 Welcome back to the red man group. This is the second episode of the final convention of the decade In this episode, we're gonna be wrapping up. What it is that we we've gone through since 2010 to 2019 Where we're going in the future. I mean, this is the 85th episode of the red man group the final one You're gonna see during the convention on live I'm looking forward to going through this. We've got a monster panel lined up for you and Towards the end maybe we could slip in a Q&A to my right all the way We've got Alexander, Juan Antonio Cortez Jack Donovan Tanner Guzzi Stefan Mollinio Ivan Throne George Bruno Pat Steadman Phil Foster and Ed Latimore Now there's too many men here for me to go through all their websites and what it is they're offering So Google the name you'll find plenty I want to dive right into this one because we've got a lot of ideas up here a lot of different perspectives And what we're covering is important because it's not about what we're doing today It's about where we're going, but you don't really know where you're going until you know where you're coming from So before we kick this one off I was asking the panel, you know who's been in this space, you know really deep in it from the beginning and we came To the conclusion that it was Jack Donovan. So Jack from 2010 to 2019 What would you say is the biggest evolution you've seen in the in the manosphere this men's movement that we have going on of ours? Well, obviously more infrastructure. I mean, there's more people talking about that Tenor and I were just talking we started seeing the first websites and it was just kind of angry guys who were yeah Just gone through their first divorce and they were like hey something's wrong in the world something's not the way the The mainstream narrative about masculinity and so forth isn't What is real and it's not what's working and it's not what's working in the dating world and all that so forth and But what's really changed is I think Hey with you know the infrastructure and obviously a huge conference That you can come to and people traveling from all around the world going to Poland all that but also the shift towards positivity You know not just like oh, what are the problems in the world? Let's focus on the problems in the world. Let's focus on the problems in the world's let's Do something about it and start something positive And so I think that's that's a really good evolution because as long as you're focused on the problem You're focused on the anti and there's no pro. There's no light to move towards And so that's a really positive evolution of this I like that something that you said one time was you know You can't just be reactionary because all you're doing is echoing the response to them And I know point you creating anything original and actually Tanner if we were talking about that how there was a common theme here Where every speaker came up when they were talking about the need for action You know let's not talk about the theory behind everything, but what can you do with that information? So do you want to talk a little to that? Yeah, I think that's obviously that ties into what we've been doing here But I would say that even ties into what my experience has been I first remember stumbling on to this corner of the internet back in 2009 so I've been involved with it for a little while too and to echo what Jack said there was a lot of yeah There's a lot of resentment. There's a lot of negativity There's a lot of confusion and in the last 10 years we have seen more men taking action You see men not just focusing on here's why life sucks why I've been lied to but it's okay What do I build? How do I make myself better? How do I make myself better? Financially and physically and with my relationships and with my own understanding of who I am in my mindset and everything else and so it is there's now the momentum of building and Doing as opposed to just resenting or theorizing and so it's really cool to see that that momentum is now working for us instead of against us That's awesome. I want to toss it your way Phil so this is This is the final convention of the decade and you've attended the previous 21 con and as you see these movements going and you see You know being able to see the next phase the next year of men coming together What do you see this year that you liked about the convention the speeches that were had you know the content that was delivered? Well the content that was delivered was definitely a lot more positive. I would say this time around definitely centered more on Straightening men on a path of success, you know not Being so much of the the pickup situation as it is to how can I figure out a way to? progress in life and win so What I like about that is it's every facet, you know the single men in here the married men in here the fathers the divorced There's something for everyone It's the total package is not like this cookie-cut caricature We're all trying to live to and that brings you to Pat your first time at 21 con So what was the experience like man? It's very positive Very very positive experience and I think that you know one of the one of the things that I see in the big shift from some of the you know prior content I had seen just in the last year was that we're really moving towards a theme of the sexes win and lose together and You can't have this idea of men and women being oppositional to each other. It's not good for either sex It's not good for society and that men need to build themselves up They need to learn how to become men so that they can have relationships with women And build the future rather than just try to take from the other sex. It's not transactional We're moving towards a higher level of thinking. It's almost like working together. We can win together. That's right You can't I mean society can't exist with men and women against each other and that's a big Big shift game rid of that those those negative messages that was kind of in the trench warfare I think that we're we're transcending past that building a positive vision for the future It's interesting that we've not had this discussion prior to but the Sentiment of just hope and the place to go and seeing the light is being echoed by all so that's that's pretty cool That wasn't planned Stefan another first timer How did you enjoy this? So it was good at the question around sort of the last 10 years 2010 to 2019 I was thinking about that in the first image that came to my mind was an enormous pile of cocaine No, really and and the reason for that. I've never done cocaine, but I'm sure some people you yeah So, you know with from what I've seen in movies like you got a big pile of cocaine And you have like a motel key or a credit card and you what you do you Take it down. You divide the cocaine for some incomprehensible reason, right? So you split the cocaine goes into different things, right? I'll get there. Just just be patient I would already be there if I was on cocaine So cocaine right so you divide right now when you stand for something what happens you divide the world You're not Moses in the Red Sea when you stand for something. What do you gain? You gain great enemies and you gain? Great friends. That's the price for standing for something. It's an old quote from Churchill talking about a younger talking to a young MP in the House of Parliament in The lead up to the Second World War and he said you have enemies good Good, that means you have stood up for something sometime somewhere That's what happens when you stand up for something you get great friends and you get great enemies and the reason I'm talking about this at a men's rights conference. I think it's a specifically male attribute to be more comfortable with being hated in the pursuit of virtue and That's what I see here. I mean, we've all probably been lied about or slanted, you know You can go take a look at my Wikipedia page and it would be something like they write that about Satan and be like now. That's too much man. That's Come on, that's too too much right socialist took it over slanted like crazy and then locked the whole page It's all garbage right but that's a badge of honor because it means that I've stood for something and I've I've annoyed and angered and enraged exactly the right people, you know and so That I think is one of the things I get out of these kinds of conferences is standing with other men and women who've stood up for something and who have divided the world into friends and enemies Into allies and enemies and you know if we're not willing to make enemies We can't really achieve any good. It's like being a doctor and saying well I really want to cure people, but I never want to annoy any illnesses Not gonna work right so I think what comes out of this kind of solidarity is you know It's okay to be hated In fact, it's a good thing to be hated by the right people and you can guide yourself that way So when you stand for things as we all know You will gain your enemies and you will gain your friends and then you gain something called virtue an Identity and a strong effect on the world, which is all worth it Well said and I think that ties in very well with taking action because when you take action You'll you'll find conflict people will stand up against you and then you'll see well Are you willing to take the next action are you willing to continue down that path? Whether it's success and people start saying why are you eating healthier? Why are you working out? What are you obsessed with? No, I'll keep going forward now to tie that into cocaine I think that somehow I'm the party guy The only guy needs a straw for his water You know What he was saying with what Stephen was just saying about having the enemies. I remember last June when Alexander and I spoke with Mike Cernovic up in New York, New York State and I Talked about it on social media and then one of the more liberal friends of mine was like, oh my god I can't believe you speak with Mike. We can't be friends anymore and then I wrote a post about this and I said short of it coming out that like somebody was dittling kids or something I'm gonna do what I said. I'm gonna do and your pressure is not gonna have an effect on me because what type of message would I be sending to the world if I cave because Somebody decided they didn't like what I was sharing the stage with to which I had another person right back today I'm gonna go, you know, it's all good and all well, but I think I'm out too and I'm like, I don't even like I mean, I know who the person is, but I'm like, we don't even talk. I mean, he's gonna let me know Right, but I think that is the biggest change Over the past decade is that we are big enough and we are influential enough and we are Making enough of an impact plus the internet has gotten huge for social media that we have real enemies people who are attacking us Wikipedia on social media shutting down platforms We you know when you when you have that kind of power, you know You can gauge somebody's effect by the quality and a caliber to enemies and you were making good enemies Certainly powerful enemies and that is that comes with a risk, but it's not it's not a real risk I think I think they're all ghosts. I think it's think the paper Tigers in a sense And this is where the real work is done. You know guys come together and get together in person So that's my experience over the past and you're worried about what's changed most is that we really own some radars now And that's uh, that's cool though. Well, that's not like I mean, I don't think anyone's gonna come up and put a few on us, but like you never know and If it gets it at it's crazy, but it probably won't it's just we've got good enemies now And we're making an impact Excellent and George, you're someone who has been a vocal proponent of this convention, you know My first one you're there and it was just Since then it's one of those you've passed on guidance, you know It's mentorship and helped me along the way figure a few things out How have you seen this convention go from what it was when you first became a part to what it is to where you think it's going yeah, I I Risked by saying that I'm I am coming from a place of joy. I'm tired of fighting I want to put my weapons down and live my truth rather than just blab it out and Just because you don't get immediate results From your beliefs or your actions doesn't mean that they're not correct sometimes you have to persevere doing the right thing And if you are mocked By certain people they might be the right people, you know, you're like who said to be hated by the right people I I like that and I never embraced that before they belong to this organization I I don't want to say I feared the people that hated me And it bothered me it used to keep me awake at night now. It's kind of a badge of honor so to speak and I Will continue coming from a place of joy Not from a place of war I want I want to loosen my fists. Some people are young enough to still have the fist Nobody wants to see a 60 year old man fighting with a 28 year old on Twitter You know, it's just ridiculous. I mean a 60 year old man being called a pussy Okay, what like whatever like what can I how can I possibly? Respond to something like that. You're so purple pill like really Come on man I Have seen this organization take a stand for truth. I Have seen Because there has been a what I would call a purge and a house cleaning and Sometimes the house cleans itself. I think I do believe that We all agree on enough stuff to be unified I don't believe we are all in lockstep With every on every topic, but we we have enough in common and that's all we need. There's no real deal breaker There's no real deal breaker here And I don't I feel the same about all of you guys here like you know I know we don't see eye to eye on everything, but I'm so cool with that because we reflect Or I should say our audience reflects us You know my gray hair I thought I was gonna be the geezer of the group and then I started seeing other geezers in the audience And it I'm like wow, what are they doing here, and then I had to look in the mirror and say wow, what am I doing here? So I think it's going in the right direction We are diverse and age race sexuality Status in life, but we all have the same goal and I love it That's all it's you know We call again the gang back together, but every time there's new faces showing up You know new new perspectives that are coming in and during my speech I actually brought up there's no right way to live life So you just own what your path is gonna be and someone that that kind of helped me better understand There's just actually AJ because when I first got my first haper day because I copied his list and put it out And I was like the first time I felt like you fool But I just get like real death threats and I'm like whoa This is Twitter like what and he was the one who's like hey man Here's how you separate that and don't let it bring you down if anything You know use that to build yourself up because now you're sending a message out That's going against the the narrative which is against us so AJ How have you been able to maintain that you've had multiple and it's like you smile more every time it happens I don't consider myself a high-level provocateur I could run with the Joker theme, but I'm not the Joker But that said that in mind I realized Many many years ago when I was in high school There was a certain level of subconscious dissonance between the world as it appeared and the world as it really was And I couldn't tell you what was the right way to go about solving that but I could see that things were wrong And I realized at some point time that comedy or just really satire You know to serve us hit things where it hurt the most where their insecurities were where Where was where what was behind the curtain was hiding if you could hit that you could sort of reveal truth that way And it's not always sophisticated. I wouldn't characterize myself as being very Articulate in doing so a more like a blunt instrument. I'll just strike something and hopefully there's pain there And we'll find out if it hurts it hurts me back. Oh well But you know in doing that if you want to play that role of trying to be a beacon for something Let's say beacon for truth and you're trying to live your life as a man where you actually stand for something You're not captured by the modern world and sucking you dry You're gonna have people that don't like you now you're gonna make enemies You're gonna come into contrast and come to conflict with your friends or family your loved ones Your work that will happen And I think for a long time the man of spear when it kind of started out It was a lot of guys that were very much in the shadows They're sort of like living like the runes of the modern world and they can see that things are on the dating market They can see that things are wrong with what they were taught They've been unsuccessful the women which by definition your unsuccessful life itself and like you know things are wrong But it's very disjointed. It's not cohesive at all And over the last ten years we kind of evolve into some sense of cohesion work Okay, there's like-minded men. There's also people that think like me and this is affirming. It's good And like now you have brotherhood you have camaraderie, but as you come together, you know by default your enemies start grouping up against you You know so like how do you again? How do you handle that you have to not care? Yeah, there's a certain Very very ancient quality to masculinity, which is just not giving a fuck Things bad things are happening that you serve the infamous meme online. You know the house is on fire around you This is fine. Yeah, maybe it is fine because if you're still alive the next day and nothing killed you nothing at you What what's the problem? What's really bothering you? Most things only last for a day a week. I've had mobs come after me for a week straight I hope you die. I hope your whole family gets raped and you don't you die in a fire Then I kill you and get to watch I've had every manner of things from me I'm like this is gonna go away in a week You're gonna go back to playing Xbox. You know forget about it and they all do everybody does because Hate feels good in the moment, but you know in reality we live in a world where nobody actually really wants real conflict You know this doing this is not real conflict. If you really don't like me come fight me. No one's ever taken me up on that You know so you know for yourself like we were having discussion. Yeah, if you're gonna be a man You're gonna say anything especially publicly be prepared to have people not like you But that's also the affirmation that you've made the correct enemies. So good good like learn that's all Can you learn to thrive on that energy? Yeah, maybe I'm pathological. I love negative attention It's just drives me forward that I'm doing something right You're all here. I get to talk to all the gentlemen here and get to interact with people every day where I know I've possibly affected them It's done something for myself. I'm in a virtuous cycle that way, you know from the outside outside outside of your misogynist Hate or Nazi. I'm Jewish by the way, which is funny. You can say all these things The actual reality in concrete fiscal action. It's the exact opposite You are the most efficient therapist there ever was just don't give a fuck. Oh, okay, that's it No, you know, it's it's sort of funny like I got my first hip piece. I think in 2008 and It's funny because it's like you're in a war and there's all these bullets flying at you and you're like Oh, I'm doomed right and then you look down and there's nothing and that's how you find out that you're Superman Kind of being Neo in the Matrix. He's realized just thinking that's all codes. You know, all these things stop You're like, this isn't actually real. I've told control over this I think that plays too to the men here, you know, this this only works because actions taken from those who attend, you know And that's the worst part is when Anthony does great takes great sticking pains to ensure all anonymity is maintained that your everything about you is maintained Unless you want it to become public. He does not a lot. He blurs faces. He protects information There's hotel venue everything he ensures that there's nothing that's gonna happen to you And the problem is when people attack the 21 convention, you're the best product But we're not going to share that at no point did he say to defend my brand I'm gonna throw you on the fire in front of me when the whole world came crashing down against the 21 convention at no point Did you consider? Hey, look at all these testimonials? Hey, I can show you lives that have changed He didn't do that and that says something to yourself as well. It says many men stood up So not only was he looking out for you, but you guys looked out for him I saw many go to his aid and I think there's something to be said about that and that brings it to you We over the years, how have you seen the caliber of men change that have been attending these conventions? I've said a couple of different things on one hand the Growth that I see from the man who come they attend they take part they do the work they make the friendships They got the knowledge it's a it's a beautiful blossoming to see hope and Joy and what the future brings Replace the cynicism and resentment that can be such an easy trap for people to fall into the most important part of that my opinion is Talking about action right actor non-robot, right action. We're all talking about that Cynicism is the little sister of despair. It is a paralytic Cynicism prevents you from taking action. It's not worth it. Nothing real is good cynicism is death now of a masculinity and manhood and and To me it's so It's such a an exponential leap forward The resentment cynicism despair those things are rejected By what the 21 convention stands for we are healthy strong powerful unapologetic That's how you build Empires that's how you build culture. That's how you sustain civilization speaking the truth taking action not wallowing Hurt feelings or fear So every man here that I've seen that come in some of them Repeat attendees. They've been here before some of them are here for the first time and the idea of challenging the narrative is terrifying because it's such an Omnipresent thing and all of our media everywhere They're not giving into cynicism. I'm not paralyzed. They're doing something with it from that Well, what about your feet? When you look at the men the repeat, you know for men who've been here before when you see those guys come in They're looking better. They've lost the weight when you can't help but feel like holy shit We're doing this, you know that like real for real bonds are being forged real changes are being made and like I said again You know if you came here and you spent the time and the money to attend this That's just to get you to the starting point. This isn't the finish line, you know And when you look at guys coming together, I mean, there are a lot of groups popping up There are a lot of men that are for dear friendships outside of this and they're meeting up in between the major conventions You know, I think that's one of the greatest steps we've made in the right direction is You can only sit on Twitter for so long and you can only talk and make YouTube videos and spend six hours a day Talking about what the true red pill is for so long at some point. You've got to go outside At some point you've got to go meet a man and you're sitting near men, you know And those in the live audience those are they're gonna be watching this, you know, you gotta get off the screen and go meet The man, you know, there's nothing there's no greater accountability than having to show up and stand with these men because they're judging Hey, are you better than you were last time? If so Fist bump if not, we got to get to work. How can I help you? And I look forward to seeing more faces heading forward, but that's gonna lead to where we're heading with this So 2020 brings an election season. It brings picking your brain in that one It brings the patriarchs retain will be the chief patriarch. It brings 22 con You know, and it also brings a total closure to what are those we're doing here All the men you saw on this stage all the speeches given all the all the dinners all the meals We've got another one tonight, you know, hang on to that because if this chapter's closing we're moving on to the next I want to toss it your way. I want to give you the the patriarchs. I'll let AJ go with the 22 con So, okay, so 20 or so patriarch patriarchs I'm excited about this idea. And obviously we tested this out this year and it went really well because moving away from the idea of despair or the battle of the sexes and the idea of resentment or these other things and if we really want to be able to build a culture to be able to make it something that's appealing and inviting as opposed to just reactionary You have to have families This can't just be a thing for men. This is not a men's rights thing. This is not a reactionary movement It's not anything else like that. It's an alternative culture To the ugliness that our current culture continues to wallow in and debase itself toward and so the idea of helping men become better fathers helping Helping boys before they ever even get to the point where they get broken helping daughters recognize what good men are and how they can Marry them and start families with them You build civilization by doing that kind of stuff and so I'm I'm genuinely excited that that's the direction in which We're moving that there's optimism I'm excited to see what we're gonna be able to do as far as creating culture with Art and clothing and music and all these other things that we're gonna be able to do Because it's no longer just in the trenches doing the battle I'm gonna get what I need to get and then get out, but it's optimism its future its family its fraternity It's all these other things that actually make this enjoyable and something worth doing And I think an event like patriarchy is a really good jumping-off point for us to do something like that I completely agree and actually before we moved on Phil you're gonna be joining us next paychecks. Aren't you absolutely? You got the the call today that he'll be taking the stage with the rest of us so it's a good one father of a daughter and It's interesting and that kind of segues back to 22 con is rich Graham said in the last red man group He thought there'd be a market for couples to go to this we're both working on each other now We're running 22 con the same time we're running paychecks That means you're gonna have an all-male group on one side all women on the other side How do you see that playing out and do you think that'd be beneficial for couples to go and learn? How do you see it going down? Yeah, I have no idea honestly as to how that will it go down go down. I think there's definitely I Don't want to say a market But there's this oftentimes this vast oversight by not just the man of spirit large that meant large by the men at large that women don't care to learn about men and the realities that women are Fascinated by men and the vast vast vast majority of women wish they understood men better And I've seen this plow in the sort of romantic market the last decade and a half where Women can tell that there's a dearth of authentic masculine men But even when let's say they find them even when they're trying to find one Yeah, they don't know what they're looking for which is one and two They actually don't know how to interact with the man They're bad and they know they are but they don't know what is sort of the right way to go about changing that It's very similar to the men that you know find the red pill. Okay. I've had ineffective Low tension this unsuccessful relationship with women. I've been taking advantage of I like to change that But then you have to rethink what you understand know about women, which is subsequently Rethinking what you know about yourself Reassessing your image of what a man is women kind of have to go through the same process now that said Obviously most women they tend to be more resistant to let's just say self-improvement change You know that a lot of women self-improvement. It's it's your great your princess We could go on about that and it's easy to find about but for those women who really want to try to do that deeper work Where do they go to? You either have to find yeah I guess a woman who's gone through herself or you have to find a man who in In essence sort of takes the place of a father slash big brother figure and they're going to show you the model What a man is and I think 22 con can perhaps sort of fill that space hopefully Yeah, that's my aspiration for it somebody has to you know Also, we've got the 2020 election Stefan, how do you see that impacting? What are this? We're doing and where it is we're going I know they covered it briefly on the last one, but I really want to dive into you know, that's Tensions are going to be high and she's are going to be high and for those of us who are online You got to build up your alternative platforms because it's going to be savage out there in social media It is going to be I mean I've already experienced it this year just would lead up to the Canadian election But it is going to be brutal suppression and censorship out there in social media So, you know build up your alternative platform says bitch you this gab this minds lots other places where you can go Get used to engaging with maybe a more alternative audience because you're going to need a lifeboat or five You know this this coming year because they know they know what got Trump in was Social media, right? I mean was was out mainstream media hated him academia hates him Hollywood hates him You know in TV hates him So the only people who didn't hate him in general other than the people who voted for him were the people in the alternative media so the You know that the Marxist the leftist they didn't spend 50 years infiltrating the mainstream media and academia and Hollywood In order to hand over that hard-won power to social media, so they're going to work very hard to suppress Those voices and so for those on social media get your alternative stuff for those not on social media Or for those who don't have kind of like a show or something well most people are very uncertain most people are very malleable and Most people will conform to the strongest will around them Right, so I think of people like salmon and you're like the current you ever see the salmon in the river The stronger the current the more in line the salmon are now It's good to be right so be right when you're at the current But don't be afraid to flex your power and get people to conform to a stronger correct will it'd be nice if everybody responded to reason and evidence and we could just sit there with our charts and our data and Graphs and all that and have changed people's minds, but that's not the way that people work human beings Do not respond to reason and evidence in this postmodern universe as a whole I got a whole presentation called the death of reason about this on on YouTube for now and So just given that the reality that people aren't going to change their minds based on reason and evidence You have to be very strong willed and you have to just stand the line people will fall in line and will do the right thing They won't know why they're doing the right thing and to them it might feel like conformity But it's kind of like this if you're a doctor and you're in some primitive village where people believe that the ghosts tell them how to get well and so on right and You've got a medicine that's gonna cure some illness, but people think the medicine is poison. What do you do? You say no, no, it's the ghosts who telling you to take it and people are like Oh, okay. So go so telling me to take it. Okay. Well, I'll take it so they get cured So you have to kind of dip into the anti rationality of the world to get things done It's just the reality and those I mean I've made this mistake You'd be the purest on reason and evidence and you just spin your wheels in a mud So recognize where people are be very strong willed once you validated your own prospectus be very strong willed and People will mostly fall in line. There'll be some who'll fight you for a while And they'll some some people who will reject you, but if you're in the right Don't give way an inch Don't give way on anything and you'll be absolutely surprised how many people will just fight you and shrug you and fall right in line Look to give a follow-up your way actually So a lot of the men here are not gonna be in this group But what do you have to say to those who don't think a politics apply to them whatsoever? It doesn't matter There's a I think a majority out there. We're like, ah, whatever. Okay, so He's let us start Hillary Clinton had won we could well be in a significant war by now Right. She was the one who was saying well if we believe that Russia has infiltrated our systems. That's an act of war. I Think she she said Russia. She probably meant CIA, but No, Hillary Clinton Open borders mass amnesty Massive provocations to warm. I mean look what happened in Syria look what happened in Libya under Barack and Hillary Libya was destroyed as a functional state now. There are open-air slave markets massive tribal warlord gangs and it has opened up North Africa to pour millions of Economic refugees so to speak into Europe who you vote for has a massive effect on your life I mean think of the millions of people who have jobs Millions of men who have jobs because of Donald Trump. You remember Barack Obama with the well, there's no magic wand to bring Manufacturing jobs back. We don't know how to do it. It's like well. No, you don't know how to do it That doesn't mean it can't be done, right? So think of all the manufacturing jobs largely going to men men who have a purpose now men who are not going to be tempted by addiction men who can start to found and raise families because Trump got elected and Hillary Clinton did not get elected Trump understands business. He understands how the economy works This is why millions of people have jobs and this is why the Democrats hate it because when you're you know As I said before if you're if you're paying taxes you want taxes to go down if you're on the receiving end You're fine with it, right? So it really does matter, you know There are tens of thousands of men alive literally alive because Trump got elected and they got jobs because a Man without a job is like a woman without love, you know You're just dying in the shadows inside you need a purpose you need you know We are human doings right and human beings is I don't know for toddlers So it really does matter and you got to stand for what is going to grow the economy because if the economy crashes, man the fights that we might have around our living room and the disc The displays of disgust we might have to endure around dessert when people are like, oh you're per this or you're per that man, if we lose Money if we lose the economy if we lose the power grid as you can see like the brownie out of California going right now I mean half of it slipping into third world status. We're gonna look back When we have to pick up a rock cuz our neighbor is hungry We're gonna look back and say man, I should have been a bit more forceful at that family dinner Yes, you don't want that regret. That's really all I gotta say That's well said and your point on banning, you know as someone who has been banned Ivan You know, where where what are you building to make yourself? I guess ban proof from Twitter or whatever social media you're on Someone was upset with my response to Peter finder saying that down Trump should be locked in a cage with a pedophile You know social media is in many ways a hell platform, but it's also essential to the work We do in reaching people So I'm building real life relationships and moving more to telegram groups Doing more Jots with men and those channels because number one, it's more private too. It's a lot more focused than a lot less garbage in it and relegating Twitter to more of a Genre I reach program Platform as opposed to a training and engagement platform. They've been working for me a Bottom line though, we need to win the water culture Because if it's not Twitter, it's something else. It's not your employer. It's your social circle. It's not social media It's a local Bowling and they don't want you there anymore because of XYZ or politics That's just going to get more intense, especially as we move in towards the election If we thought 2016 was bad when nobody believed Trump would wear now they can see him coming and they still can't stop it They're going to be even more angry Now that being said There's no better time to be alive Massive opportunity. I'm having more fun in politics in the last few years than I've ever had in my life and I love politics and Really, you know the thing that struck me Famous general the guy who unified Japan. I won't tell you the whole story, but they had a fun expression for him That's so they were his army March the spring wind below Because it was just such spare just Unbridled just sheer joy of being a human being doing what human beings do being at the apex of what his culture allowed him to do and Infected the entire nation. We're seeing something very similar now That's a coat tail as an example. That's an inspiration. I think we can all use Keep going keep pushing Don't take any prisoners because they won't Speaking of joy Ed You seem to be the guy who can always find a good time, you know, you've got the smile and You're like the most conflictive person to people because they can't put you into a box No, as soon as they say like oh you're in our side like now I'm talking about that Or then you're mixed it all around on them. How have you found these binary extremes? You know, are you seeing more of that? Are you seeing less of it? You forge a new ground am I forging the ground? So so pretty much my whole strategy What Dylan with a lot of this is is what people, you know I really want people to continue to look one way and why they're looking one way and arguing and fighting about one thing I'm on the other side Building up a big following on Twitter now. I G where I can directly send people my mailing list all of that and And I'm not quite sure what I will do with it, but here's what I do know We're here in this event and in person and I'm a bit more pessimistic I think that this country as we know it that that ships out maybe about 20 years ago we'll go 10 and Now all that's left is the individual at some point if you can get and build up a community You know of like mind the first work on yourself and then through extension of people around you And then hopefully Down the line the next order of influences they influence their own little group. That's that's pretty much at least I think here I mean I really think the the combination of capitalism and the ease of because I think capitalism is great I don't want you guys to think I'm bashing capitalism or anything like that What I'm saying is when you align a financial incentive behind a lot of things Then that's what's gonna go that's what's gonna happen and you and you remove Responsibility as well for actions or rather you remove the ability to be you know punished if you make the wrong mistake And that's what we've done. We've combined those two things and I just I think culture is done So what I'm trying to do is Continue to do outreach continue to meet up people. I mean on my own dumb no one sent me I mean I think I went to to seven or eight different cities This year alone just to meet up to have dinner with guys see guys DC Dallas Napa Valley Atlanta Here in Orlando and I think that's what the future is gonna be in person events and just finding like Monday Guys to get around and build up as far as you know, none of those guys trying to attack me man You know, I'm I'm pretty smart. I've been banned one I got to spend it one time and I said, you know what? What's the game plan here? What am I trying to do what am I trying to achieve and now I know how to really play that game and Sit around and so and they can't even attack me I laugh at the guys that have a great emotional control with dealing with them I won't let them ban me because I got a bigger kind of purpose if they come after me you guys are aft man y'all y'all going down I'm a very hard guy and you know, I get like like Plus five defense from you know on the race card always in my belt So they They get me You guys got are in trouble, but I don't think they're gonna they're gonna get me at least not You know what awesome Trump though charges condo, but that's just weren't why am I there? But I know they would try to find a good time because it's a happy person It's easier to convert and grab more people if I can get you on my list You just read some of my writings we talk with me saying yeah, and now I've got influence over you I got far more influence than trying to hit you with the odd the ideas directly I can Slowly wrap myself around you and get get a lot of control that way But Josh is still some of my melons. I'm not doing nothing in cities. Don't don't think I'm my controllers. Just come on in When you explain your strategy, I'm just like I just stop talking. I don't know what you're saying Oh, you have a system inside a system with a subsystem. No, no Well, basically the whole boys get as close to people as possible I mean, I really feel like like he was saying Twitter is a lot of garbage a lot of noise I can get you past that noise and we can start dialogues We can get a guy can get you in my my mailing list where I can go back and forth and just talk with you If I can see people in person and continue to get those people to in person events I think that's the only way you're gonna make change change your mask. That ain't happen It did the mob mentality even if you do have the best idea They're just gonna be too many stupid and there's always gonna be more stupid people by definition And they and groups are in they're undefeated stupidity in a group is undefeated So what you need to do is you need to get as many people as you can in some And just just away from it to get get them a talk I mean so many people if you can just talk to them No, no, they're not all gonna be receptive But if you can just get a conversation going you can do a lot with a conversation and and that's kind of my goal I know pretty much I've accepted that I can't do anything in mass But if I can get somebody on the edge who are who maybe who has the wrong idea But what we do and who we are Then that's a mom we can change, you know, I don't know who was at the patriarch's edition I think it was I think it was tax maybe but he was saying that you know He was someone was arguing what I'm on Twitter and then he you know went and got in the DMs And was talking to mother and I'm selling a guy ticket to come here after he was criticizing the con that's the kind of work I'm very much into if we can do that. We got a we got a chance to salvage a few guys, but but this whole thing Ooh, this house is done That's me You know, I think what 95,000 on Twitter Something like that. All right, so let's just say 95. Yeah, there are some guys out there who are like I'm just the average dude, you know, I they can't relate to a lot of content creators Like I get it, you know, you're building the growing a lot of guys here They're they just work and they want to do events like this They want to meet men and it reminds you of Phil. That's what you do Yeah, you're up here on this panel because of the message that you shared But you just work and I don't even know I don't think you have a blog or anything. I think you just have a Twitter Yeah, I just have the Twitter and I don't I don't write books like that and I Just I enjoyed the company of these gentlemen right here I've actually, you know, seen every one of these guys speak over the last two years and It's my second time coming to the 21 con And I'm kind of like with that, you know, he actually came out to Fort Worth to one of our dinners this year You know what? He was there on his own dime. It was a great. It was a great great evening And I'm under that same preference of you know, face-to-face. It's kind of like gentlemen in my area Like for instance my daughter's she's got a little boyfriend and her dad was like Well, where are you going and I saw I'm going to Orlando and it was kind of like, okay, so I know this guy. He's he's He leans right. He's conservative. He's raising his family right and I said he goes. So what are you doing down there? Is it for work? And I said absolutely not I said, it's a it's a community of men that I've I found through the internet And he goes, so what do you guys talk about and I said? Well, basically it's it's a discussion on how men can improve their lives whether it's through business Relationships society and masculinity and he goes no shit. They actually have something like that and I was like absolutely so I shot him the information for the 21 con and He's actually interested in coming next year. It was pretty it was a pretty interesting discussion like that and I just think that the more that we as Human beings walk away from you know, I don't I don't use Twitter so much to promote things because you know, I don't live off of that but The human connection and speaking to folks and letting them know hey, there are resources really out there and there really is a Space even though you may feel alone To go to These are the guys so like one of the things I've done over the past two days here at the convention is Folks that I've been talking to I've been collecting their contact information You know and I tell them and if you need to talk about anything, let me know I'll do the same with you And I just think that the more we focus on that human interaction and build that network up Based on whatever is going to happen in 2020 as long as we are unified and not divided You know, there's so many men in the man a sphere that are just like cotton the friggin ether right now. They're lost and We need to figure out a way to get these gentlemen Find their way out of that ether and find themselves more towards a message of Positive masculinity so to speak and Physician of being successful and not the what ifs and oh well, this is gonna happen if I try that You know, we need to figure out a way to Pull them out of that ether and I think the takeaway for all here is Make that network because if you get banned off Twitter if you see your content creator get you know knocked out they're not taking your cell phone You can reach out on that level It doesn't have to be through the social networks of somebody else's platform make your own Create your own little tribe, you know get your own together Phil you guys quarterly dinner correct? Absolutely, it was it was actually Ivan's feast of war that he did in Dallas last year Christmas time was a really good time and we all Shared our contact information and we get together quarterly and we're actually meeting next Saturday For dinner and cigars again So and it's and it's it's just carried on ever since that feast of war and it We're grateful for Ivan for even getting that event together because it's a great group of gentlemen Well, you never outgrow the need for the face-to-face stuff I think a lot of times guys get the idea that You know if I get to a certain level if I have enough social media followers or if my business is doing well enough or something else then Then I then I don't need that because I can exist online and it's comfortable to exist online And one of the things I think a lot of guys don't recognize is even for us as speakers For me the biggest benefit of coming to a conference like this is getting to hang out with my friends And it's a recharge for me that face-to-face stuff for us is The biggest advantage to coming and doing this And so even for us to try and build our own in-person tribes our own people that we can rely on our own people that are You know our spouses or our children can rely on because the internet's not going to save us an Online community is just a fledgling community. It has to be person-to-person It has to be face-to-face and so you will never outgrow that I was actually surprised when Craig and I started the fraternity of excellence I thought that chat would be the ho and that's where like all the ideas will be mixed and then Something happened all the guys sort of meeting up in their own little sections because there's more men joined like oh I live down the road from you. Oh, I you know, I'm two hours away from you and now they're all having dinners weekly You know these men are meeting up now. It's weird to say but those are your friends You know and you're no longer confined by proximity and it's it's funny to see how those dots start connecting because now Businesses are being started, you know now now whole new groups are being formed and they're running races and doing things And it runs you about George who was connected me with many men and George you're kind of like the hey I know this guy and this guy you should you two should talk. That's why I made a gym burden me, you know, so How have you you know and this goes back to Phil, you know, you're doing this in person So while you're doing this you're talking to these guys How are you finding a way to inspire others and are you seeing that hunger where they're coming to you like? I'm feeling alone. I'm the only one thinking this and you're like I've got a whole group of men You should meet yeah, I Malcolm Gladwell talked about a type of person and he he labeled them a connector and My I am famous for the question. Who do you need to meet? When I go to networking meetings in Philadelphia in that area when I greet people I always ask them Who do you need to meet and if I know if I can make a personal one-to-one introduction? I'd literally physically bring them over and meet them I do that a lot on LinkedIn as well So I will say to the audience follow me on LinkedIn connect with me Take a look at my contacts if there's anyone there that I can make a personal introduction to I'd be happy to do that So check me out on LinkedIn and the same thing with all the the panel members here but what a high calling it is to connect people and I I do that humbly and I may not have all the answers, but I know a lot of guys I know I have all the answers through my network and I'm not afraid to delegate I'm not afraid to say I don't know but I know someone who does and it's a Few of us have pen names a few guys put yourselves right out there And there's a there's a risk to that because by by doing that and putting yourself there You're exposing yourself to the attack, you know Phil's rocking the hat. We've got tactical soap right here There are companies and there are men and there are people who want to support What are this we're doing? But if you never put yourself out there, they can't if you never hate hey man shake my hand This is what I've got going on like oh wow you never would have known because you never asked and it's on you by attending this You put the burden on yourself because now you're armed with the information and you choose to use it or not a lot of people Don't have the information There are millions of millions of people out there, you know, I thought I was cool when I hit 10,000 followers on Twitter I was like, I'm gonna get recognized somewhere. It's gonna be awesome nope Nobody knows I exist and there's there's something Motivating about that is we've not even scratched the surface But you're another wave of men going through this convention the 18th convention the final convention of 2019 And now you put a little bit more responsibility yourselves to be that that light to be that little lighthouse to help others from crashing on the Shore and not doing so by by aiming of becoming this caricature But by becoming your own men and Pat I'm really glad you're here because you don't give a shit you will say what you feel and what you believe is Right and whether that's the recent one you're like this is gonna piss a lot of guys off and you shared You know how to process emotions and how to deal with things and I was like damn Like it took balls to just say the truth and how you felt knowing the shit storm that was gonna go your way Well, I can't live any other way and you know one of the things I think that No, people are gonna look at this and we're talking about some controversial ideas here But the truth is that this is a deradicalization effort and I see that all the time I mean, I think that that's a major thing going into the next decade because People are psychologically broken out there. Like I work with guys. They're really good guys They don't have father figures. They don't have families in a lot of cases and They've been twisted in multiple different directions taught. They hate themselves And I think it's true on on both sides of the spectrum And I think a lot of the stuff that we're seeing like all the division has so much to do with the fact that People have these internal issues and and they're repressed and they're projecting against other people and What we're doing here is we're we're helping guys to have a way forward We're helping guys that get good with themselves and when they get good with themselves They can start to approach the world from a position of love and respect for other people abundance rather than scarcity, I mean Not everybody on the stage agrees with each other about everything, right? But because we all have good internal sense of selves Like none of us take it personally. We can we can as men we can talk about different things here We can respect each other. We can respect free speech and People who guys who don't have that guys who don't like themselves eventually are like going to be like the Joker Right and they're gonna eat and they're just gonna flip out and they're gonna start doing terrible things And I think that that's one of the big shifts that has been made here And that we have a real positive vision for the future and you know things are gonna happen the way they're gonna happen You know, I don't know. I don't know what the future holds Maybe 2020 is the last American election But we're gonna save as many guys as we can and we're gonna save women too Because when you make guys better when you make guys healthier You also give women Guys that they can they they can bond with and that they can be with because one of the major issues for women I mean living in New York City You know, there's a lot of really good women in New York City. I know it's like against some of the narratives, right? but It's very hard for them to find guys who who have their head straight and have their shit together and We're presenting a positive vision of the future for men and women in society. Whatever happens If everything falls apart We're going to be a stable rock in that storm and even people who hadn't seen our stuff before If and when shit hits the fan There's gonna be a place that they know that we we were ahead of the curve We had some sort of defenses prepared We had a place that people can go to and that's that's what I really feel about about this organization and in the future of this movement Yeah, I truly feel that is the future, you know, and that's kind of our final topic will be hidden on is You know, what does that look like? What are we gonna see? Something like gab actually become productive We're gonna see, you know these platforms that are supposed to representing free speech actually taken off, you know And we started in the beginning over here. So I'll just have us go down this line You know when it comes to social media when it comes to where you see, you know The best use of people or what you think men are gonna start doing, you know, we've got the 21 convention That's cool. What else are we gonna be seen coming down the line? We're gonna see more guys getting into smaller groups. I mean, I know it's back to what I was going to say I feel the same exact way I'm 100% about that the whole take the online network offline So you meet these guys in person and then from there, you know, you know I really vibe with that guy, but I want to vibe and kick it with this dude He's got more of a family, but when you know, when there's a cool guy, we all get together But but in general, you know, I think the most is it's gonna be weird You know, we got this this technology to allow us to reach out to everyone and then doing so we can find the right people And that's how we should probably start using it to find the like minds of the guys that are gonna resonate What we're trying to do and what we think and that's cool. I mean, it works the other way to review hate everything We stand for somehow and you stumbled in this convention. Are you stumbled on the this channel, man? Go go build your tribe of whoever and and work with those people in person But no matter what I think I think people I can't remove said it But but someone was talking about how it seems way worse online that it is in real life And you know, how true is that depends on where you live? but The idea is that you see all this hate and this vitriol spit out on the internet Well, a lot of that gets diffused when you get in person when you have a real solid real life You're just not that angry online. I think that's what we're gonna. We're gonna see regardless Certainly Intentionally on our side if you want to like break it down on our side and hopefully everyone else kind of follow suit and realize His life is a lot better when you have a solid group of people with you in your real life Well, I just wanted to mention as well that The job of thinker is is hate me now. Love me later. Mm-hmm, right? I mean when I say to women, you know, like one of my biggest tweets of the last couple of months was me saying to women you live The 80 But your eggs die at 40 you got 40 years to film and now for some women they're really upset right some but other women are like You know, I ended up with pictures of babies in my inbox, you know people say man You annoyed me like hell at the time But you know you got me so it's like, you know somebody who comes and says hey man You're you're fat now to shape You don't like that person in the moment because you got your illusion and you can you know muscle yourself up in the Mirror and stuff and you put some I don't know schwarzenegger filter on yourself or whatever But the guy who comes up and says you're you know, you're fat now to shape You don't like that person at the moment But you know when you eat better and exercise you're happy later So you just got to be willing to be disliked in the moment doesn't mean the dislike goes on forever You know Jesus himself was hated in his day, you know kind of turned that around after a while So just know that that people who are screaming at you now They don't often circle back. Maybe it's sometimes they do circle back You know because there's pride and all that but you shake people up They get really mad at you and then they go away and they think about it and they may not come back and thank you But I telling you it's there I Think what people need to keep in mind, too Is is the person that's making you angry making you angry every single day without offering a solution or having your best Interest in mine, or they make you angry just to make you angry and that's it Yeah, if you act out of love and this is a really abstract thing like how do you not get banned? Well you you you have to just check yourself and say am I acting out of love for humanity I'm acting out of love of the truth. I'm acting out of love of virtue because if you act out of hatred I mean it's not adding a lot of positive stuff to the world negative stuff But also you're gonna make those strategic missteps that give people an excuse to ban you and if you just check yourself and say Why am I posting this is it because I want to piss people off? It's like this probably not a very good thing to be doing, right? I mean it's not great Maybe occasionally, but you know are you acting out of love like so? I talked to women about 90% of their eggs are dead by the time that 30 not 40 30 right Because I want them to freak out a little bit and if they say hey I don't want to have kids you're gonna problem with that But if they do want to have kids and they get the family gonna freak out at the time They're gonna panic Good, you know, that's good panic. It is anxiety is good because it helps you to change course right so You know knowing that it's if you're acting out of love and care and concern for for people You can handle them being annoyed at you because you know, it's for their they're good in the same way that you confront yourself with those truths being Embracing dislike and not just being a troll but being somebody who's willing to upset people out of love I think that's the biggest shield that that you have going forward Bill Heading into the future What do you see going on what do you see the positive changes or negative that'll be coming our way the evolution of what it is we've built here well I'm more of an optimistic individual So I'm gonna say that it's gonna continue to grow and I believe Similar to Ed there's gonna be more local tribalism. I've experienced that myself through Ivan's event and fraternity of excellence and I Just think that the more the word is spread and maybe not through social media It's maybe gonna take more of Like Stone Age approach. Hey, this is what I do. This is what I'm about more of a One-on-one conversation with with people that you might recognize that are lost or struggling with something, you know As far as social media goes, you know, I really could take it or leave it I really don't spend too much time on it. I mess around on Twitter, but you know in the future. I see it as a Platform for being targeted absolutely and I think you know having any kind of opinion one way or the enough one way or another You put a target on your back, you know, if you support Trump They're gonna come gunning if you support masculinity they're gonna come gunning and I think you you understand when you when you put those in that information out there on social media that And when I put this out there, there's a consequence to it and it's coming And I think all the gentlemen out here that have social media that put stuff out there about that I mean they they they accept that, you know, that risk and Mitigate it when they need to So I just think it's gonna be more of a Tribalistic localized tribalism, you know, that's that's what I'm gonna actually strive for where I live Pat what about you? I Mean I don't think that I think what what's what Stefan was saying was was really on point with this And when you engage on social media You need to be thinking about what your intention is and where you're coming from and I think, you know 2016 election was very triggering for people on both sides of the aisle And I certainly found myself falling into it at certain times getting really just like really like angry and and kind of low in it like going into a low vibration state where you just wanted to fight and I think that that's something that if we want to present a positive vision for the future. We have to Avoid speak the truth like you have to speak the truth but but come at it with the right intention because Most of the people, you know, we were we're dealing with a lot of trolls and a lot of broken and angry people who You know when we say the truth it creates a reflection of themselves and all the bad choices that they've made in their lives and all of the dissonance that they just simply exist in and it creates a massive emotional response for them But for a lot of other people who are going through some things on a lesser level They can see that hey this person isn't out here just to just to fight like you can you can speak truth but the intention isn't truth the intention is to hurt and that turns people off in the middle who are who are very curious right now and so in terms of like where do I think things are going I Don't know. I don't know. I think that there's a couple of different paths that You know the society could take but I know that the more that we speak from a positive message of trying to To get people to remove this dissonance so people can be more honest with themselves people can be happier People can form better relationships with each other The more we do that the more we avoid the really bad situations because there's always going to be some crazy people and we can't like one of the reasons that we Have to stick our necks out and we have to speak from truth and love is that we can't See the conversation the people who have bad intentions We can't do that because everybody else They're gonna hear that and then they're either gonna fall into despair and get disillusioned or they're going to freak out And they're gonna get angry and they're gonna get aggressive and that's exactly what the broken people want They want that the people who hate us up here just having conversations about being better men about building a better society The people that hate that and the people who want to want to create all sorts of labels for us and throw them at us They want people to get hurt They want things to get worse and we don't so I don't know what's gonna end up happening But I know that what we're doing is maximizing the potential options that bad things aren't going to happen. And that's what I think It was very well said And I hope that that didn't fall in deaf ears When you hear somebody speak to that nature and that that authentically I Hope you're paying attention because that's real and that's the blood lies men are actually living So don't just sit and go through, you know, you are the RMG actually listen to what's being said George, where do you see us heading? I like to say that my work is the home of Sanity clarity and reason and that's what I will continue to preach Purify your intentions let your humor be truly humor when you smile and laugh let it be because comedy and humor is Normal and fun and pure don't let your laughter and humor be At someone else's expense There's certain people when you see them laughing that means someone is hurting somewhere and I Feel good about separating myself from people like that as far as the future is concerned Let's sanity rule not emotions I Go back to my stoic roots and say Delay your emotions. Don't deny them. We're not going to be Robots Be pure in your actions. I stirred up a storm when I Did a video on spinning plates? Because I you know, I have one plate and My other well, I have several plates one of them happens to be a woman Another is my reading another is my writing if I If I'm Turn down on date night so to speak it's not like I pick up the phone and call You know Mrs. Plan B miss Plan B and That was a real move of purity for me from a guy who was spending five six seven eight Female plates at all times in my life. So I want it to be more pure. I don't want to be Duplicitous I want to be transparent. I want my yes to mean yes I want my no to mean no and I don't want there to be any ulterior motives as a man with three children and two aging parents I'm very focused on the future. I want to be able to take care of my parents as they're aging I want to be able to take care of my children and Do so with pride and leave a legacy and if that legacy means a huge bank account then that's great and no one will ever make me feel bad for For being or getting rich amassing wealth Taking care of my family. Those are all noble things And I think we need to get back to those noble things rather than conspiracy theories about the opposite sex Which just hold us back entire movements entire movements of men from the moment they wake up in the morning They think about who's trying to screw them that day and I that rubbed me the wrong way I get up and I think about Who's going to bless me today and who can I bless today? That's the place that I'm coming from. That's my future that I'm in control of Ivan The future of the man is fear. What does it look like? Well, I think a couple of things are going to be happening number one Let's talk a little bit earlier about how that narrative has cracked Trump's done something kind of interesting and a father figure kind of way He's shown that you can get the apple card over and you can survive it right there that inexorable Undefeatable quality that the narrative tries to portray itself and shot her That gives everybody the opportunity both for the work that we do and also for everyone out there to do it Grow and not be afraid reach out. We got each other. I got your back. You got my back and That creates a grass roots kind of hope That's the most powerful thing that is that changes nations So what we have to be is competent We have to be as coordinated that we have to be as intelligent wise all of those things. These are all healthy things that I mentioned and I Don't see a limit yet Until things start maybe blowing up, but in the meantime We've got an open road ahead of us. There's no obstacle in it They're all afraid of us We're not afraid of them We see social justice mobs going after us in a daily basis. We signed up for that Doesn't bother me in the least I sleep well at night no matter how many hundreds of thousands of Resentful better angry frightened people say that they hate me so now Think it may have been Ed who said this or someone or Asia If you wouldn't trade your life for that of your hater They're not a hater. They're a confused fan That's very true. So we can make fans of all of them Why settle for less Not going to well said Let's take it all Fun Where do you see the future of this? I don't like the question. I don't like the premise of the question Because it's sort of like how do you think this movie is gonna end? Like you're a passive person in the audience. Where does the future go? It's where a tiny minority of strong-willed people usually men want it to go No, this describing the future like you're not part of it. I think is a misnomer I think it denies us our power If you look back at history, there are maybe 500 men Who've defined it maybe a thousand depends how wide you want to cast the net and we can discard art and stuff like that You know science philosophy politics and so on how many founding fathers were there? 13 that most of them like it's just more than maybe someone could name. Yeah, and and so If you recognize two things number one, you have no idea how powerful you are until you're out there in the world You know, I grew up in a single mom welfare Poor nothing home, right the idea that I grow up to Command an audience of I don't even know how many six hundred and fifty million views and downloads never would have guessed it in a million years You don't know how powerful you are so you step out there and really grab the reins of life and of society The future is not democratic. The future is concentrated willpower focus and courage and There's every single person in this room can change the future. It's not a wild horse We have to tame it's something we control and drive and if you look at the mass of people and and Stupidity of institutions and the ignorance of the masses They'll follow the strong Lead them in the right direction. Obviously be right. Don't lead them in the wrong direction, right? But the future is what we want to make it the future is what we want to make it Don't look at it like a movie that's gonna unfold without your participation get in there and change the damn script because that's what other people want to do and Get in there and fight them and another thing to recognize too is that there are far more people willing to fight with swords than words That's a sad thing in society right you there's a drill there's a war how many people volunteer Thousands hundreds of thousands sometimes the people just volunteer to just go fight some stupid war All the way across the ocean often in the middle of a desert for no good purpose You get tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of people all want to get up there and fight with guns and bombs How many people are willing to step out of the public fray and take the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune to wage a battle not of Swords but of words we are very few in number who are willing to do that and many more people Will sign up at a recruiting office then go on and tell the truth on social media and if we fail if we fail That task of fighting with words not swords. I Don't know man the next war could be it The next big where everyone's so well armed everybody's got so many weapons of mass destruction There's so many terrorists so many biological chemical weapons. There's so many things you can do to the electricity grid There's so many things you can do to the water supply and so on if we fail, you know, we bridge we Barrier between chaos barbarity and civilization man if we fall I Mean the deaths that follow will be to a large degree on us The last thing I'll say is there's like there's three kinds right three kinds of people in the world There are the sheep. There was a sheep dog and there are the wolves most people of the sheep and It's nothing wrong with that division of labor. I got no problem with that. It's perfectly fine. I don't resent it It's the way things are and then there are the wolves who want to take down the sheep But then there's us racing around the flock saying trying to bark off the wolves, right? We never get any thanks from the sheep. They don't even know what the wolves are there until they're out of one jugular It's a bit of a thankless task But the only reason we have the freedom to do it is because there were hell of a lot of brave sheep dogs in the past And it's to their honor that we do our battle. It's a noble battle. It's an unsung battle I mean, this should be a stadium with 50,000 people cheering and Giving us mountains of bitcoins. I don't know That's how it should be but it is a bit of a lonely thankless battle But if you know in your heart what you're winning and achieving for the world Man You're right. There's no better life No, better life and you know, maybe in 50 years or a hundred years. They'll say damn those guys are fantastic There was but not now you just hate it, but it's it's worth it It's worth it for what we save even if we never think and now I have to reframe it Tanner, what are you making the future look like? No, I like that. No, I actually I appreciate that distinction especially because it is it's what we make of it and the problem that we find ourselves in as we have We have more material success than ever and we're in the middle of more cultural decline than almost in any other point and The one distracts us from the other and at some point those two are gonna coincide and and the ruins are gonna collapse and the problem is is Everybody's gonna scatter if we don't have something to go to and Just like Stefan has alluded to you don't have you people aren't just gonna automatically go to Truth, they're not automatically gonna go to one thing that has to be created Right and the problem that I think a lot of us bump into when we do this is we think that I'm Engaging on Twitter or I wrote a really good article or I can engage with reason and logic or something else And that only gets a portion of the population People don't live and die for blog posts. They don't build families because of that awesome Twitter feed They do it for art. They do it for beauty. They do it for the inherent understanding that man is not a beast He is noble and he is the capacity for nobility if we want to succeed We have to reinsert our Capacity for nobility and we have to create a culture that celebrates that and the stark contrast between that innate nobility of man and The ugliness and the dross of what our current cultural decline is teaching us people will flock to that in numbers They're not gonna spread. They're not gonna scatter But we don't do that just by talking rationally about ideas We don't do that just by engaging on social media with words. We have to do even more difficult things We have to create art. We have to create music. We have to create tradition and culture We have to embrace the idea of something bigger and more divine and more powerful than we are and if we don't do that Then we may leave one form of a wreckage, but we just go to another version of it So if we want to win we have to reintroduce nobility make it appealing make it beautiful and make it aspirational Yeah, all right We've been talking a lot about this and I agree with tenor about a lot of things which a lot of people would be surprised about that That would be surprised, but yeah, no Just a few issues that everybody else has talked about that I want to talk about One of the people who come at you there's it maybe two categories of them there are professionals and activists and aspiring professionals and They're playing a game. They don't care about the truth at all. I mean the reporters don't care about the truth They don't they don't care about the truth at all. They're playing a game. They're doing something for hire They're dead people who believe in nothing they're terrible human beings And then there's people who want to be like them and then there's actual activists and those people you're never gonna change their mind You're gonna never gonna influence them in any way and they're playing a game and you're playing game back and forth with them and Then there's all this other negativity that you get which is boredom You know, it's just human weakness and sadness and we've talked to other people who who what successful man sits You know sits in somewhere and he's sitting there making mean comments on the internet No one sits around doing that who's has anything positive going on in their lives These are people who are standing in line at the DMV and They have nothing to do and you you said something I don't disagree with I hate you It's stupid. It's just it's it's it's you can disregard that I Do think you have to be aware of what? People like reporters and activists and all those things. They do have tools that can wreck your life And you have to be aware of that and you have to understand Not only There's the courage of making a stand, but there's also strategy and understanding making smart choices rather than like I'm just gonna say whatever I want to say and I don't care Because there are consequences to everything you say and everything matters and that's why I think you know to build on what you said and Actually a lot of what Pat said as well. I made a choice a while ago that I'm gonna put out You don't see me attacking people At all I'm gonna put out positive messages and positive imagery that inspires people and If you're gonna put anything out into the mass culture That's the way to go There's certain there's work that needs to be done Identifying problems over and over again and someone I would say that's God's work You know someone someone has to do that and God bless them, but it ain't gonna be me I'm gonna you know I've talked about a big problems in my life but I'm also going to talk about what I think is good and what I think is beautiful and Try and represent that to bet the best of my ability and that's the kind of culture. I want to put out there But in terms of where the media and so forth is going That's the great stuff to put out to the mass media to the extent that we have access to it I mean on Instagram and all that kind of stuff you could you could put out you know Hey, I'm you know Working out. I'm getting better. I'm you know Hired photographer to take this great picture You can put out positive images But I also do think we are on the verge of a new Wild West of the internet because all the old Media people built their whole lives around this old media like oh, I'm gonna make my living on YouTube for the rest of my life Well, that's not real You know if you're gonna say anything controversial or you're just gonna go off message. That's not real But there are all these you know other people have mentioned them I've just only started to scratch the surface of looking into them all these alternative You know like blockchain servers and all these different things that people were accessing now That's gonna be the second wave because there was a time on the internet not so very long ago where you could see any damn thing And it was everywhere But and I think that's gonna happen again in a different way and finally You know to wrap up what Ed said and you know, I wrote a book on tribalism I definitely think that you know people are gonna have smaller groups in real life I think the challenge is a lot of people want to put a big Everybody wants to put I'm part of this club And I have a Boy Scout badges and I'm part and go out and I'm for fighting the good fight. Well, that's great But then you're a target I've seen a lot of groups form But yeah, like just guys oh we meet at dinner so and so you know here and there and we we have a network that We're building and to have that network is super important. You really need that But not everything has to be a big public thing because then you have to be ready to take on the role of Hey, you have to be responsible for everyone in your group because one of them is gonna do something stupid You're gonna have to ask for a answer for it somewhere And so you have to be ready for that And if you're not ready for that and you just want to have a group of friends that help you and make you be better Do that but you don't have to have a big name on it Whatever and I think there are tons of guys doing that and I get emails from them And so every so often like I formed a group with my guys I'm like good keep doing that. Yeah, it's awesome But yeah, I definitely think it's gonna be more into you know, they're gonna be a lot of smaller groups Hey, Jay, let's close it out. That is a lot to wrap up Social media is not gonna save you you can only save yourself If you want a better life if you want a better world, you'll have to have a better life You have to create a better life for yourself. I was discussing this with Jack and Tanner last night that beauty has really been lost from culture and and beauty has been lost for men And I mean that sincerely We can talk about heroism. We can talk about men that we look up to we All operate in a culture we can open up devices and see people that we envy and we can play that envy game But we also look for sources of inspiration We also try to meet people that they are living a life that we could model our life on and how do you program minds? How do you really change someone's mind? You do that by being beautiful whether you want to call that being handsome in the masculine sense You want to call it beautiful because that's a feminine word you have to embody beauty You have to be someone where someone can look at you interact with you and speak with you and whether they like you or not Or whether they favor your aesthetic you represent something that is aspirational and it's obvious in how you live Social media these sort of finite games we play that might be Barring something from Stefan, but even the mists of the black plague 1350s 1360s when three people are dying. There's still people having children Even the worst of times in the whole world is falling apart. There's still people having children living their lives trying to build something for the future The reality is that there is no final battle There is no great war that ends all wars and then we are living in utopia There is no point in history where masculinity and patriarchy and femininity Reign together in this perfect harmony perfect balance. That's all romanticization Every period of history has its highlights every period has its low lights. There have been shitty times There have been good times we could go back and chop it up and analyze it endlessly and we can all hope we all hope for violence a lot People hope for violence because it means that all the ideas have been sorted out That's another great point to rough and you I see this all the time in line people wish there was this war They want it. They want right-wing death squads. They want to be staff the Antifa bodies They want that because you know why because they don't have to think about what the ideas were They don't have to do the bowels and do the actual work of what I really believe in what actually creates a society society constructively Let's just fight and whoever left standing. Well, that must be true because it's stronger. Yeah, that's nice to think about But that's not happening. The war that is going to be fought is the war on your mind That's the war that you are going to fight in it's not going to be a physical war that way There might be hot conflicts people might point gloves and punch each other You know the left and right or the right really wishes what we got the guns That's not happening because you're all too comfortable. You still log into Netflix every night. You still use Amazon Prime You still use Uber Eats. You're not getting up off your ass. Nobody is so if you really want to make a difference change your life Change what you represent really write down define and live it out. How you live what you're about What are your God-given values? Do you believe in God? Yes? No actually ask yourself that question That's a great social struggle right now Do we I do I actually believe anything transcendent if you have a belief in transcendent see if you believe that your actions echo into eternity Then be that operate as that and appears that if you don't and you're gonna show up how you're showing up now You already know that gives you that gives you whatever it is you exist as today So, you know the future I don't have an estimation with what the future is the future is you're individual life I can't give you the answers that way. Yeah, we can talk about fractionization Bitcoinization and no tribalism tribalism There's gonna be all these small groups from course there are because that's how things go as institutions fall apart people coalesce again and again That's nothing new. There's nothing novel to that. Yeah, what's novel? What's novel is you? What are you going to do about it? So that's my challenge to you I we can talk all these things be very heady with it I could take this a whole bunch of directions be very niche in who cares. What are you going to do? Yes or no and with that We're bringing the final red man group live 21 convention panel to a close For the decade. We're done gentlemen Thank you for tuning in and I hope each of you take the insights these nine brilliant men shared with you Apply it to your lives and take action because it's not about being a well-read man It's about applying the knowledge that you've learned to improve your life if you're not doing that You're not using the electrons properly. Thank you