 Thank you very much for coming out today on such a beautiful weather day This is a One in a series of ongoing public outreach meetings regarding city place Burlington It this the format is very similar to last month. You'll see a very similar slide show There'll be some updates to the plans a little more specificity on Space and just a little more detail on the plans, but the The content is very similar in the the arrangement will be very similar Our architect Jesse back. We'll be doing a presentation supported by Kevin warden our civil engineer We'll have time for questions and answers at the end So again, thank you very much for coming a couple of housekeeping details We have a sign-in sheet. We'd like everyone to use the sign-in sheet put down your name address email Also, this presentation will be posted on the CEDA web site after today's presentation and We do have an hour and a half scheduled So after our presentation, we have a microphone in the center open for Any questions that you might have and we'll address those questions as we go So again, my name is Jesse Beck architect with Freeman French Freeman We've been working on the project for a few years now, and we're here about a month ago rolling out the revised plans for amended permits So just a reorient people to the site We have Pine Street with the new street grid going through the parcels With the area here, which was demolished for City Place Burlington and the new Pine Street will be adjacent to 67 Cherry, which is the old Macy's building in that old Macy's building is being repurposed For both office and retail in a two-level structure But today's focus really is about City Place Burlington and the redesign from the prior plans So I'm going to invite Kevin Warden up from engineering ventures to talk a little bit about the new streets civil and stormwater Thanks, Jesse much like The last time around that you can see here on the left. There's a new Pine Street connecting that leads from Bank to Cherry and Passes under 100 Bank Street There's also a new St. Paul Street At the later points of the earlier design the south half of St. Paul was angled to better align with the existing St. Paul and Bank Street intersection Mostly from a streetscape very much the same as before The Great Street standards have been updated in the City of Burlington So these plans now incorporate those standards the main Significant change to point out is the access to the parking within the structure was previously on Bank Street and on Cherry Street Those access points have now been moved to Pine Street. You can see the red arrows into the building and St. Paul I don't know. Do we have a pointer? It's worth pointing out. So the parking entrance is right here off of Pine Street and the parking entrance is right here off of St. Paul and Just briefly the stormwater approach really hasn't changed either from the previous design. The site is essentially 100 percent covered with impervious with the exception of permeable pavers along the streetscapes and That will be treated in underground chambers to be retained and slowed down before being discharged to the city stormwater system and Treated with underground sand filters Really a pretty remarkable amount of treatment both required by the city and the state To emulate flow from this site as though it were a meadow in good condition So much improved and also just point out that the The pre-existing mall about a third of that went to the combined stormwater sewer system So it did contribute potentially to overflows. Whereas the entire site will now go to the stormwater system That's it to Recap the program And some of the program changes We've actually Increased the number of housing units in this new plan and have 357 units of housing compared to the the prior number of 289 72 of which will be affordable and spread throughout the building instead of the south building Being a commercial office building is now a hundred ninety six room hotel We have reduced the second floor retail. In fact, we don't have second floor retail We have a ground level retail of 45,000 square feet Around the perimeter of the building and oriented to the new streets cherry and bank Like we pointed out we're reconnecting the streets in this parking structure We have 550 parking spaces and a total of long-term and short-term bike parking of 297 The total gross square feet has been reduced approximately 25 percent from a little over a million square feet down to 763,000 square feet and the next few sides will illustrate that bikes yeah, so the revised program takes the building and the mass from the 14 story on the north side of the building and Brings it down To a 10-story building off the average grade This illustration is a cross-section from north to south which better illustrates the number of floors number of stories And the mass as compared to the prior project So in gray and this red dotted outline will show you the the bulk and the height of the prior project That's the north side. This is on the south side, which was the office office building With a mechanical space on top mechanical space on top And this is roughly 52 feet of height reduction to average grade a hundred and twenty two feet to the top Roof of the occupied floor You can see the embedded parking structure on four levels Connecting north to south and this is the the current plan in section on both north and south buildings the the highest level is for residential amenity space and this is for a public observation deck of Restaurant accessible by the public And on top of that we do have a mechanical level We have a full level of basement parking which will show you in plan We've we actually will be going through the plans of each level of this building and here you can see cherry Street and Bank Street The color is the retail space Fronting the street streets So we're gonna walk through the major levels of this this structure Starting with the basement We have 208 parking stalls below grade Which are accessed via the residential lobby the hotel lobby a public access Lobby off the new st. Paul and then a service freight elevator in stair This square here is the Footings and foundations of 100 Bank As we go up you saw the street grid plan and the relative shapes of the buildings above But this is actually a cross-section at at grade To really show you the the programming of the retail space and The entrance ways so as Kevin pointed out we have a garage entrance off the new pine Which is next to a residential service dock And the entrance off st. Paul Which is relatively flat before we had very long lengthy and steep on and off ramps into the garage So we've eliminated those Hotel lobby is off st. Paul Surrounded by retail so all of the street frontage is retail and then we maintain the loading dock to the south side Primarily for retail and hotel use the long-term bike storage is is with showers is located here And accessed off the street in the in the garage This is a fire command center And service center Moving up through the parking structure. This is the third level of parking And the fourth level of parking is where you start to see the upper levels of the north and south building on the north side the first Three levels of housing is a little bit wider with the bay windows has roof terrace Parking deck, which is actually covered. You'll see on the next slide and on the south building. We have an entire level of Amenity spaces off a roof terrace and that's where you'll see the 3,000 square foot community space and that Will be programmed as the city needs in concert with how the hotel would use the surrounding amenity space moving on up the you start to see the covered parking area in this shaded zone and Our green roof or our stormwater collection zones Which are both over the parking Along the front of the step back. This is a required step back for the hotel And over here you can see the actual section that we went through before and there'll be a marker showing What level that we're looking at with the plans the next series of floors levels 4 through 8 Are both hotel to the south and Residential to the north You can see the step back of the building mass with roof terraces that are accessible by the units Around the street facade The core the center core Lobby area with elevators and then the service elevator to get to the loading dock and recycling Compost and trash Hotel on the south and we're gonna jump right up to the higher highest occupied level which is on the north building comprised of amenities for the residences fitness lounge group work Play areas dogwash that access a roof terrace and Are adjacent to a another green roof collection zone for stormwater and we have mechanical space On the same level on both sides So you can see that the the 10-story building is actually to the last occupied level And the mechanical is adjacent to that And that's a little different from the south building where we have an additional unoccupied level for mechanical space Above the restaurant kitchen Public observation deck and there's some meeting rooms up here. And so the public via this core Has access to the observation deck and the restaurant So we really want to take advantage of the heights and the roofs for solar So we have PV arrays For about 18,000 square feet capping the project and This is the mechanical level unoccupied With its own PV array on top of that so that ends the the planning plan sequence We'll move into the series of renderings that you have some of you have seen before there are quite a few new faces in the audience, so I'll walk you through this is the rendering that you saw at the opening of the presentation the New st. Paul LL bean exists on the corner the Cherry Street access and The you can get a glimpse of the hotel in the background Reversing your direction Looking east and south you start to see the new new pine the corner of the existing 67 cherry building repurposed for office and retail The you can start to get a glimpse of the park parking garage entrance the residential loading dock Retail wrapping the corner and moving down along Cherry Street to the east So this is the first three levels of residential followed by the top five levels step back on The mass and then the amenities stepping back on top the new pine Street looking down towards 100 Bank and People asked before well, how do you go under 100 Bank? We're not exactly going below grade under we're actually going under the opening of the upper levels of 100 Bank and you can see that right down here So this is a sloping Street, which will go underneath the higher portions of 100 Bank the north building is a brick in nature with with storefront glass And the main feature are the bay windows To break up vertically the facade New St. Paul to get you a glimpse of how you enter the parking structure Which is between the the hotel The south block and the north block again the retail wraps all the way down the New St. Paul This is the public entrance to the parking structure and the different levels of the parking structure Moving to the south building. We're changing the materials the massing It still has a required step back at this level So this is the community space approximately here the 3000 square feet, which is part of the second level of the Of the south building, which is the amenities to the hotel workout center conference Conference room there will be access to Warming kitchens to service the community space and the hotel functions The lower level is retail flanking the hotel lobby. So this corner could be a restaurant Could be retail more Sorry, excuse me More retail running down Bank Street to the south loading dock and the mass of 100 Bank on this facade We're looking at a dare limestone for the the base of the building and A centered stone matching the Adair for the the body of the building This is the top floor observation deck With the corner opening up for views of the lake Adirondacks partially covered and Then the mechanical level on top This again is a 10-story building from average grade to the last occupied roof of the floor With the penthouse on top Little closer in view of how this corner could look The Great Streets will be really developed further This is really an architectural rendering to show off our wonderful building not necessarily the landscape So we'll get there in the next round of renderings when we start to coordinate the city's civil engineer with with Kevin's firm This is a pretty good illustration though of how we we would use the the curb to the retail to the face of the building so just to recap and wind up The public benefits that we talked about a month ago still remain the same and Really it's all about downtown housing and including affordable units and since we've increased the number of units that increases the The percentage of affordable We are still reconnecting the two public streets to restore the street grid Sustainable design is at the forefront of everything that we're designing Including the lead gold certification The Green Roof areas and solar PV and that helps us with the stormwater treatment. It's a hundred percent treatment for the site Community access again is is a discussion and part of the project the community meeting space the observation deck and bike parking and then the change from the office to hotel helps Change the the meals and tax revenues We did not drill down deep into the schedule last time So these two slides will give you a better feeling for where we are where we're headed and what it's going to take to get there This first slide is a month-by-month close-in view from from now Through where we hope to break ground which is middle to end of August It's all contingent on the permit process and the flow of the permit process so this first block is the Burlington Planning and Zoning Step of which we are Planning on submitting the end of February beginning of March to trigger a DAB session March 24th and Development review board on April 23rd and that is another opportunity for public to come and And ask questions So that review and approval is approximately two to three months in length The next step which is new to this project So we're amending the permit here, but since we changed the use From commercial office on the south side. We've changed it to hotel that has triggered the Act 250 process so we have already begun our letter writing and narratives to get the Act 250 Submitted roughly the beginning of May but first we need to secure allocations and Renew some prior permits for water wastewater From the agency and natural resources at the state level So we have both the state process moving along and the city process moving along at this point We'll have enough information collected and Assigned so that we can package the full Act 250 submittal which will trigger a downtown review Which is an expedited Act 250 review So it's a little different than a project outside of a downtown in our expectations two and a half months We should have secured our Act 250 approvals couple other elements of this schedule currently there is a Development agreement with the city of Burlington that's has revisions due to the redesign and the nature of the redesign Those are being drafted and and going back and forth Our plan is to have those resolved and approved and in line with the city of Burlington Planning process by the time we get to the DRB and Then as everyone is aware there is a settlement agreement in process And our hope is to get that resolved in the same timeline as a development agreement So that there's alignment between the DRB and these pieces of the the process We're not done yet. Once we get to the permitting we have to move on into Department of Public Works for construction Permits we have to align the Great Street programs with the city engineer and our engineer engineering ventures and Get what was required to break ground and so we've allowed about a two-month process to do that So that everything will come together for Sometime in August we had any time to mobilize for construction and That will happen in August September Bigger picture schedule because everybody wants to know when are we going to get in this building? When are we going to get the new streets? This will show you where we move from 2020 Right, we're through the first couple of quarters here pretty quickly. So here's the construction mobilization the third quarter of 2020 Hopefully we're in the ground moving things around working foundation site and Then from this point forward major construction begins for the residential podium and the north side of the Building we're going to move from north side to south side and everything will be constructed in this path So this block represents about an 18 month path To get the north In Phase one these these are certificates of occupancy points So this is actually when parts of the building can be turned over and opened and used So while this is going on phase two is still being constructed But there'll be another couple of quarters another six months to finish off the the upper floors of the residential Get the mechanical system fully running finish off the garage Which gets you to 20 the fourth quarter of 2022 Then we finish off the hotel and retail on the south side it's still being constructed, but this is where we're going to get our certificate of occupancy for those those floors and Then to finish off the south side. We need another quarter three months Which is really the winner of 2021 to finish off TCO number four, which is a hotel and get the streets both of the new streets Fully up and operating so that the project construction completion We're anticipating if all goes well the second quarter of 2023 so that gives you kind of a little Little flow chart of how we're going to get from permitting to The second quarter of 2023 to completion so that pretty much wraps up our part of the presentation and With these four vignettes of what you've seen in the rendering So we'd really like to open it up to questions and hear your thoughts and please step up to the mic Hi, I'm Greg Epler wood. I'm sorry. You guys didn't introduce yourself. So I assume that you're both Brookfield and engineering Venture reps. Oh, we can do that right now. I'm Jesse back architect with Freeman French Freeman Thanks Kevin Warden with engineering ventures here in Burlington. I'm on in Olsen. I'm with Brookfield Okay, thanks My name is Anand Olsen a a an e n o l s e n and I'm with Brookfield Okay, thanks. I have I guess four questions. I'll just rattle them off. Okay Yeah, really fast. Yeah in the vertical and the Footprint diagrams. There was this gray area in the area Labeled over the parking area. I like to know what that is. I couldn't read the label there secondly the mechanical above the Apartments What are you doing to isolate noise and so on from the you know the ceilings of those units? I Assume I guess Brookfield will own the hotel and then it will be this Brookfield now engage Companies to to manage the hotel. I'd like to hear about that and then also when will the streets be opened to Pedestrians and traffic Thanks sure. Yeah, well, we'll go through the the architecture bit here Streets was that second quarter of 2023 on the schedule chart Also, all this will be posted on on the CETA website so you can study and Drill down a little bit more yourselves as you go through the plans and and the elevations in the schedule But yeah, the streets will be open to the public that second quarter of 2023 the Mechanical space We do have important sound transmission Classifications that we have to stick to for sound moving from floors vertically and through walls horizontally so we're very in tune with Making sure the proper insulation and isolation of that mechanical equipment occurs These mechanical spaces are above Apartment buildings all the time, but you do have to take care to isolate that The mechanical equipment will have walls fully around all four sides With louver systems and baffles so that Sound will not be an issue. We do have a sound report which will be part of our planning and zoning submittal done by engineers who are specialists in in sound and Buildings of this type to show that there is no impact of that equipment Gray area Is that underneath Beyond Yeah, this is the wing because the the the The apartment building is really a u-shape and unequal you So this this is the wing of the apartments in the background Hotel ownership So the hotel will be managed by a third party. There are a number of groups Interested in in that operation and frankly, they're very good at it these these third party operators This is their business and they know it well and they're the best suited to do this Including an outfit based right here in Burlington Hi, Franklin Paulino City Councilor My question was and maybe I didn't catch it but about the Macy's building. Can you give us an update? What the timeline was so for me when I was looking at this project earlier on two of the biggest considerations were the reopening of the streets to ease traffic congestion and parking and I think 2023 is far too late and if there's anything that can be done as we're moving forward I think that's huge To be able to reopen it would just change the way we move around downtown in such a significant way But the Macy's building was also one of the selling points that I felt was gonna be the first project That was gonna start moving forward since there was a tenant that had requirements. So can you talk a little bit more about that? Yes, the the Macy's while we're not here specifically to talk about it today The Macy's redevelopment is operating on a separate track that will likely be much faster than this This it doesn't require as many state and local approvals as this project does so We will be back to talk about that specifically and and its schedule Yeah, just to add on to 67 cherry It's it's really a repurposing of an existing building using both of the existing levels and that Is an internal staff review at the at the city level so that shortens the length of time that we can get Into the construction period. So yes, we are anticipating a Faster timeline for that that project Hi, um, hi Good enough though one of my concerns looking at the The storefronts in this streetscape is I wondering how wide the sidewalks are and if there is room to For for outside cafes for I see you have a coffee a proposed Coffee shop is there going to be room for outdoor seating? I think one of the real issues on Cherry Street and Bank Street and one of the frustrations and Challenges for businesses on those streets has been activating the streetscape and getting people down there and that was the whole idea of the proposed DID Last year or that was one of the ideas and I don't see a lot of Like space for that, but I'm wondering if it's there and it's just not being shown Yeah, and and and also how if you did have the numbers of how wide the sidewalks are Thanks for that question The the sidewalks on share and st. St. Paul and Pine Street again new streets Recovered from when they're lost during the urban renewal will be from the curb to the building 16 feet or more That includes the sidewalk it includes a tree and furnishings Strip the tree and furnishing strip is about six to eight feet wide and The other area, you know Bank and Cherry Street are within the city right of ways and those Redevelopments much like St. Paul down the street will be done by the city separate from this project But coordinated with the project so I can speak briefly to it from my experience Bank Street For example, the city is looking at having a streetscape with no curb. It'll be a flush curb And again plenty of room for activity between that flush curb and the building face And I think one of the real opportunities is at the southeast corner of the building where St. Paul and Bank Street meet I mentioned St. Paul is angled to align with the existing St. Paul and that provides To two two areas of interest on the west side. It's a big triangular area with upwards of 25 feet Or more from the curb to the building so that could be an area where Some of the things you're talking about could occur and across the street from that there'll be kind of a small little Parklet next to the nbt Bank there. That's existing. So there's definitely a lot of opportunity Benches bike racks trees permeable pavers and and and cafe seating If the tenancy Design, you know necessitates that I'm sorry just to on Bank Street the south What is the width of that? sidewalk or that between between the curb and the building once again I do want to defer to the city Who's designing that section and it's subject to change so just to describe the process So it could be wider if we cut into Bank Street, you're saying City decides to get it's much wider than what was there before if you remember walking down Bank Street, right? Which which didn't work for businesses, right? Well, there were no on the north side of Bank Street There were no businesses. We had a kind of blank blank wall of an old mall. Well, there were businesses So there was William Sonoma J crew like all of those businesses just but they didn't but they didn't face because there wasn't really space for them to Really activate the streets exactly. Yeah, they had window dressings and they were designed to be accessed from within them All so the news the new building will be designed to face the street. There'll be at least 15 feet from that flush curb I mentioned and And so yeah, there'll be much more pedestrian activity there. Okay. Well, thanks Hi guys. Thanks for coming. I have three questions We we know that Brookfield's here But do we have representatives from Don Sinek's office as well and what role is Sinek still involved in this project either? active ownership Can someone answer that for me? Yes, there is a representative from Devin Wood here and Devin Wood remains a partner in the project at 49 percent. I Can't comment on structure. Why not structure? You should be able to comment on structure I mean, that's what we're here for. We want to be opening for transparent about it and we should be I think that's unfortunate And I think going forward. I think that's a big hurdle for you guys this conference in this project So I wouldn't urge you to be Open and transparent about who's involved in the project Secondly not a big thing, but I noticed it was there 579 parking spaces the last time or was it 550? And the reason I asked that because I still don't get the math for the parking because It doesn't seem like there's even close to being enough if you add everything up with retail hotel apartments. I mean So I can address that for you the the prior project which was over a million square feet had about 761 stalls this project has 550 spaces and In real general terms that equates to 25 percent reduction in square footage about a 25 percent reduction in parking The same time you look at both planning and zoning formulas for what is required for these occupancies to come up with account and We look at the market What does the market drivers to have the number of spaces that you need to sell your building or lease your building or whatever? So we are by planning and zoning purposes. We're over a hundred eighty stalls higher with what we're building So through planning and zoning formulas for housing for hotel, there's zero requirement for retail Office we have plenty of parking to meet the planning and zoning formulas In addition to putting over 200 in the basement out of the way And my last question is concerning the Private public access to this project at the end of the day. This project is in the heart of the whole north end of Burlington It's our community. It's our downtown and I get concerned when I hear Private, you know public access and who will control that and will we feel like we can go in and out and to the To the towers to the restaurants I mean who's going to be overseeing that because I think that's huge here in Burlington That we make sure that the public here and the locals and particularly the old north end Has access to their downtown and I'm concerned about that. So I'd be curious about who's going to control that The community space is currently embedded in the hotel component so it will be up to the hotel operator to to control that and The truth is there they're the best at it as well. They do this all the time if you've been to Contemporary hotel and in almost any city the These amenities and the restaurants have moved to the roof and they've moved to They've moved to other floors within the building. There are ways to secure the occupied floors and the The floors with rooms away from the public. They're a dedicated elevator. So they're really the best Person to occupy this and it a hotel by its nature is a semi public building anyway much less than a contemporary office building which is Very restrictive on who can get in and out and and even a residential building is very restrictive in in the times who live in Hotel actually offers the kind of the best permeability to to the public This is really high Hi Karen Paul City Councilor I have a Couple of questions the first is I I'm perhaps maybe I misunderstood But I did think that at the last meeting that you had about a month ago that you had said that you would be coming forward with Schematics on the former Macy's building at the next meeting and so maybe I misunderstood but I understand from the answer to Councillor Polino's question that that wasn't your plan to do that today when is Do you do you have a? Timeline on when you're going to be bringing that forward to the community We don't we're still working on details of our anchor tenant we've reengaged formally with with that entity and As soon as there is some news or some confidence will we'll bring it forward Okay, the other thing is there's that to that We did talk about appearing at the NPAs and we were trying to get scheduled for I think it was April and the agenda is full. So then we're going to try for mark May so our plan is to appear at the NPAs for 67 cherry at the appropriate time Okay, I can't speak for the Ward 2 3 NPA But there are people that are here that could and I can't wouldn't be surprised if they might make the accommodation to Communication with them and we've tried okay The other thing also the Church Street facade There's obviously a fair amount of excitement about what that's going to look like when do you think you'd be coming forward with that? Yeah, I mean there's no real timeline for that. We're trying to get through the kind of over the biggest hurdles That's the fun part of the project Okay And then two other things the first is I did hear from a number of constituents who were Disappointed that the meeting today. There's only one of them and that the meeting is only at noon, which is represents a significant hurdle for many people who cannot be here in the middle of a work day and At the last meeting that you had you did have a meeting at noon, and then you had one in the evening I don't know what the reason was that you didn't have one this evening But would encourage you if you want to speak to it I would be interested in hearing what you're what your plan is but that There are a number of people who reached out to me and felt that You weren't really fully engaging the community if you're having a meeting in the middle of a work day When many people can't be here. I Cannot speak to the reason why it may have been a scheduling issue. It may have been There may be a conflict with the room. I cannot I don't know. Well, the meeting is yours. So It's really we had the biggest turnout at lunchtime last time So we figured that this would be a good time to hold the meeting and there's gonna be subsequent meetings through the whole Process of planning and zoning so we also brought handouts, so I didn't mention that earlier over on the table. There's handouts showing you Pieces the important pieces of this presentation with the data and information And we are going to be posting this show on the CEDA website for everyone's access At any time they want and I think we have public access TV and the stations here, so We have one meeting today and that's always scheduled Okay, well, I having been at both of the meetings at the last time There were people in the evening and the people that were here in the evening primarily were not people that were here at noon So just mentioning that that there were a number of people who reached out to me who were Disappointed that they could not be at the meeting in person And then the last question I have is just simply you had mentioned briefly about the lawsuit that you have With various appellants, and I'm wondering you had said that you were In the process of coming to resolution with that and wondered if there was anything else you could add to that I Cannot comment on active litigation But what you said in January versus what you're saying now is different Is there a reason to believe that there is progress being made? I cannot comment on All right. Thanks very much Hi, I'm Maxine Holmes. I've lived for 50 years in the Old North End, and I'm very happy that you're here and willing to put something in the middle of Burlington that might be of used to all of us and I'm wondering what This project has for me personally as a resident living within four blocks of this building and I'm very concerned about the fact that we have half of our years Pretty awful weather, you know winter rainy Very cold in the late fall early spring It was nice to have a mall to go walk inside and get our exercise See the shops meet people Socialize and it was a very welcome place to be I'm wondering what part of this Complex is going to be a welcoming place to be for me and my friends and my Neighbors the people that live in the Old North End and the surrounding area and Burlington in general and Where can I go to get away from the weather like I have to go It looks like I have to go from shop to shop if I'm shopping I have to go outside inside outside You can't just take your coat off leave it somewhere like in your car and walk around like you can at the mall in South Burlington It doesn't look like it's a welcoming place weather-wise Is there an awning or some kind of a projection over the walkways around the building so that the ice and snow don't fall on our heads or Keep the sheltered from the weather Just a question That would be nice to have the other thing is Access to the roof I Know that the view from that roof is the most beautiful view in this part of the world It absolutely is it could be a big moneymaker and draw for the whole New England area You can see the mountains to the to the east You can see almost a St. Albans to the north you see right across to the Adirondacks and to this Best and to the south you see Mount Philo and way down almost to Lake George. I know that I Get excited about seeing these things on a regular basis and I'd be very excited if I could hope dear. I'm getting I'm getting excited If I had a place where I could come Within walking distance and go right up to the roof and really enjoy being here scenery-wise and then have shops to go to Fine also have maybe a little restaurant. Maybe place where I can have coffee at a croissant whatever How big is that place on the roof? I didn't see is there a bird's-eye view of the rooftop No birds. I can you tell me what's up on the roof? Sure. Sure. We have a plan Maybe it'll help So that this restaurant if you're comfortable walking into a lobby or an open hotel lobby Oh, they're they're fine. Yeah, then you have access to elevators Which will bring you right up the 10 levels and bring you out right here Okay, and you can choose to have a restaurant experience or you can choose to go directly out Now the restaurants do they have windows going in that look out in all the directions or all windowed restaurant? Okay? You have a roof overhang so that to implement whether there's protection for outdoor seating In this restaurant is quite large. It'll seat 150 people. Okay. Okay. Now with another, you know 70-80 people outside Seating so that's quite large that green area. Yes Okay, and maybe it'll be green with maybe potted plants Bushes trees grass once we get through permitting we can get rid of those details and I'm envisioning a place like the Los Samaritan The department store in Paris where you could go you have a dedicated elevator that takes you right to the top free and You can wander around their pathways. There's trees. There's you see the city in every direction. It's wonderful How about that other building? Does it have a rooftop with a greenery? It does have a rooftop of greenery, but again, that's a residential building Which is worried about security safety for the tenants so that will be accessible as if you're a guest of a tenant and for the tenants to use this secure lobby down below and use these elevators to To bring you up to through the amenity space to this roof terrace You can see the size of this roof terrace. It's much larger As large this stretches out around the whole building right Spend money on coffee Come out here and enjoy the view without Is there a way that the public could have access to the roof of the other building? maybe by belonging to a club membership thing some kind of a deposit of sorts on a monthly yearly basis a Place where you can go and feel secure and have this wonderful view for anyone that's willing to Participate It just I think that that is a huge area. I would like to have access to it also That faces north right correct. Yeah, okay and west and North and Yeah, west So you have a view over the lake and a view to the north you do you have a view to the south? Uh-huh Okay, and how about the east? Towards Mansfield, etc So there's no part of the roof that views to the east Okay, okay, okay Okay, well, I have two concerns one is I think that it would be wonderful Absolutely wonderful to have access to this other roof if you can make it happen, please Also, I think it would be wonderful to have a little bit of access to the view to the north to the east I'm concerned about green space in Burlington We cut a lot of trees down in the last year or two for for Projects such as this apartment buildings condos. There's a lot of trees that went down mature trees We need green space. We need to be able to breathe in this city and I think that it would be nice to have as much green space as possible with Plants grass, whatever. I'm sure the parks department would be happy to help keep it up So whatever you can do To help me and my friends my neighbors people who live here and friends that are coming to visit tourists Really enjoy the top of the what are you gonna call it? What is the name of this building? Pardon it has no name. Yeah, so the top of the no name whatever the top of the I Think that would be great It'd be a good draw for everyone Thank you You know the the the comments that you just heard from the previous speaker are what you would have found at NPA's if you had followed what we ask it just to come to NPA's early and often and Have that kind of informal conversation with people who live in the community about what we'd like to see Come out of this these buildings The NPAs are called the town meetings of Burlington because Burlington did away with town meetings And so it's the opportunity for residents to come together And there's a requirement that you come to the NPA's With a major impact project like this that impacts the whole city It would require going to each of the NPA's as others have done their neighborhood planning associations and You would have had the kind of conversation that we all just heard now I want to mention that a lot of Events in Burlington begin today With acknowledging that we are on unceded land of the Western Abonackie The reason I mentioned that is because it tells you a lot about the ethos of Vermont and How people who live here especially people that have lived here for a long time like Maxine? I've only lived here 45 years People who have been born and raised here. There's a feeling for the land that is that We have ownership in it that we have a stake in it Now you own this this property for this building, but we own all of the infrastructure That makes that building possible We're the consumers. We're gonna be the shoppers. We're gonna eat in those restaurants. We're gonna build it and I really think that failing to come early and often to the NPAs to talk to people about their feeling for this space You've really missed an opportunity Because if you had done that and it's not too late To get ideas from people you might have been able to make this presentation and say When we met with the people in two three NPA they told us that they don't have any community space And we're providing it for you you would be able to bring ownership of residents in the community into your Presentation which would make us feel more like partners with you in this project Then we feel coming and having you tell us what you're gonna do for our community and as you heard from the last speaker It's not so much for our community as it is for the profits of the people who build the building So I'd like you to take an example of a developer in our community like Eric Ferrell who when he builds a project He goes to his NPAs early and often and he identifies people that have any Opposition to his project and he meets with them more often and he finds ways to build bridges. He's done it very effectively You've got to get better at it because we all want something to succeed here You've really got to get better at engaging with the community. I'm back. I wasn't planning and coming back, but Myself and Charlie Giannoni are members of the award two three NPA and we've been on the emails with you and I just wanted to Confirm what Karen said in that we do have space in our agenda for both March and April So we can't accommodate you either or both of those months Okay, that's good new news to hear. Thanks Good afternoon. I just want to ask about a couple quick things or three One is if I'm not mistaken when the project started to show signs of life again There was a commitment to restore the parking on the streets and the and the walks The sidewalks that had been taken away and it seems like a few of those parking spaces have come back But but only only a few seven or eight or something like that. What's going on on that count? If you go through the questions, okay, so that's the first one next one is Financing seems to have been a problem Perhaps the central problem that created the hiatus in the project after the demolition had been completed And I'm wondering if financing has been secured if the project is pre-approved for Financing somewhere and then finally the TIF issue. I know that the legislature has to Authorize or extend a deadline or something of that kind to allow Access to TIF funds that was anticipated Earlier in the project and I'm not I wanted to see if you're still anticipating using TIF funds and how that's going to work And and and what the sum might look like with the modified scale of the project parking on the streets That was a coordinated last fall with the DPW the project still Obtains easements to Use the north side of Bang Street and the south side of Cherry Street, but since there was no activity We worked closely with DPW to move the jersey barriers In return access we're feasible and what that resulted in was moving the the barriers on The south side of Cherry all the way back to the curb DPW chose to install a pedestrian way there rather than parking which you'll see is out there now and The north side of Bank Street In the West half towards 100 Bank about four or five parking spaces were returned the east side of The north Bank Street area the excavations within the project to install sewer to maintain the existing mall There's a slope that leads right up to the backside of those barriers So they were not able to be moved during that process Okay, so that's so that's as many spaces as you've been able to restore there were 30 plus I think that had been taken away right Boy, I don't have the number. I think it was more like 11 to 12 There were several taken away on Cherry because the bus staging was moved under a separate You know agreement with the transit center So that is as many as we're able to return until the project has been constructed. Okay Yeah, I mean, I guess I can just yeah I can talk about financing a minute. There's not really new news to report from a month ago We're exploring every option of financing it's a little premature to have a commitment in place for without a GMP without Approvals so we are working through that everything's being explored. It's an opportunity zone there. There are numbers of Avenues for financing. Okay, and then and the tiff the tiff Yes, the tiff is kind of an integral part of the negotiation of the development agreement that Jesse alluded to earlier today So that is an ongoing issue the The plan is to use the tiff funds that are available from this The scale of the new project if it's if it's not all of what was available under the original scope We would use what was available and we think the The calculation works out right now where it will cover the costs of The new streets and any any of the new infrastructure and is there an impending deadline that Montpelier you would need to address with tiff to allow Tiff funds to be used it is yeah It's all kind of pending the negotiation that development agreement. They they essentially gave us an extension of the original deadline And to come back to them, so it's not all is lost. Okay. Thank you Thanks for doing this I did grow up in the area. I remember Fairly well the neighborhood that the original mall replaced Little frame buildings and so on I remember the state theater Not far from this site I Don't frankly have much context for malls or multi-use buildings of this size with one exception and Before I ask my question, let me just see if you're familiar with this as well Have any of the three of you visited the complex to Jardin the garden complex in Montreal Yeah, I'm glad I'm that's reassuring to me I think if you stop anybody on the street in Montreal who lives there and you ask if they're familiar with the complex to Jardin the answer you get is likely to Draw a picture of the public atrium That's valuable to me when I'm in Montreal simply because it's a gathering place It's a place where all sorts of different things can happen Everything from musical performance to a fountain to really amazing kids Programming during the holidays It's a large public space If I'm correct the present plans call for a single 3,000 square foot function room Which is the closest I can come to that That seems to me to be perfectly adequate for a Rotary Club meeting or a meeting like this But maybe not to provide this sort of public heart of the building That would function in the way that Church Street itself functions a place to gather meet people get out of the weather Socialize people watch at no cost Here's my question How much thinking? Did the group planning this project Due to try and come up with a possibility for that a place where a piano might go Yeah, I think You know it all started with plan BTV this project has three four years of history of Having public surets in the old mall going to each NPA I think twice We made it to each NPA in collecting all those thoughts and ideas and sifting them down to what? the previous program was and the current program so the the opportunities were synthesized through that development agreement with the city councilors City of Burlington and all that input to To prime activities or program spaces one is a open public observation area unrestricted Where you could have outdoor performances small You could have a piano It is partially undercover, so it's sort of you know not all-season, but multi-season The hotel lobby could act as some of that welcoming Community space to come in to the elevator bank and go up The community space was very specific in the development agreement and the iterations that It is going to be designed further once we get beyond the the permitting and in the construction piece is that there would be a Committee form to study how to use it. What's its best use? What should the configuration be other than a placeholder of 3,000 square feet and it says specifically that it should be coordinated in its use so that Not only the public has access, but the other occupants of this structure can use it as well And it'd be a scheduled type space So it still isn't totally defined us how that space is formed and what how it should be used But that single three thousand square foot space is What we're working with Yes for for a controlled enclosed space I would just add to that To dial back six years when plan TV plan BTV someone showed some housing over the mall Which seemed you know far-flung and far-skill at that time And now we're here and at that time when we'd had hundreds of and I participated as a citizen and is on the plan BTV team Had hundreds of people providing input. There were a lot of other ideas like opening up St. Paul Street and Pine Street And here we are So those are also portions of that private property that were once public but taken over that are being returned Including some of the gathering areas we talked about earlier today. So there are I think that's Those two streets are not quite an acre but almost an acre returning to public access and and in livening those portions of the city that that were were not at a prior time Thanks, I do appreciate the work you've all put in I'd simply request you continue to think about large enclosed indoor public space The sort of place you'd picture a fountain or a piano or a stage for children's performances Children's programming and so forth and that if you haven't visited the complex to Jardin The garden complex in Montreal to see what I'm talking about and how important that can be to a downtown Love to heck up I'll drive Thanks, thanks for being here Thanks for the sketch of the timelines which I requested last time and Still looking forward to finding out what's going to happen as far as the office space is concerned and Does the promise of 750 new jobs now? You've had another month to think about it. Does that still apply? I'm a bit Chagrin that the city is not here because the city was the salesperson on behalf of Sinex and That is the city that made the promises to the electorate and I'm a little bit chagrin that there's no one from the city to Answer for themselves So I don't want to ask too many rhetorical questions, but there was the the comment about From mr. Brookfield here that you were going to be Speaking to your anchor tenant as far as office space is concerned. Is that the same anchor tenant that? Just lost 10 million dollars again and budget deficit in the last quarter and 40 million in the previous quarter previous year rather and is Projected to pay over the odds for office space downtown. Is that the same one? I don't know who you're specifically talking about but I have a good guess and I'd assume yes That's that it's the same. Okay. All right. Good. Now the other thing I've I'm Well, I was active for about 20 years as Kevin knows on the ward one NPA I'm no longer on the steering committee, but I can assure you that the steering committee That's currently in place would wipe the slate clean for you to come back. We wouldn't make Two hours available on the schedule for you. So March the 12th 7 o'clock at the hospital You'd be very very welcome So the other question that I have Jesse it was it was good to see the public benefits But I'd like to see two gap analyses one being The public deficits are not sure what the answer name is for benefits in this particular case But what is the public lost? compared with the old now and What is the public lost compared with the bill of goods that we were sold? 40 months ago 45 months ago I think you owe it to the people of Burlington who Voted for this essentially in the first place otherwise it makes it look as if it's just a Brookfield development and you've looted the public Aspects that were sold as being such an essential part of the of the project and the bet public benefit. So I'd really like you to wrap your arms around that and next time come up with those slides. That would be great. Thank you Yeah, I just got a couple quick questions. I know you hid outline having 550 parking spaces and 297 bike spaces There's gonna be dedicated for hotel guests and tenants or is any of that public parking? So we have an obligation through planning and zoning to provide Parking for the residents for the hotel and for the other uses in the building that require parking So the answer is a complex one. It's going to be a controlled parking management plan and Those spaces that are above and beyond and available the public will have access to and how many spaces is that? That's yet to be determined how many exact spaces that's going to be okay Second question. I know you'd laid out the 357 housing units including 72 affordable units Just out of curiosity You know when you say affordable housing, what exactly do you mean and by extension? What exactly are the other units going to be? Well, there's a formula that's required to to set those rates But the the affordable will be sprinkled throughout and they will not look or feel any different from the other unit same size Same configuration same finishes. So you would not know whether you're in an affordable unit or not an affordable unit And in order to get but you mean when you say you wouldn't know from the perspective of living in it But it would be qualifying for affordable housing to live there And do you have a sense of what the market value of the other units would be? Not today. I mean, we're we're talking about occupancy close to three years from now. So a lot can change in three years So it's it's hard to quote a rent today But would the idea be to have them be market value housing or would they be? Yeah, the balance would be market rate and there's a like Jesse said There's a very strict formula on the calculation of the rent of the affordable units in Burlington, Burlington It's got all its its own formula. Yes, that will prescribe it But the other units could be subject to You know market value as a intangible factor calculated by the ownership Yeah, exactly, you know, it's it's market demand. Okay, cool Yeah, I just curious because I know housing is something that a lot of people are concerned about with Burlington and being affordable So just interesting to hear what you have to say about that. Thank you. So I'm looking at the Parking area Do you know what the square footage of that white area? That's between the u-shaped building and the hotel kind of guess at it but You're talking about the the space between the that's on top the roof of the garage 50,000 square feet how many 50,000 roughly 50 So wouldn't that be a space that could it could be used by the public in the ways that Some of the previous speakers have been talking about Well, we're actually using it for rainwater stormwater collection zone. So there is a good roof. Yeah, yeah So that's that's about half of that space is to collect stormwater and Bring it down to the filtration system So That you would not want the public on that space Okay, so that that would leave 25,000 square feet, which is 10 times the community room Still a lot of space and couldn't that be used for all the things that were previously mentioned and Wouldn't you want to develop to make that a public area for the why wouldn't you want to do that? Well, there's a lot of logistics and challenges in doing that It certainly could be done depending on cost and expense and access and safety security all the technical issues. Yeah Because the parking garage is accessible to the public anyway, and the roof isn't being used. Why not? seems no brainer and particularly with with the loss that people had with the mall and the Pointing to the complex Jardin and Montreal and all that seems like you could do it if you want to and I hope you will thank you Hi, my name is Paul Bushner. I'm a Burlington resident and I've owned and operated amazing Kettle corn stand on the church Street marketplace since 2003 So I had a marketplace commissioner approach me on Saturday when I was out at my cart and said that you have reopened the bathrooms in the Galleria space accessible from church Street and Or are planning to do so they're open now. That's correct so I wanted to thank you very much for that because there has been a huge demand for public restrooms and and So that that's a wonderful thing that you're doing for the community there and encourage you just to keep that open and Relative to that space obviously, it's not part of the current proposal. We've had a lot of questions about the Macy's building but and the original original plans had Significant changes to the church Street portion of the original mall and so I was would be interested to hear your thoughts about Potential future development in that space outside of just keeping the existing storefronts in connection to Macy's and Whatever is left of the food court in those bathrooms open. So that's one question And then a second question. We've had a lot of comment about Parking and the parking space and you can correct me if I'm wrong about this But the original proposal had parking on the third and the fourth levels I believe and it extended right out to the edge of the building and It did look as though there was Potential none of us have a crystal ball about what transportation options will be in 25 years but It's actually I'll preface my question with just a statement It's actually my hope that you're overbuilding parking for the future needs and that some of the space that's Currently dedicated to parking might be deemed unnecessary in the future and could be repurposed So back to the prior Development project it looked to me like there was opportunity to at least in the curtain area of that old parking design to reclaim that and use it as Interior space not dedicated to parking Is there any provisions in the future if we don't need all of this parking to be able to repurpose it? By design or would that just be something that would have to happen You know with a future permit, I think we're we're all trying to Guess what's going to happen with the amount of cars. We actually need And to build for and parking is extremely expensive to build in this kind of a project so we're going through a balancing act right now of meeting what The city has adopted for planning and zoning ordinances in formulas and They're reanalyzing that as we speak so that's going through a whole new understanding and a prediction of what's going to happen in the future so We feel that we've met what we think the market needs and balanced that with what planning and zoning requires and What others outside of this think through? Settlement agreements and law through it seemed that it should be more parking so we're kind of threading the needle at This project being what we feel is appropriate. Can it be repurposed? Sure, you know These are structures that are built to last a long long long time so Parking decks can be repurposed They're structurally sound enough to place public space on in the future. So Sure, that's part of the built-in plan is the changing nature of something like parking And I was just gonna add thanks for your comments the first part of your comment We haven't talked much about but the existing mall that's there now Will open out onto the new st. Paul and it'll open out at a crosswalk That's right next to the door that Jesse pointed out which leads to that parking area. So Why I'm not able to share or not aware of any other changes to that at that space That's what this will result in is a walk through from Church Street through that existing wall and then entering out onto The new st. Paul at a crosswalk at mid block Yeah, thanks for that comment because I don't think a lot of people have been thinking about that and that's another Way of improving flow. That's pedestrian flow issue. Not a traffic flow issue, but Thank you, and anything about other things about developing that space like I said earlier. It's It represents a great opportunity. It's just we're trying to get through the the higher hurdles over the higher hurdles at this point and It's we like I said, we have an opportunity what you get what you've created on Church Street is irreplaceable and We look forward to being a you know a good neighbor Great. Thank you Hi, I'm Jeff Uchi and downtown merchant long time and currently with Simon Pierce I know you've heard a lot about parking and and I sort of understand the formula Really comes from the city and not necessarily even from The developer One of my questions though is is how is this parking actually owned and controlled will the housing units actually own a parking unit Or just have access to it and will the hotel also have ownership of parking? Just curious as to how that works because it seems like you've added more housing units and Reduced parking if I understood you correctly that the project is more housing at this point But you were able to produce the amount of parking spaces That was due to eliminating the office space, too So right there's a one-to-one ratio for spaces to housing and that we currently accommodate in the garage So we haven't reduced the parking to ratio to residential to rice And so about the ownership of it and then also about the sizing of the housing units like what is the anticipated? Will there be a variety of square footage sizes an average? You know whether it'll be a lot of one bedroom type of housing larger housing for families that type of So the parking will be managed. There'll be gates and at controlled access and Yes, the hotel Residentials will have sort of there There they'll be leasing spaces. They won't be buying and owning spaces. They're not condominium Mising the parking so they'll have access and use as to their their needs The housing units we have both studios singles and doubles The average sizes are about 500 to 550 for studios 820 for singles one bedrooms and 1140 for two bedroom units Thank you. I've already asked my questions, but I had somebody who texted me once so I told them that I would ask this Thank you again for being here and for answering everyone's questions The I don't know if you have in the past addressed when the construction begins and there are Businesses that are in the mall that will be displaced How What what happens with that? What arrangements you have made? With the people that you have as tenants Currently in the mall. I mean even even if it's not literally impacting them right outside their door There is a trim. There is a significant impact. So if you could just speak to that. Thanks Well, I don't think I mean what if you're if you're talking about the the middle block construction It's not necessarily going to affect their day-to-day life. There's no access to that space today. The mall kind of just ends When we do get to the The interior of the mall and renovate that there there are lots of ways to to accommodate tenants We do mall renovations all the time can move them temporarily you can You know there there you can work at night There there are lots of ways to kind of work around an existing tenant We do it all over the country. I think we've come to the end of our hour and a half promise to get you back to work Or whatever you need to do thank you very much for all your comments and We take them and we'll Think about them and work them in the plans and we'll be back through Planning and zoning process through the DAB and DRB fairly soon. So thank you very much