 Welcome to The Footie Show daily. Lots to talk about today. Obviously there was a meeting on Friday surrounding the Premier League. Officially very little came out of that. They decided that they would only come back when it was all well and good and ready to go. But unofficially during the night as the papers went into Saturday morning, a few stories started to come out. Certainly one surrounding neutral grounds, eight to ten grounds. That would be used. No home games. Every game would be, every scene would, you know, obviously if Manchester City had to be news they wouldn't be getting new. They wouldn't play there, they'd play somewhere else. Same with Anfield, things like that. We obviously had Joe Anderson coming out on Maisie side saying you know Liverpool fans will come out if they win the league. A lot of people weren't very happy about that but he was absolutely right because it's human nature. Not asked what anyone says. Just on that, say Liverpool are playing at Wembley as Wembley will be used. But they're saying it won't. I think it will. But say it was Wembley. One fans just still go to Anfield and celebrate because that would be, I think that's what he was generally saying anyway. So regardless of where the Liverpool are inside that ground. And listen this could be, this Everton fans would not, this is not just Liverpool ever. If we were going to win the league people would go naturally probably to Goddison Park. You don't want them to, you want them to stay away. So that's going to be an issue running on but yeah back to what I was saying. That's human nature. When things happen people want to be together. That's how it works. We're like that. We're like that as a human species. So it almost feels like the parameters have been decided now. But coming off the back of that some of the owners are certainly not happy. Certainly the teams surrounding the relegation zone. The Brighton chairman come out and he said he's not happy and we know that there's other clubs who essentially just want relegation taken off the table for coming back. Which is an interesting theory because I think that would solve the solution of the championship because no one's discussing this. No no what I mean is I'm just as a theory. It's an interesting theory because if you've got no relegation then the championship in theory doesn't have to come back. And if you just sort of pay off leads and pay off West Brom, I know they're not going to be happy but if you can pay them off in terms of like you've spent X amount this year to sign it up is a softener because we won't give, it means that we won't be giving parachute payments to the three teams that go down so you can have that money instead. You get their parachute payments. And I know Simon Jordan come out and he's done a thing for Key's and Grey on their show and basically come up with a way you could do that in terms of if you just move. He's right isn't he if you've got, I mean I don't agree with it because I don't know how. If there's no relegation. He values the competition. Well if there's no relegation essentially we're just playing a game to give Liverpool a league which is bizarre because you can't. No no again I'm not, again this isn't against Liverpool what I'm saying is you either bring it back and Liverpool have the chance to rightly be crowned champions because they deserve to 25 points at it, they deserve to be champions. But you also then have to relegate the bottom three. If you don't relegate the bottom three then you can't possibly give Liverpool the league title because otherwise what's the point of the games other than just to fulfil some games, friendlies? Cos that's all the way it become. As long as Liverpool get the league it makes no sense. I think with Liverpool being so far ahead I think that the clubs themselves will agree that that's not really a priority and I'm not saying that's right. I'm just saying that they'll probably think well if we cancel it we'll just give Liverpool the league anyway. The precedent's been set in France so that's getting the post by the way. Well everything will get a post but that precedent's been set there so I don't think they really care about that. I think for clubs like for Brighton I think the issue for them is the rules have been changed anyway so what's the difference? If we've got five or six games left of the season and they've got some big games on by the way like some of the top sides they're thinking well we need that home advantage okay there's no fans but we need that home advantage and we desire if you're going to have relegation then how can you change the competition rules and I think that's the way they're looking at it. Liverpool's a separate thing as I said because so far ahead that if the first game back was Liverpool vs Man City they've won the title? No I'm just saying so they're probably looking at it and I know a lot of people will say well if you can't have one without the other but they might be willing to say well you sort of can because that's basically sort of done. I'm not trying to say like Liverpool 100% deserve to lead it, they've won it, they've won it, no question about that but I just don't see how you can, to me you can't have one thing going on at one end and the other one just taking it away because you're playing games just to give someone. But that's what Brighton's don't mean anyway? That's what Brighton are basically saying anyway? Well a couple of teams are but I think that's the point isn't it they're basically saying well. But going on to the no, Liverpool are going to win the league anyway so Liverpool are champions rightly so the rest will play out the champions league places over heaven it's only really, it looks like it's only really the fourth place one isn't it that tough for grabs and then obviously there's European places and evident might not benefit you know. But the relegating thing Simon I watched the keys and grating for me it's still the best show around after this. I can't watch Sky's Nonsence it's full of Nonsence people with Nonsence notes what I mean so the keys and grating quite good, got good opinions whether they're right or wrong but Simon Jordan is excellent on it and I know sometimes he runs his mouth and he is what he is he's that kind of character but he's a fella who's sat round a boardroom of a Premier League with other 19th stakeholders and had his say and he knows how to run a football club. He was right with the parachute payments if you don't relegate he was to be honest he was talking about voiding this season okay because it's about health and safety of people not just about giving people titles or allowing people to stay up over it but so what he said and it stands whether they take relegating off the table or the void this season it's the same principle isn't it. If you say to it's Norwich, Bournemouth and Villa isn't it at the moment they're a bottom three and I know Villa have got a game in hand but even if they done the merit system Villa go down so they're the bottom three so if you said to those three you're in no danger to go down now normally you'd pick up 140 million this season but you're only picking up 120 150 million but you're also going to get that next season because you're in the bottom three. The Premier League were at the moment you'd have got one year and then been down with the rest so you're going to be essentially 100 million pound better off virtually than what you would have been and then with the remain that gives you a pot say of like 60 million you could then say to Leeds and West Brom there's 30 or 40 million for you and there's 20 or whatever and do it that way so they would enable them to have no issues next season. They'd be dead to go again and probably would be the strong faders to come back up again. They'd be giving money, big amounts of money, ready to go. Okay, that's if they could spend it. Well yeah but it's things about paying the place they currently got though isn't it and things like that so there's a way to do it and that kicks in then. Obviously we're looking at other ways that we can then give league clubs lower than that and that's a separate issue I know but money needs to go into them to try to keep them going just till we get back playing but that's one way how you do it by taking the money off the three bottom clubs and giving it to Leeds and West Brom. It's a compromise situation isn't it? That's what I'm saying. You've set the parameters now that football is going to come back. You've put the first thing out there saying we're going to do it on neutral grounds then of course the clubs are going to, the clubs here affects more than any are going to come forward and say well here's what we want. The Premier League then will have to do a counter offer and of course and it will come to a point where, what do you think they'll settle? Do you think relegation will be taken off the table? I could see that. I'm not saying they will. I could see it being taken off the table. I could see a situation and it depends what, see the TV companies that have to come involved here and say well what do you, would this, would having no relegation, Yeah but they've got to look at it and say how many people, will people stop watching right for the fact that there's no relegation. If you've put every game but then there's no, no I fully understand. There's nothing on the game. No no I fully understand. Are you going to sit and watch Norwich against, I don't know, Aston Villa anyway? Are you going to watch Norwich vs Aston Villa anyway? Because I wouldn't. I couldn't care less. Possibly. Possibly. I couldn't care less. So after a moment with nothing going on you won't watch Norwich and Villa if it's on. I might not. That's the point. I'm not 100%. I might have something to do. Right? A very busy man. Or sleep. Or edit. Yes. The second one. Right. The point being is, if you've got the other end, if you've got, you have got your European competition, if you have got the big games we gravitate to anyway, you might watch those. Don't forget there's going to be a lot. If they decide what they want to decide and there's going to be all this football, that's a lot of football. I'd rather watch Norwich against Aston Villa than Man United. If you say to them, if you say to the TV companies, well, it's a festival of football, right? People will watch no matter what. I understand you take the jeopardy out of it. And I'm not saying that's the right thing. But if there's football with no jeopardy, rather than no football. I mean, I mean, we're ignoring the fact that there's actually the biggest jeopardy going on here. People's health. No, I know. Listen, listen. It's not even. I think you made a really good point over the weekend in the Chamber in the Crystal Palace. He said, he said something like, football is nonsense. He said, but it's the best nonsense or something like that. And he's right in what he said. Or he said something like it's a distraction, but it's the best distraction or something like that. And I get that. We've gone past the point of talking about whether it's right or wrong. We know that. We know it's not right and we know that they've had tests in Germany already that have come back and 10 players have tested positive in Germany in the two divisions. We know it. We know football coming back is nonsense, but it looks determined to come back. It looks determined to come back in Italy and it looks determined to come back in Spain. But we've had Sergio Aguero over the weekend saying he won't play. Listen, there's no point in talking about that kind of stuff because we know what's going on now, what we think could happen. And I think football would know jeopardy on against football. It's the best case scenario. Because at the end of the day, I'm watching space vs Coventry in the 1987 Cup Final and I'm enjoying it. It was a hell of a game. I'm enjoying it. But I know what happened. It was a hell of a game. There's no jeopardy for me. I know what happened. I'm watching it. Every time you see the ball, it got in half its thigh. I think you're forgetting one thing in all this. The Peter Billins play, innit? No, I don't think. I think you're forgetting the one thing in all this. The most critical thing out of all this. At the end of May, they run out of Coronation Street. They're looking at ways in a way to... Right. It doesn't matter. They're running out of actual real telly to watch. But they just do the stuff you say. Outnumbered. Outnumbered from the 90s on Saturday night's prime time. If you shove Villa vs Crystal Pass on and there's nothing on the game, people will watch it. Right? Because... Okay. Know what you've got to remember, though, with the... What we have to remember here, right, as well, though, if you actually break it down, Villa vs Crystal Palace, no disrespect to those. Villa are a massive club. No disrespect to those two clubs, right? But Villa vs Crystal Palace, with no fans and no jeopardy, means it's essentially a glorified friendly, which means there's no point in the game. There's zero point. It doesn't matter. The biggest thing for them is moving up the league a place for a million quid. And I'm not arguing with it on this. I'm honestly not arguing with you, but I'm just trying not to compromise that they're going to come to. And I think I genuinely... Listen, we all... They just know if it... They just want the season finished, don't they? I personally, I'll just say, I personally don't think they'll play with no relegating. All right. OK. That's fine. And I'm not saying they will or they won't, but I'm just saying that. I could see a situation where they'd rather just get the games finished. And they come to a compromise with the TV stations and the clubs. Like you said, if you don't want relegation, then you are having your rewards of staying in the Premier League. We're going to treat you like you've been relegated or something. So what you're going to get this season is the equivalent of a parachute payment, right? For whoever the bottom three, it finishes as the bottom three. We're going to treat you like you've been relegated and for the next three years, or whatever, you want, you know, you aren't getting the payment. It only really needs to be this year, doesn't it? All right, this year, you aren't getting the payments. And what it is is that's coming out the TV money and the TV money don't have to pay and everyone just gets a little bit less because the TV companies are going to get a little bit less. And all it is, is a way to just finish the season so we can put the dot on the end, the asterisk on Liverpool, and get on with it. And then we can start what we want next season because this is the thing that people are losing sight of. Next season is going to be a shit show as well. Well, I wanted to come on to that. And I'm handily passing it over to you. You've literally just passed the ball over to me. There's a very real prospect at the moment according to medical experts and things like that that next season is going to be closed doors the full season. Obviously, that kicks on to things like gate receipts of reporters losing £50 million or something over the next season. Clubs like Liverpool, Manchester United, but big stadiums, big match day income to talking upwards of £50 million, £60 million, £100 million, I've seen one thing for Arsenal. Those clubs are going to lose that regardless. Do you not think that if that were to happen that if we were to put, if we were to give emergency powers to clubs or the Premier League for a season that we could claw some of that back through how we sell the games for next season? So let's say a club like Everton, right? Everton just say, right? And he say to every season to take it over there. Pails. Pails. I've already paid three months of my season to take it for next season. Right? I'm getting a boss rebate. Right? Let's say Everton get in touch with all of us and say, right, every game is going to be on live. It's a underquid. Right? These games aren't going to be on anywhere else apart from these select ones. Every game is going to be on a underquid. So if that happens everywhere, let's say, and Liverpool cut their cloth and Manchester cut their cloth, do you not think we could claw it back that way? Because for me that makes sense. Because even if it was like Sky went, Premier League went to Sky or went to Amazon or went to whoever and said, right, next season it's an emergency season. Every game has to be televised. Every game the government say to the Premier League, you can have what you want. Card Blanche this year, you can have what you want. Premier League, for one year, we get a chance to just do that. Wasn't Shane Corry Blanche? Not Card, no. One season to just do what we want. And the Premier League are like, ching ching, this could open the doors for new things. So for the clubs, they say to the clubs, right, we want this to be safe. We do not want our product tarnished by someone getting sick or we were the rea... Imagine coronavirus second thing cause of Premier League football. That does not sit well. So the Premier League say every game has got to be live somewhere. It's got to be whether it's paid or free. It's paid because why should we be giving our product away for free? You wouldn't get it in the match for free. So, and we don't want the pubs open either. So we give it to the everyone for whatever the price is, home and away, and that's how you get your gate receipts back. And then clubs might be willing, clubs would have to agree to it then. We wouldn't make the same, would they, obviously, because it depends on what they say to it. I mean, if they give you, that's roughly, you say, like a five of a game, isn't it? And say it's under a quid for half a season. So you're not going in the ground, but you can have every other game for 200 quid. But you're cutting your cloth for the club. Cos the club don't have to employ, obviously, the people they have to employ. You don't have to bring in the outside food. And I know it's a way to do it. It's a way to claw some revenue back. You're not, you're not, but the thing about it is, if you think about it, it's a new season. So if you already know three months in advance, let's say, then you don't have to, you haven't put that into your budget. That's why this season is such a big problem, cos they're losing money, cos you've budgeted for money. But the only issue I see for that is, where's the exclusivity for Sky and BT, who are, and NBC and all of those who pay for the product. Well, the exclusivity comes for us in terms of this country, maybe not abroad. That's the way the shortfall is obviously going to come up. In America, you pay, you can pay for the extra to basically get every game. But in this country, you can't. And that's the thing. Sky and BT only pay for the same amount of games, don't they? So the Premier League are not just going to hand over. For all we know, this might even fall on us. For all we know, the Premier League could go to Amazon before they come to us, as clubs are, sorry, and say, do you want the rights to all the other games? Sky, BT, Amazon, whoever. Do you want the rights? Cos we've got the rights to every game, but we're not giving them away for free. Do you want them? And then they pay for them? Or they could go to the clubs first and say, I don't think they'd want to go to the clubs cos then they don't want the clubs to have their own games live going forward that could start messing up the TV deal. Sky have only got the rights, and BT have only got the rights to, like, say, x amount of games. No, no, it's like it. 150, 160, 70 games, haven't they? So if you're going to have every game, you've got to have to sell those extra games. That money goes back into the clubs. Obviously the contracts abroad are different, but if every game's going to be... got to be shown essentially, cos it has, cos if you don't have a product, otherwise. Especially in the UK, you've got a game and it's behind closed doors and no one can see it. What's the point? What's the point? There'll be anarchy. There'll be anarchy. There'll be anarchy. And plus, we can... we would be able to see those games cos we could just... Get a stream. There's ways to succeed. Get a stream. You may as well sell them. And if everything could package it and go, there's the game, £5.99. You can buy it. It comes on a five to three. And we'll have commentary and it finishes at five o'clock. You'd buy it. I would. If it couldn't go again cos I'm not having to buy me season ticket. Am I? So I'm going to buy that. And if it's a club one as well, then you get in your club angle and you're not... you're getting the interviews and all that kind of thing and you buy into that kind of thing and it's... That's a way... You're right though, the problem is when we get to the end of the season, everyone will be like, that was boss that, cos I can't be doing that all the time. But what they might have to do, they might have to be a trade-off with Premier League, with Sky and say, you know the way the rights were up in 2021, I think, or 2022. But actually you're going to have to give them and you can have another year. A frozen year. A frozen year. We'll have another year and the rights are up next year and we'll give you your normal package. You pay your normal and you get next year at that cost or something like that. Because it's... I mean, just very quickly before we finish. Emergency year isn't it? The season, a full season without fans anything. It's going to be weird, isn't it? I know they're talking about pipe and noisy and I know they're talking about CGI and crowding, but that's for the television perspective, but you're not going to be there. Two things, aye, do you think that'll happen? Do you think it'll be a full season without us being able to go in? And secondly, if it is, do you think it'll damage the game in terms of people just becoming used to not going to match? No, I think number one, if it happens, it happens. If it lasts a year, it lasts a year. Sounds feasible, doesn't it? Yeah, of course it does. Anything's feasible at the moment. Because we don't know where we are. But I think we don't... But definitely not in before. No. You're one footy back and if it comes back in stages, then I think, again, it comes down to the clubs. If the clubs package that retain up, they could do very, very well out of it. That slightly worries me because I know some clubs might take the mic and use it as a way to put prices up because you're going to get this thing back that you've been missing so much. And it'll benefit some clubs more than others. The clubs that attract fans from worldwide. Well, I used to say at first, it doesn't help out. If it comes back and it's like, well, we're only having people from, I don't know, Liverpool can only have people from Liverpool, right? Then you've got a great chance of getting people who've never been the game before. Just get it to you. And then you might get... You open that up to maybe outside the city and then the final stages, you open up to people from abroad. Because you don't... You want to limit the spread as much as you can. I could see it working like that. It'll benefit more than others. But somewhere like Liverpool, they've got a chance now in their owners to go mad with that. But I could definitely see it being a... I could definitely see it being the whole season. They'll just start it with the whole season and then they'll look to go. Be like, be like opening to Tottenham's grab. You know, you start with one thing and you just keep on changing it. And because it is feasible at the minute, because obviously vaccines are not going to be this year and we're not going to be in the stadium this year. So, the earliest were probably... I hope we could be back in, probably January sometime, February. They'd be probably better off just going, we're just going to do behind closed doors for the whole season with the view to come back August 22. No, August 21. What year am I trying? August 21, so basically 18 months on which we'll have lost over a year of this period of goodness and money and things like that. Gives Everton a great chance to get that rail seat and put in? It does. It does. But it gives us a chance to get older this virus and that's the most important. Again, that's the trade-off. Football's got to... Football, if it wants to have credibility, he's got to look for the trade-offs. And protect the people. That's the credibility. Protect the fans. We're giving you your product but in a safe manner and that means you can't come to the match. You've got to understand that. So, just on the second one before we finish. Do you think, can you see people turning away from it because it's been a... No, because I think I don't. Because once it's on the screen, it's when it's not on the screen, that's when you've got to worry about it. That's why they want it back as soon as possible. Because, you know, you want it. Out of sight out of mind. The big thing for next season, this might be a question for another day, is are we all going to be allowed to play at our grants? Next season. See, I think we will. I think we will because if we leave it until... Don't forget, you could purely de-clean the place every grant. But what about people coming? People will turn up at those games. That's the worry. Maybe not two or three games down the line, but it's that opening day. I could just imagine that. Would you go to go to some... I wouldn't, because I'm a... But there's a lot of people who would love to live up and go to Angferth, I don't know. If you couldn't get near it. Oh, it's the police after this. Barrier it. You're going to... But even if they're not at the ground, if people are all in one place, and suddenly you've got a lot of people in one place, this is the issue. But these are realistic things that they have to think about. People gather. But if you thought of it like that. People gather to watch coaches drive up through bricks. If you thought of it like that, that would be... I don't think you'd ever bring it back and sell those are back. Football's got to look after its product and look like it's... They'll come up with a boss Premier League slogan soon for safeguarding the people or something. Well, that's okay, but you just have to be in place. You just have to say... One thing you could say, sorry, and this is for any football club, you hit them where it is. So if you gather at Godderson, or you gather at Amfield, or you gather at Old Trafford, United, Liverpool, Everton, whoever it may be, doesn't play their own grand. Blackout. And then you can't say it. So therefore you're punishing the club, but you're also punishing those people turning up. Diolch. Diolch. Let us know what you thought in the comments on anything we spoke about today. Do you have it? Make sure you subscribe. Give this video a like. I've got more great videos. Join us on Patreon. See you later.