 Alright look it's a fact. Poor gut health will destroy your ability to build muscle, burn body fat or even feel good. Gut health has been connected to everything. If you're trying to get fit and healthy, you need to look at your gut. It controls quite a bit. It's connected to quite a bit. Okay so how do we do this? Well there's lots of things you can do but one of the most important is to make sure you maintain good gut bacteria. Good gut bacteria helps offset other bacteria and other funguses. If good bacteria is down, the bad stuff takes over. It's really all about balance. This is where a very good probiotic can make a massive difference. In fact studies show a good probiotic can contribute to increased recovery, better skin, better mood, all kinds of amazing things. Less anxiety, it's quite remarkable. So a good probiotic, this is a very inexpensive investment a lot of you should probably be making. This was never a conversation like 10 years ago in our space. Nobody talked about gut health. I remember distinctly when this was something that I started to pay attention to partly because I had health issues with poor gut health but really it started before that because I had a somebody who was really well versed in functional medicine who worked in my wellness studio and she would always talk about gut health with her clients and I remember kind of being a meathead trainer at the time so it kind of went in one in year out the other but I would see her clients get these great results and they come back and report great results and you know if you're always trying to help your clients eventually you pay attention. So I would talk to her about it and she would explain to me how the gut can become hyperpermeable, you know food particles or proteins can get into your bloodstream, can cause immune reactions, how poor gut health can result in cravings and sleep issues, how the majority of some of these feel good chemicals like serotonin are produced in the gut and so on and I when I heard her say so I was like this is that real and then I look it up and I'm like holy cow this is a legit thing and this was back when probiotics were really only used by people who were like kind of that wellness crunchy you know side. Didn't wear shoes. Yeah exactly and I remember thinking wow this is like a missed opportunity with the like muscle building athletic performance side and look I've seen tremendous differences when my gut health is good versus bad it's for me personally and I can go I can swing pretty pretty extreme it's like eight pounds of lean body mass for me it's about 3% body fat so 3% body fat eight pounds of lean body mass if it's good or bad that's how big of a difference it can make. Meanwhile we're pounding all the protein shakes all like the caffeine of fed your drinks like all these things and then you know medicating every now and then with Pepto and Tums and Alka Seltzer and like there's this weird disassociation completely with like these symptoms that you have and then it's like oh well these over the counter things will help to kind of absolve the the symptoms but then it's like it just keeps perpetuating the problem you have no idea like this is an underlying thing here. So it's funny that we have a seed commercial today because yesterday night I actually didn't use my seed when I always talk about how you know if there's like a Friday cheat meal type of deal that Katrina and I will have it's like we have burgers what I thought it wasn't Friday was Sunday Mother's Day I asked her what do you want to have tonight she goes oh let's have burgers I said okay cool we'll have burgers tonight I normally am good about taking my seed before I do that I didn't you know it trip me out what I actually noticed more than anything I actually was like that night I went to bed okay and I think a lot of that had to do with I was had an empty stomach and so I didn't overdo it too bad but what I noticed in the morning I couldn't get my aura ring off. Oh you're swelling. Yeah I've never so I don't wear rings and so I guess I've never really noticed something like that before and but I went to go to because I charge it when I'm in the shower so I go to pull off I couldn't I couldn't get it off and when we first got them just like a couple weeks ago it was size perfect yes and a little loose and it was like so hard to pull it off and I'm like oh my god I must be super and then I looked at myself in reflection I can see it total on my body but I had never noticed how much even water retention I get in my fingers and stuff like from something like that yeah that's a sign of inflammation some kind of low stiffness right that's another one irritability would be another sign of that but you know when you look at the gut there's this there's always a war going on in your gut I know I'm I know experts are probably rolling their eyes but it's the best explanation I have and you want to think that there's a balance of bacteria in there and if one drops too much what it does is it creates an opportunity for other bacteria opportunist bacteria to take over there are certain bacteria that we know that are good at maintaining balance those are the ones that you find in seed these ones keep all the other stuff in check so when you supplement this on a regular basis let's say your gut is a little off which most of us are just it's just a fact modern life is not conducive to a great healthy gut all the time we're constantly exposed to environmental toxins plastics and chemicals just the stuff you put on your skin your hair you breathe that starts to break down the lining of the gut and we'll get to that in just a second but then also the foods that we eat foods that are heavily processed there's chemicals in the foods as well not necessarily bad but when you start to compile the stuff you start to kind of wear away the the the barrier that the gut provides and you start to create a little inflammation and then the bad bacteria starts to take over a little bit well what seed does is it's like you're you're populating your gut with good soldiers constantly now if you do this once you'll get a little bit of benefit but then those good soldiers go away this is why you take it on a regular basis so you're populating your gut with these good bacteria that keep the bad bacteria in check and create balance that balance allows your body to produce the right amount of catecholamines or serotonin it helps reduce inflammation and then it prevents the breakdown of the gut wall so the gut wall you have those called a mucosa lining if that mucosa lining breaks down then the the the gut is basically exposed to the acids that are in there and the types of things that you eat when that inflammation happens the the the lining itself the cells of the lining start to inflame and you start to create these little gaps this is what makes it permeable right this this is leaky gut syndrome so if you if you if you look at the gut it's this very intelligent again for lack of a better term part of our bodies that knows when to let things in and when not to let things in so it's not like you take you eat a food and it all gets absorbed in one part of your gut there are parts of your gut that take the protein the carbohydrates the fats there's vitamins and minerals they get taken out at particular times so it's just really you know kind of smart system that allows things in when it's supposed to and doesn't allow things when it's not supposed well if that breaks down things get through when they're not supposed to you get a immune response low level and that causes lots of problems over time this can cause big issues where now I have such a strong immune response to this food that I eat all the time because I've had this poor gut health that I used to be able to eat this food now I can't and it's like why all of a sudden I ate this and now I can't what is going on yeah something that provides you nutrients and sustenance now is like a foreign invader yes it's something that and too isn't that the case if like you're super stressed and inflamed and then you're eating so to to be able to kind of calm your heart rate down and you know make sure in that parasympathetic state is is key as well absolutely so all of these things can cause issues in modern life is not conducive to good gut health so it becomes more important to consume you know healthy probiotics and then do other things to kind of maintain good gut health because if you don't your hormones will be thrown I mean literally there's not a single system in your body that doesn't get positively or negatively especially negatively affected by gut health everything that you can think of I mean god they do study they did studies on anxiety and depression literally people with anxiety low level depression they supplement with beneficial bacteria and we see enough of a measure towards significant enough to what's known as the second brain right I mean yeah so you know when we first started the podcast you actually used that we used to talk about this a lot yeah and now we obviously we bring it up when there's a commercial for seed we talk more about it again but we used to talk about it a lot what do you think is like the the the next big breakthrough waiting to happen in that science because it is evolving we're still learning and there's still question around it there's still a lot of skeptical people that don't even think it matters that much like where where are we at with it currently now and what do you foresee is like the next big breakthrough when it comes so they they've come a long way so probiotics have come a long long way where now for example you have a company like seed that has that they they have created a capsule that releases the beneficial bacteria where it's supposed to so that's big and it's stable at room temperature that's huge used to be the only probiotics that had any live bacteria you had to go get refrigerated everything else was kind of a waste type of deal so that was really big I think the next level is going to involve something more specific and tailored to the individual that will be a huge breakthrough that'll be massive in terms of what what it could do but like treating SIBO do you know how far we've come it used to be first of all SIBO wasn't even acknowledged so this is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth then it was treated with antibiotics which was better than nothing but that's got its own problems and then we had studies to show that herbal antimicrobials were as effective in the short term but but more effective long term because they don't just wipe everything out so now people with SIBO they have the option pharmaceutical or herbals that you can get over the counter that work extremely well so that's pretty cool yeah I would imagine it would be around more of the testing so you get that kind of individualization so that way too I wonder I mean I'm sure there's a ton of different strains out there that you know if they could they hand select maybe one that was more beneficial for you in terms of what to combat whatever back through that was a problem I will say this I don't want to speak outside of my lane here but the peptide space is really interesting with this so BPC 157 BP stands stands for body protective compound this is a peptide that accelerates healing wound healing recovery it's been shown to accelerate the mucosal lining healing of the gut reduced gut inflammation athletes have been using it specifically for joint issues so they'll inject it literally into the joint and see healing it's pretty remarkable stuff it's one of the most studied or well known peptides that's out there if you take it orally you can actually take it orally and then it helps it works on the gut there's another peptide called KPV KPV has been shown to have phenomenal results on the gut as well anti-inflammatory anti-microbial and also helping to build the gut mucosa lining the company we work with at mphormones.com is one of the first companies I know of and I've been using this only now for a few days so I can't really remark in terms of its effectiveness yet I got to take it for at least a few weeks I would say they make a capsule it's got KPV and KPV and BPC together together and it's specifically for gut health oh yeah I'm gonna take that it is and then I texted you because KPV specifically has been shown to be helped with psoriasis now would I be better off taking a bigger dose of just KPV or the blended you think I think probably topical I think you could use KPV topically so you might be able to actually rub it on psoriasis really yeah so I would ask the people we work with if they have that now orally you do get a systemic effect yeah but I would assume this is just my assumption that the topical will be more effective specifically for psoriasis but if you take it orally same thing with BPC like I could you can inject into an injury and then it'll heal it faster but there's a systemic effect if you take it orally yeah so I don't know but this the oral capsule one is more for overall healing inflammation and then gut health in particular so I just started that I'll let everybody know that'll be good but it's the first company I know that has combined the two made in a pharmacy you know pharmaceutical lab or whatever so it's not you know research chemical or whatever that's supposed to be pretty good if this if this is it I mean this could be massive because one of the challenges with treating gut health is or working on poor gut health is once you let's say you have SIBO you got the small intestinal bacterial overgrowth and let's say you treat it you kill it you're still left with an inflamed damaged gut yeah so you're like oh I feel better uh-uh now you got to go through the process of healing you can't just go and eat a bunch of stuff anymore still have to be pre restrictive with your diet for a while yeah because you got to let it heal and if you don't what'll end up happening is you'll get SIBO again which is what we see it's like the recurrence rate of SIBO is like 70 so imagine this that these peptides more research comes out there's a lot of anecdotes right now I've talked to tons of people like this is a game changer but imagine this you do your SIBO protocol then you follow it up with a peptide to accelerate the healing so you don't get that reoccurring you know those reoccurring issues so yeah that would be cool I don't know I'll let you guys know uh you already have it then I have it this is day three so I know I have the bbc coming but it was the injectable kind for my quad that's what I wanted to use more specific yeah more specific yeah but now I want to I would ask them for if they have topical kpv for psoriasis to see if you could do that yeah because I read a bunch because obviously I'm gonna go read whatever I'm gonna take right and um the the so you were reading it for that and then you came across the psoriasis thing is that yeah first I was like kpv for gut health bpc for gut health and then I was going and then so what I'll do typically is I'll look up studies I'll look up what the you know what the medical community says then I'll go in forums because I'm like okay I want to hear what people are actually experiencing yeah and the thing that kept sticking out on kpv with psoriasis interesting people were like this is like the best thing I've ever used wow for psoriasis yeah no I'll try it so I'm I'd be excited to see how you yeah yeah respond to something like that yeah I'll try it for sure all right today's giveaway the rgb bundle you can win that for free yes you can but you got to do this leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we drop it subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications if you do all those things and you win we'll let you know in the comment section look we're also running a sale this month maps prime is half off maps prime pro is half off and the bundle that's discounted you can take an additional 50 off if you're interested in any of those just click on the link at the top of the description below all right here comes the show anyway I got to tell the audience uh I mean just full like 100 I'm gonna admit this right now Adam I apologize I'm gonna have to include you in this Justin is easily easily twice as manly as we are I'm so glad it was just us in the room what happened we already knows this we had a random lizard in the studio big ass lizard we took a video on everything I mean yeah it was it was again we're gonna get the container for it Justin's gonna grab his hand run and attack holy shit he's gonna shit probably too that's actually probably the long tail that's probably the biggest lizard I've ever seen I've seen it guanos right that are obviously you mean like natural here in yeah yeah I don't think I've ever seen a a lizard that big running around especially in the city hello hello and he's been eating everything he looks like uh growing his tail super long and uh yeah so it was just like cornered in this part of the studio back here yeah yeah so you guys tell me you dress it up yeah because we it was solid it was right under the tv we were right here no I'm getting my hair cut by vicki that's not what happened what's happening Adam's like holy shit that's a big ass lizard and look and Doug's and all of us were like oh my god right so we're like we run out of the studio waiting for to catch to find something right to throw on top of it right so none of us are gonna get a box what are we gonna do no I'm standing in here to keep watch like make sure it doesn't escape yeah then it starts to run away Doug gets a big plastic box and it goes under some shit and now we're trying to look for it with a flashlight we're using our foot trying to tap it out Justin walks in and he's just with his hand he just bit him though dude and he grounded his body his hand he's like oh that hurts he's biting my my thumb pretty good but you know they dude they're not poisonous like that's all I really care yeah if they're poisonous I'm not fucking with it but what if you had like a weird infection or something what if you like some you could suck it out I don't really think about that yeah I'll stick in your mouth and suck your own poison out bro I got you bro you know we have employees like that yeah Andrew get over here it was literally a good friend why is he's like chewing on Justin's thumb the whole time well Andrew was saying that the boys had seen it in here for a while now huh is the guys that had seen it yeah that was the first I heard of it too they said they saw it like last week yeah I didn't even know I didn't even know anyone had seen it in here we're just oh my that was so random to see something this is funny because it's like a pastime event like at my house you know with my kids and stuff and we'll go to this rock pile that's like outside and and try and corner it like there's a good I don't know maybe like 10 or so that just live under this like pile of rocks and we're just out there just you know make hours of it just like catching these things so that's that's my wheelhouse okay let me ask you this what if it was a tarantula then would you oh I was dude yeah now I'm like you guys okay so funny I'm less we're going worried about tarantula we used to wait a minute you wouldn't grab a transo at your hand bro I used to let them crawl on me no hold on a second all they do all they do is shoot their little hairs at you they don't even do oh yeah it's nothing they got so when they get mad when they get mad their ass goes up in the air and they drop down that's when you know they're gonna they're gonna attack and they they shoot they shoot little tiny hairs at you hold on a second if there's a translate in here right now you just grab it with your hand yeah swear to god yeah we grew up with them dude all over oh my god I'm last they weren't chewing it out at least yeah they're not they're I don't know like smaller spiders like little like black widows or like little spiders but a big trend the bigger the thing is the less I am about it like I know you lumped me into your your lizard thing oh I know what makes you a pussy you don't like scary movies yes there you go I'm trying to feel better about myself you brought me you know I'm like there's gotta be something I can do you used to kill rattlesnakes dude I don't know do not know what my parents are doing we're in fifth sixth grade yeah we're the shovel we used to go no we actually go fishing out at Don Pedro they're all over out there and you'd come across them all the time and we first we'd injure them with a with a boulder right so when we'd hear them and get them in an area and you'd injure with that and the other guy would take his fishing pole and then try and pin its neck or head down the other guy cut it cut its head off wow we used to do that all his kids all the time you see him all the time they'll do over there it's like a normal occurrence and in October it's a trenchless season and so they're everywhere I mean we they'd come in the house you'd give them what you'd see them in the pool in the pool like you'd nice to live off santerisa you get them like crawling across the street all the time our backyard and all that so it was like yeah it was always weird I wouldn't even let October is maybe look it up for me October is like breeding season or something but like in October up there like bro I wouldn't even I wouldn't even let already explain the sandpit the other day because there was some ants in there I was like oh sorry buddy he's all crying I'm like there's ants in there we gotta get rid of the ants I just taught Max friends just taught Max the difference between red and black ants which one like he's like so he knows like red red ones are bad yeah he calls ever like if you're evil but like so it's he says evil yeah no cute they're if they're if they're good they're happy or they're bad guys so it's either everything is either either like so if he sees like a a zombie or something that's like scary he'll always ask me we were watching Peter Pan last night in the pirates are they happy pirates or they bad pirates so that's happy if they're happy they're good you know that's his his definition of what that's good oh what is it Doug yeah so September October does it say why but what they're I thought maybe because they're uh breeding or something around that time I found that you're right spiders tend to mate during the fall months and they're more noticeable in the fall because they had all summer to grow now read up on the thing that I said about how they shoot hairs at you too okay I have heard of that that hurt is that hurt no no no I don't think you really feel it do you even see it and they don't uh no they don't it's there they don't they're like super docile dude you can let them they don't attack they don't try and bite you they don't do nothing like that that's what I'm saying like a little tiny spider I would freak way more out they had those those little like so Everett had I mean we had one of those like lizard guys like uh like a reptile party you know like how they bring like snakes and things for kids to put and so yeah and they brought like a um a tarantula and it just would crawl on them and so Adam's right again so they eject bristles from their abdomens yeah like this they tilt up like this sounds kind of lame though it's not very powerful it's not at all like I don't remember even ever that'd be effective for people yeah yeah don't get near me that's your superpower I've always thought it was interesting that people that like are like they don't bother me whatever but like so into it that you'd want it as a pet I would never want like a a that's so weird yeah a spider for a pet creepy I told you guys about the guy that I used to live with when I was in college had like snakes like big pythons and yeah yeah like he had like a bunch of them in his room and uh one of them always get out and that was the one of course that like slithered across the hall me it's waiting to my bed uh when I got home late at night I had a buddy really oh dude bit my arm what yeah I went in and bit my arm is like the creepiest thing about snakes when they bite you they're like wriggling with it and then oh that's weird we choked it out I was gonna kill it and he runs don't kill my snake dude don't kill my snake what'd you do it's just like through him he's mad at me like you've seen those pranks with someone like a fake snake but they have a wire and they hook it to their friends like back pocket and then while they're running the snakes I had a buddy who I won't let me see okay it was a buddy I'm not gonna say too much because I don't know who uh started he's like went on a date with this girl and she was kind of goth you know he's like I don't know man she's kind of weird you know but she's hot you know or whatever and he's like should I go out with him like yeah dude you know might be good who knows whatever goes back to her place goes back to her place and she had tanks of spiders and snakes in her room no yeah dude no in her room bro just tons of them yeah so anyway that date ended that would weird me out well because he don't like spiders either the guy I'm talking about eight spiders trying to sleep in that place yeah jessica's deathly deathly afraid of spiders where were we where were we in Katrina is Katrina I was as a kid I had to work through that man spiders but which sucks for me because I don't like those things either and so but if you know you gotta be oh yeah yeah no she's like I told you about the time she made me stay outside because it was a big ass spider and I tried to kill in the fell it was in the patio and it was big and got away I hear the freaking sliding glass door slam behind me and I turn around he's locked you out yeah she's like you can't come in until you find it she for sure locked it 100 it's that man yeah I know Katrina's done this before where I like I hit it and then it comes off the wall and then it goes and then I gotta find it before she'll go to bed you ever lie I found it I flushed out she let me see I don't believe you you ever have a jump on you did oh my god oh my god I was like I was uh at the wood pile and I was like loading wood for inside at my parents house and I uncovered this log and there was this huge wolf spider and it was like and I was like what is this and I like kind of stick it pick it up and it jumped literally jumped on your head my head and I smacked it off and I have like the head like PTSD about it for a while it was like the worst case scenario you know between that and then if you walk through a spider web and the spiders on it oh no which has happened to me too so that's happened to me that happened to me in the dairy because you would go turn the lights on hello spiders and yeah and they would overnight you know create a web and then you walk through it and then feel it hey hey how how that must be the funniest thing in the world from an outsider because you don't see a spider web that's my favorite yeah you're walking just losing to shit there has to be a compilation video of people just like walking through spirals yeah yeah just going crazy I would love that I would love to watch that anyway great speaking of of reptiles and weird shit did you guys know there's a specific way this is a random fact Justin will appreciate this if an alligator or crocodile maybe crocodile if it's chasing you on ground first of all it's faster than you and a short sprint do you know that it'll catch the stumpy little legs it'll catch you in a short sprint like a like a 20 foot sprint your dad because it like really jostles hella fast I looked it up tail and kind of whips it forward but there is a way to get away if it's chasing you and you're trying to get away I'd say zigzag that's exactly right yeah if you zigzag it can't turn very well like when somebody's shooting at you you probably want to get a lot of experience pretty good straight you just want to angle it yeah I would actually that's probably the universal strategy to get away from almost anything that could track you down anything that's faster than you're you're better off a bullet a cheetah an alligator anything that's probably zigzag the cheetah you're probably I mean you're still better off zigzag than going straight uh I don't think you're better off doing anything yeah exactly you're better off praying oh no you're probably best off going toward it like like you're big and angry okay maybe I probably that's your only chance with a cheetah yeah this reminds me though so the crocodile I guess like it's still gonna lose but they said like um I don't know a million years ago or something that they uh suspect that used to have really long legs yeah in that it could run like it could run as pray with its big ass like chomping mouth that would be you would be seriously fucked they reach speeds of 25 miles an hour wow see that's a fat that's with those little fat legs no that's actually pretty fast it's faster than me faster than me yeah yeah but I mean wouldn't that don't you think that zigzagging would probably be the universal way to get away from anything that's faster than you uh maybe not killer bees you probably want to run straight you know what I mean you were thinking about that what you would do if you got to I mean what's the move you want to get like a stick or something to just right up its throat you know the way to the way I'm gonna speak we're talking like we're experts we don't tell I guess if an alligator is coming out you got to jump on it hug its head just headlock it is that right it can't open it but then it's going to do the death roll and then it's going to throw you off not in the water I'm sure in the water yeah you're done but you got to stand you ever see the guys catch the alligators yeah yeah yeah you get because if you keep the jaw together they don't have the the strength to open that it's all about the the hinging clothes oh that's interesting so it has incredible closing power but not the biggest force out of any if you turn it upside down that something happens to the brain where they they go limp have you seen that no yeah they'll catch one pet in its belly and they'll flip it upside down and it like goes limp for some reason that's actually fascinating yeah isn't that weird I didn't know that yeah so yeah it says alligators have almost no muscle power when it comes to opening their jaw wow that's fascinating they can close out the harder than almost any other animal you can hold their mouth shut with one hand what yeah that's a good fact to know right there just master alligator the only problem is if you want to try it if you miss and then and then it clamps out of your arm hey there goes your arm wrestling okay uh did you guys see um uh zuckerberg jiu-jitsu oh yeah he did it right one one yeah yeah he did it right he won a tournament yeah bro that's like legit no you know what I mean you can't win a tournament not be good right hey seriously though that would suck did you look at his technique Sal was it he's new i mean for for his belt he's actually what what belt is he he was white okay yeah he was he was new okay so he's real new but hey seriously though i'm not gonna talk shit because i mean he could be a who knows right but he looks like a fucking nerd are you losing to him oh my god yeah like zuckerberg you imagine losing to that guy yeah be all embarrassed yeah i got you i know gotta sleep mera mera i drink like a human yeah i just thought that was impressive i thought a lot actually no all joking aside he i mean was for his rank and stuff he did well dude and he looks like he's fit and strong and i would think that anybody who is going against him actually wants to beat him or punk him so they could say that like oh i beat mark zuckerberg in the jiu-jitsu match we played in uh little league baseball right because he has a little baseball card is that true he went on the ebay he showed you yeah remember he somebody bought it uh like he sold his uh little baseball first when did you bring that up on the show long time ago yeah i don't listen to you a lot of time i'm sorry tell us what you just thought you're my friend uh well hey i would like to see elon musko against him now huh that'd be a nice little i would love that whoever wins gets to get the control battle of the gajillionaires yeah i know anyway oh speaking of animals and stuff do you guys hear what they did in china they always do cool stuff over there huh yeah really cool experiments yeah they go for it you know that's like what did we clone or what did we give like some intelligence to they put uh they put a the an intelligence a human oh my god intelligence gene i was totally kidding into monkeys so trying these researchers did that go wrong they took an intelligent gene like a gene that we've located for intelligence in humans and they put it into monkeys and the monkeys had better short term uh memory and seemed to be able to figure things out better than the other monkeys so i feel like there's a movie yeah there might be a movie that covered you know maybe some of the ideas why what's the goal by the way with that like to to make monkeys like smarter why would they want to well you uh you said you said before the park has a great way of saying it just that science doesn't ask if we should it just ask if we can we can we do it just on top of that is like i guess there's a i don't know exactly where but they're actually developing um ways to bring back neanderthal yeah did you hear about that yeah what why would we do that why why would we do that and then the whole issue is really it's like i think it this was michio kaku brought this up yeah and so he was like the the the one hang up for them is like maybe it's not ethical like what if they and that we're going to put him in a zoo and they're like all like discussing all this i'm like do you know that so when it comes in the andrithals there's a miss there's this uh misunderstanding that they were stupid that they were dumb like we say in the andrithal we don't know anything like well well the truth is that they were probably as intelligent if not more intelligent well they interbreed with us yeah so when you look at the brain cavity and some of the art that they created or tools that they created it seems like they were very intelligent don't they have a larger brain larger brain larger brain now now the the reason why we we killed them or we beat them is because if we mate with an andrithal that offspring can only have children with them with a because of the genetics with a modern human not so we literally beat them through outbreeding them but also because modern humans were better adapted to hunting uh and organizing hunting with the spears and distance whereas the andrithals were shorter stockier stronger probably did more hunting close quarters do they always have those seriously protruding foreheads i mean i think so what does that say right there they were highly intelligent uh able to adapt a wide variety of ecological zones and capable of developing highly functional tools they were smarter a lot of them they i mean they had bigger brains than we do yeah so the theory is that i mean the well we know through genetics is that we just outbred them so we i thought i thought there wasn't a direct correlation with size of brain and intelligence though i thought well this is these are all like obviously they were making tools they spoke language yeah they're related to humans in which case brain size might be correlated to intelligence but yeah you're right because a whale isn't as smart as right right yeah what does it say there Doug no you can see the size of their skull right it's much larger yeah but i mean most people have some or a lot of people have some neanderthal d uh dna in them so we definitely had sex my roommate from college looks like it for sure yeah big ass forehead yeah huge human being your dude you got some yeah some box adventure yeah what'd you guys all do for um other stage you got everyone with their moms what you guys do no i just had a just had a uh you know a couple gifts to jessica and then had a nice couple gifts well one was the the oh did she like her yeah the one she asked so the crystal laser like uh it's like a i don't know what you would call it it's like a block it's a crystal i posted a video of mine on it on my story and again and you you upload a picture it's 3d it's three it's really cool cool it's a little pricey but it's really cool um and then i got her some at-home massage because she really appreciates it and then the whole day was do like whatever she wants and you know kind of pamper her type of day although we did have a conversation she would have preferred if i planned something so next time that's great we did have a conversation yeah conversation it would be more thoughtful to have more of a plan i thought that was a good plan but anyway yeah jim well you came with two gifts that's pretty good bro you know what i you know you got to figure out you got to learn is that you might your language of gift it may not be the same as the other person so i so like i can treat an iron at the same yeah like you like bougie expensive shit yeah yeah she probably likes like handwritten notes and totally yeah no to katrina's words of affirmation and stuff like that for sure so what would you guys do uh we were at her her moms i mean it's pretty traditional for us to be uh all and what happens at their house is all the all the men basically cook clean like take care of the so the girls don't have to do anything right so all the all the wives and moms and everybody uh just to get they get to have champagne and chill and do their thing and then all the guys pretty much when we do because the girls normally coordinate like if we're having like a family party the girls tend to coordinate like what's being served and who's of course so they did none of that yeah they did none of that so let me guess you guys barbecue steak yeah pretty much pretty much yeah yeah slice up some watermelon bro i mean her family because all the air all the guys all bring it you know so the we still had like that's true you guys are good yeah yeah so it was actually really i mean we had kebabs and rib eyes and we had hors d'oeuvres and there was all kinds of cheese and crackers and dips and like yeah so they go they go all out but we did uh we did that just kind of hung out um i did go the night before uh to joe koi which was really interesting for me so you guys know that um i used to run the cannabis club on second street which was across the street from the improv oh yeah that's right so this was like over a decade ago and when i used to do that i became friends with the gm at the time of the improv and so he used to like hook it up and i go there all the time like so and i actually watched joe koi on his come up so he was like a wednesday night i watched him on a mini wednesday night in san jose when there's 20 20 30 people in there he sold out sap i mean sold out and i actually almost didn't go like katrina and i we bought the tickets way in advance for my niece and everything like that i was being a little ball humbug about it i'm like oh man i just want to relax i don't want to go to san francisco and do parking and she's like it's not even in san francisco you dummy it's sap and i'm like oh shit it's right here and i'm like okay i'll go so it's just like so i kind of went in with that attitude of like i've already seen this guy a bunch of times so good so good i was so impressed the least at least the first 30 to 45 minutes of his his deal was all off the cuff working the audience and i he had me within the first five minutes in tears oh wow so good good but i mean talk about what pretty neat to see you know over this guy on how long he's been hustling and then to see at the level that he's at now where he's selling out sap 14 000 people you know to this place i thought wow that was real that's pretty cool my in-laws love him love him just just because dad's girlfriend is really Filipino they love him yeah he's like a royalty yeah i would imagine like you mean i mean who were the like mani pakyao joe koi like you go to the philippines and they're like kings like everybody worshiped him a lot a lot of people in my family so that i've always really liked him i just didn't i didn't know if he was gonna bring new stuff but i didn't he so his thing is claimed is that he does a show and it's the like like if he does like a netflix he's got three different netflix series that he's done after that he retires the jokes some materials done so yeah so he don't go he doesn't i i thought maybe because some guys do that right they have like a special and then you go see acting then they keep repeating yeah then you go see him live and you kind of know the plan it just it says doesn't hit the same when you know you know how the joke is and everything like that and so yeah everything was 100 brand new half of it was off the cuff from the audience like it was awesome yeah it was awesome really good experience what would you guys do jesson yeah so um there's this kind of funny term that was brought up uh in one of our recent podcasts called uh chore play there's a lot of chore play going on this weekend yeah caught up on fix and i don't know like 10 or 12 things uh around the house and like building stuff and and getting things set in eith and everett's room and then downstairs in my room and then our other man cave and then um also just like hanging stuff around but like we originally were going to go to the pinnacles because courtney really likes to go on nature hikes and stuff that's great hiking over there yeah and we were like planning on doing that on mother's day and then ever it wasn't feeling so good and he's like pretty under the weather and so we just kind of decided to to hang out and chill uh and so i made her breakfast and stuff and did the scrambled eggs but i don't cook at all and so i was like i can do breakfast and grilling and that's like that's like my you know capacity for for cooking so she appreciated that but um yeah so i just basically we were doing all the things and and trying to make her as comfortable as possible but she just she's a busy body and was out you know doing chores and stuff with us so but but i tell him yes his dysfunctionals that is or whatever you know that got brought up it's like dude it's all the chores i'll tell you what well you know her love language could be acts of service yeah that's probably what it is so that's so even though he brought that up as like uh you know one of the whatchamacallits like a slight yeah i'm just a joke you know it's kind of funny that guys do that yeah that's what we do yeah but this is like hit home because i like that's like i might go too it's not just like a kind of do it you know it's like it's like okay things are kind of like uh you know do you go around the house breaking things on purpose no i don't know i'm not i'm not level dude the door's broken yeah i just know i gotta be busy and like doing stuff and like taking care of things and then everything's great so that's good so you guys had a good time we had a good time now that's is Courtney Moore uh like you know her love language is she more gifts words affirmation is she serve it acts of service service more and like she really likes um i mean her expression of uh cooking and all that she really pours like like i mean we have we have um uh like herbs and in uh we have all kinds of stuff she grows outside now specifically so it's like like we like she was part of the growing it process and bringing it in to feed us and like we also always did like farm to plate uh like csa stuff and like so her whole thing was always just like the the the most like quality food uh possible and her like preparing it with love and everything and so and it's it's one of those weird things you're just like i taste the difference i feel the difference you know in comparison to like you know somebody else that just puts it together and they're not really into it yeah uh like she goes above and beyond a lot with that stuff and so she's that's very much her she's not so much a touchy feely she's not like i'm totally that guy i was like dude you gotta touch me you gotta hug me yeah you know uh but uh yeah that and just like constantly like telling her you know like most of the time like i acknowledge these things and she wants to hear it from me so so would you say this mother's did you do well or did you get uh did you get corrected like sal did after it i think it was sal could have been better i think i probably could have done uh well i could have you know i i've got her gifts too and like it was very much so this is another thing um like i'm a very good gift giver terrible gift receiver and i know you probably are the same um so i listen to something she says like throughout the year and i'm just like mental note i'll write it down and then i'll usually buy her something and she's like whoa i can't believe you remember i'm like yeah he's you know wrote down um and uh so this wasn't that case i was like she's she grew up she grew up like she says specifically what she wants and then they specifically go get it like it's almost like a laundry list or like a grocery list like here i want this thing and then go get it i'm like it's so boring and like like there's no like where do i come in i'm just basically you're uh you're errand boy you know and so that's how i felt i felt like it's just an errand boy going to get this thing yeah and then i bought it for her and then i get like the flowers and this and and she's like yay all stoked on it and i'm saying yeah so it was more me like i think i was like not that excited about it but she was stoked on it that's how i grew up like you you tell them what you want and then that's what they go they give you give them a list and they get yeah just because like you she's like that's dumb yeah like i could just do that like i'll just go on amazon boom yeah here i make sense i push the button you know that's like oh that means so much more because i push the button that makes sense that makes sense i know it is that makes sense yeah i i've gotten better about so i told you just and i don't know if i sure that was sour but where i'm i'm really good throughout the year of like getting her like gifts that i think of that i think or like i'll have a moment where i'm like oh she needs this or just be great and i'll and i'll just buy it and then i just normally just give it to her no i got two page out of your yeah so so i do that throughout the year what i'm terrible at is like because you know we don't run our calendars right none of us in here right so i'm like so a lot of times she'll like tell me like oh you know three days if someone's those birthday or i'm like oh my god like i didn't i don't know it came up on me so this year what i did i started buying back in like late last year really next year i just when i that happened i'd buy it but then i just leave it i wouldn't let her open it it's sit in the house so i started stacking up boxes so she had like three mothers well that's smart yeah and the the funny part about it was she didn't believe me because she's like what's in the box i'm like oh that's your that's your mother's day gift there's like four months ago that's your mother's day gift what's that box oh that's your birthday gift oh what's that oh that's christmas like so i kept telling her that and she just thought i was smart she thought i was bullshitting her because i was so in advance but then i obviously i couldn't wait for all of them for all of her but so on mother's day basically the day before i let her open one the and then the two days before the day before and then the morning of so she had like that's so smart but it had been sitting there forever and she i was like did you really believe that she's like yeah i really thought that that was you because she's like i've seen you leave box stuff that not open it she goes for a long time she goes i thought it was something for yourself that is so smart because it's the only problem with that is i'm terrible at buying a gift and then not giving it so i get so excited so that's why those really were like see when i told justin this the intent was like that is like was supposed to be mother's day yeah birthday christmas they're all big gifts they're all nice gifts so they all they all should be like a holiday type of gift but i couldn't wait i'm like oh my god i'm gonna wait all until november to give the rest of them but at least you know you got it there like so you're not in a jam but yeah and i'm gonna do it again so like now because i got all the way till november to the birthday you know something will come up between now and then of something that i know that is thoughtful that sure and all three gifts were very thoughtful and cool and she loved all of them yeah i'm like i'm not giving them to her until it's so i mean i remember my answer or what would happen is i would normally have given those away and then oh it's a week before mother's day and then i'm like scrambling to just get something that's not thought out that's and it's and then it comes out that way when she gets it i'm good i'm pretty good at getting gifts i'm not good at like the thoughtful plan like that i have to work on for sure and jessica kills me on that like last father's day i told you guys like i came home and i had all these post-it notes covering the door of the things that my kids love like she actually organized the kids to write down things that they love about me and she was like the whole door was covered and i'm like oh my god and then we had someone come and make dinner for us and it was this wonderful like whole thing so when it comes to that stuff i suck i gotta work on that i'm good at gifts that's what i tend to do you know yeah you gotta speak the other person's language i guess anyway did you guys see the controversy over the netflix uh cleopatra release did you see this no uh so so i believe egypt banned it what kids you know cleopatra right she was in egypt like she was one of their like what are the queens yeah so they banned it because who directed it was it will smith's wife i think it was will smith's wife cheetah i believe so maybe dud can find out for us but she she made cleopatra of african origin okay now there's lots and lots of historical reference to cleopatra so this is actually quite accurate they know that cleopatra was of uh macadonia she was greek ancestry she had greek features because they went and tried to i guess make this thing that she was african the egyptians are like this is not accurate and they totally banned the whole thing so it's this huge controversy interesting because it wasn't a fictional kid it's one thing if it's a fictional character yeah like disney will do this a lot with a little change of character whatever people get up in arms but it's like well it's a fictional character it's fictional this is a historical person so it's like abraham lincoln you know is you know chinese or whatever right no that's not that's not accurate like i told you guys like kengis khan was played by john wane slap they did that so where do you guys where do you guys draw the line on the you know this the virtue signalling of this stuff that goes on like where is it for you like you just brought up something i think it's an interesting point like it's like okay it's a fictional character so who cares if they change sure the race ethnicity of some but of a fictional character like that and but then with someone like this who historically is of a certain race to not make them that is like okay that's kind of or they go out of their way to make it so it wasn't they literally made it out of the way to say that she's of african origin who is it was it jada no she was the narrator the director was tina garravi okay but jada was involved in it yes okay um i think first off it becomes too obvious when a company takes like a story that's already popular in media and then changes things to make it more it seems like virtue signaling i watch so i watch peter pan this week with my son and felt exactly that yeah if like every character like tinker bell it changed tinker bell peter pan lost boys got like they literally like inserted so much of it it was just like it seems obvious yes yeah and so that i get that but again fictional characters whatever but when you take a real historical person and you go out of your way to change it then then that seems that doesn't seem that seems stupid yeah and clio patra like i said there's lots of story it historically inaccurate yeah and i mean there's lots of like records on her and that was just inaccurate so that's where it's kind of like interesting yeah i feel like it'd be better received in like the us but i can understand that egypt very protective of their historical and there's like i mean a lot of the history there was definitely a huge african influence i mean egypt's right there right but you know you're talking about a historical figure like that's like well documented like patrice i could get it but egypt went as far as to ban it yeah which is like that's and i'm assuming they openly said why too yeah so that's how you know that yeah i wonder how much that'll even affect the sales and and the what oh i think it's tanking i think i really got one star yeah whoa yeah well again i think you know what happens is when you try too hard yeah to to go in a particular direction then you ruin you ruin the fact that it might be a good story might be so i so i feel that way even about fictional characters my thought on that yeah look at the shit audience one percent from the audience 13 percent you got the lowest audience score ever wow that's crazy yeah wow i don't think i've ever seen something score that bad no i don't like can you get lower than one well peter pan got pretty bad too what did show me peter pan because i think peter pan i felt did the same thing for me um so because peter pan's story has already been told i have a problem with it if it's a brand new story go for do whatever you want totally you know i'm saying like create something new uh and you know have that in mind right because then it's authentic you're writing into it that was the same thing with willow as well and i i literally watched one episode and was like i'm out yeah it's just too much um of all different categories like smashed into one they're trying yeah they're trying to look if i'm a part of the creation of fictional stories and they and i'm in the room and they're like i'm gonna say okay there's things that we're gonna do that can make this not make people not want to watch it and one of those things is if we if it looks like we're trying too hard to insert you know new topics or political motives or whatever that's just gonna hurt the sales but again at the end of the day they're either gonna sell tickets or not so they'll get the they'll get the market response but when it comes to like real people in history you got to be accurate unless you're you're making it a musical or making it something that's an adaptation and you know this is not really but if they're depicted because they're trying to depict it as like historical yeah like this is historical this is what we're watching right now is what happened with cleopatra in that case it's like okay now i could totally see that yeah and that's why they got such a bad rating yeah it was from that so i thought that was uh that was a thing anyway down the down the rabbit hole of historical stuff on media i went down the rabbit hole of how mussels became popular in media do you know one of the first characters that people considered muscular pop i no well he was a cartoon uh tarzan dug look up the original tarzan i want you guys to look at this guy and tell me if you think he's muscular or everybody everybody talked about how fit and muscular he was uh and this was in the 1940s you can switch the tv dugs i think and then yeah i'm on that right now that scars guard guy like did it recently i know like courtney sisters in love with him okay well you know oh yeah show a picture of him as tarzan so every everybody talked about how fit and like muscular and i mean look at that picture in the upper middle dug that's the one that everybody uses he was a high level swimmer um so that's he looks like what uh year was that i want to say it was in 1950s or 40s so tom bill you and uh derrick from more plates more dates had a conversation around this that i thought was uh a clip that's going around right now that i think is an interesting point that he brings up because tom was asking about people like failing to achieve like this the physical that the pursuit that they wanted with that and he made the case of like how distorted that's become because of and i agree it's just like so that's what i'm pointing out yeah this is an example of like that was like super muscular yeah that's a fit healthy obviously high performing athlete because he was a high level swimmer yeah today if you put him anywhere on any media or movie not a single person would comment on his physique he looks like a dad bod yeah that's what they would say yeah but it started to progress from there to where then you had the mussel beach movies which made fun of bodybuilders so mussel beach movies had bodybuilders but they were not depicted as being cool they were like dum-dums yeah like dum-dums and you know meat heads and super into their bodies like narcissistic and flexing in front of mirrors yeah but then it progressed from there and really it was it wasn't until the 80s so the 70s didn't even show super muscular people they showed manly people like you know like like harry chest and like what's that guy's name hurt reynolds yeah like some guys like that right but they didn't even they look like normal fit like just it was the 80s where it went ape shit when you had you know that was obviously the movies we grew up watching well pumping art would you was not was pumping art not the main that was a documentary in the 70s but that was like the main introduction of like real muscular guys that was the first time bodybuilders were not depicted as idiots because you had arnold who was charismatic and smart and that was the first time people one of the reasons why pumping aren't crushed actually the reason was arnold yeah because you're like this is a bodybuilder look how smart he is and how charismatic he is so that kind of broke that that whole thing but it was the 80s 80s action movies yeah action movies you get the predator which i was actually talking with my kids about and like they're all hyped now at the age where they're way more interested in like some of those kind of manlier action movies and so we started with conan which was kind of meh uh i'm going to show them predator but what we did was we watched over the week when we watched 300 and it was like dude and you should have seen like i was just i was watching them half the time just to see like how they're reacting they're like you know like getting into it and i'm like dude like there's none of these movies left because that's so toxic or whatever like dude they like nothing really has come close to capturing like what a badass like warrior movie uh you know can stimulate in a young boy like that like that's the thing like they don't have an example that anymore we've we've like i don't know man i watched john we've cleared yeah john wick but i mean that's just like it's there's no moral to that story you know i'm saying he just shoots everybody heart with him yeah braveheart was another good one yeah and that but that's the thing they're defending their their home and and they're and they're doing like the utmost respect that's why they have respect for women and it's like like just that portrayal with his dynamic with his wife you know 300 well i thought was like really cool did you know that line she tells them i think i hope i'm not wrong because i'm gonna get hammered that line she says um uh come back with your shield or on your shield yeah i believe if i'm not mistaken i'm gonna get hammered if i'm wrong that and one of the branches of the greek military that it says that mm-hmm like on your like with your shield or on your shield yeah i think classic saying they tried to be accurate in terms of uh like some of the events obviously it's like fully you know weird comic book distorted yeah it was made off of uh but yeah they did account for most of the events pretty accurately yeah yeah the spartan um the way that they waged war and stuff really fascinating if you watch their strategies and stuff watching them as a unit yeah that's the thing other thing it's like watching like men work together a couple quotes or famous quotes that they apparently did say like the one about uh you know we'll fight in the shade i think if i'm not mistaken that's a historical yeah i think great line again i might be wrong again we get some great lines some greek people yeah this well it says this come back with your shield or on it is an ancient greek phrase damn according to now i i do want to say i want to say this dude like you could be going off to do this very terrible scary thing this is just i'm going to be very generalized here as a man you're going to go off and you're like i'm probably i might die but i'm doing this for my family and if your wife says that to you she'll probably increase your odds of surviving because oh i think so if you hear that from your own wife confidence don't come back you know you either come back dead or a lot you know confidence purpose right there you gotta go anyway yeah don't make me all sad i'm fucking scared yeah scared help me yeah i want to feel strong honey pump me up dude you hide don't get killed whatever you're gonna kill like 500 guys yeah bring back five heads okay honey i'll go do that anyway um so we we're supposed to mention paleo valley i'll tell you what man probably one of the most accurate quotes on any supplement ever said my entire life was that was how the their bone broth chocolate or the vanilla is the best thing you sold them out because of that so like it's 100 the best tasting protein powder you ever had in your life i told you i had it right did you just in the back yeah i found it and i i took it back with vanilla or chocolate chocolate so was that right or was it really good isn't it crazy it doesn't taste like protein powder yes like milkshakey yeah it tastes like like you blended up a chocolate donut with some milk that's what it tasted like i he i was walking in the back when he was doing it i was like oh you've had it i was like he's like bro i was not bullshitting it's actually you guys are like normally i'm skeptical when you say stuff like that so you know how you are with all the supplements so good right no that's what that just i haven't had it still so i don't make shakes here so i know it's like i'm terrible like everybody's like waiting for to hear my opinion on it but i'm i know you know i'm a dude dude next time we have a mention for them i'm gonna blend some up and have you taste it on air because adam's face cannot lie when he doesn't like to taste something even if there's money on line you'll see his face if he likes it or not so he'll be like no i'll taste it i just i literally do not take shakes here i don't drink i do you know how i drink my shakes if i drink shakes it's at night time i don't shake enemas because you want direct stupid because i have to you know who we should shout out we already shouted out adam lane smith's instagram and stuff but let's talk about his book you're reading his book right now yeah no i'm going through his book right now it's called uh slaying your fear so great great read i'm about halfway through it right now and um like most all his content i'm such a huge fan of his stuff i know it's uh we tend to get excited about somebody who we like we have i've only been following him for a short period of time maybe the last year and the deeper i go in his stuff the more and more like his content you guys will have an episode of him coming out pretty soon here so looking forward to that all right check this out there's a company called organifi that makes organic supplements for wellness health and athletic performance they have a pre 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lifter and a runner i've kind of transitioned over the years to just trying to be uh healthy and strong and functional and be more mobile and i've kind of been helping some people do that um we live in pretty low income area and a lot of people struggle with understanding it and how to apply it and they a lot of people think that it needs to be hard and it doesn't have to be hard to be consistent um but i've used a lot of your information and your programming to be able to help people i mean i've modified several different programs from maps anabolic to split uh my youngest son is currently on maps power lifter right now and by the way uh he goes he has one week left in that and as of this morning his bench press is up like 15 or 20 pounds wow it's pretty significant you know and he's not and he's a he's a pretty strong kid to start with so anyway um the biggest question that i had is um finally convinced my wife to strength train by by getting her to listen to you guys a little bit and then she started seeing some other women that were showing some some progress in the strength training spectrum and um we started maps anabolic in um july of 2022 um he she does have some mobility issues she has a hip that may at some point have to have some surgery done on it they've not decided for sure on that yet and so i've modified a lot of stuff i've taken her squats from a back squat to like a Bulgarian split squat with a little more limited mobility um some um and then also some air squats to get depth and things like that but just try to work on mobility over the past over the first three month spectrum of that program and i guess it was 12 weeks total including the pre-phase she saw i mean mobility change outrageously i mean she was just so excited one day she was able to bend over and i mean i squat down and pick something off the floor without bending over i mean it was just a huge huge huge difference and by sticking to that program i did kind of tried to go with what you guys said um don't take anything away um she's a little bit of a bigger woman to start with um hopefully she doesn't know any to the cross here on this deal but she started right around 257 um she's about five six um over the course of about three months she didn't see any weight loss at all but what we did see is about a 23 inch total body composition change she lost about eight inches in her waist she lost about an inch and a half each one of her legs lost half an inch in her arms things like that so she was like okay let's keep going so we kept going we're our third time through um anabolic we just finished it up and at this point things are starting to slow a little bit um we're starting to see we're still seeing a slight bit of weight loss her her weight has actually came down about 10 pounds now um and the composition change is definitely there she looks more athletic she looks stronger she is getting significantly stronger when we started with the uh dumbbell bench presses and stuff and when we're talking like 10 pounds was pretty rough on her uh last week she did the 40s for four sets of eight holy cow you know so yeah i mean it's a pretty significant change um her mobility is just out of the charts i just am to the point though where we've had her caloric intake i pushed it up a little bit to start with to kind of reverse diet her a little bit uh minimum of 150 grams protein a day um as much as possible from real food and then supplementing with the pre-work i'm not pre-work i'm sorry a protein shake to uh if we don't hit those goals and she was at about 2200 to 2400 calories a day um with that she was still dropping inches but now we're to the point where we were just looking at do we continue with anabolic do we start trying to change things up we started split four weeks ago um we will finish week four of split this Saturday but i didn't know if that was the right course to take at this point do we continue with anabolic do we go with split do i try to work in something like symmetry or just not sure what how to move forward James really first off fantastic job yeah you're going in the right direction i mean if she lost that many inches and she has strength gains like you said of like four times stronger on a dumbbell chest press you're in the goldilocks part yeah she has built a significant amount of muscle and burned a significant amount of body fat for people watching right now thinking how's this how's that possible is that her weight doesn't go down but she loses size body fat takes up roughly a quarter more space per pound than muscle so when you lose 10 pounds of body fat gain 10 pounds of muscle you're going to lose about a quarter of your size roughly maybe a little less on your body so that's what's happening and what's happened now is you've set yourself up very well for a calorie cut because now her metabolism is probably in a healthier place and now you can cut and she's not going to get this crazy metabolic adaptation like she might have in the beginning and she'll get leaner as far as programming is concerned the importance with the programming is really just what's appropriate for her body to continue her progress to keep her improving mobility to keep her in a healthy place the best way to go after anabolic is maps performance symmetry would be good as well either program would be great if you don't have performance i'll send that over to you because that's that's ideally the direction you want to go especially if you've done anabolic a couple times yeah in a row now i do want to comment on the mobility thing i want to say this just for the audience um and even for you the key to mobility is strength people think it's flexibility people it's not its strength now what what that means is not necessarily you can lift more weight but rather you have strength in larger ranges of motion you have enough strength to where your body doesn't get tight to try to protect itself so when someone starts working out and if they do it right they're going to see significant improvements in mobility and that's what she did even though she did a non-mobility program like maps anabolic which is very you know uh you know sagittal plane or whatever you know very straightforward kind of strength exercises she saw a great improvement in uh in her mobility but yeah i think you can do a cut now with her i could drop her 400 500 calories probably mostly from carbs is what i would do and then i would go mass performance or map symmetry and again if you don't have performance we'll send that to you that would be perfect so i want i want to comment on that because you do have you do have some options here i actually think um and what matters is where her mindset is on where i would take her if she was a client in a perfect world i'm actually going to stay the course nutritionally and i'm going to switch up her programming and maybe even consider increasing calories a little bit in a perfect world and that's and what i mean by a perfect world is that she trusts me um she's happy with what she's seeing she knows the long game she knows what we're trying to do and we're just going to stay in this kind of goldilocks you know phase where we're at where we're just you know dropping body fat you know slowly we're increasing muscle slowly it's a beautiful exchange we're slowly speeding up the metabolism we're getting better in mobility and stronger like if she's in a really good sweet now where it's difficult for some clients is that they want to see that scale go down they've been putting all this hard work in for so long and so if if she's at this kind of breaking point mentally where she's frustrated you've done a good enough job now building her metabolism up that you can do exactly what sal said to show her some change like to show her some scale movement right you could cut 500 calories out maybe increase a little bit of movement and then in addition to that switcher program and she's going to drop some weight for sure but you're what you're going to have to do is you're going to have to go back to reverse dieting again sooner or later she's not going to drop her full you know 70 80 100 pounds that she may want to lose all from just a 500 calorie deficit what will end up happening is you'll show her a nice little drop and then eventually her body will start to adapt to that new caloric maintenance and then she'll be at a new plateau again versus just keep on this process of let's just keep slowly adding more calories and building muscle until i get you maybe to a place where you look at me you're like honey i can't eat anymore you've got me eating 2800 calories all i think of all i'm doing is eating all day long now i want to go that's where i that's where i want to take a client is i want to keep pushing the calories till they get to that point and then when i reverse them or when i cut them they're in a place where they're like content they're losing weight and we have more room to drop even more if i want to continue the weight loss so you really kind of have those two different options and how i decide that is kind of the mindset of where she is at if she's motivated focused inspired trust the process that you're in right now i actually like the idea of continuing to add calories and continue to build the muscle because you're you've got good momentum in that direction but if i feel like my client's getting so discouraged that she's not sure i know what i'm doing or whatever and i'm like okay let me show you i've had these conversations when they're at this point they go i can drop you weight right now you've already got it at a good place i can show you that really quick but that's not the end of the journey right and we can't just keep going that direction of cut cut cut because then you're gonna be down to 1200 calories and miserable six months from now and still not at your final goal so you do kind of have a couple options right here on on how you you go after this and and either neither one is right or wrong yeah and as you switch the stimulus up you'll probably still be able to keep you know on that path of like being able to exchange and body fat and build muscle just because the novel stimulus of it so i like that you're moving already in that direction obviously like i think performs is probably a really good match for that just to consider joint health and what sell said in terms of like you know it's strengthening and supporting around the joints so that way now when she progresses even more to other programs maybe she wants to get in power lift maybe she wants to get in you know to our other programs like she's going to have that sort of base support really supporting her dreams where's it where's she at mentally you know adam came up with said a really good point where do you think she's at is she okay with you know what she's doing or is she really like i want to see some some movement on the scale well she's definitely in that i need to see some movement on the scale phase you know it's kind of one of those things to work physically at one point she said here take the scale get rid of it i don't want to see it so or i would have her way backwards or have her way to where she couldn't see it so that i can be in control of kind of how we're moving and what we're scaling and to stop focusing because that's what i tried to tell her over and over again is is that listen you know you've just said because i'll ask you the same sense of questions that you guys asked how is your mobility do you feel like do you feel better are you moving more do you see your strength increasing and it's yes yes yes yes but this one factor is the one that you know that controls that mind so much from what society and things have done okay and that well james there's two things you could do with that one one thing that i used to do with clients in that situation is i would do i would record body fat percentage because then i could show them weight loss in terms of fat loss and say okay your weight's the same on the scale you gain this much muscle but you actually did lose this many pounds of body fat sometimes that would help but you're on the right path and i tell you what i think i have a happy medium for you maps performance is more of a calorie burning program than maps anabolic anyway okay so you might not need to do a 500 calorie cut you could probably do a 250 300 calorie cut and then mass performance will make up the difference and then what you could do on top of that is you could start increasing activity throughout the day so if she's not walking let's say 10 15 minutes after breakfast lunch and dinner you could just add that and the that culmination right there will show her some pretty good movement on the scale yeah are you tracking you guys tracking steps at all yes yeah we are i originally started and keep in mind you know she came from zero fitness background so i do understand that the the initial first of this was just from some sort of activity but she i told her i would like you for two weeks to wear this tracker i don't care what your steps are you just need to know what your average is and she was averaging around six thousand a day so we slowly over time increased that right now she's averaging around 12 5 to 13 yeah you know she's a she's a fourth grade teacher so she's she's kind of taking the desk out of the scenario a little bit tried to make sure she's moving with them as they're moving and increasing which i would have called this a couple weeks until your last interview i believe it was with lane norton i would have called it neat before i guess that's not necessarily neat anymore but trying to get her step volume up yeah okay so here's your three options option one is what adam said stay the course and what you'll do is present it to your wife and say here's the pros and cons the pros are we're going to keep moving in the direction of a faster metabolism eventually we'll get to a point where you're going to be eating so much food that you're going to be like okay i need to get ready like i can't eat this much and then the cut's going to be really easy option two we do a more aggressive cut 500 calories we'll see more movement on the scale but at some point we're going to plateau probably within within 60 days 30 60 days and then we're going to have to reverse again and pause that option three is we do something in the middle where i cut your calories about 250 and i have you do mass performance which are burn a little extra calories and then we try and increase your activity so those are the three options i would present to her and then you you got to go pros and cons and have her pick where she's going to go but it's a good it's good to do it that way because so she knows what to expect yeah what i've been doing i've actually been doing antibiotic antibiotic with her and what i've been doing and it seems to be working pretty well for me as i will bulk for uh i'm trying to clean bulk with real food no mass gainers and like that but eat higher calories for four weeks and then lower calories for about two i'm not going extremely low but i'm dropping from about 3100 calories a day to about 2,800 calories a day so would that be something that would kind of you know those small mini cuts or would it should be longer than that yeah no i mean mini cuts are great as well um you're asking for you or for your wife for her yeah i mean a 250 calorie cut would be more of a mini but again if you combine that with performance she's gonna burn probably an additional 150 200 calories a day with performance in comparison to anabolic because it's more of a it's definitely more maybe not phase one but once you get to phase two three and four it definitely burns more calories you know one last thing i want to ask james how we have you uh because we didn't get into this at all um and we because i think you're doing a great job i don't think we think anything's wrong here but um maybe there would be even better progress if hormonally she's all balanced well have you had her blood work done do you know where she's at yeah only in everything he had her hormones checked i believe it was last summer before we went before we went into this i wanted to do a battery of just making sure that everything's good she's healthy yeah um you know i don't obviously i don't know what those baselines should be because this is the first time we've ran them but uh i know that the uh she just recently went back for her yearly checkup her her blood lipids are better i mean literally all of her blood markers are better we haven't checked the hormones since then but they did say that she was in normal ranges i will say that we did that at a gp versus a hormone doctor and i have seen first case you know i you know i had a 345 testosterone gp is like oh yeah that's perfectly fine men's health doctors like no it's not yeah yeah yeah they give you a big range but if she has if she has some pretty you know loud signs of hormone imbalances you know hot cold intolerance you know poor sleep libido mood you know stuff all over the place then you could definitely look there i mean at one point i think it's i think it's a valuable investment all right you look like you're about our age or what i like that i mean getting blood work done on a semi regular basis i think is extreme i think it's valuable for any age but as we get older and stuff like that i think paying attention that stuff is even more important so you know maybe worth the investment at one point taking her to a hormone specialist you know and and having them kind of look at it and see if there's little tweaks that they can do i actually just yesterday got on to dr steven cabral's website to look at some of the things that we could do there if you know some of the hormone testing how that's going to work and try to get some of that moving forward because i do believe that's something that we need to address so good excellent i will say too just one last thing not to tie up anything any longer i was in relative you know i just say this for the other people that my upset about getting just work for her um i've been three times through anabolic i'm into split now but my in my three times through anabolic i gained 18 pounds of lean muscle and i wasn't in terrible shape when this started i've went up two and a quarter inches and each one of my legs in the thigh area about a quarter or two a half an inch in my calves i've put on three quarters of an inch in my arms my chest has grown i mean it's just it's crazy how rest you know that three days of just work and then the rest it's just that anyway works man genius must make that program hey we're gonna send you math performance if you don't have that okay james yeah it's perfect yeah thank you you got it man good luck uh great job by the way yeah yeah keep us posted yes we'll do thank you wow what a great what a great direction yeah so i obviously been listening to the podcast for a long time yeah i tell you man it's so good for people to hear that because uh you know if you said she was 245 pounds a lot of people of that state are like i just want to lose weight i don't care yeah but she lost so much body fat and built so much muscle that the scale didn't move but she lost the combined total what do you say it 28 inches yeah on her whole body like he that that she is setting herself up to not do what most people do which is not put it back on gain all the way back listen the challenge is not losing the weight almost everybody who tries to lose weight loses some weight almost all of them gain it back and then some yeah so it's not the weight loss that's the challenge how they do it it's the keeping it off and he's setting up the he's setting the stage for that to not happen so great job our next caller is jeff from massachusetts jeff what's happening how can we help you hey guys how you doing good man good good good just want to start off like everybody does but thank you guys so much i actually just discovered you guys about a month ago as i was going into my past competition and uh it was uh it was a great great time to uh to have uh to discovered you guys so thank you so much for for everything you guys put out there uh even my seven-year-old son now is uh has become addicted to you guys as well as soon as we get in the car it's daddy i want to listen to my mom all right let's do it so you got the younger generation's attention as well perfect um so i want to i actually want to start out with my question and then kind of lead in my background a little bit because i think it will flow a little better and make more sense um so my question is how to control um overeating post-competition so a little bit about my my background so i'm 39 years old uh i'm a about about 190 pounds i'm a veteran military and former corrections officer of bureau prisons um and i was medically retired about three years ago two sorry two years ago um and shortly after um my medical retirement i had decided to uh go into i decided i wanted to start competing literally just one of those things i did i rolled over in bed one day and said i'm going to start doing this um single single parent veteran um and i got got into competing i've done six competitions in the last two years uh last competition i received my pro card with wbff and i want to make my pro debut um that uh next august so in 24 uh but i would love to be able to do it for once with a clean bulk um i've never had a like a really a good clean bulk now i've jumped in and out of prep several times i'm at this point because i was just competing about a month ago um i'm still sort of in reverse diet phase but we also jumped a lot of steps as well for for good reason um i'm probably i'm a i haven't logged to be doing about a little over 2200 calories a day uh to about 270 to 280 grams of protein um but that is approximately a thousand calories from where i was even a month ago so the way our my prep tends to go is the only thing my coaches truly have me to focus on is the number of uh the amount number of grams that i take in of protein per day not so much the carbs or the fats that's more this is your serving size this is your uh these are the number of servings you're allowed to have and then they'll gradually decrease that throughout the course of my prep until i'm done my stage weight but i'm up approximately 20 about 20 pounds from where i was on stage um but i had i had also lost almost 10 pounds in my week um now i have this i have the ongoing issue whenever i come out of prep um and go into reverse diet or or into bulk where i cannot control the overeating to save my life like it's it gets really bad um what's the trigger like if i get hunger pains like i'm truly like stomach is rumbling i'm actually hungry i'll embrace that all day long i love i'll love that feeling i'll even convince myself that i'm just compressing fat cells and uh and leaning out um but when i start getting the 10 like tension stress pains throughout my job saying you need to feed me and you need to feed me now and i don't care what it is yet like i will i will go in and just and go crazy um the other day we went out and i i estimated that i took approximately six thousand calories throughout the course of the day this is just a couple days ago um and it's i really want to know like how do you control that overeating uh when you're coming out of post competition when you go from being so depleted to um to now you you have you have free range uh because again i'd love to be able to do this uh cleanly so i just want to see what you guys think about that so there's a couple things i hear here um and then that hopefully will potentially help you one and that a lot of my peers made in in the space when i was competing is this idea that when you go into quote unquote bulk time that you have to eat in this crazy caloric surplus so uh i didn't do that um i never let myself get beyond about four percent body fat from almost stage so i i'm i hover around like nine percent ten percent body fat at the highest uh during my quote unquote bulk time and then that way when i comes time to cut i'm never more than about six weeks out from ready for stage and and a lot of that is this myth that you need to eat a tremendous amount of calories to build muscle you need very little additional calories to actually put on you know lean tissue so there's there's your your your first challenge is you know telling yourself i don't need to eat in this massive bulk to put on a ton of muscle because then you have putting a ton of body fat on not only that but you also get in the habit of probably eating a lot of processed foods in order to eat that high calorie at least this was my experience like in order for me to eat 5000 plus calories i was having to put a lot of like fast food junk food ice cream things like that into the diet so i could hit that caloric surplus to bulk like i was trying to do so i quit bulking that way and then what happens is you you have and you have this type of mindset very somewhat of mine when you put your mind to something i can discipline myself and just say no i'm not going to do any of this so you can you can fight the hunger pains and you can resist from all those processed foods but then what happens you hit the competition you you win and you celebrate you're like cool i hit the goal now i'm going to allow myself to eat and then you crave those things that you consistently allow in your diet during the bulk and you go back and then it's hard to control it so that's another thing that will help that is by not bulking so aggressively with processed foods another little hack that i found that this and this may or may not work for you is i would always book a like either a vegas trip or a photo shoot or something like two or three weeks after i finish a show so that i i knew i had to keep it kind of tight for another two or three weeks i knew my show was over so i didn't have to be so restricted that i'm like starving the body and i would i could eat again in a surplus but i knew that i'm like hey i got a a photo shoot or i got a vegas trip in two or three weeks i don't want to binge and put 20 pounds on and lose this physique and so that that that other you know the goal or other thing that i was preparing preparing for made the reverse diet phase a lot easier because i knew i had to kind of keep it in check and so you just have to treat post-show the same attitude that you have going into prep like when you go into prep you have you're like a machine you're like boom i know what i need to do i hit these so just extend it just don't say that the end of the show day that's technically not the end of your diet you need to have the mindset of yeah that's the day you present your physique on stage and go after your trophy but the end of your diet say is until three weeks later and what that and then you set a goal and plan this and and a good coach by the way should lay that out for you too like so with my clients when i coached clients it was here's what our prep diet looks like and then here's your diet for the next you know three weeks afterwards coming out of it so you don't have that restrict bench type of mindset those are some things that have helped me jeff i um here's what i hear you saying okay i hear you saying a couple different things and this and i'm gonna write out the gates say that what adam said would work great for not you for other people what you from what you told me if you try to do what adam said you're gonna fail and here's why here's why i think i hear you say hunger isn't a problem but this goes beyond hunger you're talking about tension in the jaw and like signals so loud in your body that it's uncontrollable okay is that correct correct okay i also heard you say you get up to about 22-23 hundred calories with 240 50 grams of protein 270 200 okay do you know how many calories you have left for essential fat 270 grams almost nothing let's let's do the math here i'll do that with you 270 grams of protein is 1080 calories that leaves you with not that many calories i didn't even do for fats or carbohydrates that's such a good point okay i also see here that you wrote here that you you you your last week before the show this is a guy who's right now 190 pounds is 1400 calories correct okay so what adam said is not going to work because this is not a willpower thing you can willpower yourself all day long but you're in a dangerous place is where you're at okay your calories are way too low going into show way too low and your maintenance is way too low you're not getting essential fats what you're not what you're what you're feeling is not hunger what you're feeling is nutrient deficiency signs the signs of a nutrient deficiency are uncontrollable to the point where people have been known to peel paint off the wall and eat it in prisons because they desire a nutrient that's in the paint so strongly i don't know if you've ever heard that but that's a true story so there's a difference between i need to eat more because i'm in a calorie deficit and i'm not getting essential fats if you're not getting essential fats i don't give a shit what kind of discipline you have you will start to eat your pets at some point that's how strong those those signals will get probably this is such a good point because i didn't even look at all your know i'm looking up at your numbers what sal's talking right now and he's so on point with your not eating enough fat like that is like one of the biggest mistakes competitors make is they just they just simply cut calories they stay focused on the protein and they don't realize they're not getting enough fat in their diet and that feeling is uncontrollable when you don't get that that's their body like uh listen we're dying we can't make enough hormones we can't uh protect our nerves we're not absorbing enough fatty acids or or fat soluble vitamins so you're probably getting a lot of other signals and signs that you may be not telling us right now um or maybe notice that don't think are connected things like skin issues libido issues mood issues sleep issues uh hot cold and tolerances uh lots of other signs i'm assuming that you're you're enhanced uh hormonally because i don't know how someone can survive doing this otherwise um and if you aren't then you're just a willpower machine and that is not going to last you very long i am actually on i'm almost no supplements at all okay no antibiotics i'm actually not even going to start taking creatine until i've until i've actually earned like i'm still building my strength back up to to a maintenance level so i don't even start taking creatine yet i'm not enhanced in any way at all not even with hormones you don't take antibiotics you're a you're a you're a pro and you didn't take any antibiotics wow yeah you're you're that's impressive you're you're pushing you're beyond the the limit of um you know what's except even for bodybuilding okay because bodybuilding is unhealthy that's there's there's an acceptable unhealthy a guy your size and what you're saying you are going in way too low you're coming out that's why you're coming out and you can't control it you need to take some time off competing and rebuild your metabolism and you need to make sure you're getting adequate amounts or essential amounts of essential nutrients including essential macronutrients because i don't care how great your routine is there's an essential amount of fatty acids proteins and nutrients that you need that if you don't get those things are going to start breaking down and the first sign is uncontrollable so when if you're the average person and you're telling me oh i can't control my sweet tooth i can't control my appetite like okay there's a lot of people say that but it's really just craving when i hear someone like you say that who's a pro which you know what it feels like to control your appetite but then you're coming out and you're like this is not the same this is you're not getting an essential nutrients so i you got to rework your diet and get your calories to a healthy place get your metabolism up eat those essential nutrients and maybe don't do a competition for a little while till you get to that place otherwise what's going to happen is you're going to keep going to doing this back and forth thing and each show is going to get more and more challenging yeah as your body starts to become more resistant to what you're doing because you're literally telling you're literally starving your body and out of calories but of nutrients very different yeah i want to i want to get you in the forum so i want to put you in the private forum so i can keep an eye on you and help you through this process i actually i'm in it i just got in the other day okay good so i just when you talk in there if you tag me and and and salem justin like we'll be able to see it because it goes fast sometimes sometimes we miss comments or things in there but if you're asking a question about your reverse diet or what you're currently going through and you tag us we'll get to see it not to mention we have a bunch of people that have competed in there too so we have a lot of competitors some even competitors that i've coached for shows in there but uh sal's right i you know when now i was just listening to you and i was not looking up at any of your numbers or even factoring that in right now i thought there was purely just like a a discipline thing but he's a hundred percent on on point yeah you're just you're too low bro yeah at the very least at the all your calories are too low as well but at the very least i would take that 270 grams of protein which is there isn't a single study that'll show that that's at that does anything good it's way excessive at the very least i would cut some of that out and and throw in some more fats and carbs what did you what did you hit stage at weight wise just curious my state my actual stage weight was 167 okay going into peak week i was around 175 174 okay yeah and then you go up when you bulk how high of how heavy your big do you get weight wise about right about where i'm at now which is 190 190 so i now i've bounced in and out of very quickly like i said i've done six shows in two years yeah yeah so yeah done so like i did two shows in november took a month took about four or four or five six weeks off and then jumped right back at a prep again from january one to the end of eight i mean i if you do this right well you one will get you healthy and then you'll you'll make a great splash your crush your pro debut so i think i think it's a good time now you got your pro car which i know what that's like to chase that that's a huge achievement already so now you should really take a nice at least six months to a year off of even prepping for a show and it's all about getting you healthy and balanced and and and getting your court your calories up let's start tracking your fats and see where that stuff is at so we can pay attention to that focus on that and then get yourself in a in a much better place metabolism wise before we get ready for another show you know i i bet you even with your binges where they go up to 600 you probably feel amazing the day after like oh i feel great i feel strong i have energy you know that's that's a little a little blotted but yes absolutely forget what you look like in the mirror but you probably feel uh you know like you gave your body what it needed you know it says up here you're a graduate in exercise science and sport and sports nutrition when you're when your bodybuilding coaches are telling you what to do is there any any party that's like that's wrong that doesn't sound right well uh well so i only just started that uh started that that degree program i'm going i'm just starting my class uh last week i started my third class on that oh but yeah there are definitely days that i'm going why why am i so low like i feel like there should be more nutrients to this going on but then i look up in the mirror or down the scale and i go maybe there's some legitimacy to what they're saying you know bodybuilding coaches make livings and pray whether they do it intentionally or not off of people like you like you have the willpower yeah you'll just you'll you'll do whatever like you have you totally have that like army mentality point me where i need to go tell me what i need to do i'll go fucking over a mountain crush whoever's in my way mentality and it's guys like you that can succeed at bodybuilding this way but there is a much healthier and balanced way to do this um and i made a business off of helping people like that because of so many coaches would fuck up people by just starving their body of nutrients i'll i'll tell you what jeff uh a good percentage of people that have some success in competing is simply because they have the ability to ignore their body signals and they're somewhat more resilient than the average person okay so your body can withstand more damage that doesn't mean it's good it just means that you can survive but you'll actually look better if you do this the right way i mean look adam got a pro card not because he was the most gifted here that and the other but rather because everybody else did it wrong he just did it right and you'd show up on stage and was healthy and everybody else was dying to hours of cardio and starving themselves and whatever and he was healthy and he hit the stage and you know he wiped the floor with a lot of people because of that so you can do better than you are now with way less of the damage that you're doing i mean again i hear the calories and the i mean 50 percent of your calories are coming from protein like that that doesn't leave a lot of room for other essential nutrients yeah i i'll help you through this jeff you get in the forum and you tag me when you're going through and let's let's just walk through your reverse diet and this keep me posted on your journey uh and then uh i'll keep an eye on you as we go through this that sounds like a plan you got it man thanks for calling in thanks all right jeff all right bro i'm so ashamed that i i was just listening to him and never once looked up at you know what made me think that his numbers well i just assumed the dude is he's a pro i was like oh he's got those numbers all on him that's pretty enlightening uh yeah well no what it was is that when he's when he said to me like oh i can embrace feeling hunger and he's a company's a competitor he's got a card right so i know he knows what hunger feels like he goes but this is different like i get like tension pain in my jaw and i'm like uh that's different yeah i don't yeah and i'm looking at his numbers and i'm hearing and i'm doing the math in my head i'm like 200 centigrade yeah shame on me for not even that's crazy no you're right and that you know it's so great though about a caller like that and the fact that i totally didn't even look up there and see that is that was actually a very common thing i know that's terrible is just just really because they become so focused on the grams of protein and just and that's they just keep shrinking shrinking shrinking down there's no conversation around healthy fats or keeping you in that range and then you wonder why your body goes through this crazy this phase where you feel like you're gonna die bro did you see how good he looks so for natural well that's me yeah he's got it he's very resilient this is i'm telling you he's a genetic monster there's a there's a there's a self-selection bias in these competitions where it's not necessarily the the people iron mind it's the people that can just withstand that's the reason why he i mean the he is a genetic monster and he has unbelievable discipline that's what he has willed himself to pro he didn't go there the healthy good one no a lot of people like that i know he literally is just willed his ass to that that level it's incredible and this is why you hear stories of competitors dying literally dying because they have that mindset they'll ignore every damn signal everybody tells and that story is true about eating the paint chips and present i've never heard of that because i i mean i've heard pika eating right like with the pregnant ladies not looking for nutrients nutrient cravings when you're severely deficient is different than hunger it's literally your body will drive you to do the craziest shit to get nutrients that's different than hunger such a great catch by you so ashamed that i didn't even i didn't even i normally that one the numbers guy normally look at some of the macros and but it's like i just assume like oh his macros are online he i'm just gonna address the psychological issue that he's challenged because that's common too right of course very common for competitors the advice you gave generally is it that's what you do yeah yeah but like when you did the math and as soon as you said it i'm like i'm doing the math in my head like i'm like oh fuck he's like different when you're nutrition he's like eating like 10 10 grams of fat a day bro that's like 130 that was star of 130 pound girl he's like tilapia and broccoli diet 100 that's what that is that's exactly what that is wow wow our next caller is ruah from canada hi ruah how can we help you hi how are you guys how are you great good i'm such a big fan i've listening to you guys now for about two years i found you guys through max lucaviers podcast actually and i've been hooked ever since so yeah thanks so much for sharing your wealth of knowledge with everyone you guys have helped transform the way i look at fitness and train in the gym now so thanks so much thank you we love max yeah we do love it we won't tell them that you only listen to us and not him anymore though um so moving on to my question i purchased the rgb bundle back in december of 2022 with the goal to do a little bit of body recomp but also maintaining my lower body and glute gains um i finished maps anabolic loved that and now i'm on to maps performance but i'm just wondering if by doing maps performance alone i'll be able to keep maintaining um my glute gains or if i should add in glute focus days like let's say with the mobility um training sessions or like make substitutions with the main maps performance training days okay i'll answer that one first uh that's good question it is good question so maps performance is a mobility athletic based program which means you're going to get a lot of hip movement hip based movements okay so you're going to get a lot of glute work just because that's important for athletes now where somebody may want to add more glute work is if you have an issue connecting to your glutes if this is a weak body part in which case then there may you may want to do a little extra work like trigger sessions or focus session type stuff on those mobility days but if you don't have an issue connecting to your glutes if you feel your glutes when you squat and your deadlift then no you're not gonna you're not gonna not only you're gonna not lose glute gains but you'll probably get some with map performance so for basic where do you fall within that is this like an area where you have trouble connecting or do you feel like no no my glutes respond pretty well to those those exercises no they do respond well yeah okay then you're fine you're gonna be totally fine yeah and you'll even notice too just because you're moving in different planes your body's reacting different especially around the hips like you're gonna get glute meat you're gonna get other parts that you know will help kind of build and and you know extend on top of what you've already built so i think it's it's just a very different program so i think that's sort of the alarm that a lot of people have and reserves that they have going in and you know it might not look exactly the same initially but it's gonna fill a lot of the gaps when you go back and do more aesthetic base training you're probably gonna get glute gains with performance to be honest for sure so i'm gonna agree with the guys but i'm also gonna add a little bit that what when we wrote these programs the way we kind of advise people is to to do them trust the process and and run through them as they're written and then as you come back and let's say let's say you go all the way through rgb bundle and you go back around again now you can take what you've learned from all three programs and begin to kind of play and modify a little bit custom to yourself for example you know you bring up the the glue thing so maybe when you come back around to anabolic the second time you've got some you you take the trigger sessions and when you do the trigger sessions you focus on those muscles that you you care about more or maybe the second time you come around performance you have like a day that's purely just mobility and then you have a day that is like mobility slash focus sessions like we have in maps aesthetic so you can start to take like and i encourage people once they go through the programming like that and and follow it the way it is to start to take things that they learn from each of them and to kind of modify or there's nothing wrong with potentially doing that where you go man i man when i was doing maps aesthetic and i had butt focus days it really you know i got gains on my butt or saw a significant difference than when i just ran performers or anabolic by itself so that doesn't mean that you can't have one run a performance program and then have one day of mobility day one day of focus day that's totally okay you could do something like that rua what kind of gains did you see with anabolic in the areas that you're talking about did you see big changes um yeah so before anabolic i was a classic like loved circuits um my background was competitive swimming and sprint kayaking so like we did so much cardio and i just got used to like always training super hard so doing anabolic like forced me to slow down and i just got way more definition in like my arms and my back um so it was kind of aesthetic driven but now i just feel like really strong again all right very cool you said there's a second part to your your question yeah so um i'm a travel nurse so i do the beloved shift work and so i'm just wondering how i should modify my training um around night shifts i never train between night shifts or the first day coming off after listening to you guys but i'm just wondering how i should modify like maybe going into my first night shift or just what down general actually what you're doing is perfect what you just said was perfect where you're yeah where you're taking like an extra day off after or not in between that's ideal right there so in other words maybe your program would normally be monday wednesday friday but depending on your schedule it might be monday thursday sunday or monday friday monday that's what you're doing is perfect and then gauge your uh your readiness by strength by sleep by energy if those start to go down then reduce the intensity first and then second would be reduced the volume and then third will be reduced the frequency in that in that order i also seen your other in your comment in your question up that you wrote that you also do mid-distance running how what do you mean by mid-distance what is that yeah um so i do anywhere from like four kilometers to like max eight and i just love running like it's coming from sport so i just kind of do that for my mental health but i don't like train super hard that's like under 30 minutes of running yeah okay so i got i i'll give you something how often do you do that by the way how many days a week would you do that um in the summer because it's nice more so so like two times a week but like my weight training is priority right now i'll tell you what if you're gonna do running and you're doing two let's say two sessions and you're talking about glute gains if you switch out one of those running days mid-distance for sprints you'll probably see more gains in your glutes so instead of doing like a you know four kilometer run which is what is that two miles something like that i'll do the math here we don't we don't we use the imperial system or sled drives i would go yeah i would do drive the sled for short distance or sprints i would do like sets of 50 yard dashes will you rest in between so you're treating it like strength training so it's like as fast as you can 50 yards rest five six minutes and then do it again and for the same total time that you would do your your your run for so that's about two and a half miles yeah so that that probably takes you you know 25 30 minutes i would do set sets of sprints rest in between treat it like strength training that those sprints will act like strength training but you'll get the running as well and you'll see some gains probably in the glutes mm-hmm i so i was doing sprint training before and then before i purchased the rgb bundle i like asked someone with mine hump um like what package i should purchase and she said that and then she said to like slow down or not do the hit because i was doing hits i was doing sprints but that like the mid distance running was okay to do okay there's a difference between hit and what i said oh so hit you're you're resting just enough to go for it again and you're trying to keep that calorie burn what i'm saying is treat the sprints like strength training so i warm up periods yeah i warm up rest periods like a minute two minutes between longer like i like i'm right i'm i'm fully recovered yeah i'm doing my mobility i'm ready for a sprint maybe i jog a little bit get everything warmed up then i run as fast i can for 50 yards and then i rest as long as i need so that the next one can be max effort again okay just like you do with squats or deadlifts so literally it's like how fast can i be with 50 yards each time not how many can i squeeze in you know a 20 minute period or something like that so it's different than hit it's you're treating it like strength training okay that makes sense okay cool yeah a hill would be awesome too and i mean turf is ideal just to maintain and preserve your joints but yeah i think that's solid advice like i even then just like running sprints you're going to see quite a substantial amount of definition and what not happening just because you're activating those fast twitch muscles like so you may actually see some gains in your legs overall it's like strength training and then when you finish rgb i think uh map strong will be a great program for you or symmetry yeah stronger do you have either one of those i do not know all right which one do you want who do you like better salar adam stupid dude oh my gosh can't do that to me no which one which one is the best answer we'll send you one we'll send you stronger symmetry what which one do you want to do after rgb probably strong you got it she likes that one yeah you got it i didn't know who did who that's all right okay that's that's the third person in eight years now that likes i don't know so we'll write that down now i'm just kidding but thanks thanks for calling in and you're gonna love you're gonna love map strong when you're ready quality not quality thank you so much thanks for calling in you got it all right all right take care guys are you guys like me when people talking kilometers and meters and shit i'm like yeah 2.2 and some other numbers you know that meme where the girls looking confused there's all these equations are ahead that's me i weigh 40 stones or whatever you know people oh crap well that's gonna give you stones and things like that will give me kilometers of at least a kilogram still has to know she'll we write it out she's killing it your advice was on point adam it's like it's great to modify after you follow the program as it's written because then you really know how to modify otherwise it tends to be like a just add more stuff or i think i need and i think i just wanted to make that point to the audience so people don't think that we we really believe that like oh these programs were written perfect and they're written perfect for everybody it's like no like we let just trust the process that like it treat it like it education you'll learn yes and then once you learn about your body and how all the programs individualize it yeah then you can start to customize it a little bit for your specific you know needs and goals i'm glad she asked the question about performance because it is a very glute heavy program anything revolving around athletics is going to be glute heavy that's just the bottom line so our next caller is ryan from kentucky ryan what's happening how can we help you going uh sorry i'm pretty nervous this is kind of surreal um don't worry justin is too yeah i'm in uh my third phase of anabolic advanced uh i got it right after you guys dropped it um going through but my main question i guess is i'm i'm coming up on a mastectomy in june right after my uh final deload week and they told me not to even look at the gym for at least two weeks uh so i'm wondering what you guys have uh for me to kind of go through those two weeks or what i can do to mitigate any losses uh and then kind of where to go from there i didn't realize they make you take that much time off from the second that's why i'm not getting one let's suck that come on man you're gonna sign up with me i keep having kids too you know it's funny he said deload to the vasectomy all right so look here's a deal um you're not going to lose anything two weeks is not going to make you lose anything you could do very light strength training like 30 full range of motion get a little pump you could do mobility work um you could do stretching you could do walking but you're not bands training yeah band you're not going to lose any you're not going to lose any gains i mean you might come back and get sore you'll get sore with your first few workouts but you're not going to lose any gains so okay one thing you could do is leading into that is really push yourself hard so that you get a little more recovery time yeah so that's sometimes what i would do if i'm going on a vacation let's say a 10 day vacation the week before i tend to push it harder than i normally do so that i have that extended recovery with the time off type of deal but your two weeks is nothing you're totally fine by the way how's your experience so far with anabolic advanced i love it uh i'm bigger i'm stronger than i've i've ever been uh i've only been back into serious fitness for uh coming up on a year in june but uh even my younger days i was i was in the marine corps and lifted a little bit but uh nothing like i've got from from your program awesome how many kids you have by the way ryan why are you getting a vasectomy what's going on i have four kids oh yeah i feel you bro it's time dude yeah it's time yeah you don't have time to shave yeah yeah what about what about the new program oh that's we can't talk about that yes no it's live by then ryan we're gonna send you we're gonna send you a surprise program it's surprise we can't talk about a new one we can't talk about it because we haven't released it yet but we're gonna send it to you yeah we'll slide it in your dm's it's called it's called maps of vasectomy yeah um uh real quick do i have time for one more question of course um how how do you suggest how should i have been going uh through my progression through anabolic advanced as far as weight should like should not wait for volume have been the same that i'm using on uh same counterparts for for failure since since intensive a little bit in the tank on volume and then no so a little bit and then go into failure no so um you're you're gonna so okay so for people who don't have that program um there's more to the program than this but what he's asking about is in the phases you alternate between training with more volume to training with less volume but higher intensity so you have weeks where you go to failure much less volume and then weeks where you don't go to failure uh where there's higher volume so here's a deal um you're gonna probably use less weight on the volume days and really it's about getting a great pump that's it that's what you're trying to get on the on the volume weeks is trying to get a great pump on the failure weeks you're trying to with perfect form get stronger each week with perfect form now at some point this happened to me the strength guy the strength got so high that i had to slow the reps down to go to failure versus adding weight because it got to the point with a risk versus reward ratio wasn't that great like there's there's only so much weight i want to add to a lift before my form's off a little bit it's probably gonna hurt so at that place then you'd slow your reps down but if you're not at that point yet then it's really about getting as strong as possible with perfect form going to failure and then again get a good pump on the volume weeks that's really what you're aiming for that's that's what i've been doing so awesome that's that's why you're crushing all right man appreciate it you got it ryan thanks and uh hope you enjoy the new program thank you thank you so much you got it brother rest those wavos yeah map shooting blanks i uh uh damn do two weeks i don't know that i didn't know either i thought you got back within a few days i thought it was like an in and out process it is i had it scheduled and just didn't uh follow through yeah well that's so i haven't i haven't scheduled one but i need to because i don't want any more kids yes you do yeah for sure you guys are you guys are encouraging we'll drive you there let's try to do it for me you know god damn a little donut pillow but yeah for people for people listening like if you're consistent and you even if you take two weeks completely out you're not gonna lose any gains at all it's two weeks it's after like four weeks that you start to see that and what if you just did upper body stuff it's the i think you're fine has doctor said to you know how it is with i know they're gonna we can't go yeah but you know what how it's the it's the exertion that they don't want like you know you're doing the exertion you could create too much pressure on where they did the incision your penis explode a little below a line in there somewhere what your penis was is that possible scared dog is that possible can you blow it out i don't believe so i've never well that's never blown it out that's good all right look 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