 Welcome back everybody. This is Michael Krista and Laura here at the Nebraska Library Commission with Big Talk from Small Libraries 2015. Here for it is 1 p.m. central time and just to do a little bit of housekeeping here. If you've just joined us, if you have any questions for our presenters, you can do that two ways. You can submit those via the Q&A section of GoToWebinar or we are monitoring Twitter with the hashtag BTSL. There is no active chat room in the software, so if you have comments or questions, please submit them one of those two ways. We are recording the day and we will be posting those recordings and all of our presenters slides post the event, probably sometime next week. And that is pretty much the housekeeping. So our first session of the afternoon is Pope Nobel, the director of the Tamarack District Library. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. Talking about little free public libraries, welcome Hope and take it away. Thank you very much. I am really excited to be with all of you today, partly because it's been a little while since I've talked about these little libraries. And this is the project of all the projects I've done so far in my professional career that I've had to love the most. So I am excited to get to talk about it again. My name is indeed Hope Nobel and I'm going to give you just a little roadmap of what I will cover with you today. I will spend a little time on the productions. I'll talk about the goals of the project as we conceived it. I'll give you an overview of our timeline, our results, and then we'll take it away for you. And I chose this photo of this road because it is not straight. And with a project like this, one is likely to change direction at times. It certainly did. Also, it represents West Virginia quite well. And this project did take place in West Virginia. I was a library director for two years in the Jackson County area of West Virginia. And fairly enjoyed it. That is where this project placed the most recently located library in West Virginia. So here's a little photo of myself. You might recognize this if you looked at the speaker bottles. I cringed it down for the head shot. But I did want to just actually let you see the full photo. Partly so you wouldn't know that I have that goofy expression on my face. And partly because Art Pads for our graphics is going to come up again later in the presentation. And it was part of my inspiration for a piece of this project. So I thought that was a good piece to include. I want to introduce you to the Jackson County Public Library. I think it's very important to librarianship to understand that not all libraries are the same. Not all communities are the same. And your library, in my view, which I'm familiar with here, reflects the community that it serves. And so I'm going to give you a picture of this community because without the community and the fabric that underlay this library, this project would never have happened. This is also the first step that we took along the road of this project. I gave this presentation to every community group I could find in the Jackson County area in the fall of 2013. It was the first time that many of those organizations have ever heard a lot of these details about the library. They've been a whole new field of the library as well as introducing them to the community. I was the new librarian at that point. And it was an incredibly useful tool to where the ground was present for this project. So let me just walk you through it very briefly. Oh, that's not what was supposed to happen, right? There we go. Sorry about that. Many people don't even know how a library is organized. We know because we're librarians. But that was useful in our presentation. And I do not talk just briefly about these funding sources because I made a point to go to each of the organizations that give funding to the library and give them this presentation. It is also important to just briefly mention when we began this project, there was no money in my budget to pay for a project. So I had to come up with something that didn't require library funding. I was successful in doing that. And I'm sure that that is a challenge many of you will be facing. As we continue to go through some of this, I do want to say it's time to brag on the library. That's another reason that I enjoyed through giving this presentation. It's fun to just kind of look and see what it is that the library is all about. And take a step back and say, oh, this is what we accomplished. This is what the statistics were. I pulled almost everything from this presentation from the state report that I had to do anyway. And we all have to do state reporting. So rather than let all of that work go to waste, I found a lot to do pretty about. Hope? Yeah. Sorry to interrupt. Is there any way you can get a little closer to your microphone? We're getting a little... Okay. Is this better? Yes. Yeah, that should do. Thank you. Okay. I will try to keep my voice up. I tend to speak quite softly. Interestingly enough, that was something that I heard brought up in these presentations as well. So I will do my best. And if it comes up again, just please drop a note and let me know. And this library, this small library in West Virginia, serves an incredible number of people. It is absolutely integral to their community. And you can see from the numbers that my staff worked very, very hard to do. I call this as a small library because we had two locations. Even though our service population was larger than a small library would typically have, the two branches served primarily their towns. So you're doing Ravenswood and you'll see that in a moment. We'll serve by this. And even though they're part of a county system, a two-branch county system, they function very individually because even within those two towns, they were very different. And so each branch had a different flavor. And I try to be very respectful of that as the director of the system. Let me just kind of keep going through some of this information. Some of it's relevant to what we're talking about today. Some of it is not. Some of it's just by way of interest. But it was all interesting for people from the community. Now this is something that I want us to look at more closely. When I came to Jackson County, we were doing the first week that I was there. I got caught. I barely knew how to find my phone, but I was able to answer the phone. I hadn't learned much else, but I had learned that much. And I was asked by the gentleman on the other line, if I had a literacy program. I think there was a way for me to learn how to read. And I put them on hold and asked my staff. And they said, no, there isn't anything like that in the county. So I got back on and I said, so we're looking at a literacy initiative. Can I call you back when we've got something in place? And I started looking. That became one of the major goals of my primary education. And that was one of the reasons that we did get to know about that initiative. Because it was something that, you know, supports the concept of literacy and the culture of literacy in the community of which we were affected. I want to talk to you now about those little three languages, because I think it's important to give you a little bit more about what we're looking at. And that was something that I also introduced in that presentation. You can go to Literature Library website here. And just take a little brief look around. Forgive me if you are ready to know a little bit of the concept, but I don't want to keep talking about it without giving a little bit of overview to those people who don't know about it. This is what I did when I first became familiar with Literature Libraries. I heard about it. I went on the website and I looked around. I spoke with the executive director, Pat Hull, and asked him if there was any reason why we could not, as a public library, use this idea. And he said, no, it's a free country. Go ahead. In fact, he became very excited about it. And I'll talk about that more in a little while. He was very generous to our project. So this is what is a Literature Library? Why are they valuable? The focus of Literature Libraries is, in fact, the literacy, which meant that it was a perfect fit for what I was trying to do with the literacy initiative. The ways to get involved were listed. And this became a wonderful, wonderful resource for me as I began planning the project. And I talked with the cities in the country about their zoning laws. I worked through ways to build a library. I heavily, heavily, mean to promise, find someone locally to build one for you. That's suggested here. I found ways to build support within the community. I worked through the steps that are on this page, although I may not have done it in exactly the order that they gave because my project was somewhat unique. The little libraries, I'll just answer this question that way because I think it might come up later, are not yet registered on the map, but they will be at one point. And there are some cleaning stories that I'll talk about altogether. Plans and tips for library builders also was an excellent resource for me. How to build the library. Rules about the design. I know rules. I was able to do it very open. There are blueprints and measurements for builders. And I did go on here as I was beginning to promote this community. And I printed this plan in just a simple double-sided format and started to distribute that. So we'll see you all about that later. That gives you just a small taste of what's available on that website. And I'll let you all go and look at that more as you choose to in the future. I want to talk a little bit about the timeline. And this would be different for different libraries. But I began those community presentations in September of 2013. I had been in the community for just about exactly a year at that point. So I was in a place where I understood and had connections with the community. And I also understood my library growing up that I thought I could go and represent the community. It helped that I knew members of the community had helped a lot that I had been and was active as a member in a lot of community organizations. Again, different projects are going to fit with the libraries. Different communities will and generally different communities. And in West Virginia there's such a strong focus on leadership. The artisan community is very active. And that resonates. We even meet those who are not themselves artisans. It's a part of the Appalachian culture to an extent that was very helpful. It was also helpful that this was a small southern town with really, I think it was just about every corner of every corner organization known to man. And as the library director, I was asked to join all of those clubs. And I became a member of all these different organizations. I was a member of the library and of the Alliance Club, of the Women's Club and the Pilots Club. I got to know the local officials of various levels and ranks. And all of those connections became very helpful because as I went and presented the organizations and to the city councils and to the school board and all of these different organizations, they knew me a little but they got to know me more. And they knew me enough by that time to know that I was someone who would see a project group. And I can't tell you how exciting it was when I got my first sponsor check in November. It was just exhilarating and so exciting. And I will, as you see on here, you see these lists of these different entities. I, as I presented, I told people that I had broken this down into five worlds. My concern, and I think this is important for us to think about, my concern is that if I presented this project it would seem too overwhelming for most people to consider the entire piece, to consider paying for materials and building a library and decorating a library and hosting a library and then being the person responsible to maintain that library. And so I broke it down into those five different roles of sponsor, builder, artist, post and student and I made it very, very clear in the media that I donated that an individual or a company could admit to one or all any variation of any of the pieces in order to be a part of this project. And I really think that that was one of the reasons that it was as successful as it was because that check came in I had presented all of the worlds and said you can take on any of the worlds. But the people to whom I was presenting was this people and the readers in the community they weren't people who maybe had the ability to go out and build something or the time to go out and build something but they could write a check for something that they were convinced was a good thing. And once I had that money in my library's projects line for this project I knew that I had what I needed to pay for any cost that came on later that were not covered by volunteers. The sponsorship amount was $100 and that was intended to cover the registration and library website and incidental installation costs. And as I envisioned the project everything else would be donated by volunteers. So that's a little bit about sponsors and I got those checks coming in and I was excited. And then I thought okay now I need to really push for a building. So I looked around and I took some time to try to find different organizations and so on and I talked to them and those discussions did eventually bear fruit. The people that I spoke with eventually took part in the project but that connection to your library patrons was invaluable with something like this. So my first year at the library was actually built for me in December. I had never seen a man who came in I had never seen him before who had heard that it was possible to get things printed at the library and he was working on a good working project he was retired and he just came in and he said can you finally see pictures of what it was and then I think it was a maybe it was a dream of their house. And I said sure you know I can find pictures of that so I found some pictures and I was talking with them and I said so you like to build things I would. Well how would you like to maybe build me one of these little libraries and I gave him the sheet that I had made up to talk about the project and then I took it and he said well I'll think about it and you went away. He came back about a week and a half later carrying a little free library on a post ready to display in the library it was built by the gingerbread house and he was wearing a Santa Claus hat and I was so thrilled and happy so that was my first building and then building started coming in and money started coming in and in February there was so much buzz in the area in the community so many people asking about it that I thought you know I think that I need to use this for more than just supporting literacy and reaching out to the community I think I need to actually maybe display these little libraries somehow and then I remembered how ArtPrize was put together ArtPrize from Rapids if you recall that photo of me like this art printer I want to show you the document that I came up with for this oh cannot just go through it here it is I put this document together to tell people a little bit about how the project came together and what was happening with it and I went out and I talked with different corporate entities and got soft promises for corporate sponsorships and designed an art contest so that people would know that they could donate the little libraries to the library and looked at it would be an opportunity also for them to win the cash prizes and what I eventually got together was a $1,000 prize from one of the largest employers in the county in scallion a $1,500 prize from S.D.O.C. Classics another larger business in the area and then actually a community building group that hadn't yet committed when I painted this up way back in April also did donate $250 it was interesting to design this contest I had never done anything like it before but I I found that the project and this is one of those turns in a row that I talked about I found that the project began to kick on a life of its own and if these little libraries were going to be of the quality that I hoped they would be I needed to find a way to to recognize that and have that be recognized in the community and this this was what I came up with to be that and it was very useful and it was very helpful and it worked as I hoped it would so that was when the idea for the art contest came together but it wasn't until April that I finally got my sponsors and got the word out about it we got the little libraries in in June and then we displayed them in July we gave the prizes out at a big party in July and by that time I was getting more requests for people who wanted to host for little libraries and also more requests for people who wanted to take their students my deadline to get all of the hosts and students was September because I wanted them to be installed in our public and they weren't that installed in our public and I'm going to give you a couple little pictures of how this looked and how this worked we're going to go to the Decent Council Public Library Facebook site and let you see how that started to come together the first the Outreach Libraries with all their fascinating beauty we ended up with 25 of them and I wanted to take a little time to walk through them because as this project came together one of the things that came out of it that I did not foresee was this just incredible incredible opportunity to build community I cannot tell you how many people said in the course of the summer fall that they had no idea that there was this kind of talent in the country and the pride and the solidarity and the community spirit that that built was just a remarkable thing to see it was really really neat so we have these different entries and you'll see there's a number over here on the description number 87556 each of the entries was assigned a number and the voting was done by text I won't talk too much more about that but if anybody has questions I can give you more information about how I put that together that again was patterned after what I would see with Art Prize for Advocates which is an art contest on a much larger scale than this was but it's it's what gave me the idea this young lady was a volunteer at the library and did a decorate one these folks were a school teacher in the area and her father they built this together as her gift to him for Father's Day this beautiful little library was built with stones and all hand decorated she polished the stones and everything together this was my first little library when that came into the door with the gentleman dressed like Santa Claus it's a ginger house and it's charming I think this little library was built and hosted by a church this was one entity who chose to do all five pieces they wanted to do it all so they gave the money they built it they decorated it and as a matter of fact inside you can't see it in this photo but they had cut apart their church directory of photos and put the photos inside the little library it's like that little line in your childhood here's the church here's the steeple open the door see all the people and that I thought was very clever another beautiful and artistically designed little library one of my friends from Pilots Club had a brother who in his retirement chose to work with stained glass and I knew that so I asked her to talk to him and see if he would incorporate stained glass into the library photos and he did indeed do that this charming little gingerbread house type of library was made by one of the local reporters who then because she was involved in the project they would do even more focus to covering it in the library I'll just go through a few more this one's a very large little library the largest one I've seen this was made by a family member classes made this one this one the high school art prize another gingerbread house a Tetris library this was a team we wanted to get involved and I want to talk a little bit more about this one because this is a little library that was built and decorated by a Boy Scout who came alongside in the spring I did present to the Boy Scouts in the fall as one of the community organizations and the Boy Scout leaders said oh this would be a really good Eagle Scout project and I said well yes it would so this young man wanted to do an Eagle Scout project and he came to me and said what can I do and I said this project has become enormous so detailed there's so much going on and would you be able to see about getting maybe 10 little libraries built and so that I can pass them on to artists to decorate for this art contest and he said yes so we ended up coordinating getting actually 12 little free libraries built just rough basic using the plans I had given them the high school shop classes built them for me and then we were able to pass them on to artists and they decorated them this was decorated in memory of young ladies grandmother's friend and was very touching and the dr. Seuss little library which of course is near and dear to the heart of every librarian I think so there you are that's just a brief overview of what some of the little libraries looked like so we had all the little libraries we had them on display they were voted on the art contest prizes were handed out this was all very exciting it raised all kinds of buzz there was a lot of coverage in the media we got on television and radio and in the newspaper I had mentioned that the executive director of little free libraries was excited about this he was extra excited when he found out how many we were putting in in the community he was the one who told me it looks to me that you'll have more little libraries in your in your county than in the whole rest of the state of West Virginia which was sort of fun and then that became buzz too of course because everybody likes to think that their community is just a little more special than anybody else's and again that was part of building a strong sense of community experience so I'm going to go now to installation the Boy Scouts did become wonderful partners on this project and in great part because they just simply had some of the skills that I needed and they like to do projects like this so this gentleman who has a friend of mine from Rotary who noticed all these community connections from being out in community said yeah I'll come and pick up the rest of your little libraries and we'll get them installed we'll do it all in one day so they built the frames for installation he came and picked them up they looked pretty funny we got some very strange looks from some people and there were one or two people who even stopped and said are you stealing the libraries from the library as well and the library director this is what's supposed to happen with them this is a new concept in the community most people have not heard about it and many people I discovered when we got to this pumpkin project actually thought that we had built these little libraries just to keep them in our library which of course wasn't the purpose at all so when they realized these were getting installed and when they saw them out in community they became very very excited all kind of skin through here you see this is the frame that they built was according to notes on the little free library website again these materials were donated I had gotten that sponsorship money if you recall and it was this sort of thing that that money was supposed to cover but in the end I didn't need to use it because so many organizations were so generous that I didn't need to pay for some of those things as I had thought I would so there they are doing very working like these boys had a great time doing it really needed to place picking off the protective covering and there it is and incidentally that law firm Adams Fisher & Chappell Rob Fisher his name is there on the sign he was a friend from the library who wrote me that first sponsorship check and it's good to remember those special people who gave you that first little step along the road he got the Hansel & Gettle Library because it fit the best with his building and when he wrote the check he said he wanted to host one so I was I was sure to honor that I'll talk a little bit more in a little while about how that process worked for matching up hosts with the little libraries but that was just so much fun just the light spot for each little library this was that first library that was donated the mayor of the city of Berkeley was so touched by that story that she said I don't I don't want any other little library I want that little library because I think that's so special that that man did that for you so I said alright you can have that little library and that's the one in front of Tom Hall and that's the mayor there with her blue and bling it's a Viking thing that's the high school football team this if you look on the window there the Jackson County Community Foundation did give a grant to administer this program this project and they said they wanted to host so I said alright you can host let's see what one was best by you and we wanted something that was colorful and would catch people's eye if they went by and so that's the one that we picked in front of the community foundation building and this is another team of Boy Scouts we had four teams of Boy Scouts go out in one day and installed I want to say 16 of these all at once it was incredible and wow did that get the buzz going and then this little library the one that was designed in memory of the grandmother's friend was put in front of the family eating place in Ravensburg again those those community connections are what make these little free libraries special and it was really cool to see that come together and then this was just the very best place for this little white house this is the Ohio River which runs past the city of Ravensburg and this is in the city of Ravensburg I hope I haven't spent too much time dwelling on those photos but I I just want to reiterate that fabric of the community that underlies a project like this is what makes it successful and to see those connections form is what really makes it exciting to actually so our project goes when we initially talked about this project my board and I we said we want to expand library services to all of the top we have two locations it's a large county the outline areas don't have services and it's hard for people to drive in especially those who have lower income and how can we find a way to get out to them we knew we didn't have money for a bookmobile we knew we didn't have money to build another location of the more traditional kind but we wanted to find a way to do it and as I said one of the primary goals of my role there as library director was to build literacy initiatives in the county and those two things came together into the little free library project and then that third element that you see there the community building I don't know if I should call that a goal that wasn't something that I foresaw being a part of this but I'm adding it because it was definitely the third outcome and became greater than the sum of its parts in many ways I need to just take a little drink here a moment if you'll excuse me and I'm going to let you read down this okay turn that you see the list of participation you see the different pieces of the puzzle as they came together and you see what I found to be a simply overwhelming amount of generosity and openheartedness in the community we see a total here of 8,600 dollars that was donated to make this project a possibility and much of that did not need to be spent now of course 3,500 of it is in kind so that didn't actually go into the library's bank account but that still leaves us with a considerable amount of money that was available to administer and that money is still there and it's still being used to keep this going there were not a lot of costs involved with the building and installation and all of those other pieces that I of possible costs but there will be unknown costs in years to come of just keeping these little libraries up maintenance costs will even be possible to use that money to purchase specific books which I when I demand this project did not think was even possible so I guess I set my sights too low but one of the things I was able to do was stop these little libraries not only with donated books which was the original idea donated books and the collection but I was able also to purchase some new books that were specifically related to literacy both adult literacy and beginning or children's literacy and that that was wonderful there's a library director now there who is doing a wonderful job and people find ways to use that money to support this project going through but it was really wonderful to be able to hand this over and say look you know you've got these 25 little satellite locations all around the county and enjoy have fun and here's money to help illustrate it that's not coming out of the library budget I think we've been to this photo album already so I'm going to just kind of keep coming along here this is this is the takeaway that I want to give you and I was concerned about running out of time I think I'm actually ahead of time I must talk faster than I realize so I'll take a few minutes to talk about this and then I can take questions I do have other documents that I used as I built this project it was multi-faceted there are a lot of pieces so I'll be able to give you lots more information but I also want to hear your questions so that we can interact I am going to sum up some of the lessons that I learned from this project I simply saying the best library is the one that reflects its community and to see the ways in which all these elements of the community interacted with the library and the positive results that came from that was incredibly inspiring on this little diagram that I had here I have the library director at the center not because I think that library director is the most important piece of the puzzle in many ways I think I was the least important piece of the puzzle and yet I was I functioned I guess you could say as the one piece that was connected to all the other pieces and there were times that that maybe maybe feel a little bit like I was being pulled in a few extra directions but it was worth it and having that connection thoroughly understanding the mission of the library having an excellent working relationship with my library board which was a wonderful library board anyway understanding the resources that we had available at the library having a good connection with my staff and knowing that I could depend upon them and then that connection with the library users that all enabled me to understand the community better and to go out into the community and make those connections in the community that made the success so I just can't can't emphasize enough for something like this that's what's going to be needed and it was incredibly rewarding and it was just a really good thing. So I will probably take questions at this point and find other ways to give you more information if we run out of questions. Thank you Hope. I know we have a couple questions that have come in from the audience. I want to say though that I think those you wondered if you showed too many photos. No those are absolutely amazing photos. We're all sitting here looking at those going wow and then when you finally saw a person next to them you really got the size of those things that those are quite impressive. So Laura we got a couple questions from the audience. We do and here we have a comment our group loved the photos they say so there you go. Somebody would like to hear a little bit more about how you decided where to put the libraries. Oh sure I wonder what would just bring you to sorry if this is a little strange for the eyes. Okay I'm going to just bring you to what I call the brain of the project. This was my Excel spreadsheet. You'll see that I have some lines hidden here between E and J some columns that's that contained all of the address information and contact information as I had people come to me and say I'm interested in being a part of this how can I be a part of it. I explained to them the different pieces you see here the sponsor, builder, artist, host, steward. And you know on my timeline I had dates for these different things I should explain that that represented sort of firsts and sort of deadlines but all of the information was coming at me through that full period of time. And for whenever I had somebody come to me I had forms that I asked to fill out they had the information of the project on one side personal information on the other side and I just asked them to check what piece of this do you want to be a part of sometimes they check all sometimes they check two or three or more than any you can see for yourself there are the sponsor, builder, artist, host, steward and then I enter their information in and that's the only thing that enabled me to keep track of this because it really did become pretty complex but as time went by to get more specifically to your question of the host I looked at everybody and signed up who wanted to be a host and I looked at the little libraries and I drove around the county and I have some photos of that if we have time I might go to that and show you I fell in love with Jackson County I only lived there for two years and two months and then I came back to Michigan because my family is here but if it were not for my family being here I could have stayed there forever it is beautiful and so as I drove around all these beautiful roads in this West Virginia hilly green loveliness I tried to locate places in addition to people who had signed up I went out and I found places that maybe were intersections where a lot of traffic would come through or high visibility or places in the county that would be good good places to encourage people to go and see sort of a couple of back loads actually I chose and found just these beautiful views and unless you live way up in that little howard which is a real word in West Virginia it's a real true word unless you lived up in the howard you would never see this beautiful view and so I would ask permission you know can we put a little library here so that people can come out and see this and see how beautiful I kind of compiled a list and I do think now I'm going to look just a little you said there weren't too many photos so I'm going to go and I'm going to look at their albums and just see if I do have photos up on this website I have a lot of my own as well so I'm not sure if they're on the site here it doesn't look like they are on the site but I did a big map of the county and I had an intern help me and that it was a map of the county and it had this huge list of suggested locations I think we had at one point over 40 suggested locations and then I would ask people I would say do you think this would be a good location do you know somebody who might be able to help us get a library in this location and as library patrons would come through and we would talk with them we would get more ideas and people would say oh you need to have one at the post office out in out in Cottageville and I know the postmaster and I'll walk to the postmaster and I'd say okay great thank you and we did have an agreement as well for the hosts to sign and I would say here take this host agreement and if they'll fill it out and get it back to me that would be wonderful so that was how I did that that kind of gives you a picture of that great thanks somebody would like to know how did the little libraries hold up through the winner well I told people that they needed basically two requirements people who were thinking of building one would have questions and I said you know here's an example of the plans but don't feel like you have to stick with the plans I just need this to be able to withstand the elements in order to protect the books and it needs to be something that can be installed in a public place those were the two things I said you do anything you want other than that so they took that to heart I did have a gentleman who is a builder by trade who was kind enough to go through all the little libraries when they were all on display and he and I walked through them and he examined them for structural soundness for whether they would withstand the elements and made notes and I copied down what he told me and he actually took about half of them and sprayed them because he said the paint grade wasn't high enough for you know different things so he had a commercial sprayer I reimbursed him for the the materials that he needed but he sprayed them with a lot of cooking agent that he said would protect them sufficiently so the word she that he said you know the way these are decorated are not it's just not going to withstand the elements and those two we found places to install that they would be protected other than that you know couldn't really see any problems so most of the little free library projects that I've been familiar with are not actually connected to a library you know they're just some organization did one or a family did one do yours include any sort of indication that it's connected to the library in any way inside or outside or you know somebody was just coming through town would they be able to tell that this was a project from the library itself yes and how so yes yeah they they were originally intended to be outreach locations of the public library and so I was very careful to keep that as part of the part of the the fabric of the project and we designed signs that listed the sponsor and the artist and in some cases the builder depending but that also included standard text that said an outreach location of Jackson Public Library we have somebody here who's interested in how how were the houses maintained I think what she's saying is how often did you have to check them and like make sure that the books were there were enough books in there and stuff sure I'll talk a little bit more about this fifth role that of the steward the steward's task was and is because presumably that's still going on to check each location or to check their specific location I should say once a week and I listed several things that I was going to ask the steward to check one was that there were enough books or that there were enough for the right kind of books and to come to the library and get other donated books if they were needed then the other was to notify you if there were any maintenance issues if anything was happening that you needed to fix I did not ask the steward to commit to actually being responsible for the maintenance many of them said that they would just because again I was dealing with some very generous people and those who felt that they would be adequate to that task said oh if there's something I'll just take care of it now I should say it would be difficult at this point to give a very thorough answer to some of these questions because if you recall the timeline these were only installed in October of this year or this season I should say last October so this hasn't been actually rolling that long and my deadline for getting them installed was October because I was taking this job in Michigan in November so I kind of handed this this project over I felt like I was giving my baby up for adoption a little bit and so here this is these are all the details this is everything that I can give you to help you make this a success and now you can take it and you can take it in all the directions that you choose but the short answer to your question is that the student puts an eye on it and lets the library know and then the library well it's not if we've got a good inspiration to encourage someone else to give us a program next year so you can see how it all is and from the looks of the twitter feed you definitely have inspired some folks to get some that sort of project to try so hope thank you very much I really appreciate you spending the time with us and like I said very inspirational being there