 I don't know if it was a treasure or whatever it was, but he tried to tell me that NASA had discovered a lost day in time. A what? A lost day in time. A what? Yeah, NASA, NASA discovered it. It can work out. Well, thanks, I wonder, when I'm watching straight for smells, you're going to get a fly. Awesome. Bethany, if you had time for something else, are you wondering religiously if you know what NASA is? You're an atheist? Yes. Atheist, as in, what do you mean by that, when you say atheist? Agnostic atheist. Oh, what do you mean by those words? I only asked the only question. I don't know if it exists. I don't believe it got exist, but I can't really show it 100%. But I lack a good feel about it. Were you ever religious? No. What made the transition? A lot of fear. Okay, so you're very, you're like relatively minted agnostic atheist. Yeah. Okay, I'm an agnostic atheist myself. I'm wondering like, what, I always find it really interesting about what changes people's minds. Do you have a moment to talk about it? Yeah, it's actually the spanking issues, what kind of helped me overturn my mind. I'm sitting on the fence as a agnostic for ever. Agnostic, agnostic? I don't know, I just always call myself an agnostic. Ah, you didn't embrace the atheist? Yeah, for probably about 13 years. Got it. Okay, okay. So you're already sitting on the fence for a while. And then the spanking issues, what made it? One, yeah, one of them, yeah, made it. If it turned out Christians weren't the ones spanking, if I could show you a statistic that actually atheists spank kids more than Christians, would that make you go back a little bit? It would definitely make me want to do more research than I consider, but the strong, you know, that strong position, because I wouldn't, because I'd try to be more middle of the road instead of black and white. Okay. Now, as before, I couldn't, I didn't know how to do that. Is spanking wasn't an issue whatsoever? Would you still believe in a God right now? Mm-hmm. Why not? Probably just because, like, I had a major falling out with my parents, and I went to school to start just learning more stuff about the world around me, and that was definitely, that was definitely the stepping stones too. Okay, just notice that, I'm not saying it's the case. Pretend there's a religion out there that's like, fallouts with parents happen, but check out all this awesome science stuff, and we don't agree on spanking kids, to the same certainty that you are. Plus, our God, Mr. TKO, whatever exists, now you have the perfect religion to fall into, because now it seems to meet your needs on, you know, religious parents sometimes, but you can build them up long term. You got the science stuff in there, you got the no spanking. It's like the perfect God belief. Would you believe in that God? It seems like there's something more important than just the spanking family relationships and science. Like, what's keeping you from believing in the God right now? Probably the evidence, and the fact that it is falsifiable, so I'm just kind of like, hmm. So if you had a more falsifiable claim on something, it would be like, I know what this doesn't look like, now I have a firmer reference to what it does look like. Yeah, and we had a, my therapist that I was saying, I'm not a religious, we talked about a story about, I think I don't know if it was Joshua or whatever it was, but he tried to tell me that NASA had discovered a lost day in time. A what? A lost day in time. A what? Yeah, NASA, NASA discovered it. NASA discovered a lost day in time? Yeah, and they used the Bible to help them discover this lost day. Yeah, like a computer programming glitch. So, oh, so like, somehow a day happened that nobody knew? Yeah, like, they couldn't calibrate their computers the right way for something. So they had to refer to the Bible. What? To find this lost day in time when some Babas were like, I can't read the carapace. Your therapist said this? Yes, yes, he said, don't you know this? What is this therapist? Oh, another bandwagon. I know, it was so funny. You guys, don't you know that NASA read the story of the Bible and the sun stopped still in the sky? No way. And they lost a whole day. And they once NASA read this story and put it together. Then they were able to discover back together this lost day time in their computers. No way. Did you know that was true? And then, I remember walking out of my therapist's office thinking, I don't believe what you're saying. And I researched this. And it was a snopes thing. That's huge. And it was even on answers in Genesis. Sure. That it was not real. Wow. And that should be a favor. That was one of them. I was like, okay, if I've been holding out, this is definitely one of the major, I'm done. I was like, I can't believe this is not an error. This is not real. This can't be proved true. And I just don't, I don't feel too proud to believe in this anymore. And that, did you find yourself with the atheist label as like, I can't help but be an atheist? Or did you like seek out, I need to find a way to describe my point of view, what matches that? Agnostic, sure. Actually, the atheist kind of fits it. I don't know. That was for me, that was my experience. I don't know. It was just like I went down like a massive rabbit hole of like, you know, talks on YouTube and podcasts. And I was like, you know what, I think I really, I was surprised that I identified with that label. When the process of researching childhood as spanking and realizing about the harmful effects. Sure. Because I wanted an atheist perspective. Sure. That's kind of what started too. Like, I mean like, digging away from the religious side and maybe see what the atheist community or the agnostic community has to say about child development and discipline issues. And then that just like opened up the science and fields. And I'm like, ooh. Basically. Like this conflicts with me. As soon as you stepped out of this, the religious perspective just gave you more ideas. I'm not sure if atheism has a perspective on how to raise a kid. No. Right? But like, there's definitely communities of atheists that seem to have a non-religious point of view with regard to religion. Yeah. Yeah. It was more welcoming in the science research side. Reason-based. It's like, I'm looking at the evidence to see what is the best way to raise a kid. Yeah. And not one book. Yeah. Right? It is. It is. But you know what? I do think it's very cool that the way I see it, when you're in a religious perspective, you have one point of view on how to do something. Mm-hmm. And because of that, optimizing that method is going to slow itself down because there's no one really challenging it. Mm-hmm. But in an atheist perspective where it's anybody, anybody can believe anything else they want a site along with and I don't believe in a God. Mm-hmm. You have a lot of different ideas clashing with each other and it tends to be that the best ones rise to the top and these are the ones that we're all happy to follow because we don't have a dog mind telling us to stick with what we have. And it's just, the special idea is to make the best one for the top. It's like, I don't know if it's like that. Yeah. Mary's kids are pretty good. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's just amazing because like, you know I come from a really strict authoritarian type of parenting background and the community around me is super religious and they talk about my son and go, oh, he's so old, he's so awesome. You know, I've never had to spank him and it's poor. Yeah. And I mean, every kid's different and I have to have that caveat on the back of my mind. True. So like, my mom never spanked me but she would let me stay home anytime I said I don't want to go to school. So like, anytime she's like, mom, I don't want to go stay home and that put pressure on me of like, maybe I should tell that to her because she's just going to be totally, she would sign papers for me ahead of time. Just like, turn it anytime you don't want to go to school. Just give the paper, just note, I sign out 10 of them, I got job, do what you got to do. And I'm like, I got to stay with school. I got my PhD. I stayed with it but like, that kind of responsibility that she put on me kind of helped out a lot. And I think it's possible. Yeah. That's an honor for her. Yeah. That's great. It's so good to meet you. Really great talking to you. Yeah. It's cool because I'm really important and upon meeting Anthony. Me too. I'm really excited. It'll be my first time. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to be on a panel together with a bunch of other people too. Yeah. BSE. But yeah, it's going to be fun. It'll be my first kind of conversation. I want to do like more workshops because sometimes I'm in my house and we all go out there and we make conversations with others. How I feel Socratically think like the next question. How's that conversation just turned so Do you want to try that one? Quick. Yeah. Okay.