 Well, here's a man who's in the Hall of Fame. We just mentioned him a while ago. I know he's got a busy day today, but he's carving out some time for us. Hall of Fame manager of the New York Yankees, Joe Torrey. Joe, it's Michael Don and Peter. How are you today? Michael Don and Peter, how are you guys? We're doing great. So unanimity, I think it's almost perfect for Mariano Rivera. Is that your feeling or not? Yes, I thought it was funny. I tried to call him last night. It went right to voicemail, no surprise. And then I called, I sent a text, and all of a sudden I get a call back, and he puts me on speaker with this whole family. It was pretty cool. Yeah, I told him. I congratulated him on this unanimous election. And I said, there may be others. I said, but you're the first, and there will be another one of those. So certainly earned, and I don't think anybody can ever question it. Now, you could speak to this better than me, because you were inside that room. I got to see the first and last pitch for Mariano, which is an honor for me. But I always tell people, Joe, of all the superstars that I've had the privilege of being around. He was the most humble, genuine, classy guy. He would treat the people that would mop the hallways outside Yankee Stadium the same way as he would treat. I think you. Did you sense that within that room as well? Yeah, he was a very sensitive, very spiritual individual. And again, it served him well in the role he had. I remember he spoke before game seven against Arizona. And it was really along the spiritual lines. And then again, not that the good Lord is going to do anything for you. I mean, you have to do it yourself. But the fact that you just have to be at peace in your mind, and he obviously handled that role as well as anybody's ever done it. And it certainly served him well. And it wasn't like he didn't have heart-breaking situations. The home run to Alomar in 97, obviously the end of the 2001 World Series. And how do you explain, on the grandest stage of the mall, where you can have those failures and not have it affect you when it just seems to cripple other players? Well, we weren't sure in 97 because that was new turf for him. Even though he had a real good year statistically, it was still the first time in postseason in that role, even though he was certainly in great deal of stress in 96, too. But we, and Mel Stottelmeier and I, obviously, felt that we needed to address it. And when we flew back to New York after game five in 97, we grabbed him off the plane, took him to a little isolated spot on the tarmac, and just basically said, we wouldn't have been there without you. And just to let him know how we felt and how the whole team felt, that he didn't let anybody down because I know he had that feeling. And he's always been a team guy. And that was one game in Washington. And I remember I told him I wasn't going to use him. And I look out there in the eighth inning, and he's out there waving his arms. Here I am. But I didn't use him. I probably should have, as a result of the game. But he, and then again, after the tarmac meeting, the following spring first day, the pitchers and catchers showed up. Mel and I took him down the right field line at Steinbrener Field and set him on the tarp. And I had the same conversation. So again, we didn't know if we had to do that. But we felt better that we addressed it and got it over with. And he'd never look back. I mean, again, not that I think the conversation had anything to do with it. But he's special. He has special makeup. And he certainly, it's interesting about as long as his career was, is the fact that he never really altered the type of pitch he was. You see, other guys who have been around, they have to make adjustments on like a C.C. Sabathia. He doesn't throw it 98 anymore. So he's going to have to pitch a little bit differently. And Mariana was the same guy, which is pretty remarkable that he was able to do that all those years. I just saw a tweet, Joe. David Cohn went to Mel Stottemar's funeral. And he tweeted out that the name of Mel's boat was Moe in the Ninth. And said to Moe, I just want you to know how much Mel loved you. Accurate, obviously. He probably just felt very special about Mariana. Well, Moe in the Ninth, it certainly made all our jobs a lot easier. You never had any question on who was going out there and how long he was going to stay. But yeah, I know I was at a funeral also. And David is articulate as always. Did a great job. You taught him well, Michael, by the way. But it was he had high regard. And the one thing about Mel, getting to that subject, Mel had high regard for you, whether you save 40 games, 120, or pitch 20 innings. He had that kind of personality and made you feel as important as the All-Star on the team. So he's going to be missed. But I think it was a great deal of benefit to have a Mariana around him. We talk about New York and how tough it is and how, believe it or not, guys like Moe and Jeter were actually booed at Yankee Stadium. And I forget what year it was, Michael, back in the early 2000s when Moe blows a save against the Red Sox and got booed. And he said he handled everything great, but how do you think it felt for him during a time like that where even all the greatness the Yankee fans could still turn on him like that? Well, I'm the one that had an issue with that one. I looked up and I just shook my head, like how dare you, this guy. But Mariano, I mean, that particular day I think he would have booed himself. But it's one of those things that goes with the territory. I mentioned to somebody, I'm here in Scottsdale right now because we have our annual umpires retreat. And I said, it's like anything else you do. You know why winning feels so good? It's because losing was right there next to it. And it's something you have to deal with. There's always a danger when there's something at stake. So Mariano's approach, as I said earlier, is perfect for a closer because you have to have a short memory where you did well or you didn't do so well the day before. What's your thoughts on Messina? He was with you for a long time. Didn't get to win a World Series between the two Yankee World Series. But obviously an unbelievable pitcher picks his entire career in the AL East. Well, I really appreciate it. Moose, I mean, it was funny. And here, you know, Montoursville, I mean, I'm going to make a call. Now, I don't think his line is going to be busy. You know, I mean, I just called him and he answered the phone. He's, hello? I said, Moose, this is Tori. And by the end of the conversation, he sounded a little more excited. But yeah, Moose was special. I'm happy for him. And I know I heard the comments about postseason play. I don't think anybody's won a bigger game than he did in 0-1 in winning Game 3 of the Division Series. That 1-0 game that, of course, Jeter's flip play was at the end of it. And also, the relief outing in Game 7 in 2004, people, in 2003, that was huge. Tell me about it. Before the game, Mel came into my office and told me who he had available. You know, it's like a game 7, man. And he says, you know, Moose is available out of the bullpen. But you know, I told him we'd just start an inning with him. We wouldn't use it in the middle of the inning. So what do I do? I bring him in with the bases loaded and nobody out. And I gave him the ball. I didn't say a word. I walked off the field and he pitched whatever. He pitched three innings or so. And he'd come over to me after we took him out of the game. He said, I thought I wasn't in a half-joking manner. He said, I thought you weren't going to start an inning. I mean, you're only going to start an inning with me. You weren't going to bring me in the middle of an inning. I said, I guess we lied to you. Can I tell you? And I said, you give me an idea. Next year, it may be worth pitching you out of the bullpen. He walked away from it. Now, in that same game, Mariano obviously stayed on the mound, stayed on the mound. And you had told him, I think after three innings, that's it. How would you have ever taken the ball away from him if Boone doesn't hit that home run? I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have because he was pretty determined. And I think what he did right after that, getting out there on the mound and gathering the dirt or kissing the mound, whatever he was doing, he was so committed to making sure he was the last pitcher in that game for us.