 All right, okay before we go to photography. I'm gonna take this quick question. Hi. You're new on book show. Who's this? Hey Scarlett you've got a question on topic cuz I've got a lot to cover in minus five minutes Go ahead. Yes, sir You're going to mention Dunkirk I have a question about how photography and film work See in Dunkirk it's actually Vince or it's depiction of real people and is that different from a photograph Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean So I Consider movies to be the most complex art form there is I mean think about it movies entail Not only Acting which is a selective recreation reality and I ran to find art as a selective recreation of reality based on an artist met Metaphysical value judgments, and I'm not gonna get into the whole thing, but but you've got acting which qualifies as art you've got a Story you so you've got a script you've got drama which qualifies as art you've got photography and Direction and and you've got all the and you've got music right music is is art So you've got all these elements, and they all have to be integrated into one aesthetic experience Photography most photography is very different from that. It's static. It's you're taking a picture of something that is Not recreated it just is If you think about a movie all the sets in Dunkirk were recreated there isn't a Dunkirk not in the way. There was a 1940 No, 1939 not in the way. There was a 1939 You had to recreate it and you had to recreate a set you had to bring actors They who don't just live they had to put them in uniforms which they don't usually just have so the difference between photography and Movies is vast photography is just one little element within a vast art form called film which includes all these other elements in addition to the photographic aspect of it and of course movies can be less or more artistic in in Whether they stylized that visual experience more or less in other words whether the visual experience is Is we a recreation versus just accepting the way the world looks and just filming it So and now that would be a pure naturalism or realism There's a whole school of movies of a film called realism and and it just just films it the way it is So there's no attempt to to to recreate Into to shape the world that's being filmed you have to go back to Fitz Lang's old movies where the stats were actually painted and drawn So so the world in which the action happened was actually recreated or even to Hitchcock who in his films every little piece of furniture where every little thing was on the set was completely purposeful and and and intentional and thought about and and that that's great art that's that's you know, that's True art when you're actually recreating that. So let me let me let me get into photography now You got it Scala. We good Thank you. All right so Photography traditional photography I Don't think is art and and the reason is what I just said it doesn't involve recreation. It involves things as they are period It's taking a picture of reality That's out there and I ran did not consider photography art now. It can be aesthetic. It can be pretty. It can be beautiful But in a sense of recreating metaphysical value judgments and everything that entails and and When something recreates value judgments, it has an impact on you as a viewer because it condenses Certain ideas certain views of the world For you and you respond to those that's the kind of unique Aesthetic experience we get we're responding to the artist's Metaphysical value judgments even when we don't identify them. This is again related to the emotion. I motion so automatically giving us back Producing of a spawn to what they're seeing in our artwork to what to what our subconscious is reading in the artwork as The values that are that have been recreated there Photography doesn't really do that on when it does it it does it on a shallow level now The reason I brought this up is if somebody asked well, what about photography in the modern world where you take a photo and then you completely manipulate it using Photoshop using the million different Software programs that are available today and you can actually change what you photographed now, let me say my caveat about anything I talk about When it comes to aesthetics, I'm not an expert and and this is just some preliminary thinking and don't take this as the Objectivist view because this is not I in Rand's view. This is your on To the best of his ability telling you what I think is consistent with the philosophy of objectivism and its view of aesthetics I would say that to the extent that those photographs are manipulated purposefully and systematically in ways in ways That are projecting a particular view That the artist has can't usually subconscious view it's usually art does not usually reflect necessarily the conscious views of You know some artists are very well integrated to the conscious and subconscious But usually what's what you're given as a subconscious view To the extent that it's what I went called a metaphysical mirror right of the artist So the artist is putting down And it's purposeful and it's thoughtful and it's Really does manipulate the image But not just randomly a lot like the software you have on your iPhone where you take you take a photo And then you press a button and it scribbles it all up. That's not art or that that's equivalent of modern non art, right? So yes, I think it can be That's my tenant, but but I haven't seen any that is I've seen beautiful beautiful images I've seen I've seen photographs that I would hang up on the wall that that that I just gorgeous But I haven't seen any way I can't say I've seen photographs that I would describe as art now I've seen photographs where I thought it was a painting. Maybe that's the closest it comes Because of the qualities of the photograph because of the way it was touched up Because of the way everything was positioned because of the way the artist did whatever it did in Photoshop But it looks like a painting. Yeah, no, I can see that but again It's tricky, right? It's tricky So I think it can be it's at the margin and Most photography is ninety nine point nine percent of photographs people take point nine nine nine Not a few artists might exist out there who can Manipulate a photograph and make it an artwork. It's the best formulation. 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You can order your copy today on Amazon All right, so Let's talk about than coke. I saw the movie a week ago and I don't know I assume everybody knows the story of Don't cook. It's it's a true story In the film is it portraying a true story and the true story is is that in World War two as the Germans swept through Invaded fans swept through Belgium and the rest of northern Europe They cornered I think it was four hundred thousand French and British troops on a small beach called done cook and If the Germans had managed to wipe out those troops capture them or kill them That would have caused the Allies that the French and a British It set them back years in terms of their ability to mount an offensive against the Germans Who knows what would have happened if for the rest of World War two You know many of those the troops on that on that beach who were ultimately saved came back and D-day and fought the Germans and pushed them back. It would have been a Emotionally it would have been a devastating devastating loss for the Brits in particular and it could have very well emboldened Hitler to try to cross the canal and invade in evade a great Britain and That was the real dangers that if he'd captured or killed the all those British troops in that coke He would have probably felt And it felt free to just cross the canal and try to invade Britain and indeed the British knew this so the British Held back from trying to rescue their people. They held back much of their Air Force and held back much of their Navy They were worried they were worried that if they engage the Navy in the Air Force in the battle over Dunkirk that And in the end the Germans would wipe out their soldiers and They would they would destroy many of their planes and and many of their ships that they would be defense less when the Germans actually tried to invade the United Kingdom and So indeed not only with these hundreds of thousands of troops abandoned On these on this beach they were under constant aerial attack from German fighters They weren't under constant bombardment from artillery positions not that far away. They were in within artillery range and Very few Navy ships No Navy ships could come close enough to actually pick up these soldiers. So they there was one Place where you could load soldiers up onto the ship, but that was quickly bombed by the Germans So you couldn't even do that So there was no way for the big ships to come in close enough They would have to send rowing ships rowing boats and it was a slow cumbersome process, but in addition the British Navy did not was not willing to dedicate enough ships to do this The way in which these troops were ultimately saved was that they there was a call the Navy basically used a I Guess a provision that they had where they they took over Civilian boats and so they they they went to And basically confiscated civilian boats small boats and sailed them towards the coast, but what happened was that Even boats that were not commissioned by the Navy Boats and most of the boats that landed up sailing were sailed by civilians Non-commissioned by the Navy and just people voluntarily got in their boats and sailed to then cook I Think the British citizens realized that their future that their lives that everything they cherished Was at stake and that they that they needed to do something that this was a time for action real heroism Heroism for good cause for the cause of defending liberty and defending freedom So Thousands of little boats sailed across the British Channel could get very close to the shore Loaded up soldiers and sailed back And it was one of the greatest rescue missions in human history. Maybe the greatest They got 300,000 British troops off of off of the shores of Dunkirk. All right, that's the story. That's what happened the movie is Is in the theaters right now It's so let me just say It was it was an incredible It's an incredibly It's an incredibly made movie. It's it's made by Christopher Nolan who made the Batman movies Now again, I'm not an expert on film. I'm not an expert on aesthetics But I think this is an incredibly well integrated movie the music the cinematography the acting the storyline He has three storylines and there's a twist in the end in terms of how those three storylines Integrate and they all do integrate in the end and it takes you a little bit of while to catch on to what's exactly happening But it makes it interesting It's intense. You literally my wife at the when we as we movie ended she said Let's go home and get in the jacuzzi. I need to calm down It you're at the edge of your seat And I think he achieves that not only because the story is so intense, but because the music is so effective because The story is so dramatic You've got three stories going on You've got a story of what's going on in the beach and the efforts of two particular soldiers to get off the beach and to do Whatever it takes To survive It's really is a story of survival in the obstacles and the disappointments and the catastrophes and the and the bravery and the heroism and And and and the cheating and and and the cowardice that all goes on when when when you've got Hundreds of thousands of people who are trying to survive and Then you've got one story that happens on one of these boats, you know a Sailed by a civilian heading towards war Not knowing what it they're heading towards but heading towards they they know You know that the future of their country and therefore the future of their freedom depends on it and they're sailing towards something and then you've got a pilot Who is One of the few pilots up in the air trying to protect the evacuation of Dunkirk from the Nazis Air force and from You know from from the the air force just bombing the ships and bombing the beaches and Every one of these stories is anchored by incredible performances acting wise Very dramatic Situations now you never get deep into the characters the movie is not a character movie The movie is almost an atmospheric movie the movie tries to place you there and make you feel Like you're there, but it's not you get a sense of characters But you you don't get much because it's it's partially because the story's jumping within less than two hours between three different story lines So you don't get to know any particular one of the people involved in those three story lines But and it's not a It's not a raw raw Heroism you know wonderful everything is great movie. So it's definitely it's definitely a movie about the horrors of war It's definitely a movie about people being heroic in those horrors But it underplays the heroism and maybe that's a I would say that's a criticism I have of the movie It's definitely not Romantic in that sense. It's romantic in the sense that people are doing courageous heroic things and people are applying that their free will in pursuit of values, but it doesn't it doesn't celebrate those values indeed when they reach home They are convinced that and I'm not giving away anything because they're no spoilers because it's an historical movie You know know what happens, but when they reach home You know they the They are convinced that they have failed right they have lost to the Germans and They think that they are going to be booed and they're going to be spat on and they're going to disrespect it And when they come home, they get the opposite response people are celebrating and people are cheering them and so on And it's it's got the sober mood to it and then one of the big criticisms of the movie is Churchill gives a very famous speech During this I mean maybe his most famous speech during World War two and an amazing speech Well, we will fight them on the beaches. We will fight them here And you know we will survive and we will thrive and we will do this and It's a phenomenal speech and he had Churchill do it or to hear an actor doing Churchill doing it is inspiring But that's not the mood of the movie the mood of the movie is very somber So what it has is it has the soldier reading it at the end on a train when he's in England And it's in the newspaper and he's reading it aloud and I found it very powerful. I found it very poignant You know, it's what it means to him. Yes, it's not a grand statement about Saving Britain, but it's it's much more personal and it's and I found it very meaningful Anyway, I thought the move I enjoyed the movie and I would definitely go see it now It's not it's not a and I think I think the way he ties in the three-story lines pay attention to the three-story lines And pay attention to the and I'm not gonna give it away pay attention to the titles When they first come about It says the beach one week The boat or the ship one day the plane or something like that one hour one hour one day one week Pay attention to that and you'll see how it all comes together at the end. It's it's really really it really is quite quite fascinating and I found the movie inspiring in spite of its kind of kind of attempt to dull down our Emotion our you know, what yeah pro heroism emotions I Found it amazingly well integrated and and and a beautiful experience and very very intense So when I was completely in the movie, I was completely drawn to it. I was coming So I would recommend it again. It's and it's you know what it doesn't have which I loved It doesn't have go So it you're completely at the edge of your seat You're completely in suspense about people dying and how they're gonna die and all this and there's no guts spilling out And there's no blood squirting all over the place It doesn't have that D-Day landing scene from saving private Ryan where people's guts are flowing out of them And all that you don't need that to get at the horror of what their experiences. The mood is Far more powerful. This is what Hitchcock understood if far more powerful than showing you the the real Savagery of war and leaving the savagery Implicit rather than explicit Anyway, very powerful and I would I would I would recommend I would recommend seeing it I mean I'm interested to hear what what you guys think of it. So That is my review of Dunkirk the movie. Let me give