 That's it No, no, no, I mean like it's especially prevalent in wild animals. Yeah, right You have to cook it correctly. You have to cook it thoroughly at what 350. What's the trick? It's trickin osis. That's the worms. No good trick. What's the trick not the other trick? Okay, enough trickin osis puns We're gonna worm your way I said enough Give you a nice bear paw hug I wouldn't I don't think I'd want to eat bear honestly Bear paw, I mean again doesn't sound like I'd have a lot of meat on it. You know, I've had a bear claw Oh, I love a bear claw. Yeah, that's a good But the thing with the log lady orders at the diner in Twin Peaks The thing with carnivores you have to be careful about is they'll eat you. It's a liver It's toxic. Oh, yeah carnivore livers are toxic. Oh, yeah, I've had shark I've had shark steak Yeah, I used to eat the that the tamale in the lobsters and then you know people said don't eat that That's really gross. I like I love it. Oh, that's great. Oh, yeah Oh And shrimp do you eat the shells? No, I don't eat the shells Do you eat the shells? Yeah Wow, how can you eat the tail, but aren't you afraid of like choking? No, you chew them No, that's I don't like it. I used to salt and pepper prawns salt pepper prawns with the shell on I Having spent an entire summer at my my uncle's Chinese restaurant shuck and shrimp. I won't ever eat another How much shrimp could have Roger could shuck shrimp Well Roger are you ready to do this show? Yes, mr. Peralta. Are you ready to do this show? I think so. Let me just grab my bear paws over here You have your snacks ready. Have my snacks ready ride petrified bear paws All right, here we go Daily tech news show was powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out how you can help power the show Visit daily tech news show comm slash support This is the daily tech news for Friday the 13th of January 2017. I'm Tom, Mary Joining me today producer Roger Chang alongside a big follower of Nintendo as well. Aren't you Roger? Yes, I am Yes, you are and ready for the show I can see I'm still there. I'm talking. All right. Yeah, we're gonna say that Nintendo did their quote Aaron last night Wow, Rogers Rogers internet just took a dump on us. He'll he'll be back with us shortly. I'm sure Len Peralta giggling in the background Yes And in Sheldon Freud at Rogers internet problem. How's it going? It's going well. It's going really really well looking forward to the weekend and Enjoying hearing more about the Nintendo switch Yeah, we're gonna talk about the switch the details are two hundred ninety nine dollars arriving on March 3rd Although when I pre-ordered it on Best Buy, it said March 2nd So I think it's March 3rd in Japan, which is March 2nd in the Western Hemisphere We're gonna talk more about that in a few minutes Rogers back. You're looking at Roger. I apologize problem Everything seemed fine for me and but apparently the internet's is not with me today So what I was going to say before your internet broke up was you're a follower of Nintendo. Yes, I am I I'm a big fan up until The we I had a Gamecube and a Super Nintendo although I bought that in college, so I didn't actually buy it right when it came out Patrick Beja who's on the show on Tuesdays is a big fan of Nintendo will get some thoughts from him on Tuesday But we he sent us some thoughts which we may reference during the show as well Consumer Reports has reinstated the MacBook Pro as recommended after rerunning the battery test in line of a software patch And now here are some more top stories Microsoft is buying a company called my luba M-a-l-u-u-b-a. They're a Montreal and Waterloo Canada based company that specializes in natural language processing You may remember last summer. They had a pretty impressive demonstration of an AI that could Understand Reading at almost a human level like they could take out a word and the AI could figure out what word should have been there Yashua Benjiro professor of computer science and operations research at the University of Montreal is Involved in the country company and will stay on as an advisor for Microsoft after the acquisition Benjiro is known for his work in deep learning and neural networks Maluba's co-founders Sam Pasipalik and Kahir Suleiman Noted that Microsoft's Azure cloud infrastructure is one of the key reasons that they're joining Microsoft Microsoft recently formed an AI research group led by executive vice president Harry Shum Who said he's looking forward to working with professor Benjiro. So This this is Going to show up in Cortana. This is going to show up in Microsoft services, Roger Yeah, and what you're kind of seeing is that a lot of these big players are understanding now AI is a is not a nice to have it's a must have it's it's a feature that is That is no longer kind of relegated to kind of ooh Kind of a halo feature, but rather something that's core to anything else. They want to build out even even no matter what they want to do whether it's self-driving cars or or You know intelligent databases or Internet of Things smart home integration anything anything of that nature. And so I think it's it's definitely a positive move for Microsoft concerning how You know lukewarm the response to Cortana has been up till now Now, why do you say that? Because as soon as you say there's a lukewarm response a bunch of people are going to write in and say you're prejudiced There isn't a lukewarm response It just doesn't I say that and I haven't seen people particularly saying things about Cortana other than positive things myself No, I'm not it's not just it's not to be a negative in so much that it's like Like it's bad more so that it's said I don't think it definitely has the same mind-sure that Siri or I'm I don't want to say the name Amazon's voice services assistance. Yes. Yeah, I think that's fair I think lukewarm sometimes sounds more damning than you meant it Yeah, which is it's not that it's a lukewarm response It's more that Cortana is something that people may be using but you don't hear a lot of people talking about it Siri's been around long enough and Apple shoved it in everyone's faces enough that everybody knows what it means That's the joke you're gonna see on a sitcom is about Siri and Amazon Echo obviously is is very ascendant The Cortana is probably right there with the Google Assistant. Yeah, exactly And again, it wasn't meant to be a slight that it's some inferior technology But rather it you know does not have the same level of market mind-sure that people When you ask a digital assistant, I mean Siri's gonna be the one that flips up to the top That's just mind-share. I mean I think the the more relevant point that you're making here is that all of these companies are now in fierce Competition to gain the best functional advantage, and it's still early enough days that anybody could jump out to the forefront You see Google pouring in a ton of money into this and Microsoft has has this isn't the first acquisition They've made in this space, but this is a coup because a lot of people have wanted to work with yashio I'm sorry yashua Benjio and Having him even just as an advisor to your staff is you know, it's not a guarantee of future performance But it's a coup and you know, it's interesting because you see many of the same parallels with self-driving car Technologies whether you know grabbing key people because these are You know the core assets that you need to build out these infrastructures I'm really excited to be honest to see what shakes on the next couple of years from this because it's I mean We could we could be seeing the the birth of an entirely new Not just computing method, but kind of the interface The way we you know Yeah, absolutely that did that that is what we are following now and it was nowhere more apparent than at the consumer electronic show this year for sure The Guardian reported UC Berkeley security researcher Tobias belter identified a vulnerability in WhatsApp that could allow an attacker or The company to access the content of messages anyone with access to a WhatsApp server can reset Encryption keys and become a relay point to intercept future messages The sender would only know of the change of keys if they have opted in to what's apps show security Notifications option several security researchers point out that this is a known issue with key verification and encrypted systems signal Which is the maker of the encryption system that what's app uses? Chooses to drop messages with unverified keys thus preventing the attack in its own Messenger app, but that will lead to occasional failed messages in innocent situations Like if you're changing a device or a SIM card sometimes those messages will fail What's app chooses to go ahead and send those messages to improve usability So this is something where the Guardian is reporting it and this researcher is reporting it as if they have found a smoking gun Where Facebook can spy on you or hand over keys to the government a lot of researchers are pointing out you'd have to keep Requesting this every time there is an option to make sure that the sender knows if keys have been reissued and If they were to do it the way signal did a lot of people who don't care about end-to-end encryption Would call what's app buggy because of these failed messages occasionally and you know, it's Highlights kind of the balancing act between Usability and convenience versus security right them the tighter you make something that the more secure you want to make something You know a by-product is that you don't you make it a little more cumbersome because you want to ensure that whatever systems you have in place can't be easily circumvented now the The flip side is the thing you make more convenient Tends to open up vulnerabilities or potential Avenues for people to do some sort of hack or or fishing Yeah, the key the key here is this isn't new this is something that is a known issue and No disrespect to the security researcher who discovered that what's out works this way I don't think he's trying to pretend like he discovered this vulnerability I think he's trying to say hey, you know, we should point out that what's app works this way But I think a lot of people will make a bigger deal of it and you're seeing a lot of headlines saying this is a back door This is not a back door. What's app didn't build in a vulnerability What's app chose as many encryption implementers will use ability over? Security in this instance. It doesn't mean what's app is fundamentally insecure It just means hey, if you're relying on what's up for secure communications You should know that this is something that you probably want to go in and turn on the notification And maybe consider using something else like signal if you're really worried about security What's app is is airing on the side of Usability over security in this instance. It is not something that is going to affect your daily life very often Even if and the Verge has a great article even if the government wanted to use this to subpoena something They would only be able to get one message at a time and they'd have to keep requesting over and over and over again It's not a very efficient way to conduct surveillance. Um, I will say that it does Does help I shouldn't say help but it's it's good to see that do things like this are taking a little more Interest among people because you know granted you're right. It's not backdoor It's not really a security flaw But the fact that people are conscious of it to begin with I think is a generally positive sign That people you know want to be taking a careful look and whatever applications they use Obviously famously Brazil has been in constant Conflict with what's that over? Access to messages and that sort of thing and again this Verge article that was written by Russell Brandon Addresses that point and says again, you know, the the legal fight with the Brazilian government Would be difficult absent some kind of systematic change to the way WhatsApp servers behave if WhatsApp were to leverage this bug to fulfill Lawful access demands the company would have to implement the attack Continually on every user in the country, which would be extremely noisy and extremely visible Yes It's You know, I'm just hoping that people get like it's it's easy to suspect something But you should know what's going on you shouldn't minimize that. Hey, you know what somebody could do this So you want to make sure if you're concerned about that sort of thing that you go into your security settings And you turn on the security notification And you should know that if you really want to make sure that your communications are 100% safe not 99.999 percent safe, then you probably want to use a different app. That's all yeah What's up is isn't meant for that they're over secure as it is for their purposes And you know, honestly that goes beyond what's app and signal is that if you're really concerned about security understand the the platform that you're using whatever app or service and Do know, you know where it might be lax or it might be vulnerable because those are things you want to be careful about, right? Yes, absolutely a US federal appeals court in San Francisco ruled Thursday that consumers have standing to pursue a class-action lawsuit against Apple as direct purchasers of apps the complaint filed in 2011 alleges that Apple violates the US antitrust law by prohibiting apps from Outside the Apple app store. The case has only gained the right to pursue class-action status It has not been granted class-action status. The fight was over whether they could even Apply for that status Apple had convinced a lower court to follow a 1977 Supreme Court ruling that ruling Bars consumers from recovering damages from a company if it doesn't directly sell the products to consumers So Apple was saying we don't sell apps the developers sell apps So you can't get class-action status against us But the appeals court ruled that no if you're an iPhone user You are a direct consumer of content from Apple's app store and therefore you could make a case to sue Apple So they probably will be able to get class-action status If they are able to get class-action status, they still would have to win a case against it But this so this is going to drag on for a little while longer now The bigger question for me is the knockoff effect on other vertically integrated Platforms like with Google Play Store fall under similar Kind of a similar ruling if and not to say that it has but like say There is a class-action lawsuit that is allowed to to proceed with Apple and it wins or wins against Apple I mean will this mean that Google will be the next I don't think so and the reason I say that is Google does not prohibit third-party app stores And you can install the Amazon app store on your Android device even the Google approved Android devices So Google has an advantage over Apple here Apple says no you can't have any other app store You can't side load any apps and Android says sure you can side load apps if you want to I mean we're gonna make you agree to the security implications of that before you do But yeah, you can you're allowed to do it Overall, I think it's actually kind of a positive step and I think It is you know a win for the consumer in so much that you know, hey considering considering all the haranguing and Teeth gnashing people were doing over Microsoft windows and like oh you you know Internet Explorer and thing else I think it's it's very it's very interesting and how incredibly It's a bit of a wheel in the way that for longest time Having any kind of thing any system that was pretty vertically integrated It was always considered to be a negative right because it was any competitive Think back to the 60s when movie studios actually owned the theaters that their movies played in right that was like Oh, you can only play Warner Brothers movies in here nothing else and you kind of saw that come back with video games right because You couldn't play and not you couldn't play a Nintendo approved cartridge in the Nintendo any entertainment system Right, or you couldn't get a non place Sony PlayStation approved game running off on a PlayStation so I'm I'm really I'm really interested because this could this has a I honestly believe this will have a wider impact beyond just apples App store and their particular I mean, I That what I doubt it it because really it's doubtful whether you can convict apple of antitrust When they're saying hey, we have a device and we let lots of other people make software for it Like to me that looks like an open system It's way more open than like you just said the Nintendo system where they're like well only our cartridges can be used on it So I I think there's a tall order to convince a judge However, should they convince a judge it will be interesting to see Where this would be applicable and it really depends on how the judge frames the decision Because again, there aren't a whole lot of other closed vertical operating systems out there And and the ones that are out there aren't exactly in the same position as apple sort of straddling the line between a more open system like windows Or or Android and and seriously closed systems like embedded systems in your your car your medical devices One to watch one to watch Snapchat said Thursday. It's rolling out a redesign a search bar We'll show up at the top of the chat camera and stories screens That'll let you search for your friends find shortcuts to other parts of the app do some chats right from there You can also now access your profile from a bitmoji that'll appear in the upper left corner of any section and a New section called our story will show up in the stories list that will take Contributions globally users who are part of the beta program on Android should be able to get the redesign now It's rolling out today with other Android and iOS users getting it soon as a non-user of snapchat. This looks very interesting I Mean really I mean like how many stories have have how many how many new stories have we done on snapchat over the past couple weeks because it seems like they're just constantly Something that's something happen. I first of all, I'm gonna apologize everyone. I'm working on four hours of sleep So what do you just say we've been covering snapchat a lot? No, no I'm just saying it's like there seems to be a lot of a recent developments in snapchat I don't know if there are more recent developments in snapchat or snapchat is bubbling up to the top of the places That I look for news because it's so popular I mean you could say the same thing about Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, etc. I Definitely would say the same thing for all of this Yeah, and it's because you know people say why do you cover Apple so much? Because they're they're they're very popular and people use their products and people who use Apple products used to complain that We covered Microsoft too much back in the day So, you know, we are going to look at the things that are that are bubbling up to the top Of of our of our lists and we only have so much time So we're we we try to spread things out as much as possible But if we weren't covering snapchat, we'd be leaving out an important segment of the market Oh, no, no, I'm totally not because that's Because snapchat even if you don't use it is being used by a lot of people these days Oh, no, no to don't give me. I think it's an it's important What I'm what I'm not what I'm saying is that like it just seemed like snapchat is going through a lot of I Apologize through a lot of recent. Is it is it mirror if they've been adding a bunch of new features over the past They haven't changed it. They haven't changed things. You're you're not wrong And and the reason I bring that up. I'm wondering I mean, are they do do they feel that they're slipping behind? Are they no, I don't think so. I don't think the changes have anything to do with that I think these changes are the sign of a of a fast developing Platform the way Facebook was constantly changing things when it was growing very fast They're trying to keep up with demands of a growing audience And and I think what you bring up is very astute Because what it's pointing out is they are trying to make their interface easier to use for the longest time It was oh, come on you old people. You can't figure out snapchat and they're finally Adapting to an audience that says no, I can't figure out snapchat. I don't understand how this works and saying yeah We want to get we want to get even more users in here. So let's let's modify this design it in that respect I think you're absolutely right that it's a significant moment for snapchat and design and To be honest that you know one of the things about snapchat for the longest time for me was it was a little obtuse for me to use and as they redesigned it it does make it more Compelling especially for you know someone who's coming from it this late in the game Which makes it I think a very a very good Direction for them if they if especially if that's what they want They want to broaden out their audience and penitentiary streams The informations on near a fraughty obtained information that lift the ride hailing company lost $600 million in 2016 while generating $700 million in revenue now that may sound like not a lot of revenue and a lot of loss But for comparison uber lost more than 800 million in q3 So this is lifts entire year Compared to ubers one quarter and of course uber makes a lot more revenue to Revenue is rising for lift though the Wall Street Journal had previously reported that in 2015 lift posted revenue of 200 million So that's up to 700 million. That's a that's a hockey stick like gain And they lost 360 million in 2015. So It's leaked information, but it's good news for lift even though they're far behind uber They're headed in the right direction and Yeah, I mean like Here's a serious question Is there is there any previous model that any of any of these ridesharing services are using to predict, you know Their their future profitability for example when you start a new cable network typically the rule of thumb is you get anywhere between five and Ten years before you can run fully profitable and you're no longer paying back Debt's from from the loans and stuff that you you got to start the operation Is there a road map like that or are these because they're so new they're basically kind of the Pioneers in this and so, you know, they're figuring how things Will shake out over the course of their operation. I mean, it's it's great I mean, they so they lost they lost 600 million, but they gain 700 so, you know, there's still a hundred million That's not not profit They actually lost 600 million because their expenses were 600 million more than the 700 million revenue they generate. Yeah, but um, I mean that's It's as long as it trends in a positive direction, I think I think part of it is that I'm Think I'm not very well versed on exactly how their profit loss model will work It's a fair question like when at what point are these companies expecting to turn a profit exactly when did they need? I mean, there is no question that they need to turn a profit at some point to please their investors and I think it's still probably a couple years down the road and This you know, it's it's easy to poke fun and say Hey, I wish I could run a business and lose millions of dollars and be considered a success But that's the way business works at the beginning, which is you are going to lose money for the first few years But if you have a solid business plan that will turn around and you'll make more money than you lost and satisfy investors Otherwise investors wouldn't put their money into any of these companies and that's what you call it an investment Yeah And what Roger's saying is at what point does that profitability need to turn around and they need to start making this money back? It's getting closer It's but it's still a couple years off And that has been a question particularly about lift is can't do they have enough runway to succeed? Especially when uber seems to have such deep pockets that they can they can lose a billion dollars in a year and just keep charging ahead Yes Totally what I wanted to say and you said it's so much more succinctly European members of Parliament have called for the adoption of comprehensive rules on how humans and robots interact a kill switch to shut down all functions is Recommended and users should be able to use robots quote without risk or fear of physical or psychological harm a European agency for robotics and AI Is recommended and designers may be required to register their robots and provide access to source code in case of accidents It recommends liability be lower for another party if a robot has higher autonomy So the higher the autonomy the lower the liability of the other person and higher liability for creators of robots the longer They spend to educate a robot board also raises the question of whether robots should be considered electronic persons and Whether basic income should be provided by governments as robots take over more labor This is a pretty wide-ranging report here. It is it is very broad and I think it's I mean It's I think it's fascinating that it's we're at this stage where you know a government body or Legislatures or at least the members of the European Parliament are thinking about it in that way right because You know, we still think of robots as relatively dumb devices, right? whether they're helping with auto manufacturing or They're helping you with you know delivering pills in a hospital the fact that they're at this stage think I Think it gives credence that you know There's a number of people that feel that automation and robotics are coming to the point where you need this sort of legislation I think it's good that they there's they're starting out the way There's still a lot of questions that remain to be answered for example the liability issues for people who Instruct or what do you think of that the idea that if I spend a lot of time training an AI that is inside a robot I am increasing my liability for the actions of that robot But but like Why add why stop at a robot? Why not students? Why not you know, why not human students that? That's that's that's Solipsistic because we're not talking about humans We're saying I've made a thing and this thing can operate on its own and it's not a human We have rules for humans. We've worked through that But with a thing is that the person who made the thing that's responsible Or is it the person who uses the thing that's responsible and what this is saying is if you have Trained the thing to think then you start to bear more responsibility because we're not gonna give responsibility to the thing itself You know I Honestly that that's a head scratcher And I honestly feel like I mean do you treat it as an appliance like for example if there's you know But the manufacturer of a toaster that you know catches fire and burns your house down Are they liable for that fire and we have rules covering that? But now that you're dealing with software and this is this is kind of the the big kind of fuzzy area It's the unknown is that with software? I mean where do you draw the line because we all know software isn't perfect That's why we we have updates and things to it right it doesn't ship out 100% minted gonna work the way it's supposed to all the time every time I don't know. It's kind of scary to be honest if I was developing an AI and so okay, dude You're gonna be responsible for this AI when someone else takes out or buys it and uses at their home And you know it tells them to drive off a road that no longer exists And I think that's where it gets interesting right sure if it's an appliance and it causes a fire The maker of the appliance has some liabilities if it was malfunctioning if however someone uses a knife and Cut someone the maker of the knife is not liable for that Everyone knew it was a knife and it was sharp and it's the person who used the knife that's responsible however, if I have an AI and I say hey AI go Take care of that guy across the street and the AI goes over across the street and eliminates the guy Who's told him to do it or is it that person who trained the AI who should have trained the AI not to do that And you know it might be it does force the it does force the issue of whether or not you consider them Persons or electronic persons quote. Yeah, I mean, we don't do that for animals I know some countries like Spain and think New Zealand have recognized the great apes as Equal or having quote-unquote human rights. It's pretty rare though. Yeah But that's what I'm saying like those are those are those are the exceptional cases that that prove the rule that no one does it Yeah, I just there's a lot of stuff there and I think it's one of those things that's great that it's being talked about It's definitely one of those things you want to go rush headlong, you know You know head straight in without clearly defining a lot of these issues because there are many they overlap And they're not as clear as you think like yeah, and this report is not saying Let's pass all these rules right now. It's saying we think this is a good framework to discuss It's a totally positive development and I hope that other Other governmental bodies around the world also take similar action because it's it's coming a lot quicker than people realize It's not just a the future To get all the tech headlines each day in less than 10 minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines comm All right, as we mentioned the Nintendo switch Announced yesterday arriving March 3rd or March 2nd For $299 you get a console with 32 gigs of memory One bundle includes two gray joy con controllers Those are the controllers that slide on to the side of the screen or slide on to a dock where you can use it like a Normal controller when the screen from the switch is in its dock There's another version that comes with one red and one blue controller. That's the neon set So one side is blue one side is red switch can be played in three modes TV mode Which means it's seated in the dock and games are played while looking at the TV Handheld mode where you play it like a standard portable system and tabletop mode where players can throw back the tablet's kickstand and rest it on A table and then detach the controllers for some solo or multiplayer action features a 6.2 inch 720p 1280 by 720 multi-touch display that when docked can output at 1080p runs a custom Nvidia Tegra processor Has a micro SD card slot if you need more than the 32 gigs that are in there and games will ship on game cards Nintendo claims between two and a half and six hours of battery life for the console when undocked and it charges over usb-c It can connect up to eight switches for land play over 802 11 ac Wi-Fi and also can connect to ethernet with an adapter to the dock Nintendo also announced an online service for the switch that launches for free But will become a paid service in the fall and includes Access to one free NES SNES game each month and at the end of the month your access to that game goes away unless you buy it And the other big news was that the Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild will also launch on March 3rd along with the game so Roger how did you think I mean we got some hardware specifics But I know on Twitter yesterday you were complaining that they weren't giving you enough specs is the Nvidia Tegra 720p screen that's not enough for you, huh? No, I mean, it's it's one of those spec war things that you know gaming nerds really get into and you know The general audience are like well, you know as long as the play it plays games, but um It's it's interesting that if you actually watched the Watched the the announcement. He focused heavily on the controllers like heavily And it does at least to me seem like they are focusing on the very interactive or rather the The interface aspect of the player to the machine that made the we so popular and that they tried to replicate with the Wii U It was with a lot less success and that you know They obviously aren't going to be able to compete with the ps4 or the Xbox one on Graphics prowness and they really didn't reveal too much about their online, you know Strategy other than you know, it's gonna be free initially then it's gonna be paid for service a lot of question marks So I think they really wanted to kind of cement The the differentiation of their product which is hey look We got these new controllers that work more than just you know, pressing buttons and moving the knobs you can use it Like you would with the old Wii controller in space for example, they were showing a punch out a boxing game That use that and you could tilt the controllers and you could punch. They also feature IR and as well as motion sensitive receiver on on or sensor on one and then the IR sensor on the other stick The other thing that I also noticed was they featured heavily at least with the games on Japanese RPGs Which tells me that they want to cement their their their market in Japan You know like with the with the game players. They want to make sure that they have that home audience locked in Before they move out because the the two games the announced from Western partners in the third party It was Skyrim, which is you know a port of a game that's been out for about three four years Wow Yeah, and then FIFA which is you know a very safe bet for EA, right? Although they haven't brought FIFA to a Nintendo. Oh, no. No, that's what I'm saying though But it's it's a game that they know is popular in other systems sure and so they're bringing over something that it's like Hey, it's a pretty safe bet right? They're not gonna do something risky With a new console on a on a on a launch on a launch platform without let's get let's get to the price for For the same price as you can get an Xbox or a PlayStation now granted not not the Xbox one s And and not the the 4k version of the PlayStation 4 the pro But but you you can get a more powerful console for the same price It seemed like what they were trying to do also when by showing all those controllers is to say hey We are more fun. We can do things you can't do with those other consoles So folks who aren't tied to particular titles You're gonna have a lot more fun They kept talking about smiles and fun and joy and that's why it's called the joy con and It felt like one-two switch Which is the other launch title that they announced made by Nintendo is their Wii sports where you you can use the joy cons without even looking at a screen to do things like you know Have a have a shooting a quick draw match with one another and things like that I mean, you know, it's it's interesting ever since, you know Post SNES world, you know, Nintendo really hasn't been able to keep up with Sony and Microsoft or or even Sega at some point on the graphics portion Power processing portion of their device and so they're going with the strong point the one that they know worked with the We let's say with the Wii U of course, but also the the portable aspect that they had with The DS and the 3ds and so and if you at the beginning they mentioned that they took all those aspects of all They made a long long Argument that all the best things from every Nintendo that's ever existed are here in the Nintendo switch And you know, they're they might you know, they could definitely be right They could definitely have again found the magic sauce that makes playing games because they realize At least for them what made it so fun was people were playing with other people next to them And so I think about the Wii though is it was significantly cheaper than the other consoles So you could easily pick one up in addition to your Xbox 360 back in the day Granted the Xbox's and PlayStation's aren't as expensive So maybe that helps but this is now on par in price to those other consoles It's not a cheap add-on and that's you know And that's the and that's that's kind of the headscratchers like will for the longest time Nintendo has said they will not take They will not lose money on the on the hard way they sell I mean will they have to at this point in the game to in order to get their market share to say, okay We're gonna bite the bullet no longer. We're just gonna break even or make a little money on it We'll actually take a loss just to get these systems out there So we'll have an installed base that we can sell our games into yeah Well in order to do that you have to release games. That's the other problem There's only two games they announced at launch all the other third-party games coming later this year And even Mario Odyssey isn't coming to the holidays So, you know, they must they must feel that Zelda will be I'm not saying they're right, but They're banking that Zelda will be the golden ticket that gets a huge ticket Yeah, and it's definitely it definitely is a ticket But is it the big enough ticket for people to spend the money and then hopefully wait because people have been burned With the Wii U waiting for titles they were hoping would come down the pile. They weren't promised But they were anticipating stuff that never materialized Will they do it again? Will they say okay? Wii U We can understand that didn't work out as well as we wanted to But we'll go to the switch We love Zelda we're gonna play the heck out of it and at the end of the year We're gonna have we know there's gonna be a Super Mario game waiting for us I've seen a lot of people speculate that Nintendo would drop the price once Mario comes out at the holidays I wouldn't say depends on what you mean by drop. I can see them bundling it for the same price But not an actual price drop like cuz Will they I mean it's that that short that's a short period of time to drop your price Right is that the strategy could be These the prices of these components are going down that we could still be Break-even on the hardware or profitable on the hardware and charge a lower price So let's go to the upper end of our range for launch and get the devoted Nintendo fans off cycle out of the holiday shopping season And then once we get closer to the holidays We'll have more titles will have Zelda and Mario and the people who aren't as devoted Nintendo fans Who don't have to buy the new console the minute comes out we can drop the price and still make money out I mean didn't Microsoft do something similar where they didn't drop the price, but they have started bundling games With the console. So in effect, it was a price drop without saying it was a price drop Yeah, and so it would be a way to save face without necessarily You know souring the customer on on their I don't think they care about saving face But it would stop people from saying hey wait a minute I got ripped off because I bought the Nintendo at $2.99 and now it's $1.99 if you're still selling at $2.99 But you're just bundling in Mario. Yeah, it helps make that argument. It definitely it definitely does sweeten the pot The problem the biggest problem is there's so many vape like question marks about future titles other than you know, the Japanese RPGs and Skyrim and the was it the there's two-in-one switch or switch two-in-one Switch one switch and the Splatoon two Which are all great But I mean there just didn't seem to be enough on the plate to satisfy like okay, those are cool Not yet Maybe there'll be more announcements coming But you think you'd want to make sure that those announcements were in your in your big March 3rd unveiling as well so the thing is they're coming from they're coming from a point of They're coming from behind and so you would think they would want to up their game to kind of really go Go in with a bang and say hey listen up. We're gonna get all these titles I'm sure they did want to do that. The question is why they didn't and I'm not sure that either one of us have an answer But they didn't so so now we have to figure out okay Two things one is this going to be a success from the commentator point of view right like are we gonna see people buying this? I think we'll see more people buying this than a lot of people think Because at $299 it's still not ridiculously expensive and it looks really fun It's a mobile device and a home device and that is something we haven't seen before and a lot of people are gonna want it for that a lot Of people like you say are gonna want it for Zelda and they're gonna eventually want it for Mario It will probably be better sales than the Wii U is my guess because it makes more sense That said is it something that we would recommend buying like how many of those people like if now thinking about it from the Consumer side as the person who wants to buy it should you buy one of these and and that's where that launch title Deficit becomes a problem And you know what it's not even just launch titles. It's the fact that they really haven't clearly Detailed now you're right there. They're all they're all my few launch titles But you're like oh, but there'll be dozens by the time you know October rolls around, you know That would be different but it that still is it the case that there isn't there anything though To wet the appetites of people are on the fence Nintendo loyalists and fans to Well, you know honestly the other thing is like what exactly is there online strategy? I mean we know they have one, but what exactly is it? I think more details to come means that they haven't quite put the infrastructure in place Well, they haven't they either haven't the infrastructure or they haven't had all the deals That they want signed in place Because that could make up for a lot if suddenly they're like not only will you get one classic SNES game? Accessed a month not even getting a keep like you do with Xbox and Sony But you'll also get this amazing Environment and access to these games like there kind of has to be another announcement there If that's going to be worth paying forever and you know what Nintendo does not have a good track record for online interaction and it's All of this said I really like the form I think they I think they've definitely come up with one of the best console forms That I've seen in a long time not not for hardcore players by any stretch That's that's Xbox and Sony's province and always has been but this this ability to do some motion tracking Not even have to look at the screen pull the screen off keep playing the game take it with you the opportunities It gives you are pretty amazing and and that's why I think we're focusing so much on on the game lineup Is because they're sort of blowing a great platform here if they don't bring the games and you know It's it's very telling that they went with a device or they designed device Purposely to be both mobile as well as a sit sit on the couch in front of the TV device because you know For the longest line having the two lines having a portable and having their home console line is as it's served Nintendo super well, but there came a point where you know with the with the home console sales Not bringing in as much money. They had to rely More on the on the handheld which was good until the 3ds wasn't bringing in the expected amount of money No, it's not to say that Nintendo is hurting for cash. I mean there shouldn't a huge pile of it But it does it does at least signify that there is a there's a shift in how they view that Landscape it's no longer two separate, you know tracks It's not one and it could help them because now they don't have to split development, right? They don't have to make oh you're doing this you're doing this mobile game I would believe that if we were seeing a bunch more titles Well, and that's and you know what that could come down straight to just the way Their PR was handled right they might actually have this stuff And they just weren't ready to announce them or they just they just want they just want to have to make sure that the Polishes there before they release it But you know overall it's just a mixed bag and it seems At least what they detailed there outside of the Zelda Which I super want and the actual console itself is which is really cool You know, it's like well as a consumer I won't I won't necessarily put a pre-order in because I'm not one of those people That is a Nintendo fan enough to put my money down I'm I'm one of those people that buys it to tell you how big of a nerd I am I actually bought a game cube because I wanted to play Rogue Squadron Because that was a franchise. I super loved and I bought I bought a game cube for that reason But there wasn't just enough games follow-on after that to keep me on that system and I think you know They definitely have a huge amount of work ahead of them to kind of Wax through that. I mean Nintendo and PlayStation PlayStation Microsoft and Sony have already done a lot of the groundwork for their online strategies And it's working well for for both of them in the respective markets Although more so for Sony And I'm curious to see if Nintendo has an ace up their sleeve They haven't announced it because they want to make sure Everything's right before they they pull the trigger on it or if they just you know with with the with the with kind of an a I mean, you know, they don't know where they're going with it Basically because they've they've lost a key figure in the organization. Yeah We will see thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com quick couple of messages here Regarding the topic of smart phones and Assistance responding to your voice Mohan writes just wanted to touch on that topic My first generation moto X which is not being used anymore But it is my backup phone only turns on when I say when I say The Google now trigger phrase and my galaxy s6 only responds to me when I say the trigger phrase My wife's s6 edge responds to me and her and we both have input our voices to it But we'll not activate for anyone else and then Eddie Regasa tweeted to us that you can set series to recognize only your voice I have set it up that way and it does not go off unless it's my voice If you don't remember setting it up go into settings choose Siri and turn on Hello or turn off and then on allow. Hey Siri to trigger the training again So it's it's there. It's there in phones already for Google and for Apple Come on Amazon. Just just bring that along make a firmware update do it And I just set off my phone doing that Alright, thank you Roger Chang for joining us. Of course What is there anything to let folks know about before we move along? Yeah, if you want to follow me at Jolly Roger Yes on Twitter. Yeah Twitter go check it out Len Peralta I mean finally we handed you a very illustratable topic That's pretty exciting about this. Yeah, I don't know what to think about the switch I'm getting to the age in my life where I am not really into video games anymore, although I really want to be so You know if someone buys it, I'll play it I don't know if I'm gonna run out and get it But here's the one thing you guys didn't mention in the show which was a Super Mario Odyssey The name of the city is New Donk City and The image here I've drawn which I think is great by the way New Donk City although Although Link is not as happy. He says yeah, it's cool meaning the switch But just please don't tell me they've added levels called Donk Lohoma and or Landonk So, you know, I actually hope that happens it's not easy to turn Hyrule into Donk I would you know what maybe it's a creature. Maybe they have, you know, you know, donkeys or something like that. Who knows donkeys Donkeys make me a dumb city. That's right. That's right. So, yeah Just you know, it's the first time I've able I've been able to draw Mario I think in one of these and also a little fun little image of Link as well Which is right now up in my online store So if you go to Len Peralta store.com check it out You can download it right now. You can get it and purchase it download it And then one other thing I wanted to mention. It's the month-long commission. I'm doing a commission for a month There's the right on the front page. 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Talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network. Get more at frog pants.com I just noticed you didn't go for the eyes on Mario's hat. Oh Yeah, you know a considered choice. No, you know what I would I went I went old school with Mario I should have done the eyes though. I'm not saying you should have I'm just I was curious if that was no, that's Sam I saw that and I was like, I don't know weird. We didn't talk about it in the show, but that's weird It is kind of weird. That's why it was sort of like is that a thing There are a lot of things that I wasn't really sure about this switch the hat thing was one of them this new Donk City. I didn't know if people loved it. I hadn't even noticed. That's hilarious. It's new Donk City, man That's what it's called. And then the whole humans along with Mario There was a huge thing online about is Mario human or not? If so, why are the humans taller than him? Why are they're all worried he's just a little person he comes from he comes from a different world, right? Isn't that the whole thing does he I thought he was from Brooklyn a plumber from I thought he different Brooklyn I knew Donk City, man Maybe that's people in the new new Donk City or in the 50s. I don't know. Yeah, it's people for it's the Brooklyn That's next to new Donk City It's a burrow of I want to go to new Donk City Speaking of sassy Yeah, go through some of your favorite names, but I'm pretty sure I know which one I'm gonna use Nintendo's last switch effort That's the one I'm pretty sure that's the one I'm leaning toward Will people switch back to Nintendo was my second Actually, it was only to to switch for my blood to switch for that's pretty good switch or ditch Well, you can't ditch it because you know it hasn't been out yet to ditch it. What's up with your back door? Yeah, that's pretty funny. It's not a back door But what's that with a more slowly rising loss lifts all boats? Oh Well, but honestly Nintendo's last switch effort Yeah, no, it's it's running away with the vote at showbot.tv and and also it's just really good It could either sink or swim the company we'll see By the way, I don't know if we make this clear when we say you can download the digital version of Len's art and print it Or download it and have it right now like literally right now if you're watching this live You can buy it download it and if you have a color printer print it Darren has done this on the show live before it's pretty amazing That's it's about as close to actually being here with me Do it and me drawing something for you so it's like it's like Len just jumps down a green pipe And shows up in your house, and then there's that weird Mushroom and becomes your size and then there's weird bear paws in there, too with the I'm full. Yeah, I wish I wish they didn't do a separate event. I mean, I know that why they want to but Yeah, you went from bear paws to something else. Where'd you go? for legends all the Was it the wild breath of the wild breath of the wild I can't remember anything. It's not working You need some sleep, man. I'm so sorry Apologize to everyone Stop apologizing you're fine. You're apologizing. What are you Canadian? Speaking of which Jen cutter was supposed to join us today and then she got the con crud without even going to the con I hope she feels better soon. That's no good. She it's Yeah, she was definitely ill. She she respond. I got she got back to me. That's like, ah I hope she feels better. She is a she is a Nintendo Nut she just loves it That's the thing is I I really I really didn't like Nintendo during the NES days Mainly because I didn't have a game console So it wasn't really that I didn't like it, but I just wasn't like oh, that's the best thing ever It wasn't until I got a s a super nintendo that I realized this stuff is pretty sweet But you know, it's interesting because nintendo has had such a impact on Not just video gaming, but but a lot of people's you know, childhoods that it is Pretty keen that you know people are still so loyal to that brand despite, you know The missteps with the Wii U and some other things honestly The Wii U is the only big people to talk about all kinds of missteps with nintendo that I'm like, okay You may not have liked that, but I'm not sure it was a misstep the nintendo Wii I see a lot of people just saying like yeah something that that people bought and put in a closet never used What a failure. I'm like what a multi-million dollar failure Right and and still has positive feelings for a lot of people So just because you didn't like it doesn't mean it was a failure On the other hand, I think the nintendo Wii U was demonstrably a failure Like they just didn't sell them and nobody understood the advantage to buying one. Well, yeah I think you know, it's funny because I see if you look at their their hardware line You can see how the Wii U was kind of that bridging You know like like the missing link between The Wii U and the switch Ah Well link to the switch Yeah, the Wii U It didn't make any sense because You could spend you could get a ps4 or an xbox one for around the same amount of money And get a better More, you know better looking much better. Yeah, yeah better looking games And the other thing too is it I wasn't made I mean nintendo has always been kid friendly, but that device it just seemed like it was gonna break I would not put that into my hands of a four year old, you know to play with and and there's there's there's that to worry about Because it's super expensive to replace. It's not just like getting a Wii U remote, you know use It's an actual screen and stuff like that. I mean they really learn Learned from that experience and you can see it, right? The the actual unit is part tablet with the dock But the actual controllers are Yeah, they're like little iPads. Yeah, and and they're and they're the controls once you pop them off They're just like the Wii U controllers, right? You come they come with the straps Except that you get you get you get the ability to take each other half and give the other half to someone else that you can play Uh head to head on whatever game that supports that feature Yeah, and then you know, I ended up playing that that new mario app over at the holidays too Mario run. Yeah, I was really disappointed by that. Yeah, I was disappointed in that myself I mean You just had to pay to get to the other world There was no like free option that if you just wanted to grind We talked a lot about the fact that it was a lot of it was perception If you just paid ten dollars from the beginning You would have thought oh, yeah, okay So there's no in-app purchases and I pay ten dollars right because they gave it to you free Yeah, you're like, oh wow ten dollars is a lot because you're right different mindset at that Well, no you really I mean I play a bunch of games that offer in-app purchases And I've been playing them for months and months and months just because you get to grind and yeah And that's what I was kind of expecting with that I'd probably add it to my list of daily little games to play if I didn't have to pay to play the worlds I'm like, you know, what's the point? So but you only pay once And then you play the rest of the world's it's it's just a weird way of doing it because yeah Yeah, it is because I paid and now I'm playing the worlds and I'm like and I still have to earn tickets and things It's like what isn't this a free to play It's because they don't understand they don't have experience in that market or I don't know if it's that because they didn't the design this They contracted someone to design this who does have experience in that so I think maybe I feel like it's more indecision But they wanted this to be freemium at first and designed it that way and then change their mind Yeah, that's what it feels like to me somebody somebody had the a higher up sought and said well How was this make any money for us? And then they got to add that in, you know, it's like part now part of the brief Or or yeah, like oh no no in-app purchases are not the nintendo way We you know, that's not fun. What's fun is playing two free levels and charging you ten dollars. That's fun. Yeah I mean like for like I don't like Like with the nintendo switch I mean, why do you need two different color lines? Why don't you just make it all multicolored? I don't know they make weird they make a lot of weird decisions I mean some of those people up like when they had some of the third party they had One guy who really didn't say it was after the sega Guy I forgot what the company was with but he didn't really say anything about the games are releasing just made like we're gonna integrate Play modes, it's like it was just very vague. There wasn't anything there And if they already knew what they were going to say ahead of time, why have them on? Yeah, it felt like and this goes with the online service It felt like there's a lot of things they're not ready to announce yet That they're still like I wonder if there's and you you sort of touched on this in the show roger I wonder if there's a lot of confusion and indecision Because of a lack of decisive leadership Uh, because it feels it definitely feels like no one just said okay. No, we're doing this. Yeah No, I think you may have nailed it there And I did want to dwell too on it because it's I feel bad for nintendo because it is a it is a An incredible company that has really struggled a lot to find its place in this world And that's really I think the hardest thing I know they're nintendo fanboys and everything like that, but I used to be a huge nintendo fanboy and then they got swallowed by playstation and xbox and they just never were able to fight back Well, you know and I always think they were fighting the last war. I mean, that's that you know, that's kind of the thing that Foreign policy specialists say about militaries. It was planned for the last war. I think nintendo was still playing The game that they are playing that the market that they they used to be in and You know xbox kind of or at least under Spencer kind of pushed forward with like online online online Sony reluctantly followed them, but they caught up very quickly Well, I yeah, I also think that they I mean You and people love mario. They love zelda, but it's it's enough already. That's like, you know, give me something totally new I I love zelda. I think the legend sure franchise and I haven't actually played every single game But I just love that franchise I am excited about playing breath of the wild, but I totally get what you're saying Which is like, okay always love a new mario Loves it legend of zelda, but you gotta give me more than just that right It's like I looked at the lineup of games. It's like zelda mario kart. I'm like really this is yeah It doesn't get you excited about it Like I love chicken, but when I made my stir fry last night, I put some vegetables in and I made some rice Yeah, I didn't just serve chicken. So so so this is this is the crux I mean you see it in other other non video gaming franchises like comic books and stuff where they just We use the same iconic characters over and over again and they'll they'll change facets about them, but What you really want is like new ip new characters that will stand alongside the mario's the links sure To kind of build out because right now you it's like, okay, you're relying on this like where's the where's samus? Where is metroid? I mean that that's something those are part of that world too. Where is uh, I mean you could bring uh, Simon belmont castlevania back That's kanami, but yeah, I mean they could totally Especially since kanami's con belly up. Yeah, right. Why not? Why not just grab that? I mean that to me Where's donkey kong come on? Right Was the new donk city Honestly, I thought that was one of the worst names they could come up with donkey kong or New donk There are people out there that love it and then there's people that hate it. I mean I think it's ridiculous I'm like, what is this new donk city thing like what is that because the world kind of resembles crazy taxi a little bit to me Like it's weird. It's really strange. It's a very strange, you know, it's very strange They just need to ramp up the number of titles and the problem is The last time they did that at least on the we you a third party all they got was shovelware Like just crappy they don't have the third party relationships to let to lean on that So they have to do it internally and it's not happening for whatever reason and again. I think I think roger has nailed it it is it is uh rule by committee happening And that's why you look at that hardware platform that hardware platform is is is tight It is a good hardware platform. That is exactly what nintendo needed to do after the we you the we you was wrong This is right. This actually does what nintendo does best Which is take the hardware in a different direction than the big consoles are taking so that there is an advantage to it Even though they don't have all the titles But they're relying too much on that because their strategy, which is like title release and all of that seems to be in disarray Yeah, well while this was evident a couple years ago at um E3 when nintendo didn't even bother showing up They just sent a video and then you know that was to me that was like the start of like the end for nintendo But they started they've been doing that for a while. That's to me That's just more than trying to be a little bit more apple-like or finance I thought I thought I looked at it as a as a financial decision. I said maybe they don't want to travel out there But well, you know, it's it's not the wrong message. I guess As a consumer, I said I I you know, I see xbox and playstation And I mean honestly if they do that same move and they have like an incredibly successful console release I don't think you feel that way I think it has more to do with the fact that the wii u is like really you're not even there and this is your Right and I'm not seeing any I mean I was I would like to see for nintendo Personally just because I love the company and have a you know long history with them I would love to see another great thing like the we like the just the we like the we announcement how excited everybody was for that um That lives up to the hype and yeah You know, you know the other thing I was just thinking last night I am missing games like like a bio shock like the original bio shock Not in nintendo just general but just in gaming in general Well, you know, that's what you're saying is you're missing a new fresh IP and this is this is my beef against marvel and dc is that Yeah, you have a different captain america, but it's a still a captain america and only now have they Uh started pulling from their back catalog of characters that they've had and they have a really deep one They just never really use them Right like people would be surprised if you found out that you know after the original captain captain marvel died Uh, he was replaced by one that was an african-american woman, but that's totally skipped over because Miss marvel or not miss marvel Uh, um, it was a missy. It's a miss marvel. Yeah, miss marvel became captain, uh, the new captain Uh captain marvel and so it was just uh, I mean they have they have such a deep pool And it's always frustrating when they just pull. Oh, here's a variant of spider man But here's spider gland. Yeah, I mean they get it That's and that's what i'm seeing in video games in general That's why I think I've kind of gotten out of video games is because there isn't anything that's so exciting I was I mean I was remembering playing bio shock for the first time and being and thinking boy That's such a just an incredible game just on all levels just a really great game. I was just I loved bio shock I love bio shock too even though bio shock too. It was just really just warmed over bio shock, right Bio shock three was very disappointing. Yeah, no, I remember talking to cesser He was over the moon like a cow and uh Just imagine that there was nothing can ever Nothing has ever matched. I guess the closest thing that's that's sort of matched it was the arkham's games Arkham, you know arkham was good arkham's the last one was at arkham night arkham night Yeah, I was playing that and I liked it But it just felt like it just felt like another installment of the same Yes, it did only with a bet with a better system, right? Yeah and so it's So much money is being poured into these games that everyone like what tom was saying It's like it feels like certain things are done by a committee because there's so much money at stake Well, have you ever have you have you been to a game stop lately? Have you walked in there? I? Yeah, they all It's terrible. They're horrible It's like I said I tweeted out that it's like pop culture vomited in here because it's like Everything and all and I'm not seeing anything that's exciting at all Nothing sticks out. It really feels like If it feels like a store that's it feels like bellock buster on on its final Yes, but if you crammed in the ghostiness of spencer's and hot topic with video games Well, there's like there's like you can get a sand disc little uh usb thing here is shaped like uh, zelda and then Like why is this here? We're you know and then the tv's and and it's a small store and there's so much crap here That doesn't mean anything like funko. I love funko, but I don't want funko in the store What does it mean to me to get funko here? Well, because because game spot is trying to transition to a post buying physical video games Right. They're they're on their last likes too. They're they don't expect you to stick around if you're not into that stuff They're trying to keep the other people try that too. They were I remember buying a lot of toys from eevee games Because they were that's what they were trying to do. They're trying to shift. We're not just going to be video games We're going to sell the action figures. Yeah, we're going to sell all this kind of nerd pop culture stuff It didn't save them But here's the problem. We don't see those kinds of stores right now for a reason People don't go and buy good people people open comic book shops And then sell those sort of things those are sidelines to other main enterprises You can't make that your main enterprise. Yeah, it would be smarter for game spot to just become a chain of comic book shops Honestly, yeah comic books stores don't really make a lot of money either. No, they're done by by for love. Yeah, not ready Oh, no, yeah, they're told they're like record stores, right? Yeah, like they're still around but there are a lot fewer of them And they're mostly independent because it's somebody who really cares. Yeah You can't do it. There's no they're you're not being you're not going to be a rich person Running one of those stores, but you do it because you love that you will be beloved though in the community Yeah, totally. Well, unless you're really rude. Yeah Here we got a good we had a good comic book shop. So yeah, we do too. Actually, we have a really good one here All right. Uh, thanks everybody for watching. It was a great show. It was a great time Don't forget we're off for monday So there'll be just a short headline show in your feed and then back with full episodes on tuesday Happy mind luther king jr. Day