 Daily Tech News show is made possible by its listeners, thanks to all of you, including Chris Benito, Steve Aderola, and Jeffrey Zilx. Coming up on DTNS, a real smart city sensor system in the wild, our predictions on when we'll get driverless cars, or if, and we make sense of the whole FTX debacle. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, November 10th, 2022 in Los Angeles, I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Redwood, I'm Sarah Lane. And coming from, you know, your backyard barbecue, your boy, big Chris Ashley. And I'm producing today's show, I'm Anthony Lemos. Looking your backyard folks, Chris is back there barbecuing. That's right. I got you. What? I got you covered. There's Chris. That's actually my backyard. That would happen one day. We're like. All right. Let's. I would welcome that, honestly. Yeah, me too. That's just. What's that wonderful smell? That's right. Let's start with the quick hits. Foxconn executive said Thursday that the company is trying to bring back iPhone assembly to its site in Zhengzhou, China. That experienced a COVID outbreak and thus worker shortages. Foxconn is operating under a closed loop system at the moment, which includes having workers only moving between their lodging and the production lines. Swiftly, they said, swiftly, Bloomberg reports that Apple placed time restrictions on AirDrop in China, following widespread use of the feature to share images in a way that cannot be detected. So if you're in China and you've upgraded iOS, the everyone option in AirDrop, which lets you do wireless file sharing, is now limited to 10 minutes. You can't just leave it open for anybody to get your image anytime they want. And after that limit, the sharing switches back to contacts only. Apple told Bloomberg that the new setting will be made available globally in the coming year. It's just launching in China first. In other Apple news, the company said Thursday it's going to spend $450 million on satellite and ground equipment for companies like Global Star to continue to support Apple's emergency satellite texting feature. Twitter's chief information officer, Leah Kistner, has left the company and the security security officer, particularly. What did I say? You forgot the security. That's all. Oh, information security officer. Thank you, Tom. Leah Kistner has left the company. She tweeted about it. And the Verge says that it has seen internal documents showing Chief Privacy Officer Damian Kiran and Chief Compliance Officer Marianne Fogarty have also resigned. Microsoft said iCloud Photos integration is rolling out for the Photos app in Windows 11 and will be available to all users by the end of November. In Windows 11, users will have the update the Photos app and install the iCloud for Windows app from the Microsoft Store. You got to go do the Microsoft Store dance. Once signed in, Photos or libraries can be selected to automatically sync with the Photos app. The Wall Street Journal sources say that Amazon Chief Executive Andy Jassy is leading a cost-cutting review of Amazon's less profitable businesses, particularly it's a business. Voice recognition. Yeah, that one, which has more than 10,000 employees. Now, this would not be Amazon being alone here. Obviously, this is a bit of a bit of a shift in the tech world. But internal documents viewed by the Wall Street Journal show that in recent years, Amazon's devices unit had an operating loss of more than five billion dollars per year, which includes those working on that assistance. And those are the quick hits. All right, let's talk a little more about driverless cars. The California Department of Motor Vehicles approved an amendment to Waymo's permit Wednesday. Waymo will now be able to charge for autonomous vehicle rides without anyone in the driver's seat for grocery and food delivery. Waymo still needs a driverless deployment permit if they want to start carrying passengers without a human driver, they can apply for that permit once the company's driverless cars carrying the groceries and the food have operated on public roads for a minimum of 30 days. Now, we've seen these stories inching along. This is this is not a new one. Normally, these would be in the quick hits. Slow progress, restricted areas, restricted permits, little bit at a time. Companies like Waymo or Nuro out in Houston, GM Cruise, Lyft in Vegas, offering actual driverless car service just little by little. So I thought it'd be fun for us to make our best bets. When, if ever, are we going to see this become a normal option for people? Maybe not widespread, but a thing where you're like, oh, yeah, you can get a driverless car. You just you just go here. Chris, what's your best bet? So if you had asked me a year ago, I'd have been like probably never. But, you know, the fact that I have this, you need to experience because my truck drives itself and I am super impressed with its ability to maintain a highway lanes and even drive on some roads off the highway. So I'm going to say two years. This is going to be a way more mainstream. OK, that's pretty, yeah, yeah. And that's because, you know, obviously the more the vehicles out there are doing these type of things, the more data that's gathered and then the more they have to learn from on the back end. I'm saying two years. 2024 or 2025 since we're close to the end of 2022. I'm going to say 2025. All right, all right. I am in a after living in urban areas for quite some time. Most of my adult life. I live now in a pretty rural area, not too far from metropolitan areas, but definitely rural. And the idea of an autonomous car getting out to me does seem farther away than two years. What I have wondered about is, OK, well, we're going to get there. I don't know if it's going to be tomorrow or it's going to be a lot longer than, you know, some people hope, but we will get there. And what does that actually kind of mean for the reasons that I would hail a car out here to begin with, I might hail a car to take me somewhere. And that is a little bit different than this. But if I were to hail a car that was autonomous to bring me food, for example. Well, then, and this actually happened yesterday because I ordered some pizzas. And I ended up tipping the driver because, you know, I'm trying to be nice, you know, 20 percent, of course, you know, because they're working. But do you tip a car that doesn't have a driver in it? I don't think you need to. I don't know. I don't know. Would have saved me some cash. I'll tell you what I'll get in. And I just kind of wonder what that looks like, how that changes the way that we hail for things. You know, whether it's a thing that takes a person from point A to point B or it's a thing that brings me the person, the thing that I want. Do you save money and who who does that potentially not help on the other side of things? OK, I didn't hear a date. I didn't hear a date in there. Oh, I mean, when you're out here, probably never here. So you're to go with the never like it'll just never become common enough that you'd be out at Studio Redwood, not holding my breath. All right. All right. So we have 20, 25 and never I'm going to fall in between those two. Uh, addressing some some comments in the chat. The groceries thing already works with neuro. You you have a code that'll unlock the door. You open the door and you pull out the groceries, right? So that that's solved. That, yes, some people are going to protest this, particularly taxi drivers and probably Uber drivers, but that's not going to matter if it works. It's going to work and people will take advantage of it. I think that the pace they've been going is the pace they will continue for the restricted, mappable city driving. And then to get to Sarah is going to take a lot more work, a lot more permitting, a lot more, a lot more of a learning curve for the cars to deal with with new things or putting in infrastructure so the driverless cars can get into rural areas with minimal training. I'm going to say 2050 is when it will be normal that we'll just continue to inch along and there'll be places, there'll be places like maybe San Francisco, like maybe Phoenix, where you're like, oh, you go there and downtown you can get it, you can get a driverless car take your places. I think grocery delivery and delivery will be a little ahead of that. But for Sarah and Chris and me, most anywhere we go in the United States, being able to say, yeah, we'll probably be able to get an autonomous car 2050. All right, that's fair. The one thing I'll say that'll make this go a lot faster is if you order food like in one of these driverless cars, you don't have to worry about the car dipping into your french fries. Are you worried about that now? Right. Yeah. I mean, I guess that's always a worry. But really? Oh, yeah. Watch videos all the time where the driver's just housing the person's food. Oh, there's here's the solution. Just don't order french fries. They're going to be dipping into something. All right. That's the thing you're going to watch out for. That's why I like I like to order from the places that do the ceiling. They do the tape and everything. So it's harder for them to to do that. Or yeah, when you order food and it's like coming out of the passenger seat, you're like, oh, no, all right. I'm out of the trunk. You're like, OK, we're good. Good point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, nuances everywhere. There you go. Well, London and Krakow based clean tech startup called Airly's business is designed to help communities around the world improve air quality with affordable sensors and software. If you're not familiar, Airly is currently used by more than 500 local authorities in over 40 countries with 5,000 of sensors covering a total of 40,000 active measurement points, including in Warsaw, Poland, some parts of the UK and some Indonesian cities. Yeah. So that smart city stuff that we kept hearing about like it's actually happening. This is one of the companies that's doing it. Airly co-founder and CEO, Victor Varkalovsky tells TechCrunch the idea came while he and some friends were training for a marathon explaining during the course of our training, we found it hard to cope with the intensity and realized it was down to air pollution. So we devised a system using our own air quality sensors to tell us where the cleanest air was and we used those spaces for our training. So now they want to share what they did with themselves, with the rest of the world. Airly wants to build a dashboard that'll let users monitor more data and get insights on how air quality is affecting their health and how to improve it. A report generator, insights, impact tracker and a city ranking are all part of the plan to supplement online maps and mobile apps that already let people in a community check the air quality around them based on Airly's data. Yeah. So if you're saying, well, I mean, aren't there systems in place to do this? My weather app already tells me air quality. Varkalovsky says that, yes, there are state owned air quality monitoring stations, but they're usually only affordable for large cities. They can have delays of several hours in reporting data. So if something is going on, you're not going to get it immediately. Airly says that its app perceives data every five minutes based on who standards, WHO standards on illegal emissions. Also, the company currently has 500 paying customers using a sensing as a service model where people pay a yearly subscription based on how many nodes that they can access. Pricing starts from $540 that's US dollars per node per year with a one time set up fee for installing devices. Airly does have some competitors, though. Again, even, you know, beyond anything that's a municipality solution, Breezometer is a company that Google acquired last September of this year. Clarity is another, which also is building an end to end air quality and control platform with software and hardware as well. So Chris wanted to send this off to you. What do you think of all of this? Is this something that you're thinking about on a daily basis? So it's something that actually has crossed my mind from time to time, just listening to different news reports. While I really like this and I like the kind of the funny aspect of how they came down this path in the first place, right? The guys that invented it were running. They're like, what's going on with our running? Oh, we can't breathe. Pollution. Let's do something about it. Awesome. And then how it blew up and gone on for there. But what I didn't see is how they intend to hold the companies accountable that are causing the pollution in the first place. Certainly they said they could use the data to go out and address these companies and address the municipalities so that they can put things in place. But the reality is and we all know that a lot of these companies put out this pollution because it's cost effective for them, right? They don't have to manage it. And this is something that I think about because I know folks that live in poor communities and pollution affects poor communities very, very hard. And very drastically, you know, from test taking scores to behavioral problems. This is something that really affects these folks. And I would love to see, you know, are they going to actively shame these companies? Are we going to make this data more public so that, you know, folks can get on these bandwagon and start shaming these companies into doing better? So I love I like the idea, but I really want to love the results of what they're doing with this information. Well, and I think companies like Airley, Brizometer, Clarity making this more affordable for municipalities so that they don't have to have laggy responses or inaccurate responses so that they can cheaply make it available to all their citizens of like, hey, you can get an air quality app. You don't have to wait for an email like that's what I do in LA. I get an email once a day saying, man, we think your air quality is going to be this. Instead, I rely on my Apple Watch to tell me air quality, which is doing something similar to Airley, like pulling it in by the minute. But Airley sounds more accurate. And I think Brizometer and Clarity probably are more accurate enough today to make it what they're doing is if we make the data cheap and accessible, then that sets up people to pay attention. It's one thing to go like, yeah, I guess the air is bad. It's another thing to have everybody talking about it and having a number that they can say like, oh, I see it's getting worse today. Who's going to do something about that? That it doesn't solve the problem you're asking, but it makes it harder for people to read the question. Exactly. Yeah. And that's that's the gap I'm looking to bridge, right? You you can't even do anything without the data. So I love the fact that they're providing the data and making the data cheaper, but, you know, do something else to make make people want your data more. Right. So don't just provide and say, hey, municipality, you should buy this data to make your city. No, no, here's some strategies to help you shame these companies and make them get on board with what we're trying to do. So or and I'm always, you know, on the more positive side, you know, put it in more people's hands so that more people are bringing up the question and pressure, you know, maybe it takes both. I don't know. But yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, folks, it's time to get our holiday card list in order. Each year we send every patron who wants one, a holiday card with exclusive art from Len Peralta. He's made some beautiful art this year. If you'd like that card in your hands and you're a patron, check patreon.com slash pledges to make sure we have your proper mailing address. Now, if you don't feel comfortable sharing that, that's fine. But if you do want the card, make sure we have your mailing address by November 15th and get the exclusive DTNs holiday card mailed right to you from us. Thanks. All right, I feel like this is one of the things DTNs does for people, which is you may not be out there clamoring for this information. But once we tell you, you're going to understand something better, you're going to find yourself being the smartest person in the room on a topic. And there's a whole lot of news about FTX, a whole lot of opinions about what it means, a whole lot of actual dropping of the value of cryptocurrency attributed to it. So for those not already in the know, or those of you who want to make sure that you got the story straight, we're going to attempt to explain this whole FTX mess as simply as possible for y'all. Now, a note to you financial pros and those of you really into cryptocurrency in the audience, you're going to be attempted to well actually us a few times here. And while I welcome your expertise, do keep in mind we're oversimplifying a few things on purpose to make sure that the widest number of people understand. So thank you for your understanding. Sarah is going to brush us up on a few basic things you need to know to understand this story at all. Yeah, and I had to brush up myself, to be honest. So number one, a cryptocurrency exchange is a place where people can buy and sell various kinds of cryptocurrencies. Okay, we all got that. Exchanges make it easy to send digital currencies to other people, but also to cash out in multiple currencies. Big examples of cryptocurrency exchanges, Coinbase, Binance, and of course, FTX. Now FTX is a company headquartered in the Bahamas, founded in 2019 by Sam Bankman Freed, running cryptocurrency exchange internationally called FTX, and also one in the US called FTX.us. You sometimes hear them interchanged, but they are different. The problems are focused on the international exchange. So when we say FTX from now on in this conversation, we mean the international one. Bankman Freed, which sounds like a bank, but it's actually a man, also founded a company called Alameda Research, which is not an exchange. It's a trading firm. It pursues risky investments for high returns, not legally related to FTX, except that it shares that founder. Those are the basics. But Chris, you have an important clarification, I think. That's right. An exchange and a trading firm are different businesses. An exchange is supposed to hold a client's money and make it easy to exchange it. Exchanges make their money on transaction fees. Now a trading firm borrows money and makes investments, hoping that its investments will pay off. So it can pay off its debts and make a profit. In traditional markets, an exchange has to keep client funds separate from other company assets. They can't invest client funds. If they do, they get fined. However, cryptocurrency exchanges are not subject to the same regulations. So now that we know that, let's talk about what exactly happened. Yeah, essentially, word got around that FTX had around $16 billion in consumer assets under its control, but had loaned out around $10 billion, so more than half of it, to its sister company Alameda Research. And the other part of this rumor was that Alameda's investments weren't looking like they paid off. Whether this is true or not, almost doesn't matter. Wall Street Journal sources say it's true. But people were believing it. And so the toilet paper phenomena began. A lot of folks decided to get their money out, just in case there was a run on FTX because of the rumor about Alameda and other leveraged assets that caused a run on FTX. The worry that there would be a run on FTX caused a run on FTX about $5 billion worth of withdrawal requests happened on Sunday. FTX could only fulfill around 80% of those which caused FTX to have to pause withdrawal requests, which of course fueled the panic even more. As Fadi Masih, Vice President at Moody's Investor Service said, the lack of regulatory oversight and the sector's overall opacity, in other words, the opposite of transparency, facilitate risky financial strategies, exposing firms to an environment in which rumors of illiquidity can become self-fulfilling prophecies. Okay, so it sounds pretty bad for FTX at this point. I mean, is there any way they get out of that? It almost did. Bankman Fried says the company needs about $8 billion to get liquid. So it started pitching companies on a takeover. Give us $8 billion to make it through. And you get a chunk of the company to profit from in the future. Maybe all of the company to profit from in the future. One of the biggest exchanges and already an investor in FTX Binance temporarily agreed to do that. You heard us talk about that in the quick hits earlier this week. However, their acquisition was contingent on looking over FTX's finances. And it took them less than 48 hours of looking to determine that FTX's problems were, quote, beyond our control or ability to help. Alright, so Binance got what we would what some people would call cold feet. Me and my homies would say they punked out. But what about another bolder company? Binance is an FTX only investor. BlackRock, Canada's Ontario Teacher's Pension Plan, SoftBank and hedge fund billionaires Paul Tudor, Jones and Easy England are all investors too. And FTX has reportedly been pitching non investors like other exchanges, including Coinbase. Yeah, so far, no takers. In fact, quite the opposite. One of FTX's investors Sequoia officially marked its $214 million investment, a smaller investment, but still an investment as worth zero. That is a step you take to help your tax burden. If you're certain the investment is not going to bring a return. Because once you do that, it makes things complicated if it does. It's not the kind of step you want to take. If you're trying to send a message of stability, it's certainly not the message of potential savior would want to hear. So Bankman Fried took to Twitter on Thursday to essentially pitch whoever's listening. He says that FTX's total holdings are enough to satisfy its debt. Now you may ask, well, how can that be true if he needs $8 billion to stay liquid? A holding is not the same as cash. It's sort of like needing a payday loan. A check is coming. And you'll get back on track, you just need to pay that electric bill before the lights go out, right? Even if FTX survives though, the damage to its reputation is severe. The US Securities and Exchange Commission is investigating FTX's lending products, its management of customer funds. Alameda research is done for Bankman Fried announced Thursday that Alameda research is winding down trading. So it's over. And then remember FTX.us is separate. FTX.us is separate from FTX International and Bankman Fried assured everyone that the problems are limited to FTX International, not to FTX.us. Okay, well, even if that's true, anybody who follows this space in any capacity has seen cryptocurrencies tanking. Why? Why if this is an FTX problem? Right. It's it's because of the cascade effect. FTX owes a lot of money to other crypto firms that in itself isn't a problem, right? People borrow and leverage and stuff all the time. If you're stable, if you're properly regulated and properly financed, it's not a big deal. However, if it defaults on all those debts because it has so many of them and it's leveraged in so many places, suddenly a lot of other firms are going to have problems in their liquidity, because a big chunk of the money they expected to come back to them from FTX, even if over time, is no longer going to be coming. That triggers a cascade. A similar scenario played out earlier this year with Terra. We talked about that back in May and June. But FTX is bigger than Terra. The good news is Moody's doesn't think this is going to spill over into the traditional financial market. So it'll be bad, but it will be limited to being bad in the crypto space. So the crazy thing about this is that this cryptocurrency was supposed to be the replacement because these same exact type of things are happening with regular money, you know, banks over leveraging, taking customer money, investing it where they shouldn't have been. And so it's like, when you look at something like this, I understand why people are more and more are starting to get cold feet about leveraging crypto. Yeah, well, because the idea was we don't need regulation. Blockchains are transparent. And while blockchains are transparent, I'm a big proponent of the blockchain as a technology, companies can still hide things. They could they can still invest in ways that aren't on the blockchain. And that seems to be what happened with FTX. Yeah. So I was asked, do you really want no regulation? Because this is what no regulation looks like. Yeah. And you're actually seeing a bunch of crypto fans calling for regulation right now. Yeah, seems like, well, I mean, I am really not a financial expert. This has been a fascinating story to follow. And even though I dabble in crypto, and I certainly like to feel like I understand for the most part what's going on. It's been a tough story to follow, honestly. And I think if there's any silver lining, and I don't have any skin in this FTX game at all, thank goodness. I think that I feel a little bit wiser about how this all works in some sort of a post bank world that we are going towards. And really, even if you don't care about FTX or cryptocurrency, hopefully this helps you make a little sense of those headlines when you see them from now on. And the hopeful thing I would add is that if once they've worked through this, like they did with Tara and Luna earlier this year, there will be changes, especially to the already fairly stable companies like Coinbase and Binance, there will be regulatory regimes put in place. And what does survive, whether FTX survives or not, will probably be more stable as a result. All right, let's check out the mailbag. Let's do it. So this is in response to conversation we had earlier in the week about wake words and how assistance might get a little bit smarter over time. Brian writes, regarding assistance that activate without the trigger word, I have that issue with mine. I have a Samsung note 20 before that a no 10. And both have had issues with Google Assistant activating without saying the hey G. Many times while driving listening to podcasts, just the word G will triggered it. Well, I use Google Mac maps while driving and one podcast was mentioning mobile services. They mentioned Google mini triggers my assistant then AT&T. And the next thing I know, my maps is showing AT&T store locations. Maybe I went through a cosmic ray that flipped a bit during that assistance. And then we got an email from Jamie. When I take my dog best to the park, she occasionally is bold, which means naughty in Ireland. And I need to shout her name so she can ignore me and keep on doing whatever she was doing. Sounds like my dog almost every time I'm running towards her shouting, Bessie, stop that. My watch thinks I'm summoning the S lady. And then the S lady doesn't understand what I was not asking her. Will this get better if the wakephrase is shortened? Not holding my breath. That's so funny. Bestie sounds like a grand time. Bestie sounds like my dog, Chris. Do you have wake word situations where you're like, stop it. I wasn't talking to you. Yeah, especially it's always awesome when you're talking in a meeting to a customer and then I was like, I didn't get that. It's like, I wasn't talking to you. That's why you didn't get it. And then you start having these mean snarky conversations back with it with a speaker in the back of your room. Yeah, no, happens to everybody, I think. And indeed, indeed. In fact, that happened to me just this morning when I was on the phone and my watch was like, sounds like you're looking for it. I'm like, stop that. Just stop. They need. I'm not sure how much data all these companies are getting from people just screaming at their various devices being like, be quiet. No, probably good. Probably the best part about sending a wake word is probably the fact that, you know, I clearly speak differently on a podcast or at work and I do amongst my homies. And so, you know, looking to be able to say, hey, look slim and then like, what can I get for you? I would love to be able to do that. Programmable. That's going to be the big innovation when they can do on device programmable wake word. It's a big advance in AI. 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