 women, for instance, understand that they grasp it more even when I take them into training and I have them go into certain chances to have the elder women from the old world of Panjia come through. It's easier for them to access these spirits than I've noticed with men because they don't want to get into that feminine place that you have to get to to access that doorway. And so whenever I walk around I always see these male shamans always spouting out all this information but then when I go and listen to them it's very masculine.