's those it people. They didn't do a good job And maybe maybe that's it but there are plenty of scenarios where this exact same thing happens because Some executive doesn't approve the man hours the resources the priorities that that were needed to patch this Yeah, that happens too. Uh, yeah no the um It's it's it is it's just a priority and and you you the leadership comes from the top All right, I'm tempted to name it like winter is here for Equifax, but should we name it what what you should do about Equifax? Uh, that's less fun. Yeah About Equifax. I'm I'm always for The more boring titles because I feel like The boring titles are useful. Yeah titles are very fun for us right now, but very quickly become Confusing as soon as we move into another day Well, and I feel like a lot of times our show is full of so many different things that it kind of doesn't matter what we call it Right, uh, but today there's there's something particularly of use to people so I'm with you What you should do about Equifax Or Equifax Or you Equifax Equifax FACTS So ironic since I I've been using their credit monitoring Uh service for like a number of years Makes it all even more awkward Last time I moved I needed a credit report, you know to show Uh landlords and uh, I used TransUnion. They were the cheap one. They were the the most affordable Yeah, well, you know, it's interesting because um All three of the services is a lot if you if you pay for the credit money allow you to lock your credit from them But Equifax and TransUnion have the thing where if you pay extras like 10 bucks, uh an extra 10 bucks you can lock Uh, not a TransUnion Or Equifax from each other's service Uh, you know Equifax said they were working on an offering to let you freeze all three From through them, but they didn't have any other details about you. Yeah, surprise surprise I didn't say whether it'd be free or not either Equifax Equa You know what? Sounds like facts equal facts Yeah, I mean credit monitoring is is good. It just lets you know someone opens an account Freezing your credit really helps but it also You have to be on it if you're like what you've said If you're trying to get a home loan or car even a car loan Yeah, um or a new credit card any credit card. Yeah You're Equifaxed otherwise Oh stop It was just one of those Equifax ups that happened Yeah, experience and Equifax all carry the same information No, they don't have you ever compared your three I compared uh TransUnion and Equifax with I have I have different information in all three of mine That's because I'm not real I you know, I'm surprised my information is pretty similar across all three And you're a much more consistent person. You've also moved less. I think that I moved less But I also have a lot more loans than you do You have more what more loans to my name Maybe yeah, I know you have more property stuff going on in it. Yeah So I had a lot of credit cards in my history back in the 90s Uh, it's funny. I went from one credit card to three and then back down to Amateur three Or you at um, what was what was the high point? I mean Probably seven Yeah At my top but at one time that's simultaneous Like if you look at my credit report, it's just littered with all the different credit cards I jumped around what were you doing at store credit cards and That's the one thing I never signed up for a word like a tar any kind of store credit card I would always jump to the new credit card that gave me the lower interest rate in the 90s I had like I had like at least three or four different visas and master cards that I could juggle And then I had you know, like a jc penny card and a best buy card and a radio shack card And those were all considered credit cards as well. So that's how I got up to seven I do not have that anymore. I dug myself out of that hole, but it was not easy I Man makes my head spin like I just too much to juggle Three is max. That's all I would want to deal with once that's stored, but um One for my bank, uh one from nb and a and what about you justin a couple of ones You know, I never really had a problem with credit cards Although it was a credit line that I wound up having a problem with that was my uh over draft credit line at hsbc uh, and uh, uh, I definitely ran up I think at its worst about seven thousand dollars worth of debt on that And then I I paid That off as I you know kind of just had more money Come wiser I had a good ten thousand dollars of credit card debt because I would also pay off one credit card with the other credit card, right? Did that that little shell game with myself? Uh, and then when I got the job at zd tv is when I finally like buckled down and just started paying it off Because I had learned to live on nothing You know austin and then I actually got paid a decent salary even though it was a costlier place to live So I just was like, you know what? I don't have this extra money I'm gonna live the same way I did and just shovel that all at the credit card Oh, my wife is that way. It's like, ah, it's gonna pay that off. Yeah Well, now I pay it off. I don't let it revolve Yeah, no, I pay it all I actually have a really good credit now because I uh was able to keep the Credit card that I used to book all my travel for the go game in my name. Oh nice So that helped. Yeah, I bet that helped help with my credit Um, although it shouldn't should it right? Like that's a that's a bolder ability. That's a weakness in the system Uh, yeah, I mean I just got paid on the other side of all these, uh, You know, I mean, I guess it shows some responsibility because you had to pay it You had to go through the motions of paying it. You could have been taking the money from one side and not paying it Oh, yeah, no, but it was amazing. I would I would uh, I had the united club card, right? So high yearly fee it's like it's like 300 dollars. Yeah, but You get access to the united club, which I've always maintained if you fly more than five times a year It is a way to make your life better can't say pre or global entry and The club of the airline of your choice also No matter what pick an airline pick an airline and get the points and get the status on the airline it Is ultimately worth more to you than either flying a budget carrier that doesn't have those reward systems or Jumping around to the best price and saving 30 40 dollars. This is if you fly like you say five times or more. Five times a year Yeah, I'm talking about the person who flies home for Christmas and just wants a bargain No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, if you don't fly all that much then then it's not going to be that worth it or you know a lot of these credit cards uh for for uh You know if you only fly two or three times a year that you probably know where you're going to fly reliably Each year you can figure out which airline goes there the most often at the price that is the best for you Get their credit card and a lot of times Uh, their credit cards come along like united's credit card comes along with two free united club passes, right? You know, you can still go there any hoot I was booking all my travel and my hotels and my rental cars On the united thing Which not only gave me miles on top of buying a top of the miles through the credit card Uh, but then also I was able to pay it off uh in full every month. Uh, which was good for my credit I pay most of it off. I unfortunately always have like a 100 bucks or something That goes over to that's actually not terrible. Uh, uh, you know keeping keeping a balance on a card is actually, uh Good as long as you're making regular payments. Yeah, I I pay at least 90 if not Like 95 of the card the reason is I pay all my bills off my credit card Because I have I I'm very reluctant to attach my account my bank account Uh to anything that auto pays I'll tell you what I think of auto pay I've just had a such a crap time with AT&T and auto pay over the last, uh A couple months. It's like I go in there. I set up the auto pay And then a month later I get the your account is, uh, uh overdue It's like So annoying. I don't know what the deal is Yeah, I don't trust auto pay for most things I have a couple things set up for it that seem to work and they're they're low If they fail, but I have two hulu and my cell phone and they both pull for my credit card um Who do you guys got in the uh, uh, uh triple g canelo fight this weekend? I don't know what that is What is that the triple g canelo canelo? It's uh, it's uh, it's a boxing big ol Boxing that boxing is back, baby Well, I know I know in the last uh in the last couple I need to know what this is about. So is it triple g versus canelo triple g versus canelo. Okay, uh, uh Triple g probably one of the more exciting boxers over the last uh, couple years kazakhstani Doesn't look uh, doesn't look like the most physically imposing person on the planet. Uh, and yet Has uh, so hard his punches land so hard. You can just watch The youtube's of him. Uh, he just collapses his opponents. Uh, it is kind of stunning to watch meanwhile uh, canelo Uh, is canelo alvarez is uh, the mexican probably the most Uh, hyped mexican fighter since uh, uh, delahoya. He's a big guy pretty boy Well wound up fighting floyd mayweather earlier in his career and and losing Uh But uh, but now In his prime he goes up against the kazakhstani Uh, uh fighter triple g again gany Something glovekin so nobody can pronounce his name. So he's called triple g Gennady, maybe is it in any something glovekin is is uh, is is is his name? Uh, I can't I can look it up Gennady glovekin Yeah, oh gennady gennady of itch gennady of itch just means son of gennady So his dad was named gennady too gennady gennady of itch glovekin triple g triple g from kazakhstan From kazakhstan the great kazakhstan he's kazakhstan of But uh, um, yeah, I'm gonna go triple g. I think um, I was leading canelo Yeah, because uh, you know, I'm I'm pro mexico, you know delahoya was a golden age But you're right. He's a little bit of a pretty boy. Yeah, it's no disrespect meant by that Uh gennady just seems like a little bit more of the uh the underdog in this match Uh, he's kind of goofy. He's earned. Yeah. Yeah kind of goofy. He uh after a fight Uh once uh, and they said like do you have any thoughts leaving? You know, uh being now being done with the fight. He said yes. I want a steak I kind of love that He's from karaganda kazakhstan. Yes Uh, so uh, yeah, no, it should be uh, this is going to be of the two fights They kind of split the difference of being The biggest fight ever in that one Mayweather mcgregor had All the hype all the pomp all the circumstance all the racially troubling uh dialect, uh and Really a kind of fairly middling uh a fight where the expectations were set So impossibly low that the fact that it was barely competent Uh was was a shock and delight to everybody to this is probably I mean, you almost hate to say but this might be the last of the like Boxing mega fights. There's just no more stars. These were these are two of the Last kind of like star stars that have continued to win which is An important thing in boxing because if you just start if you're Adrian brawner or something like that who is good, but he just kept losing so he had So is that an issue of just not having uh that they could remedy by just Training new fighters a new generation or no like uh, well the problem is this Boxing is not run by any kind of central organization and the money As soon as the money got so big per pay per view The onus of making the best fight kind of went away Because why risk killing your golden goose? Uh for one big payday when you can have Four fights at 75 percent the payday Right and just fight people that nobody wants these guys to see or continue to obscure whether or not they're good and that kind of I think Stops the ability for stars to be created now The other hand is is you know, uh espn has gotten more involved in in boxing And that that's something that could kind of bring it back a little bit is putting it back on free television where you can you know buy everybody Seeing these fighters, uh, you know, they can continue to build a star power I I kind of I think you've just made me a fan of triple g He's pretty great. Yeah, I mean like I I I know that this is not exactly the kind of place where uh, we want to get into like You know, uh, rock them sock them, uh sports talk or whatever, but The the youtube videos of a triple g tko's are like awe inspiring because he is just like just a well built dude who just knows exactly where to punch people and uh, it's it just He just shuts the other like it's not like mike tyson where You know, you would he was just an awe inspiring machine in terms of just knocking people out by punching them in the head So hard that their brain went to sleep Uh, this was more this is more of the like You know, all of a sudden your liver gets punched so much. It's like, yeah, you want to know what I'm going to shut things down I don't I think also Well, I should say that I have to make an nfl crack Um, because in boxing, you know what you're in for that's that that's where I was going to go with that you know, I was actually, um talking about the nfl today on my twitter Because I apparently feel the need to hot take and literally every arena at once I saw the roger gadel Posts, uh, is he the star? Is that the brother? He's the number one star of the nfl and I don't think it's because he meant to be or he is the glory hog of it but Look at all the headlines and understand that in the off season He's the one that's mentioned the most it's about roger gadel and isekiel elliott roger gadel and tom brady roger gadel and Uh, uh, all this other stuff. So it's like the two biggest stories in the off season were collin cavernick and Ezekiel elliott and roger gadel one story that is just Uh, so divisive on political lines, right and and involving Just a lot of although important Unfun, I think would be universally understood topics of race and police and and whether where appropriateness and whether or not it's good for to do during the flag or uh It looks as if there was a domestic dispute with a promising young running back and There are no good guys as Uh, you know roger gadel over prosecutes like he always does with no impunity with with with total impunity I have one more question for you about this. Justin and i'm gonna ask it On the patron post show. Goodbye everybody