 Welcome to the Wickey Tree Challenge. Hi, I'm Mindy Silva. Welcome to the Wickey Tree Challenge Highlights Reel. I have Anna Bartkowski from the American Historical Society of Germans for Russia. I was hoping to have Cheryl Hess, the Wickey Tree Challenge Captain for the week, but she was unavailable today. Cheryl is also the coordinator for the Hess Roots One Name Study Project and the Project Coordinator for both the Portugal Project and for the Wickey Tree Challenge. So, welcome, Anna. Thank you. Thank you so much, Mindy. I'm going to talk a little bit about Wickey Tree first for those viewers that don't know who we are. For those people, our mission is to grow one accurate shared tree that connects us all and is accessible to everyone free forever. It's all about collaboration. There's one profile per person. If you and I share an ancestor, we work on that profile together. It's not that you have your tree and I have my tree. It's all one big global tree and that I mentioned it's free. We just passed that 33 million profile milestone with almost 11 million of those having DNA connections attached to them. What makes Wickey Tree really work is its community and a cornerstone of the community is our Honor Code. Anyone can view profiles on Wickey Tree, but to edit more than close family member profiles, you have to sign the Honor Code. It emphasizes sources, gives credit, courtesy, understanding, accessibility, accuracy, and respecting privacy. Privacy is another aspect of Wickey Tree that makes it special. Even though we're growing a one-world tree and we all collaborate, only close family members can collaborate on modern family profiles. As you go back in time, the privacy controls open up. Collaboration on deep ancestors is between distant cousins who are serious about genealogical research, careful about sources, and willing to see their research validated or invalidated with DNA. So if you aren't a member yet, come and join. It just takes a minute to register as guest member, and you can delete a guest account at any time. Well, we've now completed the sixth Wickey Tree challenge of 2023, and boy, was it a challenging week. Anna says, I know, I know. I've been doing this research a lot longer than some of us. So our history is so unique. And you know, the fact that we started off in the Germanic states before Germany was even a country, there's certainly our records there, but they're not easy to find. And then for years, for many of us my age with Russia, you know, a lot of the records, there was a cold war going on. So the fact that we can even get to some records there is wonderful. And still, it's a lot of going back, just getting that right village and getting in the right place. So our organization has helped people, but we appreciate, you know, in getting records and helping individuals track back. However, it's nice to have a little help along the way. And we're grateful for your help, Mindy. Oh, thank you. You know, that's what we're here for. So we have seven names. We had seven days to find out every one we could with in seven degrees of each of these starting people. So seven degrees means seven steps away in any direction. On WikiTree, we call that account a person CC7. So our starting people were Louis Lucas, John Crest. We added 332 people to his line. Gabriel Lorans and amazing 1057 people were added. Friedrich Eichhorn, we added 589. Frederica Hogue Schlittenhardt, 477. Johan Leonard Stump, we added 425 people. Phillip Reichert, we added 347. And Carl Graber, although he was one of the toughest lines, and I wasn't talking about him before we started, he gained 627 people. And, you know, six of these were born in the Russian Empire with one born in Bavaria, Germany. And, you know, Annie, you know how hard it is to do this research on these people and how important it is, you know, to go out and look at their fans, so their friends, associates, neighbors. And, you know, those peripheral relatives, because you never know what's going to pop up when you start going through those other records. And so that's one of the reasons, you know, we try and build these connections out. So now do you want to tell us how you chose the seven starting people and a little bit more about your organization? Well, we are, our mission is to collect anything and everything that has to do with Germans from Russia, from the culture to the history, to helping secure records so that people can track their families. And when we started, it was kind of tricky when we decided to do this, like, how do we select people? So we reached out on our Facebook page and we basically said, hey, we've got this opportunity, if you've hit a brick wall, you know, send us an email, give us as much as you can. And we must have gotten, I should have pallied it before the call, but we must have gotten it over 25 entries. And we made sure every person that we selected was a member in good standing. And then we tried to select a little bit of different geographic areas, little bits of different, not all from the same village, not all from the same area. So I presented it to our group and got some recommendations. And these were the final seven that we decided that we picked to go through this. And welcome, Mike. I see you're here. Glad you were able to join us. Thanks for inviting me. I may have to leave, but I'll stay here as long as I can. Thank you. I had a misunderstanding. I didn't realize that we, well, we could only invite eight people. And one family has, like, I don't know how many people have sent me emails for the Crest family. So I wasn't certain how, once I found out that we could have eight people, I was a little late, but I apologize. Thank you so much for joining us. Okay, I won't go ahead and we will move on to hear some of our top people during the Challenge Week. And we had Celia Mar. She was our most valuable participant or MVP. She was also the top bounty hunter this week. So she was adding crazy number of profiles. I believe she added more than 230 just on her own. We had Pam Krutzer, who did just some really incredible research, took great notes, and Lucy Sylvagio Diaz, they were also top bounty hunters. And what that is, is we give out special bounty points during the week. So, you know, the points isn't all what it's about, but it's kind of fun to add that little extra motivator and it lets people know how they're doing. So they get points for adding profiles, but they also have little special things they can do along the way. So, you know, like, we pick a brick wall ancestor that's not necessarily your starting brick walls. We pick one off in the branches for each of the seven lines. Midweek. And they get a chance to bust those walls down. And if they do, they get 10 points each for that. We also give bounty points, which are special points to people that make the first connection to the global tree. So they're really highly motivated to connect these people out to the tree so we can see how they're related to everyone. And then finally, for the interesting finds, and some of those you'll find in this presentation, you know, we do a vote on that. I put a survey out on Wednesday and they get a chance to, everyone gets a chance to vote on it, and the top seven from those get bounty points as well. So, you know, my hats off to the people that were able to get high points up in that bounty because they were busy wearing more than one hat during the week. And then, you know, it takes an entire team to collaborate and come up with these outstanding results. And we had more than 38 people participate just in an incredible show of collaboration. And, you know, we keep live chat going in Discord during the week. And so, you know, depending what country people are from, sometimes that just goes around the clock. But it's really fun if you don't know the research. We do have some people that come in and just audit the chat in order to improve their own family research in the future. And they just watch, you know, all of this really interesting conversation go by and see where everybody, you know, is looking for records and if they're having any luck and what family lines are working on. And it's really great. Now, we took a look at all of our starting ancestors and we didn't find any blood relations between them, but we did find connections. And we like to look and see, you know, which ones are the most closely connected. So, Gabriel Lorenz is 17 degrees from Carl Graber and 21 degrees from Phillip Ryker. Friedrich Eichhorn is 23 degrees from Phillip Ryker. And Frederica Hogue is 18 degrees from Gabriel Lorenz and 19 degrees from Carl Graber. So, that was kind of fun. And we play with this connection thing a lot on with the trees. So, we like being able to look at it. We also like to follow along and see who we are the closest to. So, here is the MVP of the week and her connection to Rika Hogue. It shows you the path used to reach her. And you can do this with any two connected people on wiki tree. And, you know, there were four connections where it swapped over by marriage. So, not a blood relation. But that's really not that far off. A notable connection was found in Lorenz branches, via Gabriel's daughter on La Jocelyn. Eugene Fieldkugler was a jack-of-all-trades who owned the Kugler Tire Company in the mid-50s. He's 19 degrees from Ransom Eli Olds. And he's actually an eighth cousin once removed. So, that is a blood relation. Plus, we can see how many steps away he is, whom the Oldsmobile and Ario brands were named for. And 22 degrees from Horace Elgin Dodge, who invented, of course, one of the first all steel cars in America with his brother John Francis Dodge. So, that was just kind of a fun and interesting tie-in. And then another one of the iCorn connections was Gary Neal Boe Steer, who went by Bo. He was born in 1945 and went to Peg Canada, married for 42 years when he died. He was remembered as being an avid skier who traveled around the world to play rugby with the Brits Lions and the twilighters. Now, Bo is just three degrees from Breeder Gaikorn. We love our connections. They're fun. Now, we're going to go through one by one and see our people. So, we're going to start with some interesting finds and connections with Lewis John Kress, aka Lucas Kress. He was born in 1893 in Tullovan, the Russian Empire. He migrated to the United States in 1913, a single farm laborer, bound to Johann Woods. We knew from the start that his parents' names were George Peter Kress and Katharina Wright Kress, and that he possibly had 12 siblings. John McGill, one of our researchers family, appears to be either the grandparent or great-grandparent of Lucas. Additional research was done by Karine Goodman, who looked at the ship manifest as contacted fellow researchers. She believes that the parents were born in the 1860s or 70s. His father was not found in the 1891 to 1905 Norca church books, but she believes that he could have left Vidak for more land in Norca around the 1913 timeframe. So, there are still some records that can be discovered in there, but she definitely had his path tracked. And as you can see, those Kress branches really were filled out nicely. And, you know, just for for other people, we wanted to provide a little more information about Lucas Kress, and we just love to find these interesting things. And, you know, some was provided by the families that you'll see in the slideshow, and some of this was our researchers. He was considered a hero by Conrad Wertz, who wrote, I'm happy that you have finally arrived in America. Since you left, I have thought much and often about you. My cordial greetings to you, your wife and your children. One does not soon forget people like you who have done so many good deeds. Recently, I was in shilling and there was talk of you among people who had gathered together that you would want saved from death. They reminded me that I should write to you and thank you for the love you have shown them, without which they would otherwise no longer be alive. You know well that when you served in the commissariat, the governing body of a Soviet translator, you saved many lives. You also saved livestock for the people, though I had two horses, their harnesses and a carriage taken for me because not all things were within your power to save. Coincidentally, Lucas is only 16 degrees from Samuel Langhorne Clements, Mark Twain, and 17 degrees from Daniel Boone, both considered to be American heroes. And that entire letter is transcribed on a profile that is linked from his. Really great stuff to read. And then we do always seem to find families that had tragedy touch their lives. So here we have Barbara Hagel Ellis, who was the mother-in-law of Gabriel Lorenz's eldest son, Lambert. She had 13 children. She lost her husband, Andrew, aged 45 to heart failure in July of 1944 in North Dakota, and then lost her eldest son, Mark, aged 23 in the Normandy invasion in August of that same year. So you know within just under a month of each other. Next we'll look at some of the lines of Gabriel Lorenz. He was said to be born in 1890 in Odessa Russian Empire, which really was deceiving. His family was from Alsace, Kutschurgen, South Russia. But you know Odessa was used as a generalization of so many of the Black Sea Germans from Russia. His mother may not have been a match to the Black Sea German Jed match project, but the family is definitely connected to the Welder family who settled in Canada. And based on DNA, the mother to Gabriel was said to be born most likely in Alsace. So that would be a good place to finish looking for further records for her. Now when Gabriel arrived in the United States, he used an Anglo-sized version of his name, Gabriel Lorenz. And from his descendant we had his parents' names, Joachim Peter Lorenz and Philomena Welder. And here you can see that it was mostly that Welter line that was built out. And the earliest ancestor found on that particular line, still impressive with the area that is being researched in, was Simon Welter and he was born about 1768. And yeah, Gabriel has an intense amount of notes on his profile. So a lot of notes and a lot of narrative. Really good, great information. And then there is some further information that will be passed along to the descendant. You know, here's just one portion of his profile. So it'll be fun for you guys, I hope, to go out and look at them all and see what's been done by our teams. This part was kind of fun. Now Claire William-Laman, who is seven degrees from Gabriel, is not only a researcher, Paul Smith's paternal 12th cousin, but he also married his maternal 7th cousin, Eslie Cantrell. And Paul might never have known that either of those people existed were not for this challenge. So he was like, wait, he's my 12th cousin. Oh, wait a minute. She's my cousin on my other side. We're all connected, aren't we? We're all connected. It's one big happy family out here. We always say, you know, everybody on Wiffy Tree is our cousin, because you're going to one way or the other, that connection is made blood or marriage. Now here, we can get into, it looks like Mike's portion of the starting people. And this was our third starting person for your guy corn. He was born and died in Constantinopskaya, Russia. His wife, Pauline Lukavich, me, Beowulf Kalski, sorry if I'm butchering that, migrated to Canada in 1906 with her sister, Anna, her adopted brother, Alexander, and her children, Adolf and Agnes. And all of this, of course, was given to us at the start. And there was a lot of research done by our team, but they did not find his parents. And, you know, really on this one, unfortunately, they feel that DNA testing needs to be done to find the closest family members and look for those similar locations. So sorry about that, Mike. You know, and if you ever want help with any of that, trying to do the DNA work or anything else, or tips on it, you can contact us. You know, we do have some DNA experts that would be able to give you some advice on the best way to follow through with that to get some better results. Okay, thank you. Just one correction is that Friedrich's wife was not Pauline. His wife was Annette, who was Pauline's daughter. Oh, okay. Thank you. Now, we have number four starting person was Frederica, who went by Rika, Hogue, Schlittenhardt. She was born about 1876 in an entail in the Russian Empire. She was the daughter of Johann Hogue. And that actually the spelling on that was determined to be H-O-G-K, and Maria Magdalena Kugel, and had siblings Friedrich, Cristiana, Christian, and Sabina. Now, Rika married Johann Schlittenhardt in the Russian Empire before 1897, and they had at least five children all born in the Russian Empire. And, you know, I know one of the questions was she was hoping to know if we could confirm that she died at sea, and that we could not find confirmation on. But you can see here that the Kugel line stretched out to Peter Popp. And this one was exciting. Peter was born in 1574. His son, also Peter Popp, was born about 1599 in Tübingen, and married Barbara Monhuba in 1623. He is the eighth great-grandfather of Friedrika Hogue Schlittenhardt. So, you know, and I have to say I was just so thoroughly impressed with Duyani House. And she was able to get some of these lines so far back in a matter of a week, which just goes incredibly fast. And, you know, this wasn't her only early ancestor found. So I have to, you know, give her an extra accolade there because she did some really incredible work, and that line just kept going on out the door there. Another early ancestor found was Johann Michael Schlittenhardt. And he was a fourth great-grandfather of Friedrika's husband, Johannes John Schlittenhardt. John Michael was born and died in Germany. He married Magdalena Fias in 1800, and he had at least eight children with her. And you can see it actually goes out to Johann Michael's father, Johann Friedrich, who was born about 1739. So considering the records that needed to be searched and how difficult this research is, I think that was rather impressive. But, you know, our researchers do this to me and all the time. Like, every time you think you cannot be any more impressed, then they do some outstanding thing and amaze me. So, you know, the just the caliber of people that are on WikiTree, and they're all donating their time. I mean, everybody's just doing this out of the goodness of their heart and for the fun of it. And so really fun to see. Now, this one was just kind of fun. This was Frieda Wohl Ketterling. And she's seven degrees from Riga Hogue. She survived a tornado that destroyed their farm in 1964. Frieda lived to be 103 years old. So I, is that crazy or what? Can you imagine the story she had to tell? And how many times she had to tell it? Yeah, that too. I want it, I want a relative that's 103. Man, I want to raise. Yeah. And then here was just another fun one, an interesting person we found in the branches. And this was Peter Ketterling. He was born in 1898 in South Dakota, United States. He's five degrees from Riga Hogue. Now, Peter was a farmer and he stood an impressive six feet, nine inches tall. Yeah. Wow. So it makes you wonder how many other tall people were in those descending lines, you know, and they're like, how did my son get that tall? Not knowing. Yeah. You're like, oh, yeah, you got, you got some tall jeans in the family. That's how that happened. Now, fifth here we had was Johann Leonard Stump. He was the only one born in Bavaria, Germany, in a town called, named Kestel. The pre-Volga origin for this surname was Oberaute and Bohnheim. This was all given to us by a descendant. And it was the same information that was found by a researcher that communicated with Dr. Brent Mein. Unfortunately, in this one, the church records or parents were not found for Leonard. Yeah. Not yet. I mean, you can always hope and once again, you know, you work together like this and you get people looking at it from different sides and you leave notes on everything you have found. And, you know, and I know there's also more and more records that they are getting transcribed for some of these areas. So, you know, hopefully in the future of this, they will go further. Now, our team did add or connect 425 people to Leonard Stump's line. And that would have been, would not have been possible without the translations of the Warenberg census records by that Dr. Brent Mein and by Sharon Mitchell White. Now, Dr. Mein is the grandson of Wilhelm Mein, you know, because we couldn't create Dr. Mein's profile and show it, it's because he's living and 23, he's 23 degrees from Leonard Stump. So, that was kind of fun to look at that connection. And then hopefully Sharon White will join Wikitree at some point and we'll connect her family too so we can see if there's any connection there. Yeah. I think our teams just kind of kept going with those, you know, those census records. They were just such an incredible hell. Now, Phillip Reichert was our sixth individual. He was born in Katerine and Stott in the Russian Empire. For a descendant, he was an illegitimate child born to Catherine Elizabeth Heppner. And, you know, I hope we have a descendant that's going to be very excited about this because we were, our team member Pam Krutzer did really extensive Reichert research for that location and determined that the only possible father for him had to have been Heinrich Matthias Reichert. So, this gave Phillip the ancestors three generations out. So, this gave three generations out adding surnames of Bach, Geller, Kalk and Meyer. So, all new exciting names for somebody to research now. Phillip married Barbara Metz on the 3rd of February, 1869 in Shonchen, Russia. They had at least three children all born in Shonchen. Now, Phillip Reichert's son Isidor was the third husband of Agatha Lossinger Reichert. His first wife died when they're youngest and this was just, it was kind of a sad but uplifting story at the same time. You know, Isidor's first wife died when their youngest was just one year old and so all three of his daughters were put in a foster care but two of them, Emma and Mary, moved in with Isidor and his second wife, Agatha and her five children and they were living basically in a dugout that was built like a basement with a cover and a roof over it and this was in 1913. They had two children of their own together bringing the total to nine children in the dugout. I know one account said 11 but we were counting nine on the census record around that time and you know but they also took in others so I'm sure you know making it a blessing when they were able to buy a home in 1919 and you know Anna, this stuff just warms my heart because they were such brave souls with big hearts that obviously care for so many and you know just somebody to look up to, I mean just incredible, just incredible people. Now here we have two people from two completely different directions. We have Aloysius Steinbach. He was married twice. He migrated from Russia to the United States in 1905. His first wife, Elizabeth, Getta Steinbach, died 12 days after giving birth to triplets with one of those triplets dying his infant and then 17 degrees from him and keeping in mind these are all off of those same lines was Joseph Cushman who was born in 1755 in Massachusetts Bay and he was one of two surviving triplets. Joseph's ancestors were in the New England colonies as early as 1621 arriving from England aboard the fortune so you know no matter where they came from or what era they lived and I mean twins and triplets can be a challenge both medically and you know for the family so I don't know it's it's interesting to see though how similar these people can be that came from two totally different backgrounds. Do you have any twins or triplets in your family? My grandmother was a twin. We have a lot of a lot of twins on my mother's side of the family it's crazy. Yeah yeah I can't imagine these people that have like four or five you know at one time I just can't even imagine. Oh it's mind busting. Now here we have three degrees from fart starting person Philip Reichert is Anna Annie Wossinger Ball. She had three young boys aged five six and seven and this was Rob that followed her husband on a short trip to view ice to fill a storehouse in 1906. Now he wasn't aware that the children had even followed him they were just kind of sitting behind him until the youngest to let him know that the brother had fallen through the ice. By the time they got here there the other son had fallen through the ice trying to save his brother and both sons died so I just can't even imagine that kind of tragedy you know this was just something a little bit unique we found while researcher researching and this is a D Raymond Schmidt and he was a Trappist monk in Colorado so he's four degrees from Philip Reichert and I had to do a little bit of reading on that just to find out you know who it was and it actually originated from this Armand Jean Boutier who founded them and looks like 1664 not something you hear very often no and then finally we reached Carl Graeba and he was the son of Carl Graeba and Apollonia couldn't extensive research has been done by more than one descendant and I saw this there is a space page we love our space pages on wiki tree because one of the things it does is if you have extensive notes and research and stuff from other places you can put it on there instead of putting it on their profile and that way when they go to the profile they see the kind of a breakdown of the person's life where they live do they marry who their children are and then if they want to they can go to the space page and look at you know at that additional work that's been done and Carl of course provided proof to be a very difficult ancestor and you know if I remember them talking correctly he was born in a really small village that's no longer in existence how it as it was where he was born and so they tried and they even tried some of the places around it hoping somebody absorbed some of the records and didn't have a whole lot of luck a lot so although you know the earliest ancestor on his direct line is Apollonia's father Michael our researchers added peripheral relatives totaling 627 people so the hope that yeah the hope that the start of a study at his location will help future research researchers find out more about his family and you know that's one of the other things that we really love about these challenges is because we can take these underrepresented areas like this and just you know try and fill out as many people as we can and you know hope that other researchers are going to go researching and go oh wait there's my you know great grandfather's profile on Winky Tree and maybe come in and add some of their own documents and records they have which may have clues to other people in the family so I know 627 I was like they're not going to get anything on Carl because like you know I kept following the conversation and it was just not going anywhere with his ancestors but um yeah 627 peripheral people so and I love this too three degrees from Carl we did find this touching article and and it says the story of the love affair of mrs nonna naker would make a good foundation for a novel she and gotley wasner were sweethearts away back in the 80s when she was a slip of a girl then godly joined the russian army and went away from home he married and emigrated to canada where he's been living for more than 25 years joanna also married the spouses of each having died the sweethearts of long ago have decided to finish the long trail together their marriage will take place soon in steinbach where mr weissner is farming and you know they did marry in 1926 they were both 68 years old right good for them is what i say good for them um thank you i don't know about her origin but i know godly was born in poland he was naturalized in manitoba canada in 1899 so just eight years after he migrated and oh man i love hearing stories like this you know they get to walk off into the sunset together so i really um i really hope they did and you know then whether we support wars or not our veterans gave their all to support and protect our country and because of this we like to acknowledge at least some of them uh lasting six years and one day the second world war started on the first of september 1939 with getlers invasion of poland and ended with the japanese surrender in 1945 and here are a few that served during that time and you know they've touched so many different countries there's never just one country involved in these wars like this we had george louis crests who served in the united states army aloyceus herman haas served in the united states army in world war two earning a purple heart he later became a senior district judge in colorado in the united states lennard anton frolic served in the united states army in world war two as an aircraft mechanic a bomb loader and a turret january sergeant on a b17 he later became an electrician well you know that's what i do go from bombing to electric i guess that's logical right uh mark illis uh brother of gabriel ranz's daughter-in-law served in the u.s army during old war two he was killed in action on the first of august 1944 in the norma di ambasio larence bergam served in the u.s army uh he's eight degrees from gabriel ranz john george ketterling and well i saw that name go by a lot this week ketterlings served as a private in the u.s army towards the end of the world war two brother's private first class laurence kuhn and private first class albert kuhn were both killed in action during world war two laurence was a p o w aborted japanese p o w crater when it was torpedoed and sank late in 1944 about three months later his brother albert was killed in action in the philippines neither body was returned home to kansas but the family did erect a memorial and their honor in their local cemetery um more than 1700 uh prisoner of wars were lost when that freighter sank and um they were four degrees from philippe riker and then brothers milvin ranz and milton ranz served in the u.s army during world war two now on wikitry as i said we're all cousins by blood or marriage and there are currently 29 146 914 cousins connected on wikitry alive or not and while we began our research in germany the russian empire in the united states we also found these locations we had canada russian empire united states england ireland france scotland and then military service in south africa the south china sea and the philippines so you know our our researchers um come from different places and sit from home and research a lot of them but you know they get to travel the world with their their research in a way so if you have any questions about the presentation or wikitry you can find us on facebook twitter or wikitry.com don't forget to click on like and subscribe if you want notifications for future videos and then while the image credits play i like to take a minute to thank all of the incredible wikitrayers that helped with this research for this challenge or week every one of them made a difference and helped us be a success um they found an amazing amount of discoveries it was hard to just pick from the things that they um found and you know they were a really fun group to work with i'd also like to congratulate and thank charol has for leading such a successful week as a captain and and i'd like to thank you too for letting us collaborate with you and put together this amazing challenge i'm just so excited that um you know that we were able to work together on this and come up with what we did well we really appreciate all the effort and time and energy that you and your whole team have put into this i mean it's it's fabulous and you know our ancestry is difficult to track and if nothing else this just keeps us talking about it and and keeps us going so i greatly appreciate you giving us the opportunity and maybe we'll do it again yeah that would be fun huh i don't know if we're doing any repeaters this year but who knows maybe next year we'll find a way to work again this year we're definitely doing our you know community outreach and community connections so yeah uh once again i was just really excited to see that we could do such a specialized area and you know just see what these challenge researchers could could come up with thank you so much we appreciate it i wish we had more for you mike but it's a start at least we put some experts on it yes and i do appreciate all the effort that went into it thank you very much our pleasure mike and you know once again you can reach out to me if you have any questions i think we did have some additional stuff that one of the researchers wanted me to send to you so i'll take care of that as soon as i can and you know we'll let you guys know when this gets posted up on uh youtube wonderful we look forward to sharing it with all the others thank you