 Okay, let's pray and then we'll get started. Father, we come before you today Lord. We thank you for the weekend. We thank you for the time that we could spend in your presence, Lord, looking into your word. We thank you for the week that's ahead and we thank you that you are there but always with us each and every moment of every day, Lord. We thank you for that great assurance and reassurance of your presence, Father God, and we thank you that, Lord, with you we are more than conquerors, Lord, as your word says, and Lord, no matter what challenges, Father God, we thank you. We can always declare that greater is he who is in me than he that is in the world. Father, we thank you that you've made us overcomers, Lord. We thank you for your power that is at work in us, God, and Lord, we pray that this week, Lord, that you will enable us to experience, Lord, the greatness of your power that is at work in us, Lord, whether it's to love the unlawful, to forgive the unforgivable, O God, or to lay hands on the sick and to watch them recover, God, to snatch people out of darkness and release them into light, O God, into your kingdom, God, I pray a lot that you would, that we would experience that first hand right through this week, and we just commit ourselves into your mighty hands, Father God, we thank you, we thank you, and just want to say thank you for redeeming us, thank you for saving us, washing us, and Lord, for planting us, God, in your kingdom, we thank you. We give you all the praise and all the glory in Jesus' matchless name, we pray. Okay, right, so last class, when we looked at last Monday, we looked at the ministry of the teacher, and we also looked specifically at how the Lord Jesus taught, right? We saw some of the methods with which he taught, which was with, you know, his teaching was characterized by wisdom, it had so much authority, he also used illustrations and, you know, metaphors and parables to teach, so everyone could relate to what he was, he was sharing some deep spiritual truths about heaven and the spiritual things, and everyone could relate to it because of these things, right? The way in which, manner in which he shared, used parables, so we looked at some of the parables, we looked at Luke 15 specifically, the parable of the lost sheep, lost coin, and the prodigal son, so we looked at it in detail, and also I remember saying that, you know, you can go through that table of parables, which are there, some of the parables like, you know, which are categorized and listed under these different topics, so I hope you had an opportunity to go through, there are about nine categories, and this is not an exhaustive list, right? So I hope you had a chance to go through it, but if not, I just want to encourage you guys to, you know, read through, study these parables and really receive the truth of what the Lord was teaching about, you know, various things like the kingdom, about forgiveness, about the law, about his return, like so many wonderful, you know, truths that he shared through parables, so we, every time we remember the parables, we remember these truths also, right? So just want to ask, like, I hope some of you went through, so was anyone able to go through the entire list of parables you read through anyone, or anyone yet to go through? You can probably just put up your hands if you were able to go through the entire list. Okay, Mangi, you went through, okay, that's good, Dinesh. Sir, I didn't go through, I was, I was, you know, yet to, okay, you're yet to go through, okay, okay, fine. So Dinesh, you were able to read through or you're yet to complete the list, yet to complete, okay, fine. Okay, so just wanted to, like, encourage us to go through that list, okay, of parables, read through, and, and, you know, come back with any questions or any thoughts that you might have, but it's very interesting, right, as we go through these parables, very interesting, and also, you know, it gives us an insight about the currency that was used, you know, like, talents, dinarai, currency that was used in those times, it also gives us some, some, you know, about the, about the society, about some of the practices there, and so on. So it's interesting, right, in all aspects, it's interesting. So study, you know, read through the parables, study them, and, yeah, so just wanted to share that. Okay, so last class, we also looked at, you know, in the early church, the kind of teaching ministry that was done, right, so we looked at the Book of Acts, some of the verses there, we talked about how the apostles, you know, preached and, and then they taught, okay, so especially Acts 5 verse 42, and daily in the temple and every house, they did not stop teaching and preaching, right, so, so they preached, they proclaimed, this is the truth, and I'm sure they would have exalted, encouraged, inspired people when they did that, but they also went into the details of, and probably reasoned, and shared the reason for why they were proclaiming that truth, right, so they were teaching the why, the how, which is what happens when we, when we actually look at teaching, you know, it goes beyond the inspirational or motivational, or the proclamation of the truth, and it goes into, you know, why, why this is so, right, it can be reasoning, it can be, you know, a lot more depth into the nuts and bolts of, you know, why these things work this way, right, so, so they did that, they did both that, and then that is captured, you know, that is recorded for us, so, so in the early church, you know, this was, this was done, and, and we also studied some of the instructions for the believer, we read about the, you know, the teaching believer, the one who is in the body of Christ, you know, like the believer who is placed in the body of Christ, and is a member, and, and we see that, yes, as a, as a believer you have the, you know, there is the aspect of the believer who's, who may not be in the ministry gift, or the ministry office of teacher, but is teaching, and he or she has the ability to teach, and is receiving revelation, and, and studying the word, and teaching the word, right, so Romans 12 talks about some of the gifts which are mentioned there, and, and then Paul writes, and he says that, you know, if it is ministry, you know, ministry, he teaches in teaching, and so on, and also Colossians 3, 16, where he talks about, let the Word of Christ dwell in you richly, let, let his word abide in you, stay in you as you do this, and talks about admonition, talks about, you know, even ministering in songs, and hymns, spiritual songs, and he also mentions teaching, right, so, so, and then, of course, we looked at the ministry gift of teaching, where the Lord himself places this as one of the ministry gifts, he calls some to be teachers, to be in the body of Christ, to, in order to equip the body of Christ, so that equip the saints for the work of ministry, right, so, again, the ministry could be five-fold, the ministry could be anything else that we saw, you know, like in the, in, in Romans 12 also, you know, some of the things listed there, to, to encourage, and also to raise up other, you know, teachers just like themselves, to equip the people for the work of ministry, which results in the edification, which results in the edification of the body of Christ, which results in, you know, the church being edified, the church becoming stronger, and, and that's what the teaching, and the ministry gift does as also teaching, right, and, and then we looked at how we are called to do and teach, so teaching is not just an offloading of instructions or, or, you know, instructions and, and things to be done and things not to do, but, but the thing is that it is applicable to, to the congregation or to the listener, and equally to the one who is, you know, imparting the instruction, right, so it brings everyone, it makes everyone accountable, so, so the Lord teaching in Matthew 5 saying that, you know, whoever does and teaches, he shall be called great in the kingdom of God, and Romans 2 also, we saw that Paul, you know, saying that admonishing, rebuking, saying, you do you who preach that a man should not steal, do you yourself steal, right, so you who teach, you know, do you not teach yourself, so, so the emphasis is on living, right, doing, obeying, and also teaching, right, and also the Lord, you know, giving a rebuking, saying, do not teach as doctrine the commandments of men, right, he's talking, actually talking about empty worship, and in vain they worshiped me in Matthew 15, you looked at that, and the Lord saying that, you know, these people drawn here with their lips, meaning in words, in rituals, in things that they are doing, but their heart is far away from me, you know, their hearts are not engaged, their hearts are far away from me, and in vain they worship me teaching as doctrine the commandments of men, so he's saying it's, it's vain, it's futile, it's empty when you teach the commandments of men as doctrine, so, so when it comes to commandments of men, you know, or humanistic things, and, you know, we can always share, like, you know, these are, these are some practical things that you can do, and this is my opinion, like Paul would say, you know, as one who's interested with these, with this revelation and as one who's walked with the Lord, I, I share this, right, and he makes them, he prefaces that by saying, I think it's one contains nine, or, you know, or eight, he says, you know, it's, it's not a commandment of the Lord, so he makes that very clear, right, and so, so also, you know, when we teach as doctrine, some of the commandments of men, it does not have value, right, it does not have, you know, when we teach as doctrine, when we, when we say, okay, here's some practical wisdom, here's some, you know, here are some things that have helped, I found to be helpful, and so on, then, then it's, you know, then it's the right place, okay, so, so we need to be careful in that, right, and as a church, you know, sometimes we, you know, as, as a body of Christ, we, we, we teach our hearts are sincere, you know, the objective is, oh, we don't want the person to, you know, we want to protect the person, protect the believer, and sometimes, okay, page, page number, it's 19, Charles, 1920, just doing a quick review of what we shared last class, so, so we might teach, you know, with all sincerity, you know, as commandments of men, we give these things as a, as a protective thing, for example, you might say, okay, you, you know, when you're born again, you become a believer, you wait for some time, you know, till you take what a baptism, wait for a year, just make sure, you know, you're, you're following the Lord, and then you can take baptism, right, water, be baptized in water, or you might say, you know, well, the Lord, yes, definitely wants to empower you, and fill you with the Spirit, but wait, be baptized in water, and then you can ask the Lord to be, to fill you with the Spirit, and, you know, fill you with the gifts, and so on. So, you know, sometimes the objective is that, okay, we don't want you to go back, you know, don't want you to be baptized, and then backslide, and go back, and we want you to make, you know, be strong, and, and then, you know, do these things, but actually that's, that is not biblical, right, that is, that is not scriptural. So, some of these things, right, so these can be, you know, I just mentioned this, just top of my head, but then there could be other things that we are teaching as doctrine, the commandments of man, right, so we need to be careful. Okay, then we also saw that we are called to teach, and, you know, teach all groups of people, as the Lord would call, teach the nations, you know, in the Great Commission, we see, you know, make disciples, baptizing them, teaching them to observe all things that have commanded you. So, when he says, make disciples, he says, make disciples of all the nations, all the people group, okay, and then we also saw that the Holy Spirit is our teacher, right, the Holy Spirit, the Lord very specifically said, the Holy Spirit, you know, he will teach, he will guide you, he will teach you all things, he will bring to membranes, so we have this wonderful gift of the teacher being with us, and we can turn to him, depend on him to receive, you know, to be by him, right, and of course, you know, he will teach us, he will teach us in many ways, he will teach us when we sit at his feet and alone, on our own, he will teach us when we are listening to, you know, the ministry office or the ministry gift, you know, that's why the ministry gift is there in the body of Christ, he will teach us in many ways, you know, when we're doing a simple Bible study with people, and he will teach us in many ways, so he will teach us, he will instruct us, even as we, you know, take part in all these kinds of, all these kinds of informal or informal gatherings, right, he will teach us, and he's a teacher, and we also looked at 1 John 2 verse 27, which talks about the anointing, and just clarified that, right, that verse where we see that you don't need anyone to teach you, because you have the anointing, the anointing which abides, teaches you concerning all things, and just as it has taught you, you will abide, so he's talking, anointing, of course, talking about the power and the presence and the power of the Holy Spirit, the working of the Holy Spirit, so here John saying that the anointing abides in you, and you don't need anyone to teach, so many people have, you know, misapplied that truth to say, I'm on my own, I'm a soloist, you know, I'm on my own, I don't need the help of anyone to teach me, I'll receive from the Lord, and that's enough, okay, now that is not what this text means, it's talking specifically about discerning, it's talking about false teachers, it's talking about discerning, what is false, what is good, and you know, what is false, what is true and what is false, so it's about discernment which will teach the believer, right, the Holy Spirit helps us to discern what is right and what is wrong, what is heresy and what is of the truth, so that is where we, I think that is where we stop, okay, okay, so today let's look at page 21, sorry, page 20, teach with the wisdom of the Spirit, right, we have the privilege of teaching and deceiving the wisdom of the Holy Spirit, and he teaches, he compares spiritual things with spiritual, like 1 Corinthians 2 and verse 13, these things we also speak not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual, so it means that the Holy Spirit compares, brings a connection, brings a comparison between what is there in scripture, comparing spiritual things with spiritual things with other teaching and brings a kind of a correlation, right, and we see that in the sermon, which off the early church, sermons of the early church, and people just made that connection, like Peter made that connection and said, okay, this is what was prophesied by Prophet Joel, James, you know, saying this is what, how is written that, where God says that he will raise up the tabernacle of David and the Gentiles will see the Lord, so we see that comparing spiritual things with spiritual and making that connection and teach, so this is the wisdom of the Holy Spirit, teach with the wisdom of the Spirit, right, the other thing, the other instruction that we see with regard to teaching is that Galatians 6-6 talks about, it's an exhortation, again, let him who has taught the word share in all good things with him who teaches. We see the same thing in 1 Corinthians, I think it's in chapter 9, yeah, where Paul says, chapter 9 and verse 11, 1 Corinthians chapter 9, verse 11, if we have sown spiritual things for you, is it a great thing if we reap your material things? And, but actually in the whole chapter, he says, no, we've not done that, okay, so the principle is that, you know, as a principle, God has allowed this place, this saying, okay, if someone is teaching, you just go ahead and, you know, share all good things with the one who teaches, but just wanted to say that it's not an entitlement, right, it's not, it's not by force, you know, it's not by saying, okay, and how I've taught you, therefore, you must give, you know, it's not a sense of entitlement, and, and so we see that very clearly in Paul's teaching in 1 Corinthians 9, he says, you know, we have this right, but I will, I chose not to use it, okay, so this is what is there in scripture, like he also quotes from the Old Testament and he says, you know, well, it says in the, in the Law of Moses that you shall not muzzle an ox or tie up the mouth of an ox that is threshing the grain, if it wants to, you know, take a mouth full of the grain that it is threshing with, it's talking, you know, whoever goes to war, you know, offers own expense or, and he talks about someone who plans a vineyard, someone who takes care of the flock and, you know, will they not, you know, make use of the produce and so on, but he goes on to say, you know, we have not done that, so that the gospel might not be hindered, okay, so while we see this principle, it is not to be, you know, used like an entitlement saying, hey, I'm here as a teacher and I'm teaching, therefore, you know, you need to honor in these ways, all did not do that, said, you know, I, I just, you know, I, I, I worked and these hands are worked and so I, I did this, I supported myself, I supported my team and I did the work of ministry and specifically with the Corinthian church, he didn't really take their support in order to travel and do ministry, other churches were supporting him, right, so, so that's the thing, so he, so we understand, right, by the principle and the example that it is not something like an entitlement, it is not something that is to be used as a manipulation, but it is, it is as a free will offering, right, so, so as a, you know, as an encouragement, so that is something that we see, okay, the next one that we see is when it comes to instructions of teaching is Paul saying, I mean, to Timothy and to Titus, exhorting them over and over again about ensuring that they teach the right thing, okay, ensuring and the sound doctrine, okay, ensuring sound doctrine, so if you look at one, first Timothy, we saw these verses, you know, when we started, I think, you know, when we looked at Biblically preaching, especially, you know, we, we looked at several of these verses, rightly dividing the word, let's look, let's look at, look through some of these verses, first Timothy one and verse three, as I urged you, when I went into Macedonia, remain in Ephesus, that you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine, okay, and if you see the verses following that, he talks about why, you know, that we should not teach any other doctrine, he says that verse four, not give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification, which is in faith, it's a God's word brings about faith and, and rightly presenting, rightly, you know, teaching the word of God produces faith, but, you know, he writes in verse five also, now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure conscience, from sincere faith, from which some having strayed have turned aside to idle talk, desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm, okay, so saying, you know, this is causing disputes, divisions, rather than edification, it is causing the opposite of what godly teaching does or what good doctrine does, it is causing dispute, probably it's a truth which is presented with a wrong spirit, wrong motive, wrong attitude, or it is a wrong teaching itself, right, so, so saying, you know, this results in, or if it's, you know, fables and endless genealogies and all these things, it results in dispute, right, so he's saying, you know, you, very specifically says, charge that they teach, be careful, you know, you, you charge them, you, you instruct them, you command them that they teach no other thing, no other doctrine, okay, and the same, first in the chapter six, he says, you know, if anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, okay, so he says, you know, if anyone does not consent to wholesome words, the words of our Lord Jesus, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, okay, so this teaching which is in line with godliness, or the character and nature of god holiness, then if anyone is teaching in that manner, he's proud knowing nothing and is obsessed with, again, he says, disputes, arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, and so on, so Paul is saying, you know, ensure that there is sound doctrine, and we see that in 2 Timothy also, he says, you know, there will come a time when people will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itchiness, they will heap up for themselves teachers, right, so the importance of sound doctrine, okay, and also to Titus, he writes, he says, you know, about false teachers, and he says, most must be stopped, who subword hold households teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain, so here's teaching because of wrong motive, okay, so this teaching for the sake of gain, okay, so we don't know in what way it was, it was, right, probably they were saying things which cost people to give, right, so that they could benefit, or maybe they were, you know, bringing people under, intimidating people, manipulating people, whatever, right, saying they were doing it for the sake of dishonest gain, right, so Paul instructing thing, you know, ensure that there is sound doctrine, so as teachers who are placed in the body of Christ, so we just make, we're doubly sure that we're teaching the right thing, teaching things that make for sound doctrine, okay, okay, any questions so far before we get into the next one, any questions, anything that you might want to add, okay, next one is about women teachers, you know, what about teachers who are women, because there are some very challenging passages, I mean, script versus, which seems to suggest otherwise, okay, so I'm sure you would have studied it in detail in hermeneutics, and so I'll, but you know, we'll just touch upon this topic, so what do you think, you know, I'll just read two scriptures, two potions, you know, since we are in 1 Timothy, 1 Timothy chapter 2, and yeah, and verse 11, let a woman learn silence with all submission, verse 12, and I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence, for Adam was formed first, then Eve, for Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived fell into transgression, nevertheless, she will be saved in childbearing if she will, if they continue in faith, love and holiness with self-control, okay, so this is one scripture, and if we go back to 1 Corinthians 14, there are also 1 Corinthians 14, and verse 34, let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but they are to be submissive, as the law also says, and if they want to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home for it is shameful for women to speak in church, and then, you know, and then other things, right, so verse 34, 35, okay, so, so I just wanted to ask us, you know, as a class, so what have you learned about, you know, women teachers, and also, you know, teaching women in ministry in general, and so on, anyone? I'll go first, in our local church, we have actually the most amazing teachers, our women, pastors, our leading pastor's wife, Fiona, she teaches, the way she teaches the word, you can actually understand, you can, although she doesn't teach as much as she can, but she is the best teacher we have, and that made me answer that, what Paul is saying here, it's, he's writing these letters to specific pages, and we shouldn't take this, we should not generalize what he's saying here, because God has given gifts to everyone, and we should allow people to use their gift according to what God has, or then them, that's what, that's what my, what I've understood, thank you. Okay, thank you, thank you, thank you, yeah, so from personal experience, you see that God using women in ministry, you know, equally, you know, or more, you know, and powerfully, and bearing fruit in ministry, so, you know, you see that, okay, God is using them, so, you know, from personal experience, okay, you can say that, and so you see, okay, maybe this is not something that can be, you know, generally generalized and used universally, but it has, you know, there could be some reason why Paul is saying that, so, yeah, okay, and Sam, Paul's instruction to women are contextual, and against the prevalent cultures in Ephesus and Corinth, yeah, so, yeah, of course, we know the first episode to the, one Corinthians 14, 1434, here, there, he's writing to the Corinthian church, so that is, and then in 1st Timothy, that instruction is to the church in 2 Timothy, when he is pasting the church in Ephesus, so, yeah, so against the prevalent cultures in Ephesus and Corinth, all right, so, but it's in, and it's also, thank you Sam, so, and it's also interesting to see, you know, to see, to see, okay, what are some of those things that were happening that the reason for, you know, Paul to write this, okay, because when we look at Paul's ministry, when we look at, you know, the scripture, we don't see that, we don't see women being, or right in Paul's ministry, we don't, we see that women playing a very important role, right, we see that there are women who are in leadership, there are there are women who are apostles, and, you know, and a great place to, to, to understand that is Romans chapter 16, right, Romans chapter 16, where he lists down greetings and, you know, his best regards to a lot of people at the close of the letter, and he's mentioning a lot of women there, right, so, like, Phoebe is, is one person who's mentioned there, 16 and verse 1, Phoebe, our sister who's a servant of the church in century, that you may receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints, and our sister in, you know, has been a helper of many and of myself also, okay, Greek, Priscilla and Akula, you know, Priscilla and Akula, and Priscilla and Akula as, as a couple, they did an amazing work in ministering to Apollos, right, Apollos was a, he was, he was good, very articulate, very, very strong, mighty in the scriptures, he was very bold, refuting the Jews, you know, and pointing from the scriptures, saying that Jesus is the Christ, he's a messiah, but he had to be taught, right, he had to be instructed accurately about, about the Holy Spirit and so Priscilla and Akula did that, right, then he says, who risked their own necks for my life, to whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles, so which means they continued, you know, their work of encouraging and teaching and, you know, ministering, right, then verse 6, greet Mary who labored much for us, greet Andronicus and Juniah, or junior, my countrymen and my fellow prisoners who are of note among the apostles who were in Christ before me, right, so junior is a feminine gender there, and then ampliers, urban is, of course, is male, and so we go through that list, we see Triphina, Persis, then who else, Julia, and he says, Nereus and his sister, so we see many people who are, whom Paul greets and he says, you know, these were, you know, these labored with me and so on, and you know, he uses the same term when he, when he refers to Timothy, you know, he labored with me in Christ, so when he comes, you receive him, right, so yeah, Phillips daughters prophesying Phillips four daughters, we read about in Acts, in the book of Acts, when they actually went and stayed with Philip, that was Acts 21, is it, yeah, Acts 21 and verse 9, right, so we read that 21, yeah, 21 verse 8 and 9 talks about Philip, and then verse 9 talks about his daughters who prophesied and so on, so we see that, you know, people, women being in ministry, so the reason is that it is restricted to that particular culture, but particular place, okay, so in Corinth, for example, we see, you know, I just read this, that when Paul uses that word, let me just go there, when Corinthians 14, all the women keep silent in churches, they're not permitted to speak, you know, the word that he uses there is le leo, okay, speak, which could be even casual talk, which could be, you know, random speaking, it could be so of that nature, right, but normally when you use words that, you know, if you're going to be something that is, something that is establishing speeches, it is establishing something, there's another word which is used, which is lego, okay, you know, I think you remember lego blocks, right, you build something, right, it's got all those slots and you build something lego, so lego was used or le leo, so both had different meanings, and lego was different in the sense it was casual talk, also used for casual talk, right, so this person says that, yeah, when you see that le leo is used, right, women are to keep silent, it is shameful to speak, so we understand that in that culture, current culture, it was, you know, the women had the tendency to kind of disrupt the service, and if they did not understand and just, you know, ask questions and so on, so Paul had to give this instruction, specific instruction for the women at Koran, when it comes to emphasis in first Timothy that we see, so here, let me just, yeah, so Ephesus had some teachings which talked about how women were created first, okay, and so women can have authority, I think it was a temple of Artemis, I'll just clarify that, but it had, you know, three or four things where it said that the women actually came first, they created first, which was, you know, totally not scriptural, so women came first, and also that particular deity will protect from all dangers of childbirth, and also that the teaching or this transcendental teaching, you know, the women received it, and they're supposed to pass on to men, and really, you know, it was a very demonic culture where we talked about, you know, sexual relationships as a part of worship, which was there during that time, and where this knowledge was passed on to men, you know, in such ways and so on, so Paul is clearly, he's, you know, he knows the culture of that place, and he's addressing some problems there, and he's saying, you know, to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence, and then he goes on to say, because he's talking about, you know, Adam being formed, and then first, and Eve, and also, you know, we see that he's talking about, she'll be saved in childbearing, you know, if she continues in faith, and so on, so we see that that was prevalent, that was a teaching which was prevalent about that particular deity taking care of women if they would pledge their allegiance to the deity, and so on. So he's, you know, obviously he's making a reference to that also. Okay, so we see the rest of scripture, and we see the context in which he's written it to these, you know, and then we know. Also, if you look at Ephesians 4, and we look at the ministry gifts, Ephesians 4 verse 11, it's, okay, Ephesians 4, for he gave some to be apostles, evangelists, and some pastors, teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of the ministry, and to be all come to the knowledge, the unity of the faith, and so on. So here, there is no, you know, division of gender, yeah, Avni's question, can we say that, or is it true that as human beings we are male and female, but as spirit beings, we are sons of God, and someone say that how do we understand that, yeah. So when we look at, you know, Ephesians again, where I'm just looking at the reference, that Paul says that you have been brought close, we have access, and yeah, sorry, I'm just, yeah, so we see that there is no division of gender, right, there is no way do we see that, but one is inferior, one is superior, but definitely the roles are different, and definitely God has also put down divine order in place, and design in place. So that is not to make one subservient to the other, but the roles are different. So here, as human beings, we are male and female, but as spirit beings, we are sons of God, so I don't know if we can use that Avni, like to suggest endless, you know, as children of God, I don't know if we can do that, I really don't know, but the fact is that God does not make a difference, you know, in it comes to spiritual things, because we are called together, I'm just trying to see the reference, you know, you are one's darkness, but you are light, walk as children of the light, and so on, walk circumspectly, and then in that same verse, he talks about submission and so on, so anyway, I'll find that reference, I'll share that. So the thing is, so Avni, I'm not very sure, okay, about that, because as spirit beings, we are sons of God, you know, we still, you know, as new creations also, we live as, you know, we have been created male and female with specific roles and so on, so I don't know if we can use that, but the fact is that, you know, even in the five-fold, we see that there's no, you know, it applies to men and women, right, if women can be evangelists, women can be, you know, teachers, women can be prophets, we see that prophets are there, you know, as women, oh, it would apply, right, it would apply to all that they are free, and if God will call, and God does call some to be apostles, pastors, evangelists, prophets, teachers, so we see that, right, so we need to understand this because, you know, we know that in some cultures that, you know, this is very prevalent, right, in some patriarchal cultures, this is very prevalent that women are probably, you know, you say, okay, you take care of children or children's ministry, women's ministry, and so on, and unfortunately it's the men who, you know, kind of put them down, you know, I remember last year somebody did a study on women in ministry, and it was quite interesting, is to find, I think this was Karnataka, Rural Karnataka, and a few other places to see in India, Karnataka India, and did a study about women in ministry, and quite an eye-opener, like, to see women pastors, women evangelists, teachers who are there, and the kind of, you know, the kind of pushback they face from the church, but they are continuing nevertheless in the call of God, right, in continuing to be faithful in ministry, so it was quite interesting to, you know, to read about that, okay. Okay, the other thing that we see is to develop the ability to teach well, okay, so when Paul writes to Timothy, and also to Titus, he talks about, you know, all the qualities that a person might have or should have to be an overseer, to be a bishop, right, and to be looking after, to be doing spiritual ministry, and he also very clearly mentions about one ability which is the ability to teach, so able to teach. First Timothy 3, we see, he lists down everything, and then he says able to teach, right. Second Timothy 2, 24, again, he says able to teach, and also in Titus chapter 1, I think, where he says, verse 9, holding fast the faithful word, as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exalt and convict those who contradict, that he may be able to exalt and convict those who contradict, so again, he talks about, so this is something that, you know, as teachers, we grow in, right, we need to grow in, so that's the instruction that we see, you know, develop the ability to teach, okay, so okay, so we'll take a break, we'll come back, we'll spend some time on that, okay, right.