 Yeah, Amos where about you wow you as soon as we started broadcasting you just went But to answer your question, I'm in Alaska you're in Alaska. Oh, wow cool Okay, well I'm just gonna get that's the temperature Yeah, I just get excited when people are in cold places like me It's 51 Fahrenheit today. I'm sure that's like 13 Celsius something like that. Yeah, so that's kind of the same thing Who's father north I don't know It might be it might be a post-show discussion. We might have to yeah Yeah, look at some post-show I'm doing one thing and that's discussing with my sleep Yes, Patrick will be having the post-show with his pillow under. Yeah, um, I don't know. What's What's uh, I'm in wassilla, Alaska. So if there's any if you want to go If you want to do a little coordination thing whatever Yeah All right, Sarah. How you feeling? Hopefully I enough processes so that I sound and okay again It's just your internet Yeah, you froze right back up again. Um, I could restart chrome. Yeah, try it. Let's try it Yep, hmm. It's always something that ain't one thing. It's another Insert cliche here I'm glad we went live. Oh What's happening? What I don't know. I feel like Amos just froze. Oh and Sarah disappeared the Sarah was restarting chrome. So that that was a known bug That was a known issue. Oh, oh Were you just sitting very still? No, I was actually just just about to hit the freak out button like oh now my and Sarah drops out in my internet Dies out. All right Let me start hijack again Okay application audio yep And Include audio input years Very good All right. All right back. Let's do this talk back Tuesday begins Uh, sir, could you read line three? I could all right. Will you? I Will okay good. Here we go. Three two Thanks to everyone who supports daily tech news show directly to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the daily tech news for Tuesday, August 14th 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio fila and I am scooter Lane and From the land of wailing babies. I'm Patrick Bejo. Is that what they call Finland these days? Well, that's what they call my house Comes from the land of the wailing babies metal Finland rocker We're parents sobbing. Yeah, I apologize in advance to the audience because being object permanence and Trying to crawl makes for a difficult day in the Exactly Also with us Roger Chang out today with some some he's got a baby on the way He's got baby stuff happening associate producer Anthony Lemos aka Amos filling in. How's it going Amos? I am doing well if I can get my buttons to work here It's it's good to have you Roger's gonna be you know have it in a newborn Coming soon. So it's it's nice to have folks Filling in so that I don't have All right, let's start with a few tech things you should know Tenders co-founders and eight other former and current executives of the dating app are suing the services current owners match group and matches parent company IAC for two billion dollars in damages alleging that manipulation of the company's valuation Denied them billions of dollars that they were out The suit centers around an analysis of Tinder from 2017 made by banks Wall Street banks to set a value for stock options Received by Sean Redd a Tinder co-founder and other early employees It also includes an allegation of sexual harassment against Tinder's former CEO Greg Black. So they're swiping for their rights Facebook has aqua hired the seven-person vid presso team vid presso makes online videos more interesting Interactive with on-screen social media polling and comments graphics and live broadcasting Integrated with Facebook YouTube periscope and more terms on the deal weren't disclosed Vid presso clients and partners will still be able to use its services for Twitter light The data-saving version of the Twitter app is expanding to 21 more countries bringing the total to 45 Twitter light is designed to load faster on Slower network connections 2g 3g also less than 3 megabytes in size last November Twitter claim Twitter light led to a greater than 50% increase in tweets and noted that 80% of its then 330 million monthly users were outside the United States App is available as a free download on Google Play Microsoft is making its your phone app available to all users in the Microsoft store on Windows 10 right now It works with Android phones to drag and drop photos from a phone to a PC Syncing that text messages and notifications is still to come All right, let's talk a little more about secret meetings Patrick Insider reports that Apple is encouraging developers to transition to a subscription Software as a service model rather than a one-time purchase fee model sources say Apple had held an invite-only meeting in April 2017 for more than 30 developers to convince them to adopt the sub model I love this story because it plays both sides of the fence as far as news hook One is secret Mickey meeting in swanky Tribeca neighborhood of New York with developers What could it mean? But then it goes on to explain that well what it means is that you make a lot more money off subscriptions And Apple wants to make that an important part of their business So they're really trying to get developers that make one-off apps to do Subscription versions of their apps because it's going to be good for them and the developers Well in the business insider story You know, it sort of had a good analogy of certain apps are utilities or you know, you could like of them to a hammer Right, it's something hammered you use the hammer and it doesn't really have this sort of ongoing payment structure But it can of course you get creative enough. Of course, you can have subscription based apps What I find surprising about this is this is over a year ago So 30 developer 30 plus developers and one would assume is you know What Apple would deem? Good performers lots of potential for revenue for Apple, of course Because they're taking 30% cuts of these subscription models how we didn't hear about it all this time I mean, that was almost a year and a half ago Hmm. It's also It can combat the idea that you're gonna make an app you sell it and then you make version 2 or version 3 And that might also have to do with it in Apple's mind, you know It's just it's that it's the new model the new model of subscription as a service right or software as a service Sorry, where you you just say you install windows once and you'll always have the most up-to-date version You'll always have the most up-to-date version of office and Apple's trying to encourage developers to do that The New York Times Stacy Crowley has an article about banks using data on how you use their services as a way to stop Automated attacks and detect fraud Among the behavioral biometrics that can be analyzed are mouse movements Scrolling speed the angle you hold your phone The finger you use to swipe and tap and how much pressure you apply to the way you type Few companies disclose how and when the movements are tracked Some people worry though that private information like medical conditions could be detected via these these methods There are no regulations currently governing how it's used Yeah, I think it was a scottish bank was one of the only ones who'll even talk publicly about it. And that's the mistake Don't do what google and facebook did banking Be transparent talk about what you're doing how you're collecting it how you're storing it and what you're doing with it This is a fantastic idea theoretically This kind of mouse movement we're talking about 2,000 different singles singles here, right? They're correlating a lot of different stuff. This isn't just like oh, but what if somebody pretends They're me like their mouse. This is really hard to duplicate and it's very good for security And as I was about to say theoretically Could be used as a replacement for current authentication schemes if done right But it will get screwed if everybody sees it as a another data grab without people's permission It's I mean the data grab aspect is I think relatively limited um, the big issue obviously is individual Not replicable identification because if it's precise enough to Identify you I think some people might be worried that this is one thing they're using it for and then your kind of Fingerprinted or Behaviour printed. Yeah, who are you sharing this with who else has it? Yeah, totally Yeah, this Yeah, it's listen. I don't want anyone to swindle me out of money, right? So in theory all of this is A good thing I guess however When I think about the way that I might scroll or you know Depending on you know, how big of a hurry I am how much pressure I'm applying to you know, that's why I said there's 2,000 different signals here. It's not it's not it's really good at telling who you are Even if you're drunk or sleepy or whatever, right? Because it has a lot of different ways to look at this stuff Okay I can hear the skepticism All right Again like I again I I if if my bank is like something seems to be off here Sarah Lane It doesn't seem like it's you that just logged in and you know made a bunch of transactions or you know Clicked on stuff. I do want to know about that. I am very wary of anybody tracking my mouse movements Particularly if that doesn't lead to a click, you know, yeah, but mouse that's just one of the things It's it's the way you type the rhythm that you type It's it's so many things that are already shared with your browser all the time and that's why I say Transparency is key let people know this is all stuff We we're already getting and here's what we're doing with it What they're doing with it is the key Don't be giving it to third parties without permission. Don't be using it for anything except authentication Lock it down make it auditable. And this is actually a really good thing. Hey, just last thing Who else do you think is doing it amazon google lots of people could be doing it? I don't know that obviously that's going to be you know, like, oh, I bet they all are doing it I would doubt they're doing it But I would be surprised if they're not at least exploring it Well, I'm sure they're exploring it But I would worry more about in like third-party sites sites that are less in the public eye Doing this sort of thing. I'm learn from insider Do the the buzzy Behavioral tracking is the next big issue for private data Actually Nvidia graphics cards are the next big thing CEO Jensen Wang unveiled the company's new touring gpu architecture In a keynote at seagraph 2018 touring includes hybrid rendering which combines ray tracing with traditional rasterization Nvidia says the fastest touring parts can cast 10 billion rays per second Which is a 25 times improvement in ray tracing performance over the unaccelerated pascal Touring architecture also carries over the tensor cores from volta and supports a wide range of precisions like int 8 and in 4 precisions Nvidia announced that the upcoming quadro rtx 8000 rtx 6000 and rtx 5000 versions Will ship in q4 that rt is interesting It refers to Turing's rt cores for ray tracing which improves lighting effects in games and coincidentally patrick Nvidia also released a teaser video for its games con announcement next week with a bunch of hints In discord screenshots that led people to believe that Graphics processor announcement will be for something called the rtx 2080 And that's really interesting because the current line of consumer grade gpu's are gtx 10 something and they usually announced the higher Version the higher end version of that their new lines with the xx 80 model so they could be either doing gtx 2080 or maybe that rtx thing to put for the rt cores Very interesting. I've been waiting for this to maybe think about changing gpu's, but yeah Wait a bit more. The first one is usually super expensive. I mean, yeah the 8000 I think was quoted as like $10,000 so Oh of the of the touring platform. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's the pro version The other thing is will Cryptocurrency miners jump on it They're more and more going for specialized cards versus this, but it'll be interesting to see if that holds up still. Yeah Movie passes new plan launches august 15. Hey, that's tomorrow But some users who have cancelled have received emails indicating their cancellations have been revoked One email reads if you had previously requested cancellation prior to our opting in prior to opting in Your opt-in to the new plan will take priority and your account will not be cancelled Hmm Many people getting that email claim they did not opt in to the new plan and some say that you now can't cancel the subscription at all Movie pass told tech tech crunch. We have fixed the bugs that were causing the issue And have confirmed that none of our members have been opted in or converted to the new plan without their express permission So it sounds like just It was a fluke. It wasn't movie pass being like we can't lose subscribers. Let's make them stay Yeah, it was I mean, it's not as bad as if they were like Falsely trying to retain people But they obviously are having problems with their systems, which doesn't give more confidence in movie pass. I'm afraid Yeah, there was a huge bad buzz when they started not You know paying for what they should be paying for a few weeks ago This isn't helping. It's too bad because I mean movie passes cross companies, right? It's not just one Multiplex company that you can go to works through credit cards so it can be used at multiple chains It's not partnered with a specific chain, correct Right chains. Yeah. Yeah, because in France, we've had something similar but with we have two major movie chains And each one has their service and it works super well Yeah, and we now we have that here too. AMC has their a list and cinemark has their their program too, so I think movie passes days may be over NASA and freelancer.com have chosen early winners for the astro be challenge series meant to crowdsource a robot arm for that cute Astro be robot that'll be helping out on the international space station South african grad student Nino Wonderland produced an attachment mechanism Filipino conceptual engineer myrtle menzano made a smart attachment system and indian software engineer Amit Biswas developed a Simple deployment mechanism. There are nine more contests in the challenge before it wraps up in september And astro be a schedule to reach the international space station Sometime next year Cute robots. Come on you guys I'm I'm thrilled You know, it's it's always good to have cute robots on the space stations as opposed to Not cute robots who end up trying to wipe out humanity. So yeah cute robots with useful arms developed by Young brilliant minds. I like Hey, if I if I was living on a space station for any extended period of time or in space at all Which I'd never plan to do but who even knows I would want the robot to be as cute as possible I also like the fact that they went international for this. I mean the NASA went to multiple countries for a thing that's going to be used on the ISS. I think that's that's pretty cool Yeah, there is no eye. Well, no, there is an eye, but it stands for international To get all that tech headlines each day in about five minutes. Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com It's talk back tuesday We just made it up Yeah, we did because we got so many good emails from people yesterday and sarah and I were looking at them Like we can't not read a bunch of these, right? Yeah, I mean, listen, we get great emails every day But there are certain days like this morning where there's such a plethora. They deserve their own segment Let's start Not quite near you patrick, but closer than we are chris from trondheim, norway Uh 34 degrees Celsius warm south of spain. I don't know what chris meant by this I think what he meant was it's unseasonally warm in norway right now. It's almost spain-like in norway. All right, fine I'll take that. Uh chris chimed in on how buyers using realtors is very rare in norway We were talking about realtors on yesterday's show when browsing for a new house you use the newspaper online ads and such in norway It's always the seller's realtor that handles the paperwork together with you and your bank Of course, the whole buying situation is also different from other countries. I have found out here There is almost always an auction where bids go back and forth and the seller must accept the highest bid And most showings are open houses private showings are rare um Yeah, I mean the idea that the realtor would only be on the seller's side I mean, I guess that's if you're going to have one. That's probably the more important place to have it But but uh, but yeah, it's uh, it's interesting to hear especially from, you know Not only regions but places across the world are like, you know, you guys are all weird about red fin direct Selling to you know people who want to buy homes It doesn't work the way it works in the u.s. And a lot of other places I'm surprised by the auction system where the buyer has to accept the highest bid whatever that's to You know make it so the buyer can't Choose but I don't know it's go to it to prevent any kind of prejudice creeping in exactly I mean, you would need to be really prejudiced to take less money A Frenchman forget it. I'll take less money Yeah Well, I'm like highest bid and best bidder not necessarily the same thing depending on who's on the house, right? Well, that's the thing you can say I won't pay you as much But I'll let you stay in it for free for two months while you move out Or I won't I won't have an inspection contingency. So whatever condition it's in and I'll take it, you know, there's other things you can do like that Got another email from angel in Puerto Rico. This is concerning the story we talked about with Lamar Wilson yesterday on the hb all-in-one printer that was able to Basically get malicious code added to it via fax angel says I've got some thoughts on faxes and HIPAA which we mentioned yesterday if you're not familiar That's the health insurance portability and accountability act of 1996 in the us health insurance stuff angels company provides electronic health record or EHR software for medical offices And most of the offices are now using fax services that run in the cloud and are integrated directly into the EHR software That way the documents are included directly into the patient's record And you only need a scanner for outgoing faxes angel says that said The center for medicare and medicaid services has announced an initiative to eliminate legacy technology And that includes faxes. He links us to something we'll put in our show notes Angel says it's part of ensuring data portability, which was the main intent of HIPAA in the first place and eliminate legacy technology So faxes may be going the way of the dodo sooner than later Wait, they're gonna die out from hunting Well, I think you know movie pass the dodo You know, they may not be around much longer. What you're saying is the faxes are going to go the way of movie pass Movie pass isn't dead yet Not yet. Not yet. Uh, and yeah, anyway enough with movie pass. It's so easy to make fun of these pieces of technology and Yesterday, you're rightfully Put a whole bunch of caveats in in front of that fun making which was obviously warranted but you know, there are some we tend to forget in our world of constantly evolving newest coolest tech gadget that some Times tech is used for things that need to be super reliable And that work everywhere in systems that have been Designed a while ago. It's the case for this. It's the case where you know, uh, there are questions about voting systems There are infrastructure Uh, it that is still running on like old cobalt program and you're you can point and laugh But these things have reliant reliability as their most important highest, uh Priority so It's yeah, sometimes it's warranted. Yeah Uh, Anthony Colangelo has a call in follow up on the space force discussion from last week With a missing piece that wasn't touched on leadership Hey, this is Anthony Colangelo from the main engine cutoff podcast I really liked just in discussion of the budgetary concerns of space force But one thing he missed was the leadership concerns as well Space leadership has not made it to those high levels of the air force that have a seat at those highest level tables Where decisions get made in government space force is about Elevating that space leadership up to those highest levels so that they have a direct say In prioritization management and decisions about policy that affects space rather than it filtering through The air force structure. So that's something that's very important that I think can't be missed in the space force debate No, that's a really good point. Uh, I mean, this is oversimplifying it obviously but the joint chiefs of staff Are the heads of the major branches of the military and if space force was a branch They'd have a seat at that table, right? Got another email from Andy in Sydney And this is about google's location tracking discussion that we had yesterday and the fact that it's Sometimes kind of hard to find depending on who you are and he says here's an issue though That relates to the overall android experience. You can't use the google assistant at all if you turn this off You can't even complete the setup until you turn those settings back on Why is this necessary if I just want to set a timer? Maybe ask for the weather Also, you can't use a google home speaker with those privacy settings off It won't let you complete the setup period I ended up creating a throwaway google account just to use the google home that I got free with my pixel even basic Uh stuff like with the weather widget on my pixels home screen. It's gone It disappears when you turn off location history at least after a while Even though I have gps turned on they can't seem to figure out my location in order to show me the local weather They have my gps. They have my cell tower wi-fi addresses But they need my location history to tell me the weather where I am now I'm generally a big google and android fan, but this seems like too much and much of the time It's new my google home and google assistant used to work But a year ago without requiring access to my web activity and location history Used to be able to use the weather app now They've slowly been removing features from users that have additional privacy settings enabled Maybe they figure they make less revenue from me. So is that how they're justified in taking away these features? I don't know, but this feels wrong Something seems like a blatant way of bullying your customers into handing over data that they wouldn't otherwise Yeah, I these things should work even if you say don't store my history I have a feeling there may be some people again. Remember companies are made of a lot of different people there may be some people inside who are Under the cover of another reason pushing this for an agenda of being able to track and use the data It's I'm not going to discount that possibility On the other hand, there's probably a lot of engineers who are like look whenever we store something Even just for temporary use and we store it a little longer just to make sure it's still there when the app needs it Later we get in trouble because of privacy So we're making it a hard stop. You either let us store it for what we need to do with it Or we don't store it at all and you don't get to use that service. That's that's an engineering approach to a solution that doesn't Appreciate the nuance of the privacy situation and this is what we're all working through is you know up until a few years ago It was anything goes it didn't really matter what what you stored or where nobody cared as long as the stuff worked Now people want it to work and not spy on you And so I totally agree with andy like you should be able to have your weather app Know where you are because you have gps turned on saying don't store my location Is not the same as saying don't check my location right and even if it needs to store it briefly There there should be a way to say like yeah, it'll be stored for you know less than a day Just because that's the way the app works But after that it'll be purged because what's what the ap found was in this other setting area under apps It was being stored for longer periods of time because it wasn't covered by the tracking which was doing continuous tracking Which is a totally different thing I want to say also because google maybe makes money off of you And that is not an A little bit of devil's advocate, but it's not an invalid reason you're totally yeah for free And maybe they need that to monetize your use of it Um, I think they should be more transparent about it But it's also such a tiny thing that everyone's jumping on it and pointing fingers and going like ah see Again google is trying to spy on you without you knowing but it's not I mean More transparency sure I don't think the the the the team designing it was thinking Oh my god, we need to tell them that if they turn off This service then they won't have access to that When really you turn it off and you see you don't have access to it It's not and I think in in legitimate engineers minds. It was like well tracking is i'm always recording location constantly and Storage through apps is when I launched the weather app I checked the location then I store it so that I know where I checked last time and it can speed some things up Uh, and I think you're right that there are probably other people like great Well, we can use that to sell an ad against it and it is different from continuous tracking But people are like well wait a minute when I when I said I didn't want you to know my location store my location I meant I didn't want you to store my location. So It's just you know the the debate goes on kv followed up echoing sarah sentiments that this is a ridiculously buried settings item Uh kv said it's one thing to have the options available to merely say you have or cover your butt legally However, a real measurement of a company's efforts of how much they value user choice and privacy is how accessible and clearly explained Their options are are the options presented equally? Are they opt in rather than opt out or do they employ? Dark patterns such as hiding certain options behind several screens or different mediums like a phone call Discolored undesired options are generally making it harder for a user to actually make a well informed choice I think dark patterns is overemphasized But it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Uh the youtuber nerd writer does a pretty good overview on some common dark patterns I I think that is way overhyped the whole dark patterns thing Uh, but at the same time, I think there's a great argument to be made for accessibility That says look, uh, if you're hiding these things It's harder for lots of different people to get to and that's just not good ui Yeah, I agree with you that google isn't necessarily trying to bury these settings in a place where they Truly don't want anyone to find them. Oh, they're the in this case They are a little bit more buried than usual But this is a great conversation and maybe we can you know, I don't know if anyone has sort of like Dark web and app patterns that they're you know expert And I'd love to know more about it because there are little things like yeah Grain out the option that the app would prefer that you don't choose Um, you do see that a lot and sure if we're all paying a lot of attention Most of the time not an issue you still choose your options that are right for you and go on with your life, but um, I've certainly been uh, you know I don't know fooled is the right word, but I've been you know, a little bit confused by these sorts of things In the past and that that's definitely a factor My my issue is that dark patterns is a good consumer tip to say like hey Make sure you're reading things as they try to nudge you like it's not they want to trick you Yeah, it's no different than any kind of ad literacy Whereas what's being done on the internet right now is a lot of the dark patterns are coming to get you And companies are trying to trick you and see it like they're just way over hyping it for clicks And it's like yeah, no something to be aware of like sarah just said that's but that's all there is to it All right, I really like the analogy to basically marketing and ads that there are Dark or light patterns and all of those I will add though that The the answer that kv was looking for was really in his first or second sentence How much they value user choice and privacy? Google doesn't value it hugely they they value it to an extent But I would suspect that out of all of these gigantic companies Those that use your data to monetize again as I was saying earlier value your privacy less Then others that don't use that data to monetize Yeah, so it's not that more willing to let the consequence of a design change Impact your privacy negatively than a company that would be willing to go out of their way to protect your privacy. Yeah, exactly Hey, thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com and facebook dot com slash groups Slash daily tech news show Also, thanks to Patrick Beja for being with us this fine Tuesday Patrick. What's been going on in your world since we saw you last week Uh, a lot of as I mentioned baby crying. Um, I was So and and not a lot of podcast recording. However, I did learn that uh, France is one of the five nations that has a space force Uh, after googling the topic. So that's go france. Um, and that's about it. Just follow me on twitter.com slash non Patrick if you want more trivia about space force, maybe and uh, baby complaining or complaining about babies And uh, big round of applause to amos for stepping in for roger chang today Thank you roger chang. We miss you. Thank you amos and uh, thank you all for supporting us There's lots of membership perks that you can get at patreon.com slash Dtns check out the columns and the slack and the discord and all those sorts of things once again patreon.com Slash dtns. Don't forget to do it. 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Uh, you know what I'm called However, what's that late for dinner Uh, it's midnight. So late for late late for dinner then. Yeah Wait late for going to sleep. I'm going to sleep right now while thanking uh scooter tom amos and the absent roger for a delightful recording once again Well, and thank you as well patrick beijer And we wish you uh, the sweetest of dreams perhaps about space Possibly. Thank you very much. Uh, google privacy Well, that wouldn't be All right All right. Good night patrick. Good show. Good night. Bye, patrick. So what are we gonna call this? Imagine when we Imagine when we have different privacy settings based on whether you're on earth or another planet I forgot to protect my privacy on mars I know it's totally different jurisdictions, you know Movie pass just can't quit you That's funny. Never write vp into mars. I get all these pop-ups about cooking Hmm Everything's about water Cancelled cancellation is one of my favorites on here cancelled cancellation. Oh, that's another movie pass. Um Movie passing the cancellation banking on your data the only Reason I wouldn't go with movie pass is just because we've had a couple movie pass titles recently And I know that we're continuing to report on the story, but I don't know. Yeah You know, um sassy apple apps. I kind of like that. That's kind of fun I didn't see that sassy apple apps It sounds like a breakfast cereal What's up? Can I have another bowl of sassy apple apps? Did anybody hear like apple jacks because I always thought apple jacks is the worst. No, I love apple jacks. Really? Yeah, I did I I mean, I'm not I'm glad you did That's one of the few non chocolate based cereals that I actually liked What are the other chocolate based cereals? Cocoa pebbles cookie crisp. Um, yeah Cocoa puffs Count chocula Um, okay. Yeah, okay color me, uh, color me corrected Um, but you didn't like apple jacks. You know what I didn't I didn't like now I don't like apple jacks. I was always like who wants this super sugar crisps What's that? Maybe that's not the right is that it's I do I mean that's not related to cookie crisp because that was no no these were like puffed barley With sugary coatings sugar smacks sugar smacks. Thank you Look who's Sorry, I found a low period between Life But you know, I finally understand when those commercials say that You know when when uh time moves at the speed of life Or was it when life moves at that it's something like the speed of life I it's Is Is that supposed to be like moving at the speed of light? Yes, it's a it's a spin on that but the way things in life your life anyone's a life Right, right. Yeah, you know there's you get these Amazing tranquil moments interspersed with a lot of stress Ah, I hear that brother I do Sassy apple apps Sassy So I um, you know what uh, what was the one I wasn't allowed to eat sugar sugary cereal But once I got to a certain age my parents just were like we give up eat what you want And what was the one that I loved so much? Oh, um kicks Uh, honey grams honey grams honey cones or honey Honey two different ones there were honey grams and honey comes honey grams the one that was the flat and square shaped Yeah, and well, they were kind of bent like a curvature of space But yeah, yeah, yeah, and you had to eat them really quick Golden grams golden grams. That's what it was Loved golden grams. They were great except that I noticed they got even sweeter with time Oh really like I think they added more sugar Or something like I don't remember it tasting that's crazy sweet You know, I think I read this I could be wrong about this But I think I read that your perception of sweetness your tolerance for sweetness goes down as you get older Maybe I think that's true I mean to the point that I don't even if someone's like, hey, you want a piece of my chocolate bar I'm like no because I noticed the golden grams gets got smaller as I got older too No, no, I mean exactly You know, it's noticeable in the way that I noticed the current contemporary Kit Kat bar Is like softer more melty melty chocolate than the old. I think it's just hotter than it used to be Now I think they moved to like pressed cocoa or some other Yeah, maybe well the the Kit Kat of the us is trash like yeah, no Well, I someone in the chat room said the uk Kit Kat went that way too because I did it That's like whatever her she's or not Was that craft? Vancouver I was stunned. I was like, oh my gosh, so good. I thought I liked Kit Kats until now. Now I love Kit Kats We're making Sarah gag because she doesn't like Kit Kats. I don't like Kit Kats I used to stir Kit Kats into my apple jacks Oh, I love that you're golden grams See so did Tom Tom loved apple jacks like because I was like what kid wanted apple jacks I wouldn't say in love. I liked apple jacks. I was like, oh apple jacks. That's cool. I like apple jacks I would prefer cocoa pebbles or golden grams. I love golden grams. Uh, what about uh, remember, uh, see if you remember this jingle Honey bunches of votes. Oh, that's why they call it the best of the bunch. What was the name of that cereal honey bunches of votes? Oh I'm like actually my dad got it because it was buried in grants, too Well, I see I liked honey bunches of votes. Oh, they were really good In the same way, I liked golden grams where it's like it seemed like maybe there was some health benefits But it was just sugar. You know that was frosted flakes Frosted flakes seemed like special k but then someone like got a creative and energy. Oh, I liked frosted flakes. Yeah I like raisin bran. I still do really. Oh Yeah, I learned to like raisin. I like it now, but I didn't like it as a kid So this is I so I this goes with the whole age thing that Tom was just alluding to But I was a kid. I was always upset at raisin bran for not having enough raisins And now that they put so much more raisins in it as an adult Too many I got more bran And the raisin bran people are like you're never happy. Nothing's ever good enough for you But I tell you what I do I buy a box of raisin bran and I buy a box of the supermarket like just Cornflakes or bran cereal and I mix it There is um, you know, Whole Foods doesn't have raisin bran the actual Cereal, but it has you know the sort of hippie knockoffs. Yeah And I don't know. I mean the concept of brand cereal with raisins. I really like it. I don't few blueberries It's a good time And that's where you get your sugar from the raisins That used to annoy the heck out of me as a kid It's like why do they show blueberries in this cereal when there are no Right, I know, right. I know because it makes it look so pretty Never really liked strawberries and cereal that always was a little odd to me, but blueberries very much I like blueberries and banana. Yeah same I'm cool with strawberries, but blueberry and banana preferable still Because the nice thing about blueberries is they're not very sweet as a fruit You know, they taste great and make nice colors But you can kind of add it to something that's already sweet and it doesn't go nuts I have blueberries every morning Every morning. Yeah, I used to get a cereal called blueberry morning. They start making it. I have my own homemade muesli And I put in chocolate chips blueberries kefir And some bananas So sutherland, huh the chocolate chip part is interesting Um chocolate chip part started for eileen because she has a different breakfast that I make for her It's like granola with dark chocolate and almonds and yogurt and chocolate chips the chocolate chips thing goes back to when we were both having the same thing And she didn't like it very much So I put chocolate chips in to make it nicer and then I'm like, oh put some in mine too And then we totally changed what's actually in the bowl, but I'm like, well, she's still got chocolate chips I suppose I'll put them in so yeah I mean, I'm sure it's good. It's just it's it's it's an interesting ingredient compared to it's not a healthy addition Yeah, well when I um Have worked at uh startup offices over the years and you know depending on the office or you know a television station or whatever where they stock, uh The you know certain food for free for employees I've gotten very good at figuring out how to like diy several things that are free to make a meal And one of the ones, um, I won't say what startup it was But they had kind bars lots of kind bars and they also had Like a you know instant oatmeal Well the oatmeal itself. I'd never liked any of the flavored ones. I only want the plain one But then you crumble the kind bar into the oatmeal And let it sit there for a minute because really the kind bars. Yes, there's chocolate dark chocolate and you know You know cranberries and all sorts of stuff depending on the type And you leave it for a few minutes and then you add a little salt salt Yeah, because it kind of like takes a little pressure off of the fact that you're you've just melted a bunch of chocolate into oatmeal It's really good. Wait, is this a s'more? It's not a s'more because there's no marshmallow Well, it's oatmeal with a melted kind bar in it It's just sounds like you're trying to make your own power bar Well, what i'm trying to do is eat for free, but also get as much nutrition as possible in a single setting Because the oatmeal itself is like, you know, it'll fill you up kind of but like there's not much to it But when you do the two at the same time, you're really in business Cinnamon on the top cinnamon is the key I do I I tell you what I take I'll take like if if I have any leftover meat like steak or sausage or something. I'll dice it. I'll throw it in with you plain oatmeal I'll just eat Because because oatmeal so it's so like neutral tasting. Yeah, it's like wamping per paste Sure You eat eat that with a protein and generally I'm set Well, that's how I feel about cottage cheese. I would eat a like a diced up sausage in a bowl of cottage cheese No problem sounds kind of weird, but it tastes fine protein and protein. I mean, why not you put cheese on a burger Right same idea Excuse me cow. I'm gonna take your milk and then put it on top of your flesh and cook. Yeah Yeah The cow is already dead Roger. You don't have to have that conversation Excuse me chicken. I'm gonna take your spirit of my hamburger cow Please forgive me I'm using goat milk cheese. I promise Man, I don't know about you guys, but I don't like goat milk very much. No, it's nasty. I'm sorry It's you know what? I'm wondering if it's actually the goat milk or what they feed the goat I'm not sure because they never have been There has been a salad that had goat cheese on it here and there where like I was like Maybe not my favorite cheese. I wish it was feta, but okay But usually I can't eat anything that has goat milk or goat cheese involved Hey folks, if you want to know what I sound like with my jacket off because it's hot stick around on the audio recording Uh for video folks though, we're saying sayonara And I hope you have a pleasant day Amos take us off