 The best time to ask for client referrals, I think is towards the beginning of working with a new client. Typically we think, oh, I'm gonna wait until we complete and then I'm gonna ask that person for referrals. And of course that's also a good time. But in the beginning towards the beginning and you don't know how long it takes for a client to complete with you. That's the other thing, right? Or to see results or whatever. But you know when you started and at the start of a client relationship they are particularly enthusiastic, hopefully they stay enthusiastic all the time. But they're particularly like there's a newness. And also they are more, they understand the mindset, they're more in the stage of development that other potential clients are in. Do you feel like once they work with you for especially longer they work with you the more they've transformed as people and they're less like your typical potential client. So that's actually one of the ways to word that to say. So let's say I'm speaking with Mira. Mira, thank you. I'm so grateful that we're getting to work together. I'm really excited. And while like right now I think that I'm looking forward to seeing you grow and transform in all the ways that we're talking about. And I think honestly I think you're gonna be quite a different person by the time we finish our work together. But right now while you are here where you're eager and you have this particular stage of development I'm really curious because I love working with someone like you. Can you think of a friend, if you have any friends or colleagues that you think they're in a similar place as you and would benefit from the work that we do I would be incredibly honored if you were interested in sharing my work with them as well. And of course the nice thing is if they decide to work with me you kind of, and it feels appropriate you kind of have a buddy to work with together on this kind of pathway. But totally optional. I just wanted to float it out there because the best clients I find come from those that are introduced by clients like you. So thank you, thank you if you happen to have and literally what I'm just saying is that could have been a video voice message, right? Like video Facebook video message or video Facebook audio message or whatever or you could be written out in an email and if it was written out in an email you would probably include like a couple paragraphs and a link that people that the client can forward on and if it's in the Facebook video message or whatever you could attach the link for them in that way. So if any of you have any other thoughts on how to ask for the referral especially towards the beginning of a client relationship please comment below. I'm sure it'll be helpful for others who are watching this. Yeah, a couple of chats here. First of all, say hi to my cat baby girl poking up her head once in a while. Okay, so Mira you wrote that, yeah, it's true your clients are forgetting what they used to be like that's evidence of growth, that's amazing. Bings wrote after a private session when I email the client notes or any kind of follow-up message if the client replies with positive feedback about the session. And so that's another thing I hope we're doing is requesting feedback after each session even if it's like I have a very short email like literally three nines like, hey, what's one thing you take away? And if there's one thing I can do better or what was your favorite thing about our session or whatever, but Bings wrote that if they write back with a positive reply then I'll reply to thank them and to basically give a link to say, hey if you have a friend who could really benefit from this kind of session here's the link that they can use to book the session and we could even think about, well, what link should that be? Should it be a paid session link or should it be an exploratory or free session link or a gift free session link could be like, like, hey thank you and here's a special private link that you can send to up to three friends that you think would really benefit from this and I usually charge for this but for up to three friends I'm willing to give them a first session for free as a gift so feel free to share that with them it could be something like that and then Bings also wrote, I've only done this once thus far and the client messaged back for asking more details for a friend who is interested so that's really good news so thank you for sharing that. Yeah and the question here about whether we can ask for referrals more than once maybe word differently because people do forget absolutely it's, you know, I find it interesting that you know, when I've worked with somebody I think about that service provider for the next at least for the next day or two maybe three if they're lucky, right? And like during those 24 to 72 hours I'm much more likely to refer someone to them, right? Then, you know, so it is a good idea to make this a regular package maybe not ask every single week if you meet with them every week, oh referral, referral but you know, ask once every three months is not too often I think once every three months or once every six months is certainly not too often most service providers ask once every never so if you ask once every six months you're doing way better of net caring or referral generation than most service providers so yeah, so I hope this helps and again, feel free to comment below with any other ideas