 This debate, and every debate that's ever been on modern day debate, it makes way, way, way more sense to me if we're using faculty that have some other origin other than just mindless processes and particles in both. It looks to me like something else is going on here. I'm sorry that I don't have a problem understanding how population mechanics lead to incidental appearance of design because it just naturally would. I never had a problem understanding that. Believers constantly have this issue. Something Aaron just said was, according to naturalism, a direct result of cause and effect. Why should we take anything he says seriously? Why should you take anything I'm saying seriously?