 Wel, gyda'n gofio gyda'r TV. Efallai, mae'n gilydd yna. Mae'n gilydd y transfer. Mae'n gilydd eich gilydd wedi'u gilydd. A mae'n gilydd ddiwrnod. Mae'n gilydd ddiwrnod. Mae'n gilydd a'n gilydd. Mae'n gilydd yna yn diolno'r rhai. Mae'n gilydd i'r rhysnod o'r ddych chi a'r oed o'r biel. Mae'n ddifft o'r ffordd. Ac rwy'n cael ei wneud, fel Alan, dwi'n dweud i gael yw ddweudio. Rwy'n gweithio eich bod y peth yn cyfnodd, yn ymgynghoriadau, dwi'n cael ei ddweudio'r cyffredinion ar y cwmwysig. Ond mae'r James Boymans wedi gwneud i gael, yna'r prosesol yw ddysgwyd yma. Mae'r ddifrif yn dwylo ddweudio'n cyffredinol, os gallwn yn cael ei ddweudio. Rwy'n cael ei ddweudio. Rwy'n cael ei ddweudio. Toaddw i'n ddeg yn ddifŵr, mae'n gwybod yma'r proses, ond hefyd i'w gwneud yn ystyried yn maen nhw, ond efallai o'n ddiddordeb llwyddo, ond efallai'n gwybod, ond hefyd o'r rhywbeth yma'n ddigon, ond hefyd yn dyfodol, ond mae'n ddigon, ond mae'n ddigon, ond mae'n ddigon. Y Quil Barn is not honest, hard-wag in, with that. And the other one is very much not British style It's manic football, but it's entertaining. And the whole house of da mans Darren Mont, because he's a perfectionist. Wel mae'n ddim yw'r ddweudhau os ystod y byddai, mae'n mynd i'n bod gyda'r grannu gwahanithau, ond mae'n ddim sy'n gwybod i'n dda'r dyfodol yn ddebyg. Ond mae'n ddebyg o'r llwydd. Mae'n gwybodaeth mwy o'r rai. John, rwy'n modd i chi'n gwybod i'r ddaf yn fwy o'r ddwg, mae'n ddweudio. Mae'n ddweudio'r ddweudio'r ddweudio ond mae'n ddweudio'r ddweudio'r ddweudio. a taeth yn radd, ag fan amser yn mollus companywn, rhaid fel y gallwn... ..ad ag fan i'r ниad ddweud yma. Yn sambun, yn ddych yn rhan a bod hwn wedi bodraeth… ..'a dweud gan y siehode a'r yng Suk reasonably heb NightEC Yn y gallwch yn dweud, ac mae'n gwneud hynny'n digwydd gael amddangos fel gyda'r hynny, a'r gwahanol yn y strasysfer ac yn y byw fel hyn. Ond mae'n bwysig o'r cyfnod o'r ffordd yn ystod o'r cyffredinol, a'r byw i'r ffordd o'r cyffredinol yn y gwael hwn. Mae'n fyddo i ni'r ffordd o'r cyffredinol sy'n ei ddweud o'r bwysig. Mae'n dweud i'r cyffredinol i wych yn ystod yn eu gwneud. A'n gobeithio ddim yn gwybod, dwi'n fwy o'n eu hun o'n ei hun am ychynig i'r gwahanhau i ddechrau'u peirgynedd ygafodd neu lefnodd, yna ymddangos i gydag o'r nedla责au, ond mae o'r lle agennodd neu dwi'n farddwch yn meddwl. Ond ydy'r ysgrifenni bod yng Nghymru yn ymgyrch yn ymwiel yn ddweud hynny yng nghymru yn ddechrau mor hwylo a'i tyfyn'u cyffredig oedd yr sgwad ni'n felly yn fawr i gydag. If I'm sitting in the restaurant at Finch Farm in the first team section chatting to you as one of our strikers and we're trying to figure out that this time next week we could be playing We could be playing dice ball or we could be playing bielce ball. One thing's for sure half the squad are going to be let's just make it binary. Half the squad are going to be happy the other half are going to be really peed off because some all love the 442. Gweithio cymdeithasol rhywbeth y 442, iawn yn restricted, ac mae orau sydd yn gweithio'r ei wneud nesaf, mewn hyn mae'r ysgolion hefyd, a'r hyn yn llegio'r sleidw, so mae'n fawr yn fawr yn dechrau. Rwy'n meddwl i'r lle'r bod hynny yn gwneud, a mae'r hyn yn fawr wedi bod y gwaith, yn ddefnydiadio'r effeithio, mae'n gwaith o'r ddiogel. ystod y gweithio greig. Gall hon y pryd. Nid yw Mr Masherry wedi gwybod. Mae hynny yn liiad arbennig a yn swyddiad eu先 dessus yn y drafod. Mae yna y gallwn agelwyddo! A mae'r newydd yn holl, ac mae'n rhaid i'n meddwl... Dwi'n ddysgu. Ar y cyflog, mae yna yn rhan o'r ffrwng. Fyny'n ddweud i'r ffwylo ffyrdd hefyd mewn ffordd. Mae'n ddysgu am 15-20 mae'r ddweud. Felly mae'r ffyrdd hefyd... Mae yna yn Ebyn yn ôl o am 5-6 mwyn. six months because any manager we appoint now last more than two years will have done really, really well if you look at recent history. So I think you've got to not just look at the squad you've got, you've got to look at the squad you want to attract and I know maybe we'll get onto it in a second about do we need to appoint a manager before we can get players because under the director of football model one might suggest you don't have to but surely incoming players are going to say what's the style you're going to play and Kevin can give them that now because he's the man who dictates it according to the structure but the pushback's going to be well if you say that's going to be the style of play why are you talking about Bielsa or if you say that's going to be a style of play why are you talking about Daish you know so it's mad it's mad yeah now it does it does seem all over the place the approaches obviously David Dornstein said today Ralph Fashon Hutt will definitely won't become Everton's next manager so that's one yeah we'll just go round a loop there where where people invent I'm going to be rude and maybe I am being rude but they invent stories they run with them for a few days and then they say nah the guy said no yeah nobody knows whether anything anyone you know was done but that's where we are though aren't we whatever fire it up and then they shut it down you know we're in a situation where we're in a situation where we've allowed all of these three shots at us yes because you know we we keep making stupid mistakes um apparently reports out of Ardian Tina are saying that Bielsa wants the job in the summer doesn't want to take it now that was out the other day that ever working at his surface today I never want him to tell insist that he takes it now or that's it his chance has gone I wonder if that's simply because we don't think we can get somebody else to take six months maybe you know whatever it's not even six months is it Tim Vickery's been speaking today obviously South American correspondence well that's what I was going to ask you that just then whether it was Tim he's saying that Bielsa will be very suspicious of Everton's hierarchy because obviously managers don't last and different things anybody would be but anyone we've already had this with Graham Potter before um before the point of Benitez you know we know that Marcel Brands was interested in Graham Potter and we know that Potter looked at ever numbers like yeah I don't think that's for me because you've got no time before before you get you know people are on your back now rack and you can look at two ways can't you can look at that and go well you've got to be brave enough to think well I I won't be getting sacked because I'm going to do this this and this but then why should I suppose why should managers well we just talked about this briefly over lunch on in the car on the way back in you know a simple proof point for any inbound manager is just demand a three-year contract straight off yeah why would you take less than three years yeah okay maybe two and a half ie two full seasons and the remainder of this season because if this football club has chosen me after no doubt what will be announced as an exhaustive recruitment process and I'm the man I want at least two full seasons to to fix what is perceived to be a mess you know yeah and if we just maybe we should do this for a show get one of the guys to do better research of which players will contractually not be here you know at the end of next season the season after the season after because there's a huge turnover going to take place isn't that regardless of what division we're in I am at his shoulder you know so give me three years and if you're not prepared to give me three years jog on because all these guys we talk about them being unemployed but that's after they've been earning millions a year up until recently isn't it yeah none of them have to do it just to pay the bills yeah right so so and if I'm sure and dash I do not want this job simply because you couldn't find anybody else I really don't um so let's see let's see yeah it's a yeah it's it's it's just very very strange it's very very strange we must have some criteria for the manager right the kind of manager we want be at age you know experience style of play and management skills because a lot of it is about people and management I think and so on I think what the the thing is though is that Everton probably looking well will be looking in panic now you know who's going to keep us in this Premier League you know are we going to we can we can worry about the next phase and this is what happened when we appointed Sam Alladais that time we we didn't look at the whole thing we just went into panic stations in November and just went get them in get them in now and there was more than half a season left and Everton comfortably stayed up um and then we decided that we didn't want them after the season um now it's the same but it's who is where Everton's positioned obviously much worse than then right now the squad's weaker in terms of forward players it's like who can you get in now who will take that and you're right you know if you're a manager who's sat there you would turn around and go I'm not coming for six months you can give me two and a via contract I don't care if it's day past especially maybe not Sean Dice because I imagine him he's looking and thinking well I want to you know I want another job yeah I want another job um to get me teeth into I don't it's 51 so it's a good age years younger than the else you know so it's who else is available and what that leads you to um and people will look in the short term and I'm sure Farad Mishiri's just thinking well we need to stay up you know we've got a we're moving to a new stadium next year we need to be in the Premier League oh no guarantees whoever you pick no no and that's the thing if Sean Dice was 100 guarantee we wouldn't be having this conversation we just go well we get him we stay up you see what happened um the last time the we got into this mess was you know the get big some get big some get big some and that was I think a reactive um panachy type decision it was early and he did have the aura of a man that if you bring him in you will not get relegated they brought him in we did not get relegated no his aura's gone because he took West Brom down went more games yeah yeah and nobody else brings that if you like subjective guarantee no so so you you know the top of the decision making list is are we getting a manager for six months even though we have to pay him for 18 yeah or whatever um or are we getting someone for three years who we're going to stick with whether we go down or not you know that sort of thing um my money would be on you should be doing the latter because you don't know what's going to happen yeah um and actually I think ped used the phrase yesterday about kicking the can down the road if our new manager's got an 18 month contract how many of the players in the dressing room say well that's six months really he's not going to be here next year um so so you got to look at through the lens and see what image you're trying to project to be honest and it's it's a classic if you were going there don't start from here one person who won't be the new ever manager is a Duncan Ferguson who looks like you will be confirmed the forest green manager today um really good good that he's on the ladder got to get on the ladder first mate and his chances there hasn't he it's listened it's yeah the bottom at the moment he played a couple of more games than other teams around him but they're still i think they're still wise it's not too bad is it i think they're still now the one winner think yeah i've gotten out of the trouble i think there's 18 games to go i think they play 46 something something like that or whatever it is or 44 there's a there's a good number of games yeah if I was him and I'm sure he is doing this right now you're having that conversation of if this doesn't go the way we want it to you know we're building for next season as well and we have to be ready to come straight back up and I'm sure the people of forest green that will be um that will be part of the conversations but I think if you're a forest green player and Duncan Ferguson walks into that session the least you're going to do is run around like you're a looni for them you know you'll have to look up to him he's got that aura and he's a good he's obviously a good coach being coaching Premier League players and it's up to him now for all the people who doubt him or whatever it's up to him to put this is his chance now to do it and hopefully fingers crossed he takes it and does well for them um but you think he should take it don't you yeah I know there's lots of things because of the distance families and all that rubbish but you have to get on that ladder well if he's got any aspirations of not not necessarily being evidence manager but managing higher leagues you can't just sit around thinking as he as he's taking the job okay it's done well now that he likes Tony Grant so you know that's it he's got someone in who he knows and likes and he's done a bit of coaching in a different place so good good good look to him and hopefully hopefully that will be the start of his um you know getting on the ladder and all that this chance is there for him exactly so you've got to do it haven't you you've got to do it and it's up to him now to uh wonder if he'll become a vegan it's just back on to evidence so it does let it's looking according to report that it's between BLSR and DICE let's say it is for just for the sake of this let's have a look at the the stats it will go to BLSR first um on the screen now 492 games won 236 of them 102 draws 154 defeats with a win percentage of 48 percent uh obviously mad attack and man to my mark and football where everyone marks someone it's crazy it leaves you wide open you're on for a six nil defeat comfortably you're also could win six nil it's that type of mad mad football yeah uh and let's have a look at Sean Dice who's uh played four four hundred and seventy four games under his belt one a hundred and sixty nine of them a hundred and thirty were drawn uh he's lost a hundred and seventy five of them so he's lost more than he's won and his win percentage is what's that jacket him thirty three percent that's not great is it which isn't very good um i guess the thirty six percent of this that's us not thirty three jacks have me off the thirty six percent um so thirty six thirty six percent yeah that's more than uh quite a few of our recent game yeah samales was that benites was 31 lampard 27 um but but people for all it for that yeah it's barely and small budget and playing in a tough league which is the premier league bladi bladi bladi again just to reiterate i've got no absolutely no clue who will do with good job forever and i really haven't the what me that's the exact reason if i mean they won't get the job if i'd have interviewed them because i do make the decisions on um ever managers if i'd have interviewed them i'd have had a choice obviously everyone thinks it's a tough one but it's actually bad uh yeah i'm asking well like you should you know to get there i wouldn't have gone here and started here and all um but listen i don't know again the the there's a bit of apathy for me the thing yeah there's massive apathy the concerns i would have about both of them so if i do it that way it's probably the better way to do it shawndaish isn't the guarantee regardless of what people tell you he's not a guarantee to keep everything up it's not he's not this he's been relegated twice with bernley i'm i'm giving put them last year on him he'd won three or four games by the time he was shocked in april um i have concerns as to whether he can progress his style okay but the good side of him is that he's hard way teams are always hard way and we know that ever they'll give everything the players will give everything for him because that's what generally that's what he had been doing the creator that he thought if you get that shit on your way hard maybe with a little bit better players and maybe a bigger budget as we move forward he might be able to develop a better style um that's what i would say loads of experience in a premier league bielset i would be more comfortable with if this was the summer not convinced mid season with and let's be honest if he does come in what are you gonna have three or four days maybe before arsenal to get his points across with this squad i don't know normally he's got six or seven weeks his teams are wide open and needs were in trouble and you know we've come up with a short list of two managers who were shocked okay breaking news matt low martel opiel to the travel to london for more talks over the evident job still needs a lot of convincing over the squad but hope the club hope to get final clarity soon on whether he will accept the offer or not oh so it's not about us appointing a manager that's about them yeah so there you go it's so sure mate bielser says no you know circumstances we find ourselves in absolutely we've just had this conversation off here and you said you will be like bielser though i did absolutely didn't you should have begun interview you yeah what's going on here absolutely right you see on one that's an indictment of where we've come to yeah i've read lots on bielser the last couple of days just as you do just to try to give myself a little bit more knowledge about because you see one of the things i don't like i don't like the fact he stays at the floor when the game's going on but what i am i'm big admirer of is a 67 year old fella them knees he crouches no he's no problem standing up and sitting down knees are incredible plus you know we probably see him shopping around here because he just goes into the local shops doesn't he fair play to absolutely but now i've done a lot of reading about his there is concerns he's never won anything so he's held up as the football genius genius but he's never been able to win anything did a good job at Leeds but did destroyed them as well in terms of nachodd them i mean not destroyed them as a wrecked them as a club i mean nachodd the players as they were doing but they got into that so it's a trade off but the other side to it is he's put standards into Leeds and things he expected and things that he which are there and obviously i think if they get to the Jesse Marsh and get another type coaching not different but somebody does this i think he could probably actually do well they're still the hardest way i can see him in the league probably and that's good because they've kept that going a little bit a little bit more quality maybe they do even better i think if you're looking at it overall you'd go well he might come in and do put some really good things in really good things in place at Everton demands that thing should be better i think he would challenge people i don't know whether the everton board are ready for the way he is with challenging them it might be a good thing for us looking at it and going well some some people are going to get a very big surprise if he becomes the manager but we're following the process he works for Thelwell yeah i don't think he cares i think board members will get it he's confident in himself in that sense there may be an advanced credit note here then due to whoever's trying to sell to him because if he accepts it they must have given him a good story and i don't think it will just be a story who strikes with a guy who wants evidence yeah yeah they'll be interesting if they push that over the line they should get a modest round of applause just for convincing him forget whether you agree with that he's the right man or not in the circumstances we find ourselves yeah if he's giving them real challenge and and he goes you know what i believe you but here we are again yeah no filth what a besymos am an admirer of the fact he's got knees at that age that are that good i don't think i i don't think i could crouch that long for a game and just look i don't like the way he looks at the floor don't the games going nice what's he thinking about is he going me knees are a nor is he thinking about did it did it leave the zone did it leave the bloody fire on when did it leave the the cooker on maybe um yeah listen i don't know i don't know why is it matt law mike but talking generally generally come on mate um but yeah he's you know i don't know i don't know it could be anybody couldn't it could be anyone you'd look at now you'd probably look and go oh i'm not sure i'm not i always think where the story comes from which is why i said why matt law if he got closer people or we might have people who are closer be elsa mate that's what i mean maybe knows or whatever don't know that doesn't just because he's coming here doesn't necessarily mean yeah he's got it don't forget he was he was very close to taking the ball on this job and then he stepped away from it in november so just because he's having sex doesn't necessarily mean that's what's going on maybe they didn't satisfy him kp on the stupid chat you haven't said anything say something mate and then i can read it out but thank you very much for the stupid chat um yeah so we'll see we'll see i mean if that is again though i still i do still find it mad that they are very different type of managers and that's what we've that's where we're up to with it but that's just based on rumor and journalistic you know views of the world yeah you know we say let's go through you know at newls old boys 40% win ratio atlas 37.7% america 30.3% vellas saffield 52.3% espanol 25% argentina just under 66% win ratio chili just under 55% win ratio atletico bill bowie he's done a good job 38% win ratio marsay 51% win ratio leil 21.4% win ratio leed united 47.6% win ratio he was there for two days he got off you see that's my buddy what happens if he's taken the job in two days later said nah he comes here and goes that's not what you told me yeah he's had everything and he's like nah i don't think so i don't think so but i guess like leeds fans they absolutely love them they love them so i don't know i mean i've seen a couple of things from western fans in the in the comments saying please come and take david mwys which isn't exactly a glowing endorsement from fans is it when they ask for you to come and take their manager off them um do you want to listen to this i don't know whether it would cheer you up and well it won't cheer you up i don't think well come on why are you left lea latsio come on be also later explain that the club had been unable to recruit the players he had wanted by the deadline he had given to the club and did not feel that his needs would be supported during the transfer window i can then say no chances evidence manager then i mean five days latsio was suing for 50 million for breacher contract but i guess they didn't didn't go through with it didn't actually go through with it but isn't that the conversation that was going around a matter of days ago that he backed away because he wasn't believing that he had the right players if we then sit in front of him and say we are going to get you the right players and those players don't arrive whoa so by says a news all boys 90 stadium after them he has murals and leads you listen he could he could come in and be brilliant for everton he could change everton going forward you know no do we we don't know and that's the thing it's like it's very very difficult isn't it with to know because everton have had different types of managers not worked um well i just well you know we talked about this in here and and i i'm sorry i'm just just running sarare on my head thinking you know how we could pan out almost but i said if i'm bielsa and this one when he allegedly wasn't impressed with the squad effectively for his style of play yeah and i said well i'm bielsa come back on the first of feb then all right i'll take your job on the first of feb oh okay want to know which squad you know if we then go out and buy players that he wants and then he goes and then he gets off and then he goes off anyway so it's a really difficult place to be isn't it because you can't even say we've got him under contract if he takes the manager's job because we've seen he'll just walk away anyway wow as he Dylan says bielsa will be quiet is it with this guy bielsa will walk in and after two days of looking at mech niel and say nah i'm all right mate that's Dylan that's not that's not me there'll be a few of them there'll be a few of them might come in and go no what michael keen's amazing up front and he michael keen could become the modern day poleboardist sense of it doesn't matter hey you can finish the lack and put the ball in there more goals than Anthony Gordon yeah but he'd have to do the 50 yards sprint to arrive nah you know the way he plays the low block by sitting on the edge sitting on the edge of our box you can play the high block and just sit on the edge of this and then actually barns up front externally players here oh don't bring actually barns into this come on jion honest professional come on jion labs i nes but says go for clop fair enough he can't score goals i don't think clop will put the bone in there for us or something we create a chance of forum just centre back any way wasn't it yeah it's it is a it is a bit of a mad one given again the styles and all that out the tube if you had to choose one out the two jion if if you have an off you had to sort in your face um not dice really yeah about you the you know what it's what's what's really bad is you're gonna say the both for different reasons though of course dice for you made me pick one of the okay well i shall I go dice then and then we've both gone for someone different one of us will be right toffy gv called it right got it wrong yeah um none of the above it'd be mad i think i think what i would say i think it'd be more exciting much and be else is ever and then dice is ever i can see though pragmatic people at the football club rightly or wrongly seeing as dice as a less risky decision and it all comes down to are we forget what contracts say are we really getting a manager for six months or are we getting one for two and a half years i think you're getting it for two and a half years yeah and i just i don't see that being dice myself but i'll still back him if you get appointed yeah but you do that for anyone who's our manager uh tom says from going to going for Europe with anti-lotti hammers ritualism dean et cetera to the championship with dice tak off scheme McNeill playing hoof ball 4 4 2 in the space of two years is something you'll never see the likes from another football club again it's the Truman show playing the simple someone did it on twitter uh you know like a show reel of hammers yesterday and it seems that a lifetime ago there was a Netflix pro program we didn't get a bottom it was just some it was just a show and i have this fella was there this actor he got him for a year was there he looked quite good uh david says afternoon all seems entirely on brand that has the rest of the league embrace youth energy in pace everton prepare to turn to a manager whose teams are generally fueled by a mixture of banter and links links java very high average ages the club needs wins dice achieved four last year in 30 games if bielser is top choice go and get someone else who takes similar boxes if he won't do it have visions of the recruitment team we do have one a question mark with two different lists waiting for the white smoker godderson park hope you both it does feel a bit mad david that they are so different does that to me that's how we opened it just weeks of panic you know um so who's the who's um so bielser says no and then you go for your second choice with the same style that's what you should do yeah that's what you think i don't know whether anyone plays the way bielser plays but i want to have said before to death to death go yeah absolutely well be there's a list of managers who are young must be 10 of them or something is there runies there to death goes there there's obviously more experience than runy but you've got addie hutter who is there yeah andre various bowis is there yeah you know he's a little bit older he's been and done in loads of experience i'm just leaving crucial and now and now and now potatino and now and now hard helm you know hard hat on and all that but there's a lot of managers out of work right now who you might never get this opportunity with now fair enough everton might turn around and go social be contacted wasn't interested potatino we asked wasn't interested hutter wasn't interested to death go wasn't interested bladi bladi the everton could come back and go we asked all of them you're talking about these are the last two standing because we've got no money or the situation we're in or whatever whatever whatever right but no one is kind of hinting that we've gone after those bigger or those um more longer term managers i would say in terms of whatever i want to do now people might come back to me and go yeah but your bottom joint bottom of the league you've the first priority has to be remaining in this league forget about whether you're good going forget about whether you're trying to improve the club i can't disagree with that but i just think when you when you're looking at a long term strategy you've got to for me you have to put things in place that enable you to develop anyway as a football club because otherwise you're starting again at some point in the either in the summer or if this doesn't work out in 12 months and we were doing it 12 months ago do you think um if we appointed bielsa he would treat the last five months of this season as preseason for next season i've just got this thought that he'll just go you know what nah i don't think so we're yeah if we get away with it we get away with it but actually what i'm really doing is prepping for next season well what i what i am which is out of odds with the primary objective staying in the division see what i imagine and probably what a longer term manager probably should do really is that that's why i'm a star going right i want to play bielsa 3331 i don't need him in me so i'm going to play this way i'm going to get the principles into it if we get results brilliant brilliant if we don't if regardless whether we stay up or we go down everyone will know what we're doing everybody will know what we're doing we'll have a preseason we'll hit the ground running we'll make some shit there's going to be need to be changes in recruitment anyway we'll blitz the championship and we'll do whatever blitz the championship come back up and ffp'll be reset and we'll have a go be able to have a go with it like forrest haven't been getting extra amounts of players and we'll do whatever whatever whatever that is probably the best way to look at it but i a lot of people won't want to hear that and i don't i don't really want to hear it i don't want to hear it but i just think if you're if you're trying to say well we're only having a manager that will keep us up and you're gambling that on shown dice what happens if shown dice comes in ever and get relegated anyway you know someone's just pointed out he won't four games in 30 last season so he comes into this everton team we might win two or three games it's not enough we get relegated are we back to square one in the summer do we turn on the summer and go we give you 18 games mate and not nothing you couldn't keep us up the fans aren't exactly enamored with what you're doing so we want to make a change thank you very much another payoff another manager in the summer whoever that may be do we you know it goes back to what we said before is this whatever the contract says a six month gig or if it is a proper you are the one we want because if it's a three-year gig for BLs it'd be nearly 70 won't it at the end 68 and do you like okay so over 70 but as you say he's got very flexible knees so he may be a young 70 i'm 65 in november so i can't really you know no listen it's who he has random isn't it it's who he has random have you got good coaches it's like anything it's the same it's when when people spoke speak about um Wayne Rooney like you go well he's only young he's got good coaches random or if it was um i don't know whoever Dominic Tedesco you know young people go he's only young yeah he's only young he's got but if he's got good coaches random yeah yeah they're the ones who and i guess for someone like BLs it is a character isn't he he's a character and he's very knows what he wants and this that and you're there i imagine he dips in and dips out anyway man it's just like alex figures and people like that way know he's on that's right even a la dice a la dice very really tough training carlo anciolotti very really tough training that he took all the training that's right he just dipped in when he felt it needed same ronal koon yeah he was he was he playing golf you know to do with that but that's the thing so BLs has got a trusted set of staff he works with if they they're young and energetic and all that and clearly they are because they have the players running like absolute lunatics um then he doesn't as long as he keeps himself relatively fit and sharp in his mind and you know we might he may be the evidence or maybe it's my sharey isn't it to be honest maybe my sharey's looking and thinking this fella will put us in good stead for the next few years by putting these principles in i don't know i don't know and then you get the younger version yeah to take up you see whoever's doing whatever at that time in two or three years you're looking you go it might be this person it might be this person this fella's doing really well now when he's interested in coming to everything you know could be someone like steven shumacher who's at a plymouth and it's getting lots of his progression exactly he's getting lots of plodder today it could be you know there's i've seen people mention ryanlow he's at Preston now he's done well at Plymouth and moved around there's other young of course there's lots of younger managers shame is calm on my people unbelievable by the end of the manager you know the screen will be in the championship by that it could be done if i was green flying up the league um now could be listen could be anybody could and that maybe what the look on it maybe it goes back to pet's point when they appointed raffaub and he says they're just thinking we just need to survive till brand me more ever new stadium and them we'll have a launch of a almost a rebrand when we get there of young new manager who's playing black plays this way it's thank you martello you've put us in a great position or thank you big sean you know far had sunny day plan has us in the new stadium and everything gets better exactly exactly doesn't he and he kept i mean what i would say is he kept mentioning in that video the elite the elite the elite as sean daish schmach he was an elite manager he may well put listen again i've said this sean daish obviously a decent manager he done a very good job of bernie took bernie into your with no budget you know getting bernie to finish seventh in the premier league with very little budgets at all is is a really really really really good uh good feat isn't it you know we bite your hand off the seventh now wouldn't we let's be honest just looking at what be else's one not loads really no but seconds you know yeah yeah okay listen i mean let's be honest winning stuff right now for evidence is a pipe team isn't it so getting us getting us mid table playing attack on football i think i think a lot of people will be delighted with that to watch go much excited neverton football okay we might lose some we might win some i'm just i'm not probably where yeah really no but that's probably what they're looking really back out what what does he want because um that championship that he won at leeds blss did he think he'd won for like a long time you know um but whatever it's in the south south side architecture of course it's in it's in the super teatres probably the last season of goddison in the championship get promoted in time for new stadium sign pep guardiola and win everything up the trophy see that's blue sky thinking there i think that apart from the relegation bit but you know pig show up well on the blue sky getting pep um no listen pep two yeah pep two yeah who's pep two it could be out there it could be cobra on who's obviously where could be else yeah um but yeah listen we'll see we'll see again company being mentioned but it's too early it's don't think he'd leave bernie anyway right now too early yeah doing well aren't he uh terri mcallister says dice every day of the week and twice on sunday i think he'll be a far better fitter than people expect and will surprise a lot of people the fact remains that we haven't learned a thing as a club sacked a manager with nobody lined up crazy the owner is driving the decision again and his two choices are so far apart in terms of style that they almost meet on the other side of the world we need to be sold so serious people they're too serious so where's the question yeah maybe one of those two is the director of football's choice and the other one's the the majority shareholders choice and the danger is you're going for one and i'm going for the other devil's advocate stuff you know carl says happy with either of the supposed final team managers in the hat and please we've avoided possession based side which passes strangely drawn going with bls the way i see it if we're going to drop out the league let's at least do it having the time to score some goals i'm with a bit of excitement fair play carl yeah he says quite frankly i'm not really asked who the new guy is it normally only ends one way anyway who else is looking at it and accepting we're getting what we deserve uh edwards says was there any time last season you would rather have dice over lampard as your manager why would you want them now he got them relegated and now they want them as our manager yeah spruce says and we have no games this weekend thank god why don't we host a royal rumble at godderson this saturday all managers links so far which is close to 30 enter the ring and the last man standing is announced and you ever manager my money would still be on wain oh dice is big any hasn't holes big as well um kev rex says i don't want dice or bls i want wain and dunk together well dunks contra forrest green as their manager show he's out of it would love mwys too westam fans i think would like us to take mwys as well but don't think they do all the way together will be like our own back room dynasty will be lovely to think they could work together and get us out of trouble um out of them right now probably dice says paul dixie says runy runy georgie redmond says i'm a forrest green fan now fair play georgie is he vegan are you vegan yeah we need to know that's the one uh martin kitney says the micheri interview was a load of rubbish he said if we needed a strike we'd get one here we are dave from the window shutting matches written off we still don't have one you have to watch premier later then we're going through that yeah we'll be going through the video in a bit means yon fellwell needs to quit if he can't do his job i think he said we need a striker and we'll get one then we can only really judge that once the window shuts can't be next week because he could say an answer they told you to get you a strike you might have two when the window shuts might be uh james warland says we were told on tuesday by micheri that fellwell has to say on football matters at the club but who came up with these two managers the playing style so far different it doesn't make football and scents the only thing you could say they have in common is that they get their players to work hard it is a case again where we have a doff that can't do their job but is it a case again uh steepie said the real sophie's choice lachlund says if you go for a short term manager to stay up get any slot in the summer fit the bill for a short build for a manager to build around will potentially win the editivesy this season with fine odd because we don't even know who he is mate um stewart thompson says dunk in a forest green get in there son the managerial legend begins jake says antony golden is an absolute disgrace who does he think he is get shut and let's get a manager in get a left back a playmaker a striker in a window and let's get out of this mess easy really he sounds easy yeah um stewart says i genuinely can't believe we still haven't signed a player absolute madness we all know deep down only one player the only one player we will get is a longer on loan on deadline day and if that's the chance if that's the case rather we don't stand a chance uh james said it's the goalie toff from rich wilkinson team pitches on twitter looks at belter it is isn't it you've got it yeah it's fab yeah martin says the likes of dice and bielse should shouldn't be associated with our club but we are we are we are here we are and if i had to choose one i'd go for dice i prefer a younger manager with experience like to this go to coming have a plan to back him shone's gone with dice shone dice there you go um jake says together yeah um andy mcrega top man says they're editing missing a real opportunity to control the narrative or to turn the narrative spot on the chaos only beats chaos in the media absolutely right spot on ped what's your opinions on these you want to come and take over the last 15 and give your say go on you you get yourself in i'll leave you to it then yeah page you want to sub me why are you laughing at the houses they always sub the younger one on the these shows you're you're you're in the wrong position you're in the wrong position john you have to sit here if you want to be in the sub that's the sub's one yeah this is the sub seat yeah i'm sitting there next time um just following on from what bas is saying there i've just don't you feel like we're in the same position we are 12 months ago for more than one reason now yes because one reason what i would say is we're given as someone just mentioned there sophie's choice we're given two like because i've had this thrown at me or i had this thrown at me when then lampard got the sack use all wanted lampard as the manager well number one i didn't i never wanted lampard but number two the choice was lampard o perere and that was it and i feel like we're in the same place again we're getting given the choice of bielsa or daish that's not a choice did you hear my answer when bas put me on the spot i said not daish i didn't say bielsa and that's what we're you're talking about isn't it that's the problem it's like well if you don't like bielsa but you're getting daish and if you don't like daish yeah bielsa and we've done it again these forward things it's not us no it's not exactly these incredibly intelligent people who who work so hard at this football club have come up with a list of bielsa and daish according to the media according to the media but the media don't tend to get a lot wrong on these things though whether people like it or not they might throw names about but when it comes to like so my interviews when it gets distilled down to a couple yeah it's and i think almy has said the same thing and and so on you know you're starting oh dear it is actually a or b and i know there'll be people out there who have been saying consistently should we go for daish and bielsa is a bit of a left field one i don't think anyone genuinely thought we would go for bielsa and there might be people out there maybe excited by bielsa now in terms of it won't be boring will it it won't be boring but that's half the problem isn't it but we're down to a choice of two again and they're just they don't give you anything it's not they're not but if it's daish which you probably will end up being daish i imagine i just can't see bielsa coming in and looking at the whole project and going i can work with in this frame because i read i listened to something i listened to what you listened to before bielsa comes from a very affluent family his brother was the was the foreign minister i think for argentina he doesn't have to worry about money so he doesn't pick anything on money he picks it on he picks it on whether he feels he can do the job and whether absolutely whether he can add anything to it which is why i said if if he joins it's because we've done a good job convincing him that we'll have the players and and all that stuff but um yeah but it doesn't it that terrifies me though that terrifies me that that as a fan your own you have to then become like because fans will always people always it's getting worse and worse the tribalism behind it then and it becomes an an argument between these two people and i look at these two people and just feel you know daish on the surface of it he looks like he ticks loads of boxes but when you scratch the surface and you talk about how many wins he gets it's not great you know we spoke about it yesterday me and bas about about um aladdice you know he went to his last job was at west brom he had 25 games and he won four of them that's a man finished that's a man who can't do the job that he's been that he was asked to do and i i just look at these things and just think to myself we're being sold something again like we were last year where it almost feels like you've got loads of options and they're talking to everyone and they're getting the canvas and opinions from everyone but i think if you distill a town to a fellow who who always comes in a pre-season always works the players always runs them once certain things if you're looking for him in january then you're looking for the wrong man and yet the persistent with it or the flip side is daish a man who again who maybe ran out of time at bernley because it happens and i i do agree on that point by the way of of the idea of people can outstay their welcome or they can or the job just gets away from them i think that happened to be able to lead to a point the players get very tired get tired of the same voice and they're just exhausted by it but i don't think be able to is the man to bring him right now and i just daish just so uninspiring it's unbelievable the division has gone away from daish type style you know and that's presumably why halidaish has suffered as well because it trickles down through the divisions as well doesn't it which is all about high energy flexibility movement all those sorts of things and both those guys are very much about rigid every man knows his job you know steady uninspiring grind out results type characters and of course as we've known over many years now since farad mishiri turned up all these managers will get players that they want and we'll be stuck with them if it's another year on and we're doing it again so it's really difficult it's classic i've always gone there wouldn't start from here and i think for me i mean bas apathy of you will just shrug me shoulders that i can't affect it and i'm just going to wait and see do you know do you know with um do you know if the appointment gets made and it's not kevin felwell's appointment should kevin felwell resign um that's a difficult one um i was i could say if it was me what would i do if i had resigned because i would have been working my watsits off for the last year seeking to avoid being in this dramatic situation but knowing that i had got plans and processes and all those sorts of things that give us the best chance and i keep getting told by the board even if only by proxy you know the majority shareholder that i am principally about recruitment and that includes the manager and i've said get peter mcpartland and you've appointed mathew lamb well what's the point of me being here then really you know uh and by the way you're going to give peter mcpartland the players he wants even though i say they're not the right ones so what we we have based on history is that bls that has those morals yeah if we making promises and don't deliver it he'll just walk away and then it's on again and again which is why you might be right if it's one of those two the safer um decision for the board it's probably dash because the other fella's going to be far more challenging um but i don't you know i don't even know whether felwell would have picked either of these guys yeah that's that's the worry for me how can a director of football have have um any kind of you know credibility credibility and how can he go forward if they are bringing in people around them and this was the problem with master brands and it continues again and they're just the whole thing again points the finger at at the owner and mostly the owner and obviously the board are not letting people do the job and if you're going to if you're going to move forward as a football club and you can do as many interviews as you want and tell us what it how he loves the football club if you're not going to let the football club be ran properly then you're going to you're just going in the same direction felwell had two prior what one who the majority shareholder now refers to as a scout rather than a director of football and the director of football who was loaded not particularly in european you know one country yeah um but kevin saw how they were treated and he he must have demanded you know to know what his roles and responsibilities his role and responsibilities are and you know how much empowerment he had and you know clearly you know he recommends things and the board after ratify them and the majority shareholder said that and how they do players really didn't he you know he can he or the manager can propose a player but if the chairman doesn't sign it off it never gets to the majority shareholder therefore you don't get the player right and that's a reasonable sensible safety net really about them doing the wrong thing what you're describing is it going the other way yeah i the owner yeah decides on a player or or a manager or or whatever and there's no if you like casting vote for the director of football so um yeah you have to walk in those circumstances you know or you just keep taking taking the the money and putting up with it as many people do so many different you know industries kp says we will get relegated no matter who comes in plays not good enough more chance of staying up with dice then be also though great show guys and she cast has be also in my opinion experience and good footy without stars but again we've it's been boiled down to just the two people hasn't it the poll on youtube's got over a thousand votes now 67 percent of people believe they want dice as the manager um yeah let's see let's see um just before we finish john just wanted to ask you about this news that came out overnight msp sport capital yeah i've been linked with everything maybe the people maybe the people um that fired michael he was talking about uh just maybe yeah i'm sure we'll do more on this but what are your initial thoughts on it it's clearly credible credible organisation i mean yeah um and anyone who goes and reads the website and stuff will know that um you know that they are ultimately venture capitalists yeah who want to return on their investment so they'll try and drive uh improved shareholder value in the football club and the way that comes is by being more efficient hopefully winning games being in the premier league and so on so things we want as fans would align with their their requirements well just some details on them they own four football clubs or parts and some of them not own sorry not own invest they control one and they've got investments in others and not particularly big clubs but they've got they have them they have shares in mclannan um one of the guys who owns who's one of the is owns the or his part again of the phoenix sons and is about to get a massive win for from that because they're about to be sold for four billion dollars right yeah so he's going to get a big win for from that they are proper people in fact one of them the main the main guy was um was um a consultant for jelly maguire because he was a sports agent this guy that's right yeah he was a sport didn't he have a walk on part of the other part and his partner at the time um was actually in the film he was the one who who sort of narrated it sort of around the edges of the sport stuff and at least a couple of them the chair and the partners have been a good listen so these are these are proper people aren't they but how do you see it in terms of investment do you see it like do you see this farad meshiri looking for investment to just get the stadium over the line so he doesn't have to put that money in well it's it's curious because people use the word investments and we're going to talk about this me that's on the sofa but um say they buy 20 and they pay 100 million for it whatever and that would value the club at 500 million wouldn't it is that um something that works out as 20 based on new share issue yeah or is that farhad dropping from 94 to 74 what is it yeah if the buying shares are farad meshiri the money goes into farm meshiri's pocket there's no investments in the football club to say at all yeah but what they could very well be and this is what i think farhad was basically saying he was trying to get when you know on his on his interview with jazz is these are people who are used to running and being involved in the running of sports enterprises yeah and therefore i'll shorten what he said and we'll talk about it on the server they'll bring best practice yeah and they will clearly demand as vcs do at least one board position well i was gonna i was gonna say yeah if they get if they get someone on the board then obviously then they've got a little bit of um power haven't they well they'll be the influence but they will be the second largest shareholder yeah with somebody on the board yeah and they'll see how the board performs and if they're not happy and most business people of this ilk are pretty ruthless because actually they're investing hundreds perhaps millions of pounds to make that hundreds of millions of pounds bigger and if they see things or people in the way of making those moneys bigger then they'll remove them or add to them which is obviously our approach here so the board will become instantly better with with a rep from from a from a VC investor because they are hard-nosed business people at the end of the day yeah um Baz and John will be talking about this more but just on that on the stadium because you can imagine that they would be coming into help with the stadium and and as you just said best practice there you know because obviously the american way of doing things for stadiums and i know this is something i think um top all he's doing at chelsea is get more out of the stadium apparently chelsea now are keeping the stadium open longer after games and encouraging people to stay round and drink one of one things isn't that isn't that you know weird that we've been some of that for quite some time but everything should be doing a good lesson park or it's 101 yeah i mean what appears and again we're going to keep saying it we're going to go through um far had's interview and almost line by line type of thing but i don't think they're coming in to do the stadium at all right i mean clearly the funding may end up that way but this stadium is on plan oh yeah yeah and on budget according to the majority shareholder um but it is moving into the time when you start planning for how we're going to use it you know what a ticket price is going to be what other type of events can we put on there there's a huge fan zone area what about making use of the of the facilities on non-match days blah blah blah blah but we've got a third party on board already well let me just let me just let me just um like just to finish off right if farad mashiri pays for the entire stadium which he says he could pay for himself yeah yeah and then he sells the club subsequently yeah yeah okay so you've got that side of things or you've got farad mashiri lets an investor in who pays off the last bit of the the stadium and then he sells the club which way does he make more money because that's the way i'm thinking of it because if he buys the whole stadium and then sells the club i don't think he's making his money back even on the stadium never mind on the on what he's paying for the club i wouldn't personally expect right let's let's do this this way the football club are paying for the stadium yeah yeah okay but the football club currently has some debt to farad mashiri right because obviously he he's put money into the club it's not been converted into equity so we have a debt to him and and some of that maybe it's a bit complicated this but if we issued more shares the money would go to the club right so if they handed over 100 million quid and it was new shares which equal 25 20 whatever it might be then that's money the club could use now it could either use that to finish the stadium itself or it could use that to settle the debt with farad mashiri or all of the above the first one you said where he builds the stadium then sells it that is not the way he makes his money because if you just again take a very simplistic view they buy 20% of the business whatever the vehicle mechanisms are um which values the business at half a billion so farad then pays for the stadiums to get built and all of a sudden the football club's now worth a billion yeah they've just doubled their money and he hasn't and he hasn't yeah um albeit if it did go to a billion he'd do all right i think but yeah i mean let's see what the structure is i mean there are credible organisation um and and farad was talking about hoping to announce this to you guys pretty soon and the US media got to it already you know um but people who buy into you know an elite organisation like mclaren and what have you um premier league was inevitable now the question is this will shake out i guess is it an initial investment with an intention perhaps down the track to buy the thing and let's wait and see yeah let's wait and see there you go uh john i'll be doing more on this uh with us over on toffee tv premiere we'll be back at five o'clock live on toffee tv premiere as well so join us then if you haven't joined us the link is in the description and the qr code will be on the screen in a moment thanks 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