 Just yesterday Bengals quarterback coach Dan Pitcher was named as a potential Patriots offensive coordinator higher But today the Bengals have announced they've hired pitcher for that same title another name off the board as the Pats continue their search So it seems now to be down to Nick Kaylee and Zach Robinson both on the Rams staff Robinson is the current quarterback coach and pass game coordinator and has spent five seasons with Sean McVeigh while Kaylee Was once up on the Pats staff and currently serves as the Rams tight end coach Andrew Callahan back here on set your thought on the state of the Patriots offensive coordinator search Quiet a little bit too quiet and not in a good way Not like they're gonna hire everyone tomorrow and we'll have news and new content in that this is Offensively, I think a little bit of a problem and I want to credit Jeff Howe came on my podcast yesterday and said he Spoken with some of the top OC candidates on the market who say that Patriots job is not great And so when you're down to two candidates one of whom has been eight of his nine years into England as far as coaching in the NFL And Nick Kaylee and the other guy who's only been in the league five years in that fell head coach I think that says it all now the search has only officially been open for four or five days here So this is the last one that may have moved on and I would just keep one name in mind And that is Josh McDaniels. Okay, what so this is what I feared and this is I thought they'd have a hard time getting people here Especially out from under McVeigh or one of those programs What if if the Cincinnati Bengals coordinators who don't even call plays are getting head coaching jobs, which the last guy just did Why would pitcher turn that why would he do that to start all over with the rookie quarterback? And what you guys say is the wrist with third worst roster in the NFL for a rookie head coach Who's coaching linebackers for the last four years and you're sort of setting yourself up to fail They're gonna have a hard time if McVeigh is a pipeline and Shanahan's a pipeline and Cincinnati is becoming a pipeline Those guys aren't gonna leave those programs to come here a pipeline to what head coaching, okay? But I don't know if it's been a pipeline the head coaching. It's a pipeline to a look This is why I would leave it's a pipeline to making yourself available for jobs like this to being an offensive coordinator For a franchise where you can actually call plays like Shawn McVeigh. Yeah, you you're on the Shawn McVeigh staff But if you just you're gonna be an assistant there for five he's been there for five years Okay, but we talked about this okay Nobody's calling him for an interview we mentioned as I Andrew Mike McDaniel and now the Callahan again Is it Callahan from Cincinnati? Yeah, yeah, both those guys just got head coaching jobs without being play callers So if that's the ultimate goal is to be a head coach And you can do it by not even being a play caller by just being under the bosom the teat of Shawn McVeigh and Shanahan and these guys does not have teats. That is a fit. I would stay right under that Tea Stay right back. Yeah, you know what I mean? I here's the thing the playcalling thing I think is completely overrated because when you're a head coach you are the principal You're not a teacher you're not organizing You know school plans or game plans or lesson plans you are in charge of the whole building So you're not involved the minutiae and you can get those jobs done as an offensive coordinator as we just saw with Brian Callahan and Mike McDaniel and all these guys by not calling plays I mean Shawn McVeigh was a tight ends coach and then turned offensive coordinator for one year when he goes to the Rams and is now a top five coach in the whole league. So I think for the Patriots They're having a hard time getting the big fish now Maybe they shouldn't have interviewed Shane Waldron who left for Chicago the day after he supposedly interviewed with the Patriots and now Damn pitcher who is playing the market doing his agent a solid getting his name out there But then if you're if you know, you're not gonna hire them because they're not going to come here It tells me that Mayo is either comfortable with something in his back pocket McDaniel's already mentioned or He's there what I think he's doing on defense is picking their brains to learn a little bit more about those systems So you get someone else you run the system for you wish this is true Because alternative is that they're flailing around and that could be it Or all of these guys are McVeigh guys in some form or fashion like you're gonna wind up with the McVeigh guy But it may not be the number one McVeigh guy, right? And at least in the process Gerard gets to go teach me about this like you're gonna come in because I'm gonna ask you for An interview it'll be a two-hour zoom, but I understand this a little bit better at the end of that zoom Then I did before if I just took one McVeigh guy. Let me talk to all of them Let me get all your ideas and angles So them striking out on these offensive coordinators as part of the grand plan got it chess checkers got it It's not chess checkers It's just saying look let's talk about defense for a second and this will come back around Bill last year on the offensive search said I'm gonna pick all these brains I'm gonna interview these guys to potentially be position coaches because I know it's gonna be Bill O'Brien I'll interview him last gain all that until in the meantime. They bring aboard Adrian Clem That was it. I think that's not why he didn't defense It's not why he did with the point is there's a dual perhaps triple purpose here going on I'm not saying this master plan is going to work. I'm not saying may we even know so he's gonna hire But in the meantime, he's gonna make this process work for him and that I think is what's going on here Is there is there a possibility like we were talking about it? Hey, these guys don't want to come here Maybe the Patriots have not made the job attractive enough. It's not attractive So but okay, but let's say it's not attractive because you don't have a quarterback or your quarterback is Mack Jones or Bailey Zappie You got number three pick but something else can make a job attractive. I can tell you what it is Haven't worked in a number of places money Okay, so if you are gonna pay your office of coordinator What do we know how much they're offering the office of coordinator money? Do we know if they're giving these guys a say and who they draft at number three if it's gonna be a quarterback Are they doing any of those things are they making or are they telling these coaches? Hey, if you come here like bill like bill Belichick told Bill O'Brien last year, I'll give you a higher one You can only hire one coach everybody else says so the coaches have to stay to certain things have to be in place So we keep saying hey these guys don't want to come here because the job sucks Maybe they don't want to come here because it hasn't been made more attractive Well, that's part of the pitch right is the money the salary You're never gonna leave an interview without talking salary and that's also partly why and you're gonna love this Why I think McDaniels is a bigger player in this because he's been paid by Vegas his contract would have run for another three That's a guy who comes in be cheaper. I'm not saying that's the case But I don't know Mayo's budget all I know is it half of their candidates who have interviewed already have other jobs Okay, so you're you're serious. You think this is McDaniels again, and they're gonna keep that offense I think when I look at McDaniels and I think look I think Mayo is gonna want to evolve the offense I don't think it's an accident all of these are McVeigh guys who have interviewed But I think when I look at McDaniels and Nick Kaylee and Zach Robinson I don't know how you don't consider McDaniels a favorite based on his experience Which is more than the other two combined by the way the fact he's developed young quarterbacks And he's been here and he wants to be here. Okay, they're not but they're not moving the offense They're not evolving the offense. They're stuck in the last 20 years You can't go to Atlanta because Bill's not gonna be there You only have to come here and this is how I want to run things work with Nick Kaylee We'll tell you all the McVeigh secrets because he's been there for a year We'll bring him back giving him a promotion. You need to change it. Look, this is so wait a minute We have Josh McDaniels run the McVeigh offense instead of McVeigh guy. I'm not saying We're getting really far to speculation here But it's worth bringing up because I think McVeigh or excuse me McVeigh too much Sean Mayo wants to advance us in a way modernize it. We've been talking about this for months Okay, still when Belichick was still here. We had a half a season to go The offense has to be the biggest part of that players know it Assistants know it. How do you move this forward? Well, you just don't install an entirely new Offense with guys you don't even know because who does your odd mayo know in the McVeigh tree? No one except for the guys you just talked to this week Oh, and Nick Kaylee who's really more of a Belichick guy So that's how I think they're going to try to split the difference