 Captain Capron, and also Dana Hadley, kind of administrator, and Diane Isabel, town treasurer. Here a presentation from the Berlin Fire Department. You guys could probably go on up. Joe had sent me the proposed project which should be in front of you. They go down and give the highlights and things like that. So Chief Dufresne sends his apologies. He got called into work with a building emergency at about four o'clock. He doesn't think he'll be able to make it tonight. So instead, I introduce myself and Deputy Chief Keith Reneiderstein for those that don't know me. And thank everybody who knows Jerry. So we've been working since October or so on this budget and completed it, passed it last night at our business meeting. The highlights are, let's see, communications is up on our expenditures. The primary reason for the communications being up is that section includes our dispatch with Capital West, Montpelier Police Department. They have an across the board every department increase of 9% to their dispatching fees for this next coming year. So that brought us from 43.5 up to 47,000 for what we have to pay to them. We also increased our purchase of radio equipment another $2,000 to $5,000 for our aging equipment there. The line that we started last year when the Budget Committee was working, we had talked about getting a contingency fund last year for unexpected expenditures such as if one of the trucks decides the pump wants to go south on us, that would be $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 repair right there. So we're starting up a contingency fund this year. We're funding it with $5,000 to start with. We have $8,000 in CDs that is already basically our contingency fund. So it's gonna make $13,000 for this next year. We are offsetting that by increasing the previous budget surplus from what we didn't spend in previous years to $20,000 instead of $15,000. So that levels that out. Overall, the total expenditures is $331,400. From the current year, which is the expenditures of $315,350, it's an overall 4.8% increase. The department itself is going from department portion income of $60,532, in this current year to overall $63,432. What that effectively means is the increase to the town portion is 4.9% instead of 4.8%. I'm probably looking at it, but I don't see the total amount of the town. The total amount to the town, yeah, last year it was 254.818, yep, and this year it's 267.968, town, high state, okay. That's what that means. So I'm Jerry Diamantidis and I am the town representative on the board. Have been now for two years, I think. If I may, a couple of comments on the budget. One is going back to last year, we spent half the year with a budget committee developing the budget that's the precursor to this. And this is a continuation of that previous year's budget process, if you will. It didn't take quite as long this year because we spent so much effort redesigning it last year. But there are a couple of things I'd like to point out. Operationally, day to day, it's an extremely lean budget. I mean, the equipment is well worn and I wanna make sure that you understand that the folks at the fire department really recognize that this isn't their money and they do a really good job operationally running the fire department from a fiscal perspective, I believe. But there are two things that I wanna point out and they're at the bottom of the expenditures, 20,000 for capital replacement and 5,000 for contingency. The capital replacement, basically the capital that we're looking at replacing is a truck. At some point, it's going to come to pass in the not too distant future. Some folks say two years, some folks say five years, maybe it's six, maybe it's three. One of those trucks is going to need to be replaced. One truck is 1989. Our two primary response engines is a 1993, which we bought new and a 1989, which we bought used. Which have been maintained extremely well all this time. But should it come to pass that one of those trucks needs to be replaced, it depends on how you do it. It could be $300,000, it could be $500,000. It's not gonna be $100,000. So we've started in the past couple of years to identify this capital replacement fund. Now, we're only putting $20,000 into it. And I would make the case here that that might not be enough. Because at some point, there's going to be a quarter of a million dollar need. Now, it's not gonna happen where you need it the same day, but it's gonna have to get made up in short order. And it may be prudent to put more money into this fund than we've allocated in this budget. And I just wanna bring that to the board's attention so that as you evaluate what you're looking at here, that this may be a little bit short-sided on funding the capital replacement fund that we have. How much is in that? Is available for that fund? We currently have 90,000 in it. And an engine, I was just looking in this past week, a brand new engine, which is the way we use engines, we should get a new one instead of a used one. And a brand new engine for the style and type that we use is around $450,000. The, in your expenditures, loans. Is that interest? Is that, what are the loans? The loans are, was it three years ago now? We purchased a brand new suite of the breathing apparatus, the air packs. And we financed it at the credit union across the street. And that is only the repayment of that loan. That's the annual cost. So that's principally an interest? Yes, yes. How much longer on that? You wouldn't have to ask me that. I was just thinking about that the other day and I believe it's three or four more years anyway. Just thinking about a lot of when that time comes that should be added to the capital visitor. That was our thoughts. Did we ever talk about the bond? Because there's been some huge numbers floated past us in other years. Bigger than what you're talking about. Oh, they can be big, yeah. And I thought we talked about a bond of some sort of that ever came up. Is that just me remembering it wrong? I think we'd have to figure something out. Right. I mean, yes. I mean, you can't go without a fireplace. It's kind of hard to paint by the fire, that one. And I think we're doing the same thing trying to save money to our equipment. And we're in the same boat. We don't have enough money saved, but we all got it. There's a little bit of that pay me now or pay me later. Exactly, yeah. And to tell you the truth, I'm not sure which is more efficient if you floated a bond for the whole thing and hammer it down with bigger payments because you've already made the purchase or you scroll a little away because maybe someday, maybe we're going to need this money. And then it's half of what you need and now you've got a little of both going on instead of. And I think that's the road we're taking. We're taking a relatively light amount, but in line with the other line item expenditures, if you will. So it's not an annual big ticket item with the idea that it would be half as much of a bond as you might have to take out when the time comes. And apologies if you mentioned this already, but something that we saw last time was Diane looking at the lifespan of all of these equipment and us essentially paying what that would be broken up by year. So we're essentially paying the same thing every year. The five or 10 year plan, five year plan that you guys are working on, supposes that as well. It's just that as they're locking down that five year plan, we're at almost at the point where we need to start buying the big thing. So we have to sort of pass that first. And then once we do that, then we can look at budgeting that's going to be sustainable. And we probably, if we do it right, we probably won't have to have this big bite the next time around. But the other engine is gonna have to be replaced in six years. Yeah, you notice the numbers in 1989, 1993. The National Fire Protection Agency basically says frontline engines should be used for 20 years. We're past that. We'll pass the typical use of that. We've been able, we put off purchasing a brand new one by purchasing a used one six years ago, five years ago. Six or seven. Yeah, something like that. And that one served us well, but it's still, it's 1989 is what we purchased. So, yeah, we were talking about that Monday night. And my feeling is sooner rather than later, the two year timeframe, not the five year timeframe. The problem is by funding a, by having a capital fund that you can pay for this equivalent, you guys start funding the capital fund the day you buy the new truck. You're right. Well, that would be one way to do it. It's the opposite of depreciation. You do it from the other end and you're building up for when you need to replace. So tell me a little bit, why is new better than used? Are used just beat to death or? They can be pretty beat. The cost of, I was just looking at some of the used ones today on the market, 2005 or so used is about $100,000 compared to the 450 that's new. What are we gonna get out of an engine that's already 10 to 15 years old? We're gonna get another five to 10 years as compared to we can make a new one last 20, 25, 30 years. So, and the UCI, they could be really big. We've been lucky in both of what we got. We got our tower used from Hanover and they treated it very well and we got the other one used, I think from Hanover as well, and the engine and they treat their equipment well, so. So when you say used, you're not talking two or three years or you're talking 10 or 15 years? Yes, yes. Really used. Yeah, they don't have five-year-old used engines on the market. Yeah, who would sell it? It's not like a car. One of those companies that just went out of business on the bus, you know. But you would know if they were there, so. I had a question when Joe was here a little while ago, we had talked about the audit and that this is an audit year and we had also talked about the, maybe the town and the fire department could kind of share resources and we would include it. We're getting ready to release an RFP for audit services and I think now's the time should I include the fire department in that. We were talking about that the other day at the board meeting for the fire department and correct me if I'm wrong, we were, I believe it was pretty unanimous that that would be a good idea. That was a different thing. That was having Diana, Diane handle articles. No, no, there was that, but there was, we thought there was also a lot of people. We sent out an RFP for the audit and we've got one response at this time out of three. Father Yosemite Valley, who's the other one who hasn't given us a number back yet. Okay, well this would be, I think probably for next, starting next year if we do that. And I know you do them every other year on the odd years. Correct. But I just kind of visit that and refresh my memory of where we were on that. And the other thing I was gonna ask you about is the idea that Diane could do your accounting for you. And again, I mean, you're not gonna save an awful lot of money, but whatever you say. One of the other things is that goes back to the town doesn't go to somebody else, you know. We were, we talked about that Monday night and we were all quite favorable to having Diane do the books instead of an outside source. The question we had was, is it above the board enough? We thought, some of the people thought maybe we should talk to council and see what they think about that. And we do, one of the things that we were thinking is if she is doing the books, the audits would be included with the town at that time. So we wouldn't have to do an audit or reviews. Would that be the case? I don't think so. I think it would still be separate. But again, you bring a good point that is something I would ask legal to advise me on. And if you recall, the reason that the fire department is doing the audit was because the select board asked them to. I mean, it's best practices anyways, but if all of the books and all the finances are going to be sitting over here anyways. Yeah, I mean, I guess it would be a separate audit to a certain extent and that would be a separate account. I guess I'm just thinking that really the town shouldn't absorb the additional cost for the fire department audit. However, I think your economies of scale would make it more attractive. That's my opinion, so yeah. I think you have to have a separate audit. And an audit is really, I cringe every time the audit bill comes in because it's just always a lot. However, you're assuring your citizens that you're doing things directly. But even though it could be a separate audit in that case, including it in the same RFP. That's what I'm saying. That would be, I think you'd see an economy of scale. Exactly, that's what I'm thinking. You'd have a better pricing structure then. I think we should talk about, because you have to send one out. And maybe I'm premature asking you, but I just happen to think that so, but yes, we're gonna need to send one. I think we should talk about that because we really didn't get satisfactory responses to the RFP as far as we were concerned. We were hoping for three responses. We got one with one saying they're gonna give us a response at this time. So, now who did, was that Father Gil? Father Gil was the one who hasn't given us the response back. That's who we're using at the moment. I think by having a county in-house, it sort of links them together. Because sometimes in the past, we've needed information and needed information. We're available anytime you want us to talk to us. It's all right, in-house. It would just go from her separately. Right, and rather than going to our outside company, and I think it would be more seamless that way, too. And, yeah, I mean, it would be separate. You'd have to have some sort of separate, you know, module. But the source would be, you know. Right, right. It'd be like the water division, the sewer division. Same, same, yes, you're right. But this handled differently, obviously, because you're a private entity. Right, right. So let's keep talking and let me know. Yes. Let's move over. I'd like to help you. I'm not trying to foreign in-ski, am I? Do you know the deadline for getting the fire department numbers to post-marry so that they can get on the ballot? I don't. It's mid-January, I believe. That would have to be in the morning. I can certainly get that date. But I don't anticipate you'd have too much. I remember writing it's January 20th. Yeah. I think I got some numbers, you know. Maybe you should work here. Yeah. Yeah. She has to have it so many days in advance. You said the communications went up 9% but you only went up 70% on the ballot. Yes, that was what we did is it was a little bit rounded on this current year's budget and that changed the number from 9% to something. You were able to do that, yeah. What do you do with the, how does the carryover work? I should know, but in other words, are you saying here that you had 20,000 left over from the operating budget last year? Is that what you're saying? That's the surplus. Yeah, we had a surplus for the last couple of years combined with that rate for 20,000 we were able to apply. We, on a standard, have put 10,000. So we have a baseline in the account. We have a standard of 10,000 that we carry over from one year to the next year to the next year. We thought that fine balance. So the $20,000 that was left over in the budget sound like broken record, back to you going back to your loan. If we could have some fund balance left over and pay that loan off, then take the 30 grand, start putting it in the capital budget. So you're actually putting 55,000 a year in. You'd look pretty good in three or four years towards the trunk, because all it's on my mind without increasing your budget. So get rid of all that interest. Right, right, right. Enroll, but don't reduce your budget, just add it to the capital budget. Add it to the capital budget, correct. Deal with the debt before you start stocking money when it's not earning any interest. Exactly. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. So I'm just looking at that, saying, if you had a carry or a fine balance again this year, you probably could just about wipe that debt out. That's all. Mm-hmm. And then you could start stocking away 50 grand a year. Good advice. Noted. Is this ready to go to Rosemary now or do you anticipate any other changes? We don't anticipate any other changes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We'll be in touch. All right, thank you. Jeremy, would you please? See, are you the leader of this day? Danyan, this is for you. Why don't you just, I didn't hand it to you. No, you're not good to see that. All right. Yeah, you're just too deposit. Yeah. Thanks, Jeremy. Sure thing, Jeremy. Good night. Good night. Good night. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, thanks very much. No, they spent, it wasn't me. I came out the very last meeting. They spent a lot of time doing, forecasting, like looking at five years. That's not something that they've done in the past. And Joe isn't here, but it was Joe's vision to make sure that that's something that we're doing. And then Jerry actually taking, essentially taking that responsibility for doing that five-year plan. That was just like Joe said, this is what we need to do. Jerry said, I'm on it. Yeah, because we just heard story after story and didn't get information. It didn't get information. Actually, I started to tell them how much nicer it was and thought about it. My first time I remember they came in, basically with no paper. They said, you know, we need three-and-a-half dictionary wheels. What does water mean? Does it have a good one in the A or no? They did a very nice job. Oh, oh, oh. Oh, okay. The administrative budgets. Yes, I guess I'll start with the income or the estimated revenues. And again, this is always something that my modem is always to kind of try to go low and when it comes in more happy. If I'm too high, then I'm not happy. But we are projecting an additional $18,350 this year. I guess maybe some of the... Some of it's the pilot. Bigger changes. Is the pilot is more than what we had expected in previous years. So we did raise the pilot. And most of that is the pilot that's been increased. I can go over these if you want to listen to me talk or there's nothing other than that that I, that would really have done it too exciting. The pilot that's passed an FY19 pilot is $193,000. That was received for pilot, which is really good. I'm always, I'm always, you know, always cringing because when you hear what the legislature meets and the governor's saying, oh no, you know, pilot's going to go down. But so far, you know, it's been good the last three years. And our revenues were last and at the end of 18. Do you remember what they were as far as increased over what we had projected? Well, this was $192,000 or something. Something like that. Yeah, $193,000. Yeah, so. And this year's $193,000. Yeah, so that was. Did the pilot was due to the hospital? No, yes, part of this due to the hospital. As far as the psychiatric hospital? Oh, that was the beginning. That's what I was thinking as always, you know, and of course, the other buildings that they have here, too. And that varies with the state. And they have a formula of what they have. And so we now really know what we get. But the last few years have been pretty generous, I will say. With the state. And they've been living up to the contract? Yes, the $25,000. And the contract for the state due to $25,000 they have. Yeah, I do have contact there. And what I do now is I build them in May of each year. And the last two years has worked out well. Does the dispatch part of that agreement ever come into play? I mean, that just sort of bypasses us, right? We don't. It doesn't. They're still doing it for free. And so it's a good benefit for the town. We don't really have less than 20 years. 20? Yeah. And how you looked up, I think, it was Barry Towns' dispatch for just police is about $87,000. But I mean, look at what the fire department's paying. So we really say. What the neighbor said? Yeah, that was a shock. We got that number on Monday night. Yeah. I mean, that's quite interesting. And there's not that much that you can do at the fire department level over here to complain about it. So the dispatch is really very significant. Oh, yeah, yeah. Even though we don't see it in our books. Then we've had it before for some other reason. That's a free dispatch for the police. Because we asked for it. I think that was through, yeah, I can remember that. But ambulance, that's their problem. And fire officers, they're wrong. So we really don't have, we never paid for it for quite a while. Well, we've been paid for a part of that. Right, for a part. No police, no ambulance. Well, you pay for the ambulance one, too, because you pay the police. But I mean, as you said, I just said that's a lie to us, no. I wonder if that is, isn't that on the budget term of the talk? Barrett Town? That the ambulance contract, yes, we need to talk. We need to have a discussion on that. Well, that's for later tonight. What's the surgeon's zoning revenue? I see 22,000 room. We had 22,500 when we had 7,500 budgeted. Licenses of fees, which page? Yeah, zoning. Are you talking zoning? We're 10,000 now? You talking about the budget? No, no, no, I mean, I see that the budget, we just level funded it, or level earmarked it there. But the actual for fiscal year 2018 is almost three times. Well, and you know, and that's a good thing in that we got, we received more than what we expected. And he's talking about the expenses? He's talking that we received 22,563, rather than as compared to we only, well, last year we only anticipated 75. I think they might have, did they raise your fees a little? They raised, well, that was a couple of years ago, but I think we did not realize we were going to have the activity that we had, was one reason why. And I think we're going to also be able to bring in more than 10,000 and FY 19. But again, it's conservative. Sure. And we had, I mean, we had several accounts that we brought in more than what we had budgeted for income, which is I think a good thing, rather than the other way around. The expense side of things, the administrative budgets have an increase of $47,000. Again, in these budgets are salaries, which were set at 2%. And I guess I'll point out some of the highlights, other than the salaries and the fixed costs that we, again, the pension and the insurances, we still do not have the insurance figure from a legion, from the health insurance. It won't until the fiscal year. So we will not have that until July. OK, I'm going to keep asking you that, because I never remember that. It's not the calendar year. The BLCT is the calendar year. And the health insurance bill. So we're, again, what we're doing, what we always do is just kind of have our best guess in that. We have decreased the telephone line. I'm happy to tell you in that the phones that we have now are paid for. So we have as a service to pay for. So that's saving us $2,500 for the year. Who's longer on that contract? It's the contract ends December 18th. And it's just going to, we're going to be per month. I don't think we can do any better any other place. So we own the phones now. Yes. That was the biggest cost to get a, to go back. Several people said to me, can we go back to land lines? And that the cost to do that was just under $15,000. There's a lot of voice over IP phone providers out there. There's not just this group, which we did not really have a wonderful experience with, at least on the cost. I think that's improved. The salesman, I would agree, is not, but I've kind of bypassed him. And so I think we've had some good response and getting the phone system so that it does what we want. There is an apartment that would like the phone system to wash the floors, but it just doesn't. Should we put that up to bid again? You know, I don't think I'd recommend it because right now I don't think you're going to do any better financially wise. And it's serving, it really, I think, works other than when the internet goes down, which is a pain in the neck. Or our server has a blip or something. I mean, obviously, that's the problem. But no, I don't think that's going to, I just don't think we'd really benefit that much from it, Brad, to do it. I would certainly do it if the board told me to do it. But I don't think so. Basically, a thankful license, at this point. I mean, yeah, it's the software. It's the monthly fees. Just the monthly, you know, all the little things that it does for us in each individual. We've jumped through all the hoops, so we're starting. But there's a lot of companies that go to write that service. Yeah, and there are. That's very cheaper, really. Let's see, meetings and elections, that has gone down because we only have one election in this budget. You did put in for a computer and your computer. Right. The, I'm just thumbing to make sure I don't. Oh, OK. Well, the ambulance service is up $10,000. We're going to talk about that later. But we have budgeted using the figure for the next fiscal year. The ambulance service, and I always have to think about this. We have, they're basing it on 2,847 citizens. Seven-eighths of that is assigned to Barrie Town. So 25, 26 times $36.15. It's about $91,004 of Barrie Town. And then Northfield is the remainder of the citizens. And Dianne, remind me what it was for. You know, we're making a guess at $28. Right. And that's maybe low, but we're hoping that would be out. And I'm hoping to hear a more firm figure from Jeff one of these days. So right now we're budgeted. So that's up from $90,600 to $101,423 based on our figures. We had put into the capital budget. The capital budget is actually down $85,000. But what we don't know is what you want us to put in highway equipment and structures. We used $172,000 based on Dianne's spreadsheet that she talked about a couple of weeks ago. And that's budget. Again, that's not a firm number. That's what we felt was a good number to put in there for now. We had the traffic lights last year of $25,000. This year we have $10,000 in there. And that is for anticipation of having to replace the server. We've got $15,000 in there. $10,000 that would be for the server. And then the other $5,000 we said would be $15,000. Yeah, the capital budget is $15,000. OK. And so $10,000 at the server, $5,000 was doing a building study that you were talking about. That's right. And again, this is thinking in the future. I don't think any of us would really qualify, or I'm not qualified, to really plan for the future for the building. The building is going to have to be addressed at some point. It's not going to happen next year or the year after. And I'm probably not going to see it. But I think it might behoove us to start thinking about a committee to work on the building and also maybe having some professional help to draft up some plans for the building. That does not have to happen this year. There are, obviously, we're bursting at the seams. But it works, such as it is. Over years, there's been patches here, patches there. And I think it would make more sense to have someone put it together and knows what they're doing. So basically, it has to make a feasibility study with some sketches and some square footage planning as to what you really need for a building. I agree. That's what I'm thinking. And I'm not even sure if it's going to be this building. I mean, I'm just wondering how is the mall coming in with their plans on that? The mall, the town-centered designation is really ramped up now that our plan is approved. And zoning is going to the voters in March, our zoning plan. And to be, we're assuming it's going to be approved. I'm also talking about that in a little bit, too. So there's a lot of plans going on in the mall. And as far as you know, the gentleman came in a couple of weeks ago and talked about the assisted living facility that's going there. There are a few other things, I think, on their plate. I think they're really actively working on the town-centered designation. It's looking with things in place. Everything's getting more and more in place. We've been meeting every two weeks with my rushman, Tom and I. And I think it's been a lot longer than we thought it was going to be. I think it's starting, but I think we're moving forward. And again, that is one idea of having town offices over at that mall, having them. The only issue is the vault. Well, I mean, again, and that's why we'd have the feasibility study. I see a lot of them. The vault. It's sure to move that vault. I mean, obviously, you need to be able to get into the vault. I mean, yeah, the clerk would have to have somewhere to store records that was met all the requirements. I think what you'd be asking for for NIRP is a space plan. OK, thank you. And what they do is they figure a number of people, a number of offices, a number of restrooms, and they come up with the total square footage. Then they'll do a few sketches for you showing you different right processes. How much money's in the Equipment Fund now? In the Equipment Fund right now? OK, we have. You're talking, like, from? That was the one we budgeted for last year. The first year we budgeted. Yeah, I gave you something there to give you a little bit. So 157.712 is actual for 2018. So is that what we carried in there? Let me look at that for you so I can refresh my memory here. That is what we actually have spent. That's what we spent on the truck, on that new truck. Yeah, and that was in the 18 budget. You're looking more at 233.196. OK, out of that 233.196, right now we have 138.7 left. But that is for? Well, we have front of the money for the culvert. And so that's where that came from. And we will be getting, I anticipate, that our total cost for the Merrill Lake Road culvert is in the $35,000 range, which I guess means that we have. And we have to talk about the excavator at some point. But it should mean that we have something like $190,000 left. I would say that at the absolute anticipation. But right now, for the Merrill Lake culvert, we have 144,583 that we spent. We know we're going to spend more. And even despite the fact that we have a grant on this one, we have Richardson Road to contend with. We're not going to get a grant. So if we've already spent this much on Merrill Lake, what do we spend on Richardson Road? Well, you're going to get 90% of that back from the grant. But how much is the Merrill Lake project going to be in all, do you think? We have not gotten the, I should know that, because we did bid the thing. And I can't remember what it would be. But just Richardson Road's going to be more, right? I'm not sure of that. We haven't gotten the engineering finished on that. So I guess that's my point, is I don't know how much of this 233 we should be holding for Richardson Road or, you know, obviously we'll be spending $30,000 on this. We have a few things going with that line. Richardson Road and then what we're going to do about the excavator problem. That's what's going on in the back of my head. Yeah, yeah. So when we're talking about how much we should fund next year. We may have to not do Richardson Road in 19 if we have to, depending on what we do with the excavator. Is that at a risk of collapse or failing? Because that's a much bigger problem if that one fails the Merrill Road. Yes, because you always can hire, if you need an excavator, you always can hire one or have someone come and do a move a culvert or something like that. Is it ready to collapse? No. However, it needs attention. And the longer we wait, of course, the worse it is. And we had talked earlier about slip lining. I was told the other day that they would not allow us to slip line. And I will have John Grenier come in to talk to you about that when he is ready to do that. I guess it is. I'm not thinking it's going to be, and maybe I'm a little too optimistic, but I don't think it's going to be at the same level that Merrill Road was. Well, it's not as big. What do you think? It's a big culvert. Two culverts or just one? It's one big one. And I can't tell you how big, but it's pretty big. And I was there with the hydrologist last fall, and he thought that we didn't need one quite that big. Again, that's our look at the engineer. It's not the cost of the culvert. It's the putting it in that's expensive. If there's an eight footer in there now, probably better off just keep it eight because it costs less to put the air in than it does to put gravel in. So we have that cost that we don't know what it is, and hopefully maybe we'll have a little better idea before we finalize the budget. The excavator was total. We're going to get $37,000 from the insurance. We had talked a little bit about putting an RFP. We think maybe a used machine would be the way to go, perhaps. Diane found the invoice from the current excavator that we purchased in 2010. That was a purchase price of $75,000. It had 403 hours on it when we bought it. I mean, it was on it, and then I asked that too. You did, and I don't. I can't. I think so. 4,000 hours. That's 360 hours a year. Yeah. And I think that you had mentioned in the RFP that you were thinking of maybe having an excavator with 250 hours. Is that the good thing? Well, the reason that 250 came up is the one that him wanted had 250 hours. Oh, OK. That's where the 250 came up. OK, that's why I have it in my head, which is 250 hours a lot of hours a year. I don't think so, is it? 3,000 to 4,000 is not that much. I mean, I'm trying to think, I think one grader when they traded or sold it at 14,000 hours a day. So Tim had the salesman had this great deal that we could at least purchase and so forth. But again, we're trying to kind of stay away from doing things like that for committing ourselves to five years. Well, it'd be nice if we could find a used excavator with 1,000 hours on it and buy it for $80,000 and take the $35,000 worth of insurance money and pay the rest out of the capital. That's all that I was thinking. I was trying to see if there was enough money there for that, plus the risk of smoking. Maybe not quite, but maybe we can. We do have an equipment fund. I don't know what that has in it. The reserve fund, I'm thinking of it, doesn't have that much in it, does it? You're talking like the highway? Yeah. It doesn't have, I don't have that right here. Oh, no, I didn't think to ask you, sorry. Still, we're talking maybe 20,000 there. But we could spend it, obviously. Right, I'm just saying what would help towards, so maybe it might be close, but maybe we could do something. I guess where I was going with all that is should we change this. The government funded $200,000, so we could have enough money to do an excavator. That's where I was going with that. So instead of 172, bring that to 200, which, yeah. It brings it back to the 2018 level. Well, did you want to change the RFP so that we can put it up to five more hours? No, that's what I'm saying. I think that we could get an RFP for a size machine with up to 1,000 hours on it. Well, again, the question was the warranty, too. Right. And I think once you get over 500 hours, you're probably going to find any warranties, but... 250 is, well, that's just a demo unit. Exactly. And I think that's what that John Deere was, was a demo unit. So we could say less than 500? Yeah. Five or less? Yeah. And see what we get, but if we increase that line out into $200,000, we should have enough money after we get reimbursed for Mirror Lake or an excavator and a culver, as I'm thinking, without having to find the culver. Would you like us to change that to $200,000? I'm asking everybody's opinion about that. So I think it's... I think it's... Good idea. Good idea. Can you put out your RFP for the excavator, you and it's 500 hours, you can take it, say it has to have a certain warranty with it. Yeah. Then we'll just add that into a cost machine. Right. It doesn't seem like we spent all that much as far as repairs to the excavator if incorrect before this time period. No. No, we really... I mean... That really doesn't have that many hours. Well, Donald's got a 390 get-up, how are we going to set up a commentary? I saw that the other day. He's got a 7-year deal with me. I mean, the other thing is... I think we have... Money's got to hire people. They have to tear it apart a little bit if we have to. I think I don't think we need to hire people. It'd be hard to put a culver in with that. I think we'd have to raise that line. Yeah. So I guess that's the administrative cycle, once you have any questions that we can answer or any other suggestions. There is one new computer in there, it's for me. Otherwise, now all the other computers were replaced, this one I've been building anyways in the last two years. The next to the oldest after that is... Right. Yeah, mine's the oldest. Yours is the oldest. Mine is the oldest. You're about five years old. Five or six. Yeah. Probably six years old. Yeah, I've been here four or so. Yeah. The zoning telephone item went up by quite a lot. It's like six miles by a lot. Percentage, right? 650 to 1200. That is Tom's phone because I think we're putting more of his cell phone on that. Yes. Yeah, we're putting Tom's cell phone on that. Yeah, right now, I guess our cell phone, he's using, we're putting against highway, you know. Sorry, I'm doing it differently. I'm trying to refresh my memory, Jeremy, bear with me while I look and see what I'm talking about here. I'm not sure why that's 1200. I'm gonna look into that. That seems high to me. Maybe not? I don't think so. 100, yeah, probably not, $100 a month. Okay. All right. Yeah, we can put it in. It looks big as you look at it, but if you put it over, look. Yeah. You're right. You're right. No, and is that on the same plan as any other town cell phones? You know, we really should bring them on the same plan. I don't know if it would save us money, but it would be easier for us because right now it's AT&T. Okay, the AT&T plan we have is for municipalities, just to make you aware. Okay. Because when we have to replace the phone, we can't just go to AT&T. We have to go through the service and we have to call them. Because we do get a special price. Bless you. But the reason that we're with AT&T is that Tim says he doesn't. It was Tim because his phone is also, he doesn't have, he can't get service on Verizon at his house, which is why. Because Tom doesn't care one way or the other. No. And the police department has Verizon. Verizon with the state, the state recommends everything to. Right, yeah. I just think, I mean, I have three lines for less than a hundred. I mean, obviously it's a different sort of account. Well, they have actually three lines. There's two for highway and one for Tom. But all together, it should be less than, I mean, that's my instinct anyways. Well, I think it's because of the data. Well, then it's the data. How much of the data do they use? Oh, I mean, I guess I could look in the bills, right? I could certainly get it for you, Jeremy, but I don't bear quota. This is, is there an AT&T bill? Not in there. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's right. Let me, I will email you, Jeremy, okay? Okay, thanks. When you're talking about data, you're just talking about files and stuff, not just talking. No, not talking, not texting, just any time they download it and check the news or look at the internet on their phones. Right, that's what I was just thinking. No, that was what I wanted to look at. I don't remember seeing that in the bills that it was too terribly high, but. I think that we're paying for a level, but maybe we're different at using, which is interesting. I was thinking it was $45. Just for that one. They don't all three have it, but Jim has it. The main phone, it's kind of a plan that the main phone pays more and then the others are less. So that's it for the budget meeting. Yeah. Most of it's close to that. I want you to go during the budget meeting. All in favor? All right. Wrigley scheduled select board meeting for the time of the order for Thursday to December the 6th. To my far left is Pete Kelly. My left is Wayne Lamberton. To my right is Jeremy Hansen, Angelina Capron. And with us also is Dana Hadley, our town administrator, and Diane Isabel, our town trader, and I'm Brad Town. And we will start with additions or changes to the agenda data. Yes, I'd like to add the discussion for the Recreation Department snow blower. In public comment, hearing none, Treasurer's Report Diane. Okay. The audit is rocking now, finally. And it's supposed to be done by December 1st, but it's not quite done yet. I'm anticipating with the next week or so, because after that we do want to have the auditor come in and do the presentation. I haven't heard anything good, bad, or indifferent. I'm sure there will be a few entries to make, but beyond that, I haven't really heard anything. We're not aware of any issues or... No. Okay. So we have bills. So we'll move to the ordinance of abuse of town roads for snowmills and ATVs. Sure. You print out this so they can just read it when they do the policies. I don't know yet. Thank you. I'm gonna find this soon as she gets over it. Okay. On the ordinance for the town, use of town roads. I think that you've had a few public hearings. You've had several people that have given you their input on different issues. I have not written the ordinance because I'm waiting for the board to either approve it or not approve it. As far as use of the roads. And as far as use of the roads. And so I guess that's where I am. Just waiting for the board is going to say yes or no. And then what further stipulations would be in the ordinance. Again, we'd have to... What about this one? Well, how would you like to do it? No, I mean, what you said is right, but I think we should have attacked it a little bit differently. Probably. So I guess what it comes down to is how does the board feel about allowing use on certain roads in the town? So that the ATVs and the snowmobillers can get there, see if they can get there, and the trail system is set up. So I guess what it comes down to is, do we want to do this or not, or do we want to take in limited use or just have an idea of just what roads were allowed them to use? When you say that, it means that we'd bypass the ordinance, but we would give... Well, what we should have done was we should have put the ordinance in first and then did the roads. So what we're doing is the ATV, and the clubs wanted to know if we would allow it, and we weren't sure when we were the others, so we started kind of on the backside of it. So why don't we start it the right way? It can be an ordinance that lets us then... Fill the ordinance. Well, I think what the ATVers are looking for is, or the snowmobillers, the clubs are, is will we allow the use of certain roads in the town of Berlin? If we do, then they can go and get their trail system put in. If we don't, then they're basically out of luck. So what we're doing, I think what we're trying to do here is just to allow the heaven of all, to allow the teleclubs, yes, we will allow use, or no, we will not. And that is where we're kind of at right now. But I think just another little input on that. When this all came about, it was mainly just to get the snowmobile trail back open, and then we kind of got attacked by the ATV clubs, and they wanted to join in and have like a dual trail going through. And I was like, I was kind of skeptical with that at first, because I knew we were gonna run into some roadblocks with it, but really mainly just trying to get the snowmobile trail through there. I understand that the ATVs, there's a whole different issue. That's a whole different issue, and Vast doesn't really want to have a lot to do with the ATV club. But with the snowmobile club, it would only really be open. You can only ride the snowmobile trails from December 15th to April 15th, and that's weather permitting. Sometimes you're not on the snowmobile trails until late January, and then you're done in March. So it's really only like a couple month time period. Well, it's like everything is weather dependent. It's all weather dependent. And I understand the skepticism on the ATVs, I really do. It's a whole different situation right there. That's more like year round, in the spring when it's muddy out. Snowmobiles, it's only when there's snow on the ground. So the other thing I question about if we were, well, we're not gonna do it that way, I guess, but if we were to vote on an ordinance first, that would be another 60 days or another. Would we revisit that later? Well, if we take it, we still have to take and go through the ordinance process. So basically, I think tonight is just to let the snowmobile clubs know one way or the other if they can use the roads. Specific roads? Specific roads. In this area, in just sections of the roads, and how can I go up the whole Brookfield road? Right, what we've talked about there. So I guess the motion I'll be looking for is, are we gonna allow use of some of the roads, or are we gonna not allow use of some of them? So I guess one thing that I'd be interested in here and how everybody feels about it is, there is a section of road here that without it, they can't build a trail anywhere. And that is from the Colvert. In the Shed Road. Yeah, at the In the Shed Road under the interstate to Berlin Pond Road. And if we're not gonna give them the ability to use that piece of road, they can't have any trails, because they can't cross the interstate in the other way. So, I mean, I'm in support of allowing that. But I think, you know, they've got some work to do to figure out the rest of their trails. Yes. But I mean, if they knew that they could use that 1,000 feet approximately of road, then they could go out and get to work and see if they could get permission from Landowners to build the trail. Yep. So, we would give them permission to do stuff to being able to obtain permission from the whomever. And that would only have to be the snowmobile, but it would only have to be during snowmobiles. If you could say, listen, we don't really want ATVs on our roads, snowmobiles don't be okay from December 15th to April 15th on these sections. But I wouldn't like to be able to ride my ATV over to Marks House and stuff, you know. That's up to the police and if they're gonna enforce anything like that, you know. Well, I agree with Wayne, we should give them, but we shouldn't squelch the possibility of them finding trails on private property. If we allow them 1,000 feet or whatever it is. Crosstown Road on the west side, I have to help the intersection of Pinterpike South over to the culvert, the middle of the culvert. It's approximately across, directly across from Sheppard. Well, the dry hydrant is, that's what we're gonna get on the road. So we'll say from the dry hydrant to the intersection with Pinterpike South. I mean, we've gotta go through the ordinance process to do that, that's gonna be too late for the snowmobile season. It's too late at this point anyways, we know it was gonna take place. But by passing this ordinance it'll give you guys a year to try to go and knock on doors and try to get a trail. Basically, that's the way I look at it. I think that that's, without that piece, they can't do anything. The other thing I wanted to question actually for the snowmobile folks is that if they do get permission from other people, does this require a renewal every year? They do the forms that past have, they have yearly ones and they have until people, like the town could sign one, until you don't want us to use it anymore. This is on an, it's usually a yearly basis, but we try to get permission forms until they say no. So it would stay open until they want you to leave. Just, there's actually nothing going to knock on the doors every year if you know, could the 50 property version of it? I'm just thinking. The ordinance is however you want to word it, yeah. I would take probably, for the town at least, that section of road should be yearly. I want to make a motion to go forward with the ordinance allowing for use by snowmobiles of town roads, specifically, I guess, I don't know if this is correct, but specifically approximately 1,000 feet of road on Crosstown Road from the Tri-Hydrate to Turnpike South for snowmobiles only. So I guess we'd need to go and do an ordinance before we can actually approve that section. Yeah, but basically you're saying you want to take in and let them know that we're going to do that. So it's a signal. And with a yearly... Rural. Rural, yeah. I'll prepare that for your next meeting, but I'll send it to you before because I want to make sure it's worded correctly. That'd be more clearly defined in the ordinance. We can also look back at what we had before, and I think there's also model ordinances. Oh, I'm not worried about that. I'm just worried about making sure I got the dry hydrant and the wet side of the road and, you know. You know, if you look at other towns, what other, because it vases in every town, and it's in the city of Vermont, you can look what agreements they have with other towns as well. But define what we're talking about. I mean, I can do all the right. I can even get some of that information for you, Dana, if you need it. Thank you, Josh. You don't need to. I'll do it. Yeah. So... We probably have enough to do. Here's a second. I'll show you soon. Wait a second. Okay, so now we can still continue the discussion. Is there any other discussion on it? I don't think that this ruffles anybody's feathers. I think you're right. I think that if there's going to be any connection between trails, it has to happen here. I still personally don't think that Brookfield Road and Black Road are good options for a number of reasons, but this doesn't consider that. Okay. Any other discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor? Aye. Those opposed? Portion carries. No, you just got right the importance data. Beautiful. That's it. Jimmy, did you sign this? No, I guess you did. Yeah. You're going to see a thing in the report form. Do you have a piano or something? Thank you. I got a piano. If it was left for the price, they were trying to get rid of the piano or something. Okay. And a little while. Yeah. At least you've got nothing more to do with that. That would be it. It was one of the conditions of sale. Can you renewal of the ambulance contract, Dana? The ambulance contract expires June 30th of 2019. And in the contract, we were given an option to extend the contract for an additional two years. And we need to notify Barrie Town if we're going to do that before January 1st. What's the step in the increase? That's right here. We're going from 30, I'm sorry, I'm looking at the wrong line. 33.79 per capita. And that's considering 2500 people, 2526 to 3615 per capita for FY20. And the following year, FY21 goes to 3868. So this year it's going up a little over $2.50 and the same for the following year. So it's about $6,000 a year, an increase. Yes. Over the next two years. And this decision is for two years, it isn't, you know. There's no option for just doing one year, no. I will say that they have given us very good service. We, last time we put this out to bid, Barrie Town was the only bidder. I move that we enter into a contract extension with Barrie Town and bills. Second. Any further discussion? So as long as we're extending the contract that was here, we're not required to follow the RFP process? No. No, because you had, we had. Agreed to the two-year extension. Which we had to take care of that in the last contract. We agreed to think about it. Yeah. Okay, any other questions? All those in favor? All right. Those opposed, motion carries. I will let Barrie Town know your three sets of minutes. Yeah. I'm trying to find the problem. Okay. I'm looking at it here. Did you? Yeah, mine ends. Mine ends. Right after the Barrie Town ambulance agreement. I sent you two packets this time. And as I added the Barrie Town ambulance, so probably should have just redone the whole thing. Okay. Monday on the idea at the time. There you go. Yeah, there's a name. A couple of days left. Monday, October 5th. Oh, earlier, earlier. All right, I just looked at it. Kind of a administrator. On the October 15th one, in the long, long narrative with the public hearing, just a name spelling correction down in the fourth from the bottom line, this is Jerry Diamantidis. It's of the J. Thank you. Rather than the G. I'm impressed. I can't even say his name, I don't want to spell it. Jerry. Yeah. Motion on those, move to approve the minutes for the October 15th and 18th select board meeting with the previously noted change. Second. In the other discussion, all those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. We'll do a lot of housekeeper tonight, David. Yeah. The Thursday, November 1st, minutes. Another name correction under public hearing. Third line down, this is Shea Miller. Shea is called S-H-E-A. Thank you. I missed that meeting, didn't I? I thought you did, so let me check into it and I will correct the agenda. You're going to stay here, really? Yeah. I think we're doing okay. Any other changes to that? All those in motion to pass? Move to approve the November 1st, 2018 select board minutes with the previously noted change. Second. Any other discussion on those? Hearing none, those in favor? Aye. Those opposed, motion carries. And the minutes for Thursday, November 29th. The time is wrong on that one, I'll fix that. What's that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, so. Motion on those? So moved. Hear a second? Okay. So moved. That's good. Good to see you. Any other discussion on those? Hearing none. Okay, hearing no other discussion, all those in favor? Aye. Those opposed, motion carries. And approval of licenses, permits, vouchers. Move to approve general fund accounts payable warrant number 19G11 checks 18662 to 18711 in the amount of $224,130.98. Also, Northfield savings payment NSN 19-16 in the amount of $5,970.53. Also payroll warrant number 19-11 for payroll from November 11th, 2018 through November 24th, 2018 in the amount of $49,588.05. Second. Any further discussion? Hearing none, those in favor? Aye. Aye. Those opposed, motion carries. Town Administrator, report data. Sure. I think I told you what I know about the downtown designation. Speaking about the zoning approvals, the select board is going to need to hold a public hearing on the zoning updates. And we have tentatively chosen January 10th to do that, which is not irregular meeting night. Planning board needs to have two, you need to have one. And so that's Thursday the 10th. Washington County has a pre-budget meeting on July for the fiscal 20 budget, which will be next Thursday at 10 o'clock at the County Clerk's Office. I mentioned the Christmas party, college party. We have, we're going to be working with the state, Vermont, towns, all their parcels are being mapped by through a state, actually it's highway money through the state. And it's taken over three years. Berlin is on the third year of the project. So that will be happening in 2019. I think it's going to save us some money in our mapping department. And that is an expensive thing to keep our maps up to date. So that will be happening. Town center has spoke to you about, we still, we still, I'm still waiting for some more information on the police department doors. And we are going to be putting out an RFP for the hazard mitigation plan. We do have funding for that. Next week I'll be going for training for emergency management for administrators, as well as Diane, Rosemary and Corinne. We had spoken some time ago about rewriting the animal control ordinance. And basically it was because of the fines in there of how we can have them as revenue. So I will be doing that as well. So that's really all I have tonight. Your addition. My addition is the snow blower that the recreation department uses to clear the snow from the rink is dying a noble death and needs to be replaced. Tom Willard went out and got three quotes on a snow blower. The money would come out of the recreation fund. We have three, one from Tucker machines for 1999, 1999. And these are all, what's that? What make are they? This one is a Toro Power Max. Look at that. I don't understand that better than I do. John Deere has given him one for Honda HS. And Tom tells me these are all comparable machines. $3,029. And Sears, a Sears machine for 1799,99. I asked him to get three quotes as per our policy for purchases between 1,000 and 5,000. This is the one I used to have. Yeah. The Honda is really nice, a lot of power in there. The Sears are so expensive. Yeah, yeah. Roodle. Their beauty machine. I have the one that the Sears, yeah. I'm just gonna say that I would move to approve the machine from Dockers only because they can fix it. I think Tom also said that to me, that he, you know, they take care of that. There's probably nothing wrong with the Sears machine, but who are you gonna call? Right. So does that stay just here? It is just here. Yeah. They store it out in the shed. So it should last like a while. 1,999,99. I'll make a motion that we buy the snowblower from the funds, from the recreation fund, from Tucker machine for 1,999,99. Second. Thank you for the discussion. Hey, what, what do you want? I'm not gonna run it. It's just a ring. Yeah. I got one note to my John here, so I'm gonna have to do that. All those in favor? Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries. If you need to convene the liquor control board, you'll have to recess the select order that you do with the control board. Second. All those in favor? Aye. I have application for a catering permit for Cornerstone Puffin Kitchen. We've approved them many times. We know them. It's for a party to be held at the Northfield Savings Bank on December 13th. Move to approve the catering license for Cornerstone. Second. What's this for, anyway? It's a Northfield Bank's Christmas party. President's party at Northfield Savings Bank. I got invited, so that's what I wanted for you. You should probably recuse yourself. All those in favor? Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries. And change the approximate number of persons people expected in 99. All right. Reconvene the select board. Move to reconvene the select board to adjourn the liquor control board to reconvene the select board. Second. All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Round the table, Pee. I'm set. Wayne? I'm set. Jeremy? You in? Okay. I'm good. Executive session? No, thank you. Move to adjourn. Sorry. Second. All those in favor? Aye. All right. This is a record.