 Welcome to Reader Syndicate 3.0, the next evolution of the look into counterculture that is Canada. My name is Matthew, owner of Riot Seeds, and this started as a one-man mission for strain history and breeding science. Over time, it's evolved into something bigger, better, and more of a team effort. We will be joined by members of the Cannaluminati and other friends throughout the seasons to hear their takes on grow techniques, breeding science, strain history, and more. Our mission is to combat the narrative that corporate cannabis and seed posers are obfuscating for their own financial benefit. Welcome to the Underground. We are The Syndicate. Welcome to Reader Syndicate, everyone. I'm Matthew here with my co-host, Thousand Fold. Today, we're going to be having local botanist and farmer Dan, who is currently muted because his kid is bashing toys around. Today, we're going to be doing a recap of Season 11 and doing some Q&As for people in the audience and ones we've taken before the show. Thousand, take it away! Yeah, Recapping Season 10, launching Season 11. We've got a few questions from the Discord, but also, of course, we're welcoming everyone to just, you know, put questions in the chat. Maybe to kick us off, what has everyone been smoking for those of us who have been smoking? Have you all been growing for those of us who have been growing? Go ahead, guys. Obviously, my stick-ass wasn't smoking. Matt is straight-edge right now. Yeah, currently. Yeah, right. How's your mic? Am I talking to my mic now? A little bit. Can you all hear me? Barely. Hold on. Now, we're good. We're good. All right. There you go. Yeah, no. I've been smoking the Sweet Pea a lot. And yeah, that stuff's really good. Super tasty, super consistent. Yeah, I love smoking it. Mr. Dan, you muted. I just took some rips of the Wet Dream, the Green Crack Times Blue Dream, and that shit was fire. So shout out to Screw for sending that out. About 2000. Oh, yeah. I've been sampling my freshly harvested Santa Cruz rakes. So I've got four of them. And two of them, I mean, again, just visually, purely visually, look a lot more blue-dream than the other two. But, you know, I think profile-wise, there's definitely quite the mix across them. So still getting used to them. But one of them's got a killer, heady buzz, which I love for the daytime. So I'll probably be... No, I don't know that I've ever talked about why I'm not smoking on our show. But I got sick with something that people have been arguing about ever since I brought it up. Canabinoid hyper-emesis. I think it sounds like hyper-emetic, right? Local, maybe? Science guy? I'm not a medicine guy, man. I don't know. Hyper-emetic hyper-emesis syndrome, which makes you... Essentially, you flood your cannabinoid system so much that it makes you throw up non-stop until you either die or quit smoking, and it shows up quite a bit. So I've had to stop smoking, you know, supposed to be for supposedly 11 months if you're a lifetime smoker to completely flush it out so you can smoke again. So that's why my hiatus exists. But it's been fun shucking stuff and not being able to smoke it. It's been quite a treat. The Sherp Cream High seems very nice. I mean, it's very greasy resin, and it makes a lot of greasy resin. It goes to the sandy, so... That's about all I got to say on the smoke front. Kind of sucks. Matt, did you want to kick us off with also some of the... Tays us some of the drops that are happening. Okay, so we have my drop. We have Pax Drop, Santa Cruz Go Form, and we have High and Lonesome Drop. So my drop is going to be, I call it Viva La Blu Volusion, which is just... It's the blueberry in-cross work, or IX as it's written, which is a totally made-up term for cannabis, but it fits because you need a term for something like crossing in-between generations, as opposed to going straight generational work. So, you know, like there's a back-cross in there at some point and bringing back to DJ Shorts Blue. So we have the blueberry in-cross, which was my most popular from the original Blue Bonnet release. And that was DJ Shorts Blue Bonnet, or Blueberry F4 from an old pack that I selected, crossed to the Blue Bonnet, of course. And what it did was take all the looks from DJ Shorts Blueberry, which is probably some of its most awesome part of its traits, the looks, because it's beautiful, purple, cushy looking stuff, and crossed that to the Blue Bonnet. So it injected heavy blueberry turps into it. So it was kind of what I always imagined. The pictures of, like when I was buying seeds at DJ Shorts stuff, it's how I imagined those things growing out, smelling like blueberry, looking like that. And that's what I reimagined with this. And it worked out really well. So we redid that, and then we crossed that to Mac Daddy, which I have no idea what Mac Daddy is, but it looks like a better version of Mac One. Well, it smells like a bubble gummy Mac One, to be honest. I don't know what's in it. That's like clone-only type, I don't know. We have Blue Cocky, which is a new name that Dan came up with, for the Sherb Cream Pie crossed to the blueberry and crossed. And I'm pretty stoked on that one. It's fat, chunky, sherb, a little louder than normal sherb. But yeah, like, I mean, there's a cut out there called Blue Sherb that everybody was all stoked on when it came out. I was too. I was like, wow, this sounds pretty good. And then tried it and it wasn't really blue at all. So I kind of wanted to reimagine that one. Blue Sphemy, which is the white runce blueberry and cross, which again, smells like sherb. It's a lot smaller yielding version of the Sherb Cream Pie. And then the Trop Dosey blueberry and cross, which really is like a tangy, dominant cookies, blueberry and cross. So basically, it's kind of leaning into the hive crowd a little bit to try to get some injection of interest into what we do in the first place. And as it were, like, as I said, maybe a Trojan horse style attack on, bring them into the old by working in the new, I guess you could say. And just so I have to point out, like, how good blue cocky is for Sherb Cream Pie. Blue hybrid. It's like, Dan, you literally just came up with that like five minutes ago. Yeah. You did. Yeah. That's how my fucked up brain works. Blue cocky. So good. It's a cream pie and all. So then we got, we have, what is it? Goat Farms blue dream work. So he dropped, let me see what we got here. I think he only wrote the names on these. I still got to spread them out. That's not it either. Where is the goat farm? Yeah, this one's a banger. Dream killer is going to be what? The P 91, I believe. That's the SAC one. SAC one, yeah. SAC one cross. That's right. So soul assassin number one OG, which is a kind of help for years. It's a really, really dank old OG cut. It's probably a hybrid. It grows way better than OG. You never need to just stake it. Super OG and Terps almost like Irene, but it's just way better growing plant than any OG. We have the Santa Cruz dog shit, which is the dog shit crossed to electric Boogaloo, whatever you want to call it across to the blue dream. And these are all fems for him. The blueberry in process are all reg seeds. Let's see. Well, yanking out like a weasel here. Hold on. We've got waking life. You remember what that one is local? That's the TC PK. Okay. So the pure cush. Yeah. Pure cush blue dream. And then we have wet dreams, which is the green crack blue dream. But those are going to be dropped this weekend. I've been shucking so much. I haven't really gotten around. So I've been trying to make the deadline for releasing the blueberry in cross. Those would already be out except for the fact that I'm waiting for my printer. And then we have the mango haze dropped from high and lonesome. I don't have those in yet. But it's going to be, I believe green crack mango haze, dog shit, mango haze. Nothing there. You guys know. Cam D mango haze. And D mango haze. Yeah. Is there an appy mango haze? I don't know if he did appy mango haze. I would hope so. I don't remember the list. I need to get it. Yeah. I don't remember seeing that one. There's a. I think I want to say EB. Yeah. Actually. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's all regular stuff too. So we've got a few, a few different regular seed drops and one fem seed drop. And for my next drop, it's going to be probably, I think we're going to do the blue and cross them, but we're going to see, we're going to see where it takes us. That's the hopes anyways. You can never bet the farm on that stuff. Yeah. Pretty soon. But there's another round of blue drop. Right. I'm another round of blue. There's another blue drop after this right to come that we should, we may not leak yet. Oh, which, which one's that blue? Oh yeah. Yeah. A five mango. That was the other one. Oh yeah. Yeah. Hopefully that one will work and come out. Thank you. And then we also have the TGA process coming soon, which is like the epitome of something that I said, I'd never do. And never say never. Yeah. So that's going to be fun. That's going to be all the newer bet. I think better moms. It should have been crossed to space dude personally. Yeah. That's going to be coming very soon too. These are insane drops by the way, like all of them. Yeah. They're pretty good stoked. I don't have enough space or money for this shit either. I know. All right. Yeah. The agenda. Well, we can start off with some of the questions. So the first one, which we've had before, I think, but let's go over it again. So Digi effects asks, I'd love to hear more about mother plant maintenance, especially in solo cups. Maybe we can expand that to say mother plants in smaller containers. All right. I could start with this one. Mother plants in smaller containers. The main thing you're going to run into is like mold. Yeah. Bugs because you have a lot more leaf in a smaller area because if you're using the stuff in a smaller area, you're topping your training, you're cramming as much as you can into a tiny scale. So yeah, IPM has to be on track. Air movement has to be on track. A lot of times people like to use, and I know this is like absurd nowadays, but T5s lower light. If you're in a smaller environment to induce like slower growing as opposed to like decreasing health for slower growing, decrease light for slower growing, if that makes sense. That was one of our big tricks back in the day, keeping, you know, 100 moms in a small space was using T5s and like raising lights and lowering lights as they go up and down. Yeah. That was the main thing. I don't know. What else you guys got? I would say probably the biggest thing is the light thing that Matt mentioned in my, at least in my situation, because that helps like mitigate how much growth you're going to get. And like, once you start getting that many moms, it just becomes a lot to manage. But also like me, in my case, I also do cocoa only. Yeah. So I have to water and feed like every single watering. And like, if I do my plants are going to fall over because like the weight of the plant is just like too, too much for the kind of the width of the pot. Let's see. I also do racks. Racks help me a lot. That's, I mean, you could double your area with that easily. Let's see what else. I mean, yeah, just keep your plant, your moms. Like well fed, well, like well watered. I had a question about this as well. Is there any sense in with mothers, like do you keep the lights as intense as you would for plants that you're growing out to crop? No. Yeah. Yeah. I give them less light just in general, like less intense light. What about feeding? Every time they need a lot. They need heavy food. Yeah. I mean they're getting the same feed as my like plants that I grow. So, yeah, I don't, I don't really reduce diet or change diet for them too much. I've got to keep it consistent. Yeah. Kyle's right. Constantly taking cuts. Constantly taking cuts. Yeah. That's another good way to keep it low. I mean, it's essentially the same thing as topping in many sense or many sense the same way. It achieves the same thing as topping, but it's a huge important part of the process, especially to keep a lot of moms. And you're doing like a strain library. You have to take lots of cuts because shit dies as you keep them smaller. Yeah. And that turnover just helps keep them small too. It's like, if you're cutting it every, you know, four to six weeks and restarting it, then, you know, you're going to constantly pretty much have like a set, six or seven inch clone up to like, you know, a foot or two tall, and then it immediately goes back to a clone. And so it's a ton of work, but that's how I do it or try to do it. I'm behind right now. I've got some clone trays that are like two feet tall. You know, that was another trick I used to use. And I don't, I mean, I don't know if I recommend this or not or don't recommend it. It's something I did. You know, the 10 by 20 plastic Monty trays or whatever, like the thick ones, I'd load those up with pearlite and I would keep essentially like a hempy bucket for a lack of a better term, just pearlite and water and keep the clones in that or not water, but a feed and constantly water it that way. The problem with it is if it's all different strains, they overgrow each other real fast. Some get like two feet tall, some stay four inches, but I was able to keep things in that for like two months. Sometimes if I needed to, it would look like shit, but it would, it would work. It would function. Oh, I've got a tray of 50. Yeah. That's like two months in the tray, two feet tall. Fucking watering it twice a day. And I'm just like, I don't have time to fucking pot these up yet, but they're going in next. I've saved whole libraries that way, just like backing them up that way. And that's like a emergency scenario, or if you're feeling extra lazy or having very little room, it'll work. Yeah. It's just essentially what it would be is a mondi tray, pearlite, and then one of those skeleton trays. Set clones in that are open. Just set the clones in there, rock wool, more pearlite, water that shit in, and they'll go bananas in it. So yeah. I mean, I've seen shit take off the flower in it. Yeah. Well, and you can get growth in of any size too. So you could like really easily just get like the three inch cube. Oh yeah. You know what I mean? And like they're kind of tall too. And so you could fit like 18 of those in one of those 10 by 20s and just like keep a little mini mom like that too. Yeah, I was putting. I feel like you're saving pearlite underneath. 70. Jesus, you're fucked. The tray of 50, even when I plugged it was just like, oh, I'm going to have to pop this down like twice a day. Yeah. Yeah. I was not trying to do the 72 count. I mean, but the tree was off at that point. But yeah, I mean, it was, it was hell like trying to do mini cuts in the, you remember when Oasis cubes had the edges and they were one or one or two count and a little plastic insert. Yeah. Yeah. We used to cram little like three inch cuts in those and like they took an extra week to like really get established. But you know, if they're all just like stuff you would have thrown away and you could sell clones back then that was fucking great. Yeah, dude. I'm still working out a system for my like tiny, tiny, shamefully tiny space. And I had like a, got like a one foot by one foot by like two foot cabinet in which I, there's like a shelf in there. I stuffed like 25 plants in there. I could get 70 in that spot. That's fucking crazy, dude. Yeah. I mean, just to like keep my shit though, like I cut two full trays just for like the dozen things I'm holding on to. So like to take five or six of each, you know, and suddenly you have like, you're just throwing them all away. Yeah. You do throw a lot away that way. Yeah. It sucks. But yeah, it hurts every time you're like, oh, this could be, you know, like anything from an ounce to a pound of weed and I'm just throwing it away. My buddy, my buddy Chris Isaro down there. He's, he does really nice living water. It's, it's, I guess it would be. Fuck it's living water. It's, it's, he has worms. Um, he feeds water through that through the worm castings that go through that. And I think fish shit in it somehow. Right. Like, it's like the aquaponic thing. Yeah. It's very verma-ponic. Yeah. It's growing some beautiful punchy plants that way. Absolutely. Sounds cool. Yeah. It works really fucking well. I've never heard the threes living water though. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to try growing plants out of your tanks dude. Yeah. Yeah. Let the nudes feed or the, yeah, what are those little fuckers like? Nudes. Yeah. It'll be a pussy. It'll be a pussy. We want newt water. Newt aponic. Bro, that's my compost tea right there. There you go. It's probably pretty good, man. How well it works. Like with a fish and just, it's fucking nuts. Local told me, local told me that he has like a shot of that water every day. Takes it for life. Good for the gut by him. Yeah. It was Gage Green that used to drink Willard's water. You remember Willard's water, Dan? No. It was in your area. That guy did some weird shit. Yeah. It was mud water. Although he did say one thing that has stuck with me for years. I remember one time that dude from Gage Green was like, well, I mean, just, he was like arguing in favor of veganism. And he's just like, well, think about it. If you go to a vegan restaurant, you're probably going to want to fuck a bunch of those people. But if you go to an Applebee's, how many of those people do you really want to fuck? Point taken, bro. That's stuck with me for like five years now. You like kicks at hairy armpits. We're gone. That's where you go, bro. That's what my book of poetry would be right there. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Welcome to the live stream, everyone. I didn't say that shit. I didn't say that shit. I think that was an actual quote. Jason, whatever his name is, the younger one, the older one is the one that was a freak. The Asian dude with the super long beard. Yeah, that's Jason. He's the younger one. He came later. The old dude, though, he was, I think it was maybe fulvic water or something. Yeah. It was foul as fuck. It was like kava kava or something, you know, like mud water. Yeah. It was crazy. Only crazy people drink that. That's probably just as bad as like the people who drink silver. Yeah. Turned blue. Or you could be like me and just spill like 25 to $50 worth of silver on your floor at a time. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. I stayed in the floor. I was like sick. I'm glad I'm moving out in three minutes. I think it's from new blue drops. Matt turned blue. Oh, shit. I've been trying to get AI to make a picture of Matt with a blueberry head and I just can't. That would be amazing. I hit him pretty fat again right now. I'm all blimped up. I've like done it where I've like insert your image into it to give it a starting point and like it just, yeah, someone with more talent needs to do that shit. I'm just too beautiful for a return blue like that. Yeah. Is Indo here? Indo could probably try it. Yeah. Yeah. Indo gets to work really. Yeah. Do it. All right. You want to hit the next one? Next question was, oh, this is an interesting one. This came up in the breeding series as well. Does anyone use keep notes, basically notebooks for plants, tracking data in general? Any tips? Yeah. Yeah. I got mine like right here actually. Yeah. I'm so unorganized. I've never kept notes on anything, which is why I'm also starting to get yourself one of these. It's just a lab notebook. You can put all your favorite stickers on there. This one's from like 10 years ago. Okay. Let's see the stickers. Let's see the stickers. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Heavy 16s on there. That's how you know it's old. Any good bands? Any lame bands? No. There's the trim scene. That's the barber shop and Humboldt that my wife used to manage. We got our general hydro, six rivers brewery, I think I was working at the the hydro shop. Yeah. If you got stickers like that. Clonex, baby. All right. More roots organic. Track seven brewing in Sacramento. That shits fire. And Fluence, the most like dead LED company of all time. Yeah. Yes. They make good shit though. The first gen. But anyway, like I have like a little table of contents up front. Like you just do this like you would a lab notebook in school. And like, here's some fucking reading notes. You know what I mean? How do I get the center? Reading notes. What else we got in here? You could be a, you could be a TA at a university, Dan. Yeah, for real. Look at this one's developmental cytology of the resin glands of humulus lupus. I was reading weird shit. I guess. Yeah. I'm dumb as fuck. I guarantee you. Merlin and Clark 2013. That was the, when I first read the cannabis evolution and ethnobotany designs for bone racks and shit. Evolution and ethnobotany is like a real college textbook. Yeah. That one's dank. Yeah. This is literally like me designing my first tissue culture lab. You know what I mean? And like the phases and like different equipment I need and shit. How do I get that? There we go. I just remembered. Like that's how I do it is like the lab notebooks gridded out. It's numbered pages. And like here's where I designed a quality index for grading pounds when I worked in LA. Rating pounds. Yeah. Cause we had to like grade pounds and know what to sell them for. And so like it's my whole process of like giving it a, like a score basically. Well, that's nice. Just so when buyers like try to push back on it, be like, no, I actually have a system as opposed to just like. This is a cool one. A little like flood tray design for like a rolling rack. Oh, nice. And so it's like two little reservoirs of pumps and like turns and shit. Dan's going to auction off this notebook later on. Oh, here's the, here's the clone list I had in 2018. Oh, what is it? What is it? Let's see. Let's hear. We got Walto G, Strat Banna, Sour Patch Kids, Forbidden Fruit, Cement Shoes, Vienna OG. This is when I first got down to LA. And so we had all this weird shit, Purple Punch, Pussy Dough, Two Different Cuts, Ultra Violence. That was all from that cult classics dude. Oh boy. They're kind of like Moment in the Sun there in like 2018. Shout out Marcus. Yeah. It's not Marcus. Super Glue, Crazy Glue, Sour Straw Banna Sherbet, Sherbet. That was the green Sherb. G44, G41, G33, Bubba, Girl Scout Cookie, Kosher Kush, Buckeye. That was actually a cool little purple plant. Did you ever come across that one? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't good. It looked cool though. It was like a black rose hybrid of some. So it was so stupid. Yeah. Yeah. Purple Jack, SFV, Strawberry Fields, Sunset Sherb, Golden Cobra. I don't actually remember that one. King Louis, Phase EOG, Wi-Fi OG, Durbin. Got to have Wi-Fi bro. Yeah. This, this reminds me, there was this one dude Jimmy down in LA and he like ran a bunch of like grow houses and stuff. And he had really good cuts. Like he had this like sour power OG, no clue what the fuck it was. It was fire. Yeah. One, two, and seven. Shout out to local's cat. Yeah. What up, dude? You got Indo back there. Yeah. Oh, I had the trace dog at that point. That was a good one. There you go. Part of silverback. The silverback was like an OG gorilla glue hybrid that was super fire. But Jesus Christ. Dan, what about like, when you were, what about notes when you were actually tracking plants and how they were doing? I remember you actually showed me like a spreadsheet once as well. Yeah. So here's an early one. Um, 2018 breeding notes. But I just like had the, I just had the, uh, the clone name, a few little short notes. I think this was probably the first time I was flowering this stuff. I think this was a run from bio vortex. It was his like, orange is the new banana. Yes. I actually found out bio. Shout out bio vortex. One of the few people from HSO there. Yeah. Dude, he's a fucking really chill guy. I met up with him once. He's legit. Yeah. He's a really good and just like, like he's on it. You know what I mean? He takes his time with shit. Yeah. You kind of have to know him to get his seeds. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's kind of cool too though. Yeah. I met up with him in person and he had this like cool chest. You know what I mean? Like this bag and he's like pulling out all these baggies and shit. I'm just like, oh shit. You're, this is awesome. This is like visiting a seed bank in person. Yeah. You know, but not to be confused with HSC as the best marketing campaign on earth. What else have you got in here? I think that's it really. Yeah. Here's me like mapping out profits or potential profits. You know what I mean? Fuck that shit. Okay. So we know Dan's organized as fuck. How about you guys? Are you guys organized too? Like this? This is insanity. Um, honestly dude, it's gotten to the point where I just throw plants and flower all the time that, I don't know. Like I just keep a track of when I threw it into flower and that's about it. Um, I feel like everything I've grown, I can reference it in my brain. No, I know where you're writing, you know, all of the DMs and pictures on discord and stuff that those are, those are kind of notes as well. I guess they are. Yeah. In some sense. I use mine a lot actually where I go back on to like IG and I'm like, oh shit. Yeah. I remember that now. And yeah, I had pretty useful. I'm at the point of where I use monkey at zoo. Like is my strain index. Somehow he has, he has a list of every single strain I've ever made from day one. Like that he keeps, but I have to reference that because I'm like, someone will ask me, someone will be like, I don't know. Somehow, you know, so it's really cool that someone has that because I, I don't have that in my brain. I used to, my brain isn't so good anymore though. Not a reliable tool anymore. About 2000. For notes, I think I, yeah, I also tend to rely on IG when I first started growing the forms were good for that. Obviously you had your own like thread and, you know, you could obviously keep a lot of notes in there. Yeah. And IG, you know, like Dan was saying, it's not bad, but it's not easy to search. Like you don't have to manually scroll through everything. Yeah. To find what you want. So it's not ideal either. Ideally, I don't know. I could probably use a spreadsheet if I wanted to. I'm just, I'm still not there. Yeah. My memory is good for strains and what they were like. It's pretty accurate for that. My own strain names. Less accurate. Like what I called something at certain points, but I like, if someone tells me the cross, I can tell me exactly what it was like. Remember that much. But strain names are harder. So when you're making seeds, that's probably a good thing to keep a list of. There was one for a long time. When, uh, speaks lazy took over the website. They deleted all that. So that was kind of it. Unless someone finds a way to go back in time. Shout out to him for the help with that. I will say that when I first started growing, one thing that helped me was actually recording mistakes that I was making in the earlier runs. Cause then I'd be like, Oh, that's right. This thing happened last time and I, I'll try not to do that again. Um, now most of that's internalized, but yeah, at some point I was tracking like fuckups basically. Yeah. I can't imagine you not keeping those. It's organized. Yeah. Crazy. Probably. I'm super into archiving shit for sure. But you are too, Matt. Like you, you do keep a lot of stuff too. Uh, maybe not notes, but you know, you're into archiving. Yeah. Yeah. I keep collections of shit. Look at Matt. Yeah. Look at what's behind that right now. Um, I'm watching to see if my, my Hasbulla autograph on eBay goes for more than two minutes down to six minutes and at 1500. It's not mine. I'm not selling it. I'm watching someone sell. Yeah. I guess I'm the only old man that still does it. Uh, IRL in the hand, you know, but I don't know. I think it gets you back better back into the mindset you were when you were doing that stuff too. You know what I mean? Cause like instantly that took me back, you know, six years. Oh sure. I bet. Where I was just like, oh, I know what I was thinking about. You know what I mean? And the things that I thought were important and like what I know better now. And so I think it's a really good like reflective tool too, to see like how far you've come. What do we got? Nice. Next. Okay. So next we have a bunch. I have a couple of questions from Scrooston. I know Dan has a lot of experience reversing plants, local, gaining it, Matt, obviously. Right. Um, could you talk about some common mistakes, uh, outside of the typical trying to reverse a single plant? Go ahead, Dan. I'll catch up at the end. I feel like it's all of you. Maybe local. You go first. Um, because local is fresh, right? Yeah. I actually, I just did my first one not too long ago. So it's, it's still pretty fresh. Um, but the first piece of advice is don't, uh, reverse a big ass plant. That's what I did. Yeah. Um, and like my sweet pea by nature, fucking just grows insane. Um, like an insane rates. Um, and then to do more than one plant, uh, you never want to put all your eggs in one basket. Um, and then another thing would be timing. Uh, you kind of got to know, um, when it's going to throw balls, you know, like I, I didn't know about when it would. And it just kind of did around two and a half weeks is when I started seeing balls, but then they didn't really open till a few weeks after that. So like the timing thing is still a bit confusing to me. Um, but it's all like trial and error. I feel like. Yeah. I feel like it's like literally all mistakes until you do, I don't know, half a dozen or so, and then you kind of get your bearings a little better. Um, but I agree with everything that Luke said, it's like, um, timing is super important because if you spray too much, it doesn't go well. If you spray too high a concentration, it doesn't go well. If you spray too low a concentration. And so like knowing what you're working with and kind of documenting that because I was dick to the wind when I started my reversal journey. And someone just told me like, yeah, mix a few ounces of this liquid with a few ounces of this liquid and do it in this order. And I had no idea the concentrations I was using and it did not work most of the time. Um, and it took me like three years really because I wasn't buying commercial sprays to kind of like figure out where I actually wanted to be. And like some stuff's easy too. Like I was doing some hemp work and CBD work and that shit reverses really, really easily. And so you get this false sense of confidence. That same thing with auto flowers. I reversed autos after that and did some of that work. And that shit is super easy. You know what I mean? At least the low writer stuff that I was working with was like just went every time. And so, um, then you get into doing multiple different types of clones and you start tripping over your dick and you're just like, Oh, what the fuck happened? This has worked every single time that I did this. Why isn't it working now? And then you kind of realize like, and that happens over and over again. You're like, okay, well, I don't like know what I'm doing at all actually. And so for me, it was once I started documenting concentrations, blending different concentrations and like doing kind of just like basic trials like that where I was like, okay, well this is all almost always too much. You know what I mean? This is damaging the plant. It's counterproductive. And I'm like the concentration and the frequency is too much. And so yeah, timing is really important. Concentration is important. And then knowing the plant that you have is also like, obviously part of it because it's like, if you don't know it's like general flower rate, then you're probably going to be thrown off. Like if it takes a long time to initiate flower for a normal female flowering, it's probably going to take longer during the reversal too. You know, you may be doing extra weeks of sprays that you don't do with an eight or nine week common cut, you know. But yeah. I'll toss in one more. And this is the thing that I probably get asked even by pros like that have been reversing some seeds, some feminized seeds is the most important thing is patience because like on my bottle, it says wait 24 days. 24 days until you see any sort of reversal going on. And usually by 24th day, you're like it's not going to happen. And that's usually about the time it starts to happen when you start breathing out. But it's usually 24 days before you see any initiation, any of the common clone types out there that aren't hemp before you even see balls. And then from there out, it's usually like two and a half weeks, two weeks until it drops and matures if it's going. Yeah. That's the number one thing. I want to say it took about four to five weeks to see any sacks like wanting to open. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. And then like Luke was saying to numbers is big. You want multiple small plants. I'd say at least two if you're doing one variety. And then usually I'll do a second backup variety that I usually have some more confidence in or have like reversed before and kind of know it's whole stick and deal. And so yeah, like you having a backup plan for if that reversal fails is pretty key because otherwise you're like flowering stuff. You don't want flower from necessarily even feeding it differently. Like you're just kind of off at that point. You're like, well, I'm either going to kill all these plants and start over. But if you have that backup plan, then you're like, well, I'm still happy with this. You know what I mean? I'm happy that I made this and I didn't waste my time and electrical and space and all that. I think also another thing too is like when you're flowering males, you know, you kind of see a lot of the flowers open, you know, at one time. I feel like in reversals, it's very like, you know, sporadic, like a few open here, there. But granted, that's, you know, only with the one plant I reverse, which was Sweet Pea. So what the fuck do I know? Yeah. No, it tends to be correct. You don't see a lot of things open. That Sweet Pea looked real good though, man. That was a good reversal. Hey, maybe the next one, man. Yeah, yeah. Hey, but sometimes you get it to perfectly reverse, but the pollen's just like not viable enough or whatever reason. Yeah. Like sometimes pollen drop doesn't mean shit. Yeah, exactly. Or like if you're trying to do an S1, then especially not, you know, like when I did that AJ sour reversal, like it barely made any seeds on itself. It made like 20, but on everything else, it was perfectly fine. You know what also is common is like getting the plant to then take the pollen, right? So you see all the pistols die off, all that stuff, or whatever you call them, stigma die off. And then you see seeds forming, and then they won't mature because of either plant health or whatever else. I saw that even this last time with the blueberry and cross. One of the plants is in lower health. So the seeds started forming, but they just ended up in a lot of immature seeds. So there is that too. Like it's not always guaranteed even if you seed it. Have you guys fucked around with the, uh, throwing them back under veg light after like, Oh yeah. Yeah. It works pretty well for me. It makes very healthy seeds. Yeah. I was told like to expect a higher proportion of like malformed and white seed, but like they all came out pretty good. It was a lighter color. Maybe it wasn't like dark. Sometimes it could be gray modeled, but I did, I've gotten some amazing seeds doing that. Like I did one round of, um, the fake Irene, the first time, and then the second time I did that, I did it with the revenge and made seeds with the same bonnet mill. And it made some of the most like healthy, robust, brown tiger stripe seeds I've ever seen. Yeah. And being able to hold them side by side and look at them was pretty wild. Well, I'm just freeing up flower space. You know what I mean? Not spending all that time and having that dedicated space for, you know, eight to 12 weeks. Yeah. That's just huge. There is a follow-up question from screwston, which is, um, I meant it for both of you. Um, any common threads that you see with plants that are difficult to reverse? I would say not always. No, because like, like Girl Scout cookies, reverse is just fine. And it's one of the most dense plants there is, in my opinion. Um, not now anymore. I mean, because there's more kids, hybrids of it, but at the time, the Girl Scout cookies were super dense. And I remember thinking when I went into that, that some of the more dense plants or some of the ones I always had the hardest time with, because the flower clusters and how the floral clusters set up for reversals, they would stack in so tight, they wouldn't mature. That one reverses really well. Um, same with Bubba Cush, it reverses really well and has very, very dense flower stacking. Um, I have found that a lot of the more loose, airy types, like older, what you would call a traditional sativa dominant strains, um, they tend to reverse really well. But again, not always. There's not, um, there's no hard set, fast rules yet. Well, I've, what I've noticed with all the ones that I've tried and failed to reverse multiple times is they kind of fall into different categories depending on like what branch of the general family tree they lie on. Like the AJ, the sour stuff, I feel like it's just self incompatible at some genetic level. You know, so that's one type versus like the reverseals just doesn't make pollen sacks and doesn't drop pollen, you know, and the pollen's super low, like super low, not very viable, like when you do. And so it's just, um, I feel like there's different reasons why things don't work out in reversals. And, um, for like the really hard to reverse plants and like they, I think it's just different genetic like walls that you hit. And so, and those will probably lie similar with the levels of the plants that are in, you know. Yeah. Nice. Um, anything else on reversals? No. I guess here's another one that maybe some people, it might be not common sense to some people, but like there's no need to spray the leaves when you're doing reverse. You know, um, Boy, armpits. Yeah. Right. Yeah, that's that's just like one thing I've, you know, again, just being like a newer person that. That's what has started. Yeah. Spray the more pits. Yeah. Well, cause the leaves, they just end up getting super damaged after a few sprays anyway, even to the lightly dose spray. And so, uh, like with the spray that I'm playing with, like after the third spray, like there's usually a decent amount of damage that you'll see on the plant. And that's like the higher concentration and then the different additives. And so, um, you know, it's just something to keep in mind that it's like the more of the plant you spray, the more damage you're causing to it, which is going to have a stress response that may not work in your favor. Exactly. Nice. Okay. And Scrooge Sten's last question was more general. Um, what plants are you guys excited, most excited about currently? And I guess they're. Pring pie. Pring pie. Pring pie because you get to call him cocky. That's a good name. I'm keeping that name. I'll say interpret that whatever way you want, whether it's like a plant that you're actually growing or something that you are interested in working with. Yeah. Any of, any of those things. Yeah. I'm excited to get into some, uh, electric Boogaloo crosses. That's definitely first up on the list. I've got some blueberry, the blue bonnet F twos. Those are going in on the next one too. Um, and then what else? I've got some more stuff from high and lonesome that I need to check out, but I definitely want to get in on the mango hay stuff. Like I have to. I've never flowered any like real types of haze like that. I also need to hit up Pico for some of the, the nightcap. Wasn't it? Yeah. I think that was his, the sandalwood one. I really want to try that out too. And so, um, that's like my next venture is like getting into real long flowering stuff that isn't just like sour or Ken. Mango haze is really good, dude. I agree that 2009 was my first growth mango haze. And it was one of my first real experiences with haze. Uh, after that, I had to pitch stuff, but they were very similar. There was some similarities between Boogaloo. I thought it was pretty good. Oh, and I'm tossing that Jesus OG in again for flower. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, get my tea, get my tea lean on again. It was good, dude. It was amazing extracts. I thought. Yeah. The flowers, not quite as nuanced like, um, but the extracts are fucking amazing. So I want to see if it'll dry sift too, because I feel like that would be really amazing. But I think it'll be a cool breeding tool. I'm kind of interested in like a blueberry terpenaline combo. I think that would be really interesting. Yeah. Local. Um, let's see. What are you allowed to talk about? I'm pretty fucking excited for like the dog shit, like the electric Boogaloo, whatever. Um, it's probably one of my favorite plants. You mean the clone itself, right? Yeah. Like the clone itself. I got to smoke it once. At the last party we had a bittersweet SDGruit, super tasty weed, really great high. And, uh, you know, the EB appy is always from H&L. I'm always excited on that shit. Yeah. Sweet pea as always. I'm actually growing out the P91S1 for the first time, and that's really fucking exciting. I'm stoked on that for you. Yeah, because it's like, you know, I've seen in the double digits of like sweet pea, you know, so it's pretty fucking cool to see like the parental gem. Yeah. And the cut that I have doesn't smell exactly like the one that Bitter used. Yeah. But there was a cut that I really like that smelled exactly like that. His is definitely more like true to peanut smell. Yeah. Mine, it has it there, but it has like, I guess like a soapy and sensey weird thing. I don't know. It's like super clean tasting. I don't know how to describe it. And I haven't picked that smell up on his cut yet. Exactly. Sorry, this is a bit of a random interjection, but we're going to talk to sub Rob hopefully next week. And I learned for the first time, looking at some of the ICMEG San Diego Finest threads that P91 is Poe 91. I didn't know that. Yeah, it's one of the stories for the Poe class of 91 is where it comes from. As opposed to like any interstate or anything like that. It's supposed to be Poe class of 91, but it's not. It's just one of the stories that goes with it. It's okay. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. Not confirmed for sure. And then. I'm also. Have the power way. The San Diego. Power way. Power way. Sorry, my bad guys. You know, I'm not from Scandinavia. So yeah. Look at weird Arctic Circle people. I was also going to say that 56 day had banned. Oh, G is also really fucking nice. That should look good. Yeah, I've. I mean, Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. To me, it's SFV. Yeah. Okay. That's cool. I think it's SFV. Like, I think headpil renamed SFV. Yeah. And called it 56. That's a totally big turn that someone kept using on our show. Stupid. Yeah. Okay. That's cool. But yeah. No, regardless, it's, it smells really dank dude. I get a lot. Yeah. Are you also, you, you should have picked just, just before a bandaid haze destroyer. Speaking of hazes. Can we talk about that one now? Yeah. I mean, it was more so like a personal thing. What? They don't send you some of the destroyer. No. That was from another buddy. We cannot talk about this. And. Yeah. I just don't. Yeah. I don't know how much. Yeah. Okay. God. I mean, like, I haven't. Secret. You know, but whatever. It's, it's just for my personal collection. Personal fondlings. Yeah. Yeah. I use the long fans to tickle my butthole. It does it a little better than the broad. Broadleaves. Yeah. Better come on my trip, bro. If you get in trouble, just throw me under the bus. Okay. If my fault. No. I mean, I just, it was. Unexpected. God damn it. 1000. I'm repairable. Hey, I'm just here to like make content. You know. Yeah, right. We're just YouTubers, bro. I'll take a serious. Yeah. But no, sadly, that's just. For fun. No, thanks coming of it. Don't even breathing hard yet. Yeah. Don't, don't even get your hopes up. Everyone just forget, you know, men and black. The fucking memory thing. Yeah. Just forget that we talked about this. Edit. Edit. Okay. Okay. Matt, I mean. You know, after your massive outdoor grow, you know, are there any other. Any exciting. Any plants that you're excited. So I'm going to be remaking bubbleberry this year. Here. And, but I'm going to have to do better planning. Obviously, like the bug factors. Insane outdoors. Like looking insane. It's an ad valley. So like we have white flies. Rims up the wazoo. Like it's just so. You guys have the green aphids down there too. Yeah. And we have, we have everything you could imagine. It's an ad crop problem. It's an ad crop problem. It's an ad crop problem. It's an ad crop problem. It's an ad crop problem. The farmers all spray around here. So it gets kicked. In every direction. It's not their direction. So I don't know if I'll be doing outdoor this year or moving back indoor. Finally, I just had, I have so much stuff to move. But I need to make more bubbleberry because it's finally gone. Almost gone. I don't know. Like I, it's hard to, to keep like. Being excited about working blueberry because I know everybody's so sick of it. Every time I like the blueberry in cross is exactly what I wanted from the project. That's a completed, completed thing. But like there, some of the hybrids are really red. So I like want to go there, but it's like, I keep breeding for blue and all the hybrids, you know, so I don't know. It's, it's hard to keep doing that and keep a viable company going. But it's, it's what I'm excited about still. I haven't, I haven't moved off from the blue breeding just because I understand it so well. And I guess the longer I work with it, the better I understand it, the more predictable the breeding becomes and the less I want to move away because I can predictably breathe. That was a whole goal of everything from the beginning. I'll just say, I don't think there's any shortage of excitement for blue stuff, at least not in like these circles. People are to hear about it. Dude, it's been absent other than what blueberry muffins has been the only blueberry in the market that's been a regular. Yeah. And like, I don't really like it. Like the muffin turps are like not like it's, it's cool. It's nice for the first time, but like it's not the blueberry that I miss and like that I used to get as a teenager. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, yeah, I prefer like the blueberry jam stuff that the bonnet throws. Yeah. That's where I'm at with it. I don't know. Like there was a few years there where there was a lot of downtime and nobody was like crawling up my stomach. Yeah. Like blueberry. I've had that before. Blah, blah, blah. And it's like, no, not this one, but like how many times have people heard that in Canada? It's not this one. It's just not, you know. So it's taken years and years of enough people trying it for it to build its own scene. Yeah. Now we're there and now stuff's selling out. You know, so like I got to go back and remake it. But by the point it's remade or people still going to be interested. That's always how this game goes. I think in those right though, I think you need to do blueberry permanent marker. I mean, after someone just told me Mac Daddy's in-house, I just puked in my mouth and I'm just kidding. Things that's not outhouse seeds. Yeah, maybe. I mean, on this note, I do have a blueberry and cross girl that's just started flowering. So I am excited about that. Nice. Yeah. I'm excited to see how you like it. Yeah. Did you do a blue cookies? I did. Yeah. Four or five. Four or five. Yeah. No, but I mean on the recent one. No. So the very first blue cookies cut came out of our, what was it? It was original diesel BX1 cross to cookie berry, which was the forum cut riot berry. And that's what that blue cookies cut that midnight farms had. Got it. So that was from the like, not the original, but the first cross of the original. And it wasn't as blueberry as I wanted. It wouldn't have been my selection for it. It's the one that went around. Yeah. I did a lot of cookie berries. OGKB cookie. It's like the most preferred cut of the mung of all time. I'm not. Yeah. Every time I've ever been with a group of mung people, like they're like trying to get me to grow blue cookies, or they like have blue cookies they want to show you. And like, I've seen some really good. Yeah. I've actually seen some really nice ones. And like, I remember some kid gave me like eight bag seeds of a blue cookie that was really good that I got to see the weed of. And it came in like a little Marlboro cellophane. Yeah. Yeah. But they didn't pop. And so I was pissed because that was really good weed. Yeah. It's strong. It's just, it's not blueberry like I would have wanted. Like that's like an OGKB blueberry, blue bonnet or blueberry IX would be really nice. The OGKB, we did that one. And then I think I have some of those. We did a back cross to OGKB with OGKB cross to. Dan has some. Dan, we definitely have some. Yeah. Whatever you, whatever you made. Yeah. I think you sent me some. Yeah. Oh yeah. Scrooge. I'm just saying. Yeah. There you go. Scrooge is growing some. Oh, okay. They're gorgeous. And like I said, the OGKB BX one was awesome. But it was so blue dominant still, which was when I really, that was early on. So I was still really learning like how dominant blue bonnet bread that point. So it's not a true, what I would call a BX one. No good. Perfect. OGKB representation stands blue. And it is a lot of very. But it does exist. It's nice. Nice. Okay. What's next from Pascal's law. Okay. Yeah, that's right. This is like a very philosophical, political question. What are your biggest hopes for the future of cannabis? What are your worst fears? I think we've realized some of my worst fears already. And I don't think it's really going to get better anytime soon. But. I'll be basic. Let me start this off. I want to be real basic here and just say. It would be nice to have full decriminalization. Obviously like no regulation. But I mean, to me, that's an obvious answer. So yeah, like true decriminalization, because there's been a lot of studies that have shown that like in certain. Minority youth categories that arrest are up under legalization. In places like LA and. They're still getting like every day in the news here. People are getting popped. Where I'm from. Yeah. And so like, it's not really true. You know, and so. I think a lot of people are like, yeah, it sucks now, but at least nobody's going to prison for this shit. And I'm like, well, you still do. If you are like the wrong color skin and you have more than enough. Right. And so. Like it's. Do you guys know about Germany's. News. I know that they are doing something. I can't remember if it's like a full. Someone doing. Right. They have some weird rec set up that they're doing. I think. Yeah. And so like it's not really true. You know. And so I think a lot of people are like, yeah, I think it's actually pretty good. But again, yeah, someone, maybe someone in the chat knows. Oh, I just have no trust anymore. That's just my. Yeah. That's what I'm at. Like any kind of any kind of country attached to the United States and any, any type of way is going to go our, our route with the legalization. Whether it's Australia, whether, you know what I mean, like any place remotely attached to. The UN even probably will have, have issues like we did where it's just corporatocracy. My hopes for future. Okay. So if there's firms that it's legal now. Yeah. And we know it's quote unquote legal. We're just trying to figure out like what that actually means. Yeah. He says four plants each. So there's still restrictions. Yeah. See, that's not legal to me. That's not legal. Yeah. I remember. For me to hold clones. I remember it's four plants. And I remember that the person was talking about it to say four plants of which you can only yield X amount. And it was such a low amount. That it was, it didn't make sense for even four plants. Like, like four ounces over the total of four plants. Okay. So yeah. Yeah. Fish farm. No. So what we're talking about is like having no restrictions, like, like treated like a tomato pot. Yeah. Like legal, legal, not, not legal. Yeah. At the same time, I don't know. I don't want to rain on Germany's parade. Like it's still something I guess, but like even in a regulated system, you could have something that's like a farmer's market that kind of replicates our pop-up shows and like has a structure behind it and licensing and fees that go to the state and taxes collected. They just know that it would usurp their system because they can't provide that level of quality. You know what I mean? Like right now, if you go and meet up with a bunch of these guys running big companies, they, I think that they are so delusional that they've convinced themselves that the shits not mids. You know, they see what's on the landscape and they see all these other rich kids growing shitty weed. And they're just like, Oh, well, I'm actually crushing it. Mine's better than theirs. I have the best. I yield more than them. So this is top shelf. You know what I mean? And I'm like, well, if the market's baseline is shit, then like your weeds one step above shit, like none of us are getting good weed. And exactly screw their taxes and regulation. Like, I'm back to like fully just like cowboy. Like just like, I don't give a fuck anymore. Like I'm going to do what I'm going to do and like come and fucking get me. You know what I mean? Like, it's just like even put my face out here and shit. It's just like, Oh, well, like what are you serious? Like, you know, like how much shit I could say about the shit that I like happens legally every day in the state. You know what I mean? That you guys willfully overlooked because you're getting paid. You know what I mean? The department of cannabis control. Everything that California has going on. It's an absolute joke. And that's what the rest of the complete country is emulating. And so an imitating. And so it's just like to me, it's just a, until I can show up with my fucking pickup truck with a couple pounds of weed, with their fucking state stamp on it and shit, and I can pitch it to you man to man, you know what I mean? Man to woman, whatever in fucking a farmer's market, then like I can actually sell you that weed and convince you that it's like, this is why it costs more. And this is why it's better, but they've completely taken that out of the way. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? That's not even possible. And so to me, that's like willful deception to the larger market that doesn't know better in part by the state and lobbyists that do know better, that represent these companies, you know? And so it's just big business corporate America in a nutshell. And so I don't really have much optimism, but we can still do our own thing. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like small collectives of people that are just friends that grow weed together, like exactly like the discord community is. Like that's what we need more of because then you don't have to go and buy weed from the fucking shop and get charged through the ass on taxes and like get kind of shitty weed. Very limited scope. It's almost like a union in a sort of collective. Yeah. No, it's like this is our shit. Rights and everything. I mean, that's, that's what it is about people getting together and not being fucking completely greedy bastards. Yeah. That's the hardest part with humans because it's like when, when bad humans see good things happening with, between a group of people where everything is all equal, it looks like something they can prey on. And that's like always the first to wreck it. And that's the hardest part is just knowing kind of, you know, let the threats in need. Well, I've met a lot of these rich dudes and like they tie. I don't even know if morality is a question and what they do. It's like the moral thing to do is whichever thing makes the most money for them. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's almost what it seems like to me, but like seriously, like it's anytime you get people that's, that are basically middle men, financial middle men, trying to squeeze dollars out of something else that someone else is producing and like, cause you know what I mean? Like we go out there. The idea is that like you go and you work, you make production, you get paid for said production. But there's so many people in our economy that are just bringing a few pennies out of every little thing that someone else is doing. And if you get enough of that, you can make a ton of money. And that's when you start making shitty decisions where it's like, I talk about this all the time. My wife hates fucking hearing about it, but I'm always talking about how like a business nowadays, like a corporation's obligation is to the shareholders, not to the actual customer anymore. And that's why we keep getting things where it's like, well, why is the quality of like every experience in retail and fast food and everything else going down? And it's like, because someone else is ringing dollars out of it and someone else is having to make up that gap by like, over at like giving people too many hours. Like it all ties together, you know what I mean? It's our economic model that's broken. Hold on, I got to show this one. I remember this guy came in last time. He's not old enough. Unfortunately. I mean, maybe he is. Yeah, you never know. If anything Denali is my fucking dad. So he was in the right place at the right time. I've made that happen. I want to now to be my dad as well. I'll adopt him. Yeah. He's a good dad. Local. What's your philosophy local? What's your take on the political situation right now? I don't know, dude. I'm like the last person to ask about the politics. But I don't know. I just don't want to get in trouble for growing plants. You know, that's, that's really it, you know? Yeah. On the less political side. No, fuck the man. Stay with me now. Fuck the man. But on the less political side, I think like for me, it's kind of saying where like the culture is going to go because like, I don't know. I believe that a lot of people my age are just like, lost causes, dude. So yeah, just kind of curious to see where it's going to go. Yeah, no, fuck the man. Yeah, I agree. I don't know. I just, it's hard to find anything optimistic to say about it. You know, at this point, we haven't seen really any upswings in anything positive in my opinion for cannabis. The events that we used to have were amazing, not even say amazing. They were cool, like old Emerald Cup and stuff like that, where it's at now versus even five years ago. It's a hot shit mess. No disrespect to the Emerald Cup people. It's just a lot of people can't participate anymore that we're the driving force behind it. And that's why it's lost popularity. Shit, I mean, laws, period, price of cannabis, us being able to support our family, we've always done, like all that's changed, none for the better quality. What positive is there to say more people smoking, but who gives a fuck? Like quality over quantity. You know what I mean? Like quality people over quantity of people is the real thing. I don't know. And it's lost the sense of community in many ways in that respect. I mean, not everybody listens to the Grateful Dead granted, you know, but there was some sort of community there. And I feel like that's just all over the place. I do have to say that more and more random people that just casually smoke weed have been hitting me up for seeds and clones and stuff. And I've been going out of my way to like literally any person that's just an acquaintance of my day-to-day life. If they're like, hey, man, I heard you really like weed. You know, it's like, I'll give them like fucking 100 seeds. Yeah, like, you know, a couple different things, like 10 seeds, like 10 different things or something like that. And just like try and spark that interest. Cause I'm like, yeah, you can just do this for yourself. He's going to get hit so hard now after this show. IRL are going to come meet me in real life and then we'll talk. But I've been, I don't know, whenever I have like less, like I'm always like trying to do too many things at once. But like, I would love to have like a thing or once a month. We all met up at some dude's ranch or some shit and just got high and fucking drank a few beers and talked about weed and shit. I would love to have that in my community. I just don't have the time in my life to like structure it. I'm like trying to like be self-employed and like fucking do all a million different things at once. You know, and so, you know, but anyway, like maybe at one point, you know, more people need to do that kind of stuff because it's cool, man. It's nice to like actually hang out with people that like have like interest because weed and being a weed nerd is kind of like, it's a bubble in a bubble. You know what I mean? It's like a burrito full of burritos, bro. Yeah, like people don't get it when they're like, oh, so you really like weed. And I'm just like, yeah, let's not talk about it. Yeah, I do. The waters are too deep for a casual first conversation. Yeah. I mean, I think I'll just echo what lots of people have said. My hope is that it's just currently a very immature, it's at a very immature stage and like the, you know, like beer, it will get, you know, to a better place. That's probably as optimistic a spin as I can put on it right now. But yeah, the weed swapped me. Fuck yeah. I'm good. That HLV. Right. So one of the things that Pascal's law, I always thought it was Pascal's law. I don't know why, but Pascal's law makes me. I think it's a play on both. Yeah. Okay. Okay. One of the things that I noticed he asked in this other one, it says for future viral threats. And that wasn't even a part of the process in my brain right now as we were talking about the future cannabis. But yeah, that's a major fucking issue. Right. Local. Like this is a real thing. Yeah. It's a real thing. As in AIDS. It's, yeah, it's like the SCD of. Of the weed world. Yeah. HLV really does show up places. People don't understand. And like trading. It's abundant. It's, I mean, it's, yeah, it's, it's one of the costs you pay. Sometimes shit doesn't even look sick dude. Like you wouldn't even know area. Exactly. Yeah. And then other things you're like, yeah, that's 1000% sick. Like I can visually identify something's wrong, but. I don't know. It's just like, you know, you got to like understand. How it transmits. So like, you know, exchanging a runoff, you know, like, you want to have everybody on like a riser or something. Or on their each individual. Saucer so that the runoff doesn't touch the bottom of another plant, because that's how to contract it. You don't want them to exchange fluids. You know, xylem flow. Yeah, that that too. Yeah. But yeah, it's just like, I mean. Yeah, every every little step kind of counts. Like if, you know, say you've, you forgot to bleach a pair of scissors and you didn't realize it, you know, like. You may have infected something you may have not. And I think the most important thing to nail home is that some plants, like we're noticing, like. They may not look sick at all. Visually it's not something you can necessarily detect visually. A lot of them can carry it and don't necessarily show any of the disease. But if you have those in your garden, they can infect other plants that really show the disease real fast. So it really is about either being super clean, only popping from seed, not taking in clone onlys and playing that game or constantly being able to have access to testing. Yeah, no shared root zones between varieties either. That's a huge. Yeah, it's like even fucking cloning trays and shit. Like, I don't know, dude. Like once you run into a scare, it's just like. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Every last thing for over course. So. Yeah. And I mean, I work with it, you know, so I kind of see how it spreads to you. So. It's just like. Once you kind of see it, you just, you would rather want to stay. Like on top, like be precocious, you know, rather than like, oh shit, you know, my plants are. Sick. Maybe I should put them on their own saucers. So. Yeah. It's a really, really good point for not using aerocloners too. Like if you're doing collecting, don't use aerocloners. Oh man. That's that disease. Yep. You can fuck your entire collection like that. Super fast. I wish I still had mine. I used to have a couple of 128 cell ones and I have some. I want to flower. Yeah, go. Yeah, dude, I have one. Come pick up, bro. It is ready to rock. Fuck. Yeah, dude. We still got to go to the underground garden down by you. I sent you that shit, right? Yeah. Yeah, you did. That shit looks crazy. That does. We got a lot to do. Yeah. And then I guess another thing to add, but they probably covered this on the teamie podcast is leaves and roots can show very different results. That's right. Yeah. So you get them tested. Yep. Yeah. Parts of the plant being tested, but again, nail it home. There are carriers that don't necessarily show it. So don't assume that you can see it. Like plants can stay very healthy looking that are less susceptible to the virus, but still carry it and transfer it to other ones that don't assume any of it. I'm laughing at comments. Yeah. Yeah. Someone remembers back in the day. Yeah. Back in the day in 2017. Yeah. We were talking about getting back then. It's been around for a while. It just took a long time for us to understand what that truly means. Yeah. And I'll also add, like I've worked on clone trading discords and like, I can guarantee you those fucking gardens aren't as clean as some people. Right. Dude, like I see some pictures and I'm like, I'd be damned, you know, like what the fuck? You know, I'm not a big advocate for clone cells. Yeah. People that don't understand what they have in their room and that's abundant as fuck. I get messages from people all day. Hey, I heard this clone for sale. Is this a good price for it? And I just smack my head like, don't even get it. Yeah. I just can't get over how many of these people use the phrase breeders cut. That's when I know you're full of shit. Yeah. You've got every breeder selected cut of every single one of these varieties. Exactly. Cup winning breeders cut. Oh, I met so and so. And it's like, how can you prove that? Yeah. How can you prove that you got from this person? They're like, well, I know him. And I'm just like, well, like, cool. Okay. We have a few questions from do be. I assume that's how you say it, right? That it's not. That's the point of his name, right? Do be anyway. Taking care of and feeding long flowering plants. Let's say 12 weeks and longer. Local you want to go? I know you've had a few. I mean, it's the same process. It is. Yeah. I mean, you're kind of just elongating. The feed, you know, like say. Because most schedules are designed for like nine week crops. So it's like, you're not going to feed it 14 week plant in a nine week period. But yeah, I mean, I kind of just keep them fed because they go longer. They'll get hungry or whatever. But yeah, any specifics? I mean, don't go. Do you want to help do that translation? So for a nine week feed, what are the, you know, they're like a few segments, right? How would that translate to like a 14? Beginning flowering, mid flower and flower. Yeah. You just elongate each set. Yeah. Like a 12 week plant versus a nine week plant. Each set gets. Well, and like a lot of the feed, like if you follow like a bottle recipe that's like, you know, like if you're running canna, they say like, Oh, if you have longer flowering plants, like repeat weeks, like three to four has as many times as you need to like then. And then once you get to like, you know, I don't know, like seven or eight. Well, yeah, we call it final swelling. Growers, we should all know what final swelling is. The final swell. Yeah. The end stage begins. Yeah. Well, there's the heavy experience. But with also with longer flowering plants, like they don't necessarily like nitrogen is heavy. Yeah. You don't need to feed as heavy with them. You don't need to water as much necessarily with narrow leaf dominant plants. There's little tricks like that that you'll learn over time, but generally speaking, it's just the longer stretched out of the same thing. I do want to say that reminded me. That reminded me. That's like a little distracted at first that dude. Name was do be the first guy that I saw growing indoor. His name was do be. He passed away recently. So RIP do be RIP do be just to clarify, not the same person who asked the question. Obviously not. No, it was my home. It was my homies dad. He passed away too young. So anyway, rest in peace. Yeah. And after this sweet. Well done, dude. Well done. Was that a salmon? In the middle. Fuck yeah. Okay. Follow up from do be experiences changing growing styles during your growing career. Anything from minor tweaks to major major like style change. I guess I've done everything and it all. Yeah. It all works except for me. I didn't ever get deep water culture. Like our DWC. I could never do it. Right. I never nailed that. I don't know if it's because I didn't have a perfect chiller. Whatever it is. I never had a chiller. Probably why it didn't work. Yeah. I tried it a few times, but I think you need a major chiller to make it work. But I don't know. I couldn't do it. My friend was working on a farm in Oklahoma that had like a whole greenhouse of that shit. Yeah. And I was like, that's too much. Yeah. Like to maintain that, it just looked like a nightmare. Yeah. I was like, I'd rather have just like 20 gallon pots of soil or like million one gallon plants. Yeah. If I had my say, if I had my, my say in my space perfect or grunting at the time, my druthers, I would run tables nonstop tables, cocoa tables. Oh yeah. I agree. Just because like and have it just be, you know, flood and drain, flood and drain, flood and drain. Nice and easy. I want to do that with these blue dream S ones after I get the initial. Oh, I know for a fact the clone. Yeah. Yeah. Three inch pots of that shit. Just like single spears. That dude, that waking life in like a one gallon pot. Absolutely. Like fucking sleigh dude. Oh, I bet. Yeah. I can only imagine in like rock wool or some shit. Smaller pot, single cola. I'm going to be meamed into out of existence. Did you see the one he posted after the last episode I did? Yeah. He posted it for like a second and deleted it. And it was me over like some shirtless model or whatever. You need to get you in some Tom of Finland picks with like a mustache and like it all naked. Yeah. I knew it was coming. I want to reframe that question. Have any of you had to change styles out of necessity? Like out of some kind of like situational speaking of speaking of renting. Like I started off using doing tables and I quickly found like when I got a 24 hour notice, tables fucking suck for that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got a 24 hour notice tables fucking suck for that. Like because all of a sudden you're having to take plants out of a certain system of feed that they can't be dry like that all the time because they're constantly having a flooding system. I moved them all to single pots and that's when I realized I have to do a hand feed drain to waste after that point because it just wasn't going to work any other way. Like renting kind of necessitated that change. Like having people come into your growth, having to hide your growth, necessitated that change. So, you know, that's one thing to think of. If you're renting, don't necessarily jump into tables because it's a really risky situation at that point. They're harder to take down. Keep them small if you do. Yeah. Get some two by fours. Yeah. They fit in the Subaru and in a black trash bag, you know. Yeah. Like pots, pots you can fit about 90 of the three gallon into a small U-Haul if you really stack it hard. Yeah. Yeah. That was my main thing for me. I just bought my first house and so my style changed a lot once I actually like owned a house. So, I like, my setup's different now because I like framed out a little flower room and I'm going to frame a little bedroom too in cloning space. And so now I can be a lot more permanent, but like the mobile setup, which I feel like a lot of people are stuck with. For me, it's like, yeah, two by fours, small tents, grow Dan because you bring in bags of soil into your apartment. How the fuck do you do that? Yeah. I used to do it into a big apartment complex. It wasn't easy. It's just always at night. It's as white as you fucking can. People see that shit. My landlord was literally, so he was floor level with street level and I had to park right in front of his window and bring it downstairs right under him. And I lived under my landlord and grew above him to the left of him behind him, across from him and below him. And I was like, yeah, it was not fun. And then disposing of all that. That's what I mean is getting rid of it. Like the growth and makes it easy because you're just taking the trash out. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of what I do. You know, the bottles, all the plastic bottles, all the fucking shit hiding all that shit. It was a nightmare. I have so many like canna jugs that I not like, you know, like used ones. Yeah. Yeah. Because like, I'm not just going to throw shit away in residential, you know, homeless people are going to fucking go. Oh, they'll dig it out and then like, yeah, leave it outside the can and right. That's when you go use someone you don't like scan. Exactly. I did a lot of that and yeah. Whatever. We all know you're just staying up late gaming and you're pissing in those canna jugs. Yeah. The whole tub is just filled with piss jugs of canna. Nitrogen man. Nitrogen formula. Oh, shit. Yeah, I know I've changed, especially with clone when it came to cloning. I've tried every single cloning technique from arrow cloner to, you know, domes to God bubble cloners, all kinds of different things. And I always end up going back to domes. I always end up going back to domes. I like soil man. Like I tried doing the cocoa thing for the small scale indoor and I didn't get bad results, but I was just kind of always mad at it, you know what I mean? And I felt like it was harder to dial in certain plants and then like I just went back to pro mix and like small amendments to it, like dry amendments and like fucking great. Love it. And then I blended all that cocoa into so it's kind of like a king's mix. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. So I guess it's all hybrid of all now, but good shit. Yeah. Good shit. I've never really thought or heard of something like this before. Have you guys I could see it maybe stressing it out and showing a herm trait that may have already been there, you know, because GD four is super her me. Yeah, it could be. I mean, if it's a seed plant, doesn't it still have still have some kind of her me too? Yeah. Like the worst way possible. So this could be a stress thing as well. What do you think? Sorry. Yeah, it's super stressful to graft a plant. Like most of them die until you get really dialed in. Like when I was watching people do it and like got to do a few trays, all of mine died on my first few attempts, you know, and then like one dude just had the touch. And so like he was grafting all kinds of shit. Yeah, I had a friend who could do that. I wasn't very good at grafting. Well, what we noticed was the rootstock is very important. And you'll find a plant that's very a very compatible root stock compared to everything else. And it's not always what you think it was. Like to me, I was blown away. I was like, that piece of shit plant is like the best root stock we have. Like, okay. I mean, I guess it actually has a use in my mind now because like, I don't know how to fuck we even flower it. So hold on. What in what context were you grafting to begin with? Like, were you trying to do like the apple thing, like the apple tree thing? No, we were trying to like see if we could improve vigor on hard to grow plants with shitty root systems. And like just low vigor in general. So it was like Z stuff, OG stuff. And put it on a more vigorous root stock to see if it helped it grow better. And what we realized is that it kind of relieved viral symptoms. If you had a cut that was just dotted out, it's the only copy you have access to and you still wanted to use it. You could get it like out of the full dead zone where it'll flower normally, make some seeds and move on. That way you can trash the cut. And so I did that with like the Hindu Skittles. That's where those came from. And so I did that with like the Hindu Skittles. That's where those came from. And so I did that with like the Hindu Skittles. That's where those came from. So the Hindizi? Yeah. They were doing those, yeah. Because, you know, they, it's a thing with like, obviously like agricultural crops, right? Yeah. They almost breed for root stocks. I think it'd be cool be for plant counts too, you know, someone should start a company doing that and be like, hey, you got three varieties, just grow one massive outdoor and you'll stay into your plant count, you know, whatever. You'll get three varieties, some shit like that. Yeah, I've seen those kind of like Hydra, you know, those like on the forum, some guy doesn't really cook like Hydra project with like five different strains on one, one plant kind of thing. Yeah. But who gives a fuck about plant counts anyway, man? Yeah. You're already grown dope. Like, Yeah, right. We've already grown dope, man. We've already grown dope. We've already grown dope. We've already grown dope, man. For real. Just do it. Like, just be nice to your neighbors and they won't rat you out. Exactly. That's why I'm glad of homing. I got this dick next store, like fucking ratted me out to my landlord. Why I had to like rip my shit apart mid-summer last year. Just like, fuck you, dude. Cause I have six outdoor plants. Like, I don't even, it wasn't even six, it was five. Yeah, I have, I have a neighbor like that right now. Who's like, he worked for the county is like a, I don't know, like a tax person or something. And he's always looking over my fence constantly. So I have to move him. That's cool. This guy got two different, two different graphs to work out. Grafted onto Steve Murphy's purist. I haven't seen any tree flowers in the other week. That's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah. Cause we had really high failure rates depending on what the root stock was. So that's cool. It's like not, you know, not going to be the same for everyone, you know. Peach said a mess. That's right. That's right, peaches. Like Count D's nuts. Yeah. Look out for D's nuts genetics and D's remodels. And blue cocky. Yeah. Caleb's shop cannot add seeds to the back. I'll tell, I'll let him know. It's, so try a different browser too. We had the same web person at some point and I agree it needs to be totally redone. I, there's, yeah, I need, both of our sites need to be totally redone. I should do that. I'm capable of it. I just have so much other shit to do. Yeah. I'll tell, I'll let him know if they're not working. Yeah. Definitely try a different browser if you haven't. Yeah. I can be a big issue with kind of archaic old websites. They can be very browser specific. If you don't kind of. Here's a good question for everyone. Here's a good question for everyone. You guys all go ahead. What was the first strain that smoked that got you hooked blueberry excluded? For you guys. Blue cheese. Bubba Christian has won. Oh yeah. That's a good one. Blue cheese. Blue cheese. Yeah. Local. God damn. God damn God damn. Blueberry excluded. Blue cheese. I'd say probably some of the first good weed was from bitters like that I've had and was from bitters sweet pea for sure. My first was a purple train wreck. Purple, purple train wreck. I had some like purple pineapple train wreck and humble at one time. It was a HPRC and it was all seeded and it was really good. But that was actually one of the first seed runs that I like grew plants out of. It was just bag seed. There was a killer purple train wreck cut in San Diego. It was supposed to be purple oracle train wreck and I usually don't like purple oracle anything but I really like train wreck. So I kind of leveled it out to where it was no anxiety but just really stony. That was the first time I wasn't getting like weird anxiety from a purple. I really liked that one quite a bit. It showed me that I can like that kind of shit. Yeah. I do the whole dude next door probably smokes dope. I smell that shit. It smells dope. Not mine. We call this soft power. Soft power. Soft power? Like that. Yeah. My neighbor's an old single lonely dude who likes to fuck with my lawn and take my garbage. Don't jerk him off, bro. No. He's not hot enough, dude. He's not hot enough. He's not your pipe. He's not your pipe then you can't do it. Yeah. But no, this dude like fucks with my garbage cans and like loads up all my shit. And like if I like, I don't know. He just pisses me off so much. And he'll like run my sprinklers and I'm like, I don't give a fuck about lawns. I'm like, lawns like slow sprinklers. Yeah. I'm like, dude, like I don't care about the lawn. It's like less. It's like a hundred square feet in front of my house. And like I run your sprinklers. Oh yeah, bro. And like he leaves notes like on my car like, oh, you need to run this 30 minutes a day, four days a week during the summer. He's a landscape architect. He's an HLA. I wanted to leave a note on his car that just said, fuck you. Is it a homeowner's association there or something? Fuck no, dude. We're in the city. He's just an asshole. This is an old ass neighborhood with just this douchey old dude who has the nicest house on the block. God, I hate those people. Yeah, he's just a fucking dick. Worrying about the fucking lawn. He might be watching that shit in a tomato farm. He's not, dude. He's so fucking lame. Fuck you, Gary. Gary. Fucking Karen. What a fucking dude, man. I'm so glad I'm moving this weekend. Yeah, fuck yeah. Right, we're kind of at the end of the questions, but I wanted to ask Dan about something because we probably will do a whole episode on this. But like a couple of weeks ago, you were really wanting to rant about polyploids. Oh yeah, yeah. You want to give us like a little like some context for that? Well, it's all the rage right now. Like HSC just released like a fucking hour long video on it like two weeks ago. I couldn't even get through it. Yeah, I was like. I loved HSC. Yeah, right. Unfortunately, why I'm wearing this flannel is because I have one of their old shirts on that I paint in. I know. And I was like, I'm covering this shit up, man. That's what I love for them. Polyploids are great. Oh, that's fine, man. They're whatever. They're running a business. It's just a shenanigan, another shenanigan to chase for people that aren't. Yeah, well, the whole thing that people are chasing is seedless, right? And like, I've read all these papers and like, you don't get seedless. You just don't get fully formed seeds. And maybe it's less, but you get little white seeds. You get pods, man, on a lot of it. I mean, those are the worst. I doubt a lot of them's ability to truly make them and test for them because I don't know. Like they at least hired a real geneticist. You know what I mean? They had him talking that video and shit. I'm like, I haven't looked into the guy at all. He may be bullshit, but like, I don't fucking know him. So we read. We didn't just read a paper on polyploids the other day that just kind of fucking blew most of it out of the water. Well, the only attribute that I can say for sure that might be beneficial is for mass scale, outdoor seedless. You know what I mean? So you're not worried about hemp farms and herms and stuff. You know what I mean? But guess what? Like you're, I don't know. Like, I guess like it doesn't even protect you with the crop itself, herms. You know what I mean? Three sets of chromosomes on a triploid plant. Like they can line up with another triploid item. Yeah, I would imagine. They can. Yeah. And like there's also people doing tetraploid work and I'm like, well, tetraploid, you'll just make mix of ploids and other polyploid. Yeah, tetraploid, I believe, can breed with diploid because you're still going to have an even amount of chromosomes. But like, yeah, triploid can't make tetraploid. But that doesn't mean that there's no seed that forms at all. Exactly. And so I think it's dubious that claim in a nutshell. I haven't really fucked with it in person. So we'll just leave it at that. But like the other things, more in the hemp market that I've seen, and I won't name names. They know who they are. But they have all these things about increased vigor. And at least in CBD plants, there was a significantly different increase in CBD production. But that wasn't true for the THC plants they tested. And so you get a slightly bigger plant. But even when they were looking at the yields, the flower yields weren't increased, the biomass yields were. And everything's all about biomass or these corporate assholes. That's what I mean. Yeah. And so if you're not increasing THC and you're not increasing bud yield, then I don't really see what the point is. Because all you're doing is enabling people to grow more boof and crash the market out at a bigger scale. Because biomass, at least like the way I understood it, like when we were doing lab studies and shit, it's like the entire weight of the plant. That's stem, leaf, root. Yeah. Anything you pull out of the ground that gets put into that fucking bale. And so to me, it just seems fruitless. Maybe I'm wrong. But nobody's actually doing interesting breeding in the larger market anyway. So why would adding a new technique to a bottleneck genetic pool really change anything? Exactly. It's just a new technique. It's a marketing buzzword. It's a marketing buzzword. It's just going to be, I don't think anything's really going to come of it. Just like we haven't really seen anything come up. TC. Mainstream word. Yeah. We've read the paper, Benjamin. That's the paper I was referencing. Biomass increase. What the fucking do? Yeah, biomass is not important to me. It's not something I breed for. I turn into tinctures and hash. It's for me to consume. And so biomass isn't really that useful to me. I'd like this question. We're done. This is a good one. Here you go. Did Eagle 20 give a certain flavor? It's a gas country, man. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe I'm fussy. Dude, I'll tell you what. Before I was educated, I sprayed a lot of spectrocyte. Yeah, spectrocyte. Did we knock? Yeah, yeah. A lot of that. Like the guy that taught me how to do clones, I sprayed every single clone tray with that shit. I learned on Phyton 27. Phyton 27 and spectrocyte mixed together turns black. We would call that black death and then spray that. Oh, you're going to fall out. It was bad. And I would do it without a mask. I'm probably going to have cancer as we speak from it. Yeah, people laugh at me at work because I'm super serious about wearing a respirator when there's just dust in the air even. You know what I mean? I'm like, I'm not breathing that shit in, man. You know how much fucking immunox I breathe in? Oh my god, yeah. Like even me. How much sulfur I breathe? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I just don't use N95s and dust masks anymore, because guess what? You pull it off at the end of the day of working, and the whole inside of the mask is covered in dirt. Yeah. So I have actual. I wear a respirator now. The painter's respirator. Yeah, with the cans on the side? Yeah, for sure. And I was using it. When I used it. When I used it, I didn't start using it until way later. Fun fact is the pink cartridge. It's like a pink magenta. It's not like hot pink. Yeah, there's like a hot pink and then there's like a magenta. There's like three tiers of them. Yeah, but you want to get like that really dark pink for pesticide application. Yeah, I got hot pink. Yeah, I think that's just like the dust and fumes one. Yeah, I don't know. Probably the cheapest one. But yeah, there's a little say on it. They cut that. I think they do call it a tear on there. Yeah, it should be. Yeah. OK, so where we at? Yeah, so we don't really have any questions left. Anything else that we wanted to talk about? He's nuts. Every time. Oh, by the way, when I was having that brain fire earlier, when you talk about the drops, I meant that there might be another blue drop coming another blueberry, you know, another bonnet drop, right? I don't know. Oh, yeah, yeah, I guess there is. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah. Well, no, I said it with him. We were talking about high and lonesome stuff, so it was probably confusing. Yeah, the timeline on it, I'm not sure. There is more blue, blue bonnet, I guess. Yeah, blue bonnet stuff being made, specifically blue bonnet. Or is it blue? No, blue and cross blue bonnet. Or blue and cross stuff being made. We'll see how it goes. Oh, Scrooge Stone says, what to look forward to in this season? Well, I don't know. We, we, there are things there. There might be one very big and exciting thing, but I don't know if I don't think we can talk about that yet. We're going to be doing more with the can of Cabana guys, too. There's a few more of the dudes we want to have on. Some really important ones. Yeah, Sub Rob, too. Sub Rob, I'm stoked for Sub Rob. I love Sub Rob. Sub Rob, like for the, the, the, the, the aren't familiar with him. We have his seeds on our site under Seatrip. Sub Rob was one of the dudes that helped run San Diego's Finest on Ice. He's probably one of the most respected members, him, Sean Cron. There are a few others that those are the ones that I'm closest with. It was just such an influential part of the clone only trading scene during the forum eras of like 07 to 2011. Almost everything ran through San Diego's Finest. And it was one of the, I think, longest running, most pages so far. So they, I think they completely went over page 500 and had to go to a whole new SDS Finest. Yeah, for two, three. It's me. Yeah. Yeah. There's so many. And yeah, I mean, he was, he was the boss of it. He was fucking cool. And he's just very, very down to earth, transparent. We've always gotten along politically and everything. So I'm stoked to have him on. He's fun as fuck. He's also very knowledgeable and very, very humble with his knowledge. So stoked on that one. Yeah, the the Kana Cabana guys. I'm sure there's a lot more we have lined up that we need to go back and touch on. There's going to be some good stuff this season. Yeah. And I mean, just to give some insight into our process, we're really more than a couple of weeks ahead. Like, we're not that professional yet. So it's not like we have the whole season map. It's usually me fucking it up. Or we would be. No, that's not true. Yeah, I don't know. Well, we'll see. We'll see where it goes. Yeah, I mean, that's all for me, really, in terms of, like, talking points today. Yeah, I guess. So yeah, we have the blueberry and cross drop. Go get your book hockey. I'm going to be putting it on the site probably this weekend. Like I said, I'm ahead of schedule on getting the being shut and all that, except I'm waiting for a printer to print the labels. But after that, they're going out. Hopefully Amazon will speed their ass up. But that the blueberry in cross is up for order right now under pre-order is probably going to go up in price after they get made and packaged and sent the first round. I want everybody who gets in on the early drop to have some advantage. If you're part of our Patreon discord, you get 30% off that price, too. And that only costs $5 a month. So $5 a month, you could get $30 off or 40. I don't remember how much it is, but it's a lot off. We also have the goat farm drop that I need to get up to in package, same situation. But you can also get 30% off on those if you're part of our Patreon discord. So check that out. We always shoot the shit on there. It's a lot of fun. Make friends. Make loved ones, permanent loved ones in your life. I don't know. It's like a nice family there. Sometimes we have to whack them all, but it's not too bad. And then high loads of mango haze drops coming up soon. So keep your eyes peeled for that. So stoked, man. Yeah. That shit, some of those photos look just absolutely amazing. Like I had to save a few or I was just like, fuck, I just want to look at that. For the Wank Bank. Yeah, for real, yeah. Like it's just really good. It was just unique, too, and just like different and the resin on it. I was just like incredible. Yeah. I can't wait to smoke some. I guess other than that, I guess this is, I mean, I don't know if we're going to, this is going to be the end of season 10 with the start of season 11. I think they already did the, I don't know. I think I already like committed to this being the first episode of season 11. Yeah, that makes sense. This is season 11, episode one, motherfuckers. Oh, and we have the raffles sometimes in our. Dude, the raffles were fun. Oh, they're super dope. Yeah, they were really fun. One thing I don't want to do is like make gambling addicts. Oh, I'm always concerned with that because like, you know, like in a group based on weed, there come background of a lot of addictions and addictive personalities. So like that would be horrible to trigger something like that. So I'm trying to be very cautious about it. But at the same time, it's a good way to get. We need to keep a tally of who's playing every week. And then once you put like three weeks in a row, you're out, you're out for like two weeks time out. Yeah, no, I just want to be, I want to be careful and also say that, you know, that's always in our thoughts, too. They were just super done with the live chat on there, too. Like co-current with them. Like I was just listening to those and like doing drywall work in my house and shit and like having a blast, man. It made that shit go a lot faster. So we'll probably do one this weekend. So you guys know, I don't know which one yet, but we'll do like maybe, maybe a breeder's pack of the blue bonnet or something like that or a blue and cross. Yeah, got resin on your balls accidentally. Eyeballs and lower balls. Yeah, yeah, you just makes it can irritate the skin because it's sensitive skin on your scrote sack. But in fronty waxing. Yeah, eyeballs though. That's fucked man. That sucks. I got it having to happen nonstop all week while shucking. I've been in some weird trim scenes in Humboldt. So that's not an exaggeration either. Some weird shit used to happen on the hill. Holy, I would love to hear about that another time. Yeah, especially some of the other stories that I heard from like, especially female trimmers like, holy shit, dude, just wild shit happening out there. Oh God. How do I get in on this? Seriously, bro, you got to spill the beans. I know. Man. Part two. Part two. Yeah, part two. Part two. There you go. All right. I guess, yeah, is that going to be it? You guys any last words? Any shout outs this week? Yeah, shout out Papa D. Yeah. Papa D. Hope he's doing well. I love that man. I love that man. Yeah. Oh yeah. And don't forget the space dude drops coming soon from TGA. Don't want to forget that one. That one is going to be a big one. See how that goes. Got a lot of seats to blow and a lot of seats to shove. Shucking and blowing. That game. All right. Local you got anything? Shout out to my cats. Shout out to your cats. They were here the entire lives. Yeah. Oh, hey dude. Shout out to the dude. Right. Doesn't you got anything? He's been coming up to the window like every 10 minutes. No, I don't. I'm like my brain is gone. Yeah, it's me. This is a fun show. Yep. I guess with that, we'll end it. Thank you everyone. I'm going to try to edit this into a real episode because I think it sticks into a Y portion. Makes it harder to find. So I'll try to. It does. Yeah. Yeah. I've done by this weekend. All right. And with that, we must hear. 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