 They're not educated enough in the in the history end of things to realize that we're repeating hers Falling right back into that old cycle. Yeah, and we're slaves again Well, welcome to the show. Thank you. I appreciate you coming down and I always tell people I'm a long time libertarian The funny thing though is even though I don't like labels as a closest thing that kind of defines my philosophy Sure, and I remember when I got into cryptocurrencies about 70 years ago reading about Bitcoin And that's the first time I came across a word libertarian. Then I went to Wikipedia. I started reading there's obviously different philosophies. I'm like And this my whole life, right? I think I think anybody who defines himself as a libertarian When that flashpoint goes off in their mind like I've been this mode. This is what I've been forever I just didn't realize that there was actually a definition definition. Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't believe it I was actually like in awe. I'm like, wow, there's a movement and I went down the rabbit hole and Before this we're talking about Ayn Rand reading Atlas shrugs. Yes older literature Then getting into once going crypto understanding different economic models. So Keynesian versus Austrian diving into Mises and Milton Friedman and all the more or less, you know, Austrian economists and understanding and for me It's like I'm not a mathematician, but when I see something like very basic Math, I'm like supply and demand hard money, you know, so we're moving it from the state. I'm like Voluntary to interaction between people like I'm an economist, but that kind of makes sense to me You know common sense. That's right. And and I'm a bricklayer by trade So it's it's not that I'm an economist or anything like that either but it just made sense, you know So when I you mentioned big bricklayer, I would I would love for you to tell the story of how you got where you are today. Sure Let's let's start with how I became a libertarian and got involved with the party great. So Around 2008 I started watching the American Cycle and I saw that old guy Ron Paul. Ah, yes, and he was holding up his silver dime when everybody's fighting about Gas being too, you know, let's get it down to 250 a gallon. He said I pay 10 cents a gallon I don't know what you guys held up a silver dime. So this is worth one gallon of gas It's not the problem that the gas is costing too much is that your currency is flawed Go back to the to real money and it solves it and I was mind-blown Like wow, that's that makes sense So you follow that and you live a little bit of life and then the government kind of comes in and gives you a kick in the ass and You start to realize that, you know what? Maybe there's there's a better way to do this It's around to 2015. I saw Tim moan and that was our last federal election for this one Then I thought I really caught on to his message of salt of the earth guy firefighter awesome Solid message well spoken and I jumped on board. So I be I became a member of the federal party And then in 2017 BC had their election So I was looking for a home and they had it. They had a libertarian party in BC There was 27 members of the party So I took three guys myself and two other guys we went to the convention in Vancouver And we said we're committed to make this party grow So within that cycle we went from 30 members of the party Within seven months. We had 30 candidates running Um, I was on stage at 420. They loved our our platform for cannabis And we actually we've made a dent. We're up BC now has the largest Provincial libertarian party. They have over 300 members in British Columbia. We we grew that from from nothing Because I remember when I lived in BC was well, and it's hardcore liberal And they they still are but beyond just a regular land that classical liberal. I'm talking No, and they're sliding green and and they're they're very left But there's the other side of that There's the people that are outside of Vancouver who just want to be left alone They want to hunt they want to fish they want their own rights to do these things So there is that that side there So we grew that party really fast and and saw that there was an uptake for libertarianism And from that I did a lot of hard work out there and and there's there's a few other people Clayton Welwood was the party leader at the time Kyle McCormack, he's still with the party now out there. He does a lot of the media stuff Really hardworking guys and they have that that message in their head So then I moved back here in 2018. I went to the AGM for the Ontario Libertarian Party and I saw that There's a we're missing a leader Alan Small had retired He's sick and Rob Ferguson Great guy, maybe not the best leader for the party at the time So I sat down with Matt Docherty and I said Matt I'm going to run this party in in a year and he laughed at me He said there's no way like there's so many people in in front of you But I had a mindset and I had a vision of where we needed to go And Put in the work, you know, just get out there and do the work And I think that's the biggest problem with libertarians is we talk a lot and we like to sit on their computer and and and philosophize But nobody wants to lace up the boots, right? Nobody wants to get dirty and get muddy So I'm the opposite of that. I'm a guy who just runs into problems face first whether I succeed or fail And from that I've earned my spot and we went to the convention here in november 2nd And I won the leadership of the party So that's what takes me to today and and our our new idea of how we're going to Try to grow libertarianism in ontario to the point that we're actually a viable party um when people Usually when we when I say the word libertarianism We mentioned this earlier people automatically presume anarchy. Yes Well, that's not the case What is the I want to say philosophy, but what are what are the kind of modus operandi of the ontario libertarian party? Well, right now our Our mo would be community based solutions. We are We understand that The government right now as it is Does a lot of favors for a lot of people and they they really don't care about what the people are doing And they're not really into the the solution side of things so you have Problems with housing you have problems with with welfare and income You have all of these huge issues that are going on and there's really no solution to it And we we believe that the solution is at the community level every community can solve their own problems if they're just left to do these things So what we would like to do is we'd like to get into Green's park and we'd like to reduce the size of and scope of the regulations And leave it up to the to the municipalities to to take care of these issues Take care of affordable housing problems. Take care of you know employment if if a community wanted to Open up a great big hemp factory right now It's almost impossible. The legislation and the regulations that are in the way Don't allow that to happen. Well, we we would like to say, you know what? It's not up to us as a province It's up to you as a community if Bradford wants to do that or Toronto wants to do that it should be up to them and and let them solve their problems So we're not We're not about burning down government And and that's a huge like you said a huge knock on on on libertarianism is We all want to be free. We don't want government. Well Maybe in an endgame Maybe 50 60 years from now once we've all got control of ourselves again We could we could have that conversation But for now, let's just get out of the way of people solving problems and allow people to take some accountability and some responsibility in their own lives and and fix these problems that are that are being Usually set up by government itself Right most of the problems that we run into if you trace it back to the beginning It's some type of legislation or regulation that started it So what's the step forward though? Like if if we're going to make a real push towards this What needs to happen for the libertarian party to I want to say get in power. That's not a good good definition. We don't want to take power We want to hold the public trust and and and so how do we get into that situation? Usually it's it's structure. So right now we're in the process of setting up constituency associations across the province There's 124 ridings by the end of next year. We want to have 124 constituency associations That'll allow each riding to start raising funds for themselves to develop a local atmosphere and and and start Generating that from the grassroots So that's the first thing we want to do Secondly, we want to develop a proper platform The thing that we're discussing right now is a decentralized platform. It's unheard of in politics today Everything is one size fits all Either, you know, we're we're going to do this and it's going to help this probably this Municipality, but it might hurt that one, but we're not worried about that. We're just going to pass legislation What we would like to do is repeal all of that stuff and let the the municipality set up their own little You know, kind of like a community type of government for themselves where they can solve their own problems and they can take care of their own issues at the community level That's I think the second thing and third we got to get out and we got to scale We got to start knocking on doors and we got to shake hands. We got to we got to get involved with planting trees We've got to get involved with picking up garbage and helping out homeless and handing out coats If you're truly a libertarian and you truly believe in in responsibility and accountability You've got to you've got to do the work and you've got to show people that you're you're willing to do that And I think that the new board and the new People in the party that are that are running it now Have that mindset Well, I think that's you're going to see a lot of traction come from that alone Do you see the demographics changing within the party or the interests of the libertarian movement? For sure for sure and and Deanne caps that that were in the party Have kind of just faded off into the sunset. They've they're disillusioned with where we're going They they they and it happens, right? Of course it does you see it happen in every party is a splinters Sure And you see the conservatives do the same thing liberals do the same thing So we're we're pissing off the Ann caps right now because we're willing to Instead of standing the end zone and look for a 97 yard Hail Mary pass, which we know is not coming We're willing to slowly move the Move that that ball down the field towards liberty One piece at a time So that's that's a good thing. I think and and it's a lot more palatable than Light it on fire and walk away. What are some legislations you would subtract or add that you think would I want to say drastically but really Change the environment to help people here Uh Myself, I would love to take control of cpp and ei. Okay. They are provincial Jurisdictions according to our constitution before we continue So for people who are listening they may not be familiar with that so cc cpp is canadian and pension plan Yes, so same thing like united states are paying into social security Percentage of your income With your employer goes towards your future pension. Yes, and at this point the government holds that correct. So According to our constitution, we as a province can take that power On ourselves and and write our own rules Quebec does it themselves There's qpp and there's cpp. We would like to start well opp, but it doesn't We're not going to arrest you with it, but um, we would like to set that up as a as a private fund between you and your employer so For example, if you're making $20 an hour you contribute $2 an hour and your employer matches that books and yeah And you split that up I would imagine heavy on the ei side to start with A little bit light on the retirement fund because there's time for that to grow But then instead of having to beg the government for your money back If you lose your job or you decide that you need to change or something has to happen You just walk into the bank with your funds and and and grab them And with that you would have your own equity So you want to buy a house you've got asset. It's not a government fund anymore. It's now yours I think that would do a lot to empower people in this province. That's that's one legislation we would do I think another one is revamping welfare I agree. I think when and The way the retirement fund is set up right now Is is atrocious these people have paid in hundreds of thousands of dollars their whole life and now we receive a thousand bucks a month Yeah, like what a joke. It sure it is. You know, you and I were talking before the show I'm like even if you if you put that money in the market No matter what time in the market any market s and p Just sex with whether it's in an index fund a five percent per year You were a thousand times Exponentially better than what you get from the government. Sure. And the promise was made that you'd be taken care of yes and then as The demographic shifted and we ran out of young people to fund This for the for the retirees It became a problem But instead of addressing that as an issue and and seeing that this is not going to be sustainable They continue to fund it So we need to get off of this we need to get out of this program and For the people that have paid in up to this point I think we owe them a decent retirement. I agree. So anybody who's 50 55 60 years old is heading in there I wouldn't so much as say change what they've done But the younger people definitely privatize that for them so that they can have their own funds And have their own equity and for the people who've paid in all these years Let's let's give them a couple thousand dollars a month and then allow them to at least live a decent end of life Right and it might cost us a few dollars, but the way the government throws money into the garbage can I can't see a better way to spend that money Right if you're going to spend money Do it do it honorably and and and put it in a place that that has some type of value Right and and and those people have paid in and supported us and looked after us for all these years And it's a joke that that we treat them the way we do and same with disability od sp Welfare these these are programs that they're they're slavery slavery programs sure there there is no end game for these people And welfare is generational now. I know well, I say whoever designed the system I haven't done my due diligence of looking to history of it But just looking at from observational aspect and seeing the policies They have them like whoever designed a system designed it purposely to be a slave system This isn't by mistake. No, and so I think it's it's a 50 50 There there's the insidious side of it the people who who did wanted that to happen are like, yes But we back then we also printed our own money So after we built the st. Lawrence C way and we built the trans canada highway we built cn rail We had all the hospitals and schools built. They needed a place to spend this money into existence So that's where these social programs came from. That's where our healthcare. That's where ei and cpp Started was a place to generate that currency and and spend it into existence And then in 74 when we changed that It became a huge burden on us Right and that's that's why we're in these these situation We are now is we no longer print that money We no longer have control of that and every dollar we print costs us a dollar five so we're We're screwed Right from the get-go with with the current system. So what would you do to change the welfare system? I like and and I take a huge knock from the party for this one because I I see I see an empowerment system. I see a disability empowerment system So as we were talking earlier, there's I see three types of disability. There's economic disability There's physical and there's mental disability. They're they're all Just as bad as as a as a person to deal with these and all connected Sure and and and yes sometimes two or three are layered upon themselves. So instead of handing them a pittance penalizing them for going out and working Let's let's empower these people. Let's let's retrain them Put them back to school. Put them in a trade school. Teach them something of value Maybe a four or five year program That's a little bit front heavy on the money and then in the back end It's light because these people are now back in in deciding contributing instead of this dole Right that that's what I would like to see and I push in with the party for that and I take a lot of heat for it But I'm willing to stand on that and say, you know what? We can't We can't just tear the system apart. Well, this is one of my beefs with libertarianism And at the end they ideally for me would be like we talked about taxes. Sure I believe without representation. There shouldn't be taxed. I think at least for me the worst one is income tax Yes, you're stealing my labor Straight up like straight up. Yeah, it's slavery. I work. I put in labor and you take it away from me If I don't pay I go to jail. That's right. I don't know what else you call that. That's right Okay, I'm a realist though, too Yep, and I know for a fact. I'm not going to snap my fingers like well income tax gone can't so You and I were talking about this earlier. It's like um accountability Transparency. Yes, it's like even with these systems is like I What regardless of a social program you have or if you're taking whatever, you know, 13 percent for hst Or whatever taxes that tax sales tax I In fact from from an economics perspective a moral ethics perspective I For me, I wouldn't feel that bad paying into taxes If I saw firsthand Line items of where the money went Which which contractors received the bids sure and how the money was used for x y and z exactly Zero line item the budget. Yes, that would be the first thing if if libertarians ever got into queen's park The first thing we do is we take that 160 million dollar or billion dollar budget and we throw it in the garbage can And say come to me Come to me with your program show me your budget Show me why you need that kind of money And then from that you're going to find a lot of redundancies and we would we would be able to peel a lot of those layers off um Big big conversation that I was having the other day when we're talking about accountability is how the government When they put out a budget they skew the numbers for themselves So even though it says that there's a nine billion dollar deficit They're really 16 or 17 billion dollars in the hole Because they they split up their capital cost The capital spending from their their operating expenses So any of their capital spending is off to the side. So you don't get to see that That's like a 20 year loan. So if they do a 12 billion dollar project It's going to cost you 18 billion dollars. You don't get to see that. Yeah So even though we're at it, even if they've had the budget balanced You're still going to be going into debt because they they separate it and they do it on purpose because it's kind of like stealing 50 Cookies out of the cookie jar they all said the the what did he say the budget's going to balance itself. Yeah Yeah, he's put it on top of this and it's going to balance And and and that type of oh my god that type of economics is a joke. I know and and I don't understand how people Don't see through that And and I get that okay sheer is is what he is and you you might not like his policies You might you know, you you don't like the social conservative aspect of him But why would you vote for somebody who's who's so scandalous If if you don't like sheer you shouldn't like true though Is really as far as i'm concerned blue is the new red They're they're the same. Oh the only difference forever. These are the same parties Sure. The only difference is the color of the business card. Yeah, totally, right? So One party system as Noam Chomsky talks about yes, and has been forever Right There is no real variance on the on the key issues. We still go to war We're still back in the united states and all of their incursions around the world We we still run deficits both sides of the party run deficits The differences are literally like the color of the ice cream It still tastes like vanilla, but one is brown and one is blue. There is no Substantial difference in them. So there are parties out there that that do offer differences But then the the people say well, you're not going to win And for whatever reason our tribal Response to that is i've got to vote for a winner. I've got i've got to pick a winner. I think things are changing. I think trump Even though he's american He's that catalyst for independent I think so like regardless of if you like him or hate him He is now a case study to be like an independent can win sure, but you know what that That study is being done by these two parties As well and they have the funds and the money to implement a system To combat that So we need to be very ultra aware of of how that rolled out and we need to we need to start Voting our conscience. We need to start Being true to ourselves regardless of the outcome Right and and I think that's the biggest problem is you need to let go a little bit We inherently want control as humans. We want to control our destiny And I think we need to just let that go and and and just vote our conscience If you don't believe in either of those parties and you believe in the guy who's running for the rhinoceros party Or there's an independent guy in your community that you really like Wasted or not Vote for him Put your faith in this is my problem with a lot of these parties as well is um This applies to both conservatives and liberals you have You have eco chambers of both supporters screaming each other sure Uh, and it's all like groupthink Mm-hmm, then you have these leaders different writings and then you have the federal leaders, you know sheer and judo talking What I hear is blabble In one year out. I don't I don't see policies. I don't see strategies I don't see tactics from anybody and for me like as an entrepreneur or you as you know as a tradesman Like I need a blueprint. I need to figure out. I like this isn't just going to build itself Like that's right. I gotta fucking see how this is going to be done 100 and for me all these people talk to him like Feel like I'm living in a cuckoo house. Well, you're not though and it's done on purpose They don't want to talk about any substance. They don't want to put anything on the table right it's it's it's all just who do you hate the least And and that's how they they run their their campaigns There's no there's no substance to either of them and and so I'm at elections Ontario today And I'm and I'm watching them roll out the new rules. We're going to change this we're going to do that And the only thing that those two big parties really cared about was the metadata How how am I going to track that person when he votes of course if he moves from Ottawa to Toronto I want his tracking number to follow him So I have real-time data that he voted because he was a conservative there I want to know that he's voting conservative here. I want to know he's voting liberal here They could care less about the rest of the rules changes They really just want to know what you're doing at any given time so they can keep generating money from you You want to make sure that you vote for them? I found that very telling it was it was an eye-opener for me Do you think we have a better chance as like a libertarian movement to kind of win like It's easier for a small-time mayor to be elected in like a small town And slowly from that community grassroots move as opposed to like let's get a bunch of writings in Ontario or more seats with toronto, which is like It you I don't I don't think we're going to find traction in Toronto. Yeah to start I think eventually we'll get there, but I think the first libertarian is going to get elected in Timmins or Canora or Thunder Bay Where they they're they're so disillusioned up there or maybe even Alberta now or maybe And and and I had that whole conversation about wexit too. Wexit is not a cry for separation It's a quiet cry for a representation. Exactly. They don't feel represented exactly So they're gonna walk away. I've had this conversation with people. I'm like regardless of if you like them or don't like them or don't agree with the Oil industry. That's not the question You don't understand them. There's no empathy. That's right I was talking to like environmentalists and this person intelligent person like We have to end the oil industry. I'm like, do you realize the whole province Uh is supported by that industry. I may agree with you some things need to change It's not going to happen overnight. No, you want to see a revolt. You want to see a country separate You put you put a million people out of business. Sure, but they can't get that no and and and so What are you going to replace it with? We live in a we live in a pretty cold country. Fuck. What are you going to do when you can no longer drive? and and You can say electric car all you want, but I think people don't understand too. Everything's oiled this table We're at oil. This is oil. This is oil. Everything's oil Everything is the whole construction industry's oil and and the other side of that is The hemp industry is completely shut down And you can produce all of these plastics and everything out of hemp oil Well, we got to get the lobby group because rapeseed in which is the monocrop which is An oil oil stands for a can of the oil. Yes, and we were the number one hemp producer circa world war one Yes, it grows quite well in Canada very well. And as you said is versatile biofuel. It's an organic Um Alternative to synthetics. Yes across the board There's there's nothing that you can't do with cannabis. You can't grow it. You're not allowed It's right. Well, highly highly you can but it's regulated to the nth degree And then like even to the point where you've got a guy who goes around he clips some of your butt off Of your hemp plant to make sure that it's not actual thc cannabis. It's not female. Yeah So it's ridiculous. It's virtue signaling at its at its worst You have all these guys screaming kill the oil industry kill the oil industry But the politicians won't allow us to to find the alternative. We have the alternative already So if you were if you were really serious about Getting rid of the oil industry you would see that the hemp industry already flourishing And you need to do that for 10 or 15 or 20 years You need to build the infrastructure before you can get rid of that oil because we still need to run our cars We still need to heat our homes. We still need to wear our clothes We still need our plastics. We still need all of these these products So it's great and fine that you want to get out of it But where's your end game and let's not walk away from something that works Before we have something to replace it. I agree, right and and heller be damned with the environment if if we're going to freeze today Then we need to not freeze today because if we freeze today then we don't have a future in 25 years Anyways, because we're dead today. Mm-hmm. Let's not die in our Virtue signaling on our way to to getting rid of the oil industry But this goes back to your community driven approach. Yes, like I'm a firm believer in city states Yeah, or you can call them independent cities sure, uh, you know, Switzerland's a good example wonderful model. Yeah, so and this this I'm I keep on mentioning this You cannot please everybody on a national level you have you have My problems in Toronto are very different than the problems of people living in Edmonton Sure When I lived in Cologne in British Columbia, I had much different problems than I have right now in Toronto Of course You can't have a a natural policy that tries to fix everyone's problems And you will fix them here and you'll fix them here and everyone else will suffer for that Correct So that's the problem with this is you're picking winners and losers when you're passing these one size fits all Legislations And that's why the federal government was supposed to be restrained to very simple things make sure you have a currency Make sure you have a defense You know make sure that you have a judiciary system and and a police force. That's all the federal government I know I had a friend of mine's a lawyer. He's like, I'm here. Go read our Our constitution page 9 10 11 You'll see what the what the federal government only should do. Yes. This is in our constitution But they do everything they and in lieu of the provinces stepping up and taking that Authority that's where I why we don't have our own ei or own cpp in this province is because they don't they don't have the will How did Quebec pull off? And look at look at all Quebec's the separatist Quebec is is the one who has their own cpp Quebec is the one who says we're going to write our own laws For muslims we're going to write our own and and right or wrong They take it upon themselves to use that constitution for their own benefit Well, I give you an example of it did a lot of fuck them when it comes to economics. They had the mandatory french language laws. I think it's the 70s And sunlight insurance like Montreal was the economic powerhouse of Canada before Toronto people think it's toronto No, it's is Montreal and they put this new french line and all the big banks insurance pulled out Why there you go and and look at their license plate to the stage. I'm suvien. I will remember That's what that says. Wow. And that's in reference to the you leave you left us. Yeah so now Here they are taking billions of dollars from other provinces and transfer payments. They're the only province with a surplus And yet we're still transferring money from Alberta. We're still transferring money from Saskatchewan to Quebec What is that about what where does that make any sense? It doesn't down the line. It doesn't he There's a nanny state of our country. They're they're the child. Yeah that we babysit They have all kinds of natural resources. They can develop themselves, but they're gonna they'll sit there in virtue signal and say all Oil's bad. Don't run a pipeline here. But give me the funds from it Which is it's a sad joke and that's that continues to split us apart So shrink the government down get get that federal government back to what it's supposed to be I agree. I've always I've always had this idea before I'm not too sure if anyone has in the past try to Do something like this, but Technically speaking, we do have city states in Canada. Sure aboriginal land. Yes If you look at from like an outside perspective, it's like pretty much a city state. You have your own rules You're up your own police force. Yep Taxes different than than crown land, you know But they're heavily subsidized by the government and they are not allowed to to deal with their own natural resources Which is ridiculous. Sure. I would like to figure out ways like since you already have this System in place, how do we create this as a center of prosperity? How do we create this? How do we build better communities? There's in line with protecting nature at the exact same time in line with creating a very sustainable profitable economy People want that And and left to their own awareness. They would have these things I know that Bradford west Bolambry. That's the riding that I'm in that area york simcoe. They have the hall in marsh It's the most fertile land in in in Canada and They want to protect it more than you want to protect it. So putting environmental protection layers on them doesn't Make them protect that land anymore. All you're doing is stopping them from developing Right and to that end the conservation authority in this province is a terrible joke and they're really just That they're putting ep layers on whole communities So that you sell at a third of the rate and then they can turn around and develop it with contractors and take the kick back Jesus, right So this is this is all the the big smoke and mirrors that that go on We're doing this to protect the environment, but then 10 years from now They sell it off to to the builder. Anyways, same thing with our hydro I was in the process of a cottage as mentioned around midland ontario And uh semi off-grade our own well septic systems putting in solar soon Maybe do geothermal as well. Sure. And then I started digging in and realizing. Whoa the energy racket ontario I can if I have a surplus of energy, it's illegal for me to sell it to you I have to sell it back to ontario hydro at a fixed rate out of pennies on the dollar Yeah, it's pretty much free. I'm like here take my energy for free. Sure This is and that's the only way you can get it back. This is crazy. Sure. It's ridiculous and and and that's The whole thing and then the other side of that is In in their angst to set up the green energy We're locked in at 30 years at like 15 cents a kilowatt hour for solar for wind For these resources that are just terrible It for the first two years that subsidy helped After that it's just straight profit. Those guys are producing it at two three cents a kilowatt hour And they're guaranteed 50. Wow. I say rip that contract up rip it up And you know, I get told Even by my own libertarians, you don't understand contract law. Well, you sure I do You can't tell me that the billions of dollars that the people pay Right now would cost anything Compared to what that legal battle would would cost fighting it on a constitutional level that it's unfair to the people I'd rather I'd rather fight that in court than force the people to pay that on the front end Why would we sit back and take that? Well, why why would we just say? Oh, well, that's a contract. We have to honor that It's a bullshit contract and let's not honor it. Let's rip that up and let's do something about it Right, you need political will to do these things and it's not popular conversation No, but it has to happen. I think it's it's gonna I have a big concern I'm not too concerned in canada but anything that happens fast and quick usually the Host environment is not the best. That's right Fast and quick is not good. No Communication slow and steady proposals planning is great. And so how I see it and as you mentioned with the community stuff It'd be really interesting to see the popping up of libertarian leaders across small towns sure That was municipality by municipality. That would be an interesting strategy great like you're and Not just from having people raise their hands and say I'm doing this but more or less It's now you're building a community of like-minded individuals That that's created a decentralized network per se, right that can start coordinating different policies because my my policies as they mentioned in let's say if I lived in middle of ontario is like I I really don't have the same problems that I do if I live in mississauga. No, you know, there's there's worlds apart worlds apart Yes, and so I'm interested to see how we can do how we can do that So and that's that's our new platform is is community based solutions platform. We're going to have a central platform That's basically about deregulation Cannabis industry for example, we're going to opt out of the The federal cannabis act we're going to use the notwithstanding clause the constitution. See that doesn't fit us We're going to write our own act in in ontario that says we want to Have a craft cannabis. You don't have to oh man. They fucked up Beyond they sure We could have been world leader for that. I have friends of mine who are I won't name names They're in the industry ready to go Buying hundreds and thousands of dollars. You know, I got I got 17 locations ready. I got the grow houses going I'm ready to go. Oh, no, you're not a member of the liberal party You can't grow and if you look at now like I'm not saying you can't become an LP the the requirements And the cost I'm like, you're just pricing everybody out when when this all started I failed out the paperwork just to see oh, okay. I wanted to see how it goes So after about 250 emails back and forth with health canada They finally gave me a temporary approval an LP model 11 million dollars to build my facility And I'd have to grow my first cycle And they'd have to come in and inspect Before I was even considered to get the license Yeah, you have to put the cash up front. I got to build it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have to put the cash up front I got to build it. Yeah, and they got to come in and inspect it. So what happens when I'm a libertarian and Health canada's liberal friends say he doesn't deserve that. Yeah, and they deny me So now I've got an 11 million dollar facility out of pocket worth nothing worth nothing All my investors are like what the fuck Keith? Yes, and then I have to sell it for 3 million probably to the liberal party Chuck Ruffisi or whoever else is is doing their canopy thing now And they're going to buy it at pennies on the dollar and then they're going to start to grow up Because they're of course going to get that license because they gave 50 bucks a plate or 100 bucks a plate at the dinner So this is all a big joke. It is and and bc was ready to go And and and on top of that we have the acm pr program for patients to medically grow. They're already health canada approved Why aren't they immediately asked to fill this void and and to grow cannabis? as a as a you know a Why am I allowed to build a craft brewery but not grow craft weed? Well, because they want to corner the market first and and this whole black market criminals growing Cannabis the only reason that they're criminals is because you say they are there is no difference between the cannabis that that This guy is growing from the LP except his is better because it's small time and he loves it And this is franken cannabis growing in a factory that nobody gives a crap about I'm happy to bring up Legalities, you know, one of the one of the things with me as a libertarian is We see what the Warren drugs have done. Sure across the board across the board heroin fentanyl like oxycon it that's the biggest Joke I've ever seen done by a government You addicting everybody on oxycontin the doctors are Paid kickbacks to put you on these opioids Then the government says there's a problem with it and you can't hand them out anymore Immediately cut off the supply And china says well, you know, you've been you've been screwing us for 200 years with opium Let's to know let's send you some fentanyl And now look at the crisis that we're going on and and the biggest laughing stock of all of that is You go back to about mid 2017 They went after mark emory They shut down the cannabis culture prince apart. Yeah, they shut down the the cannabis culture They didn't even take any product They went in they grabbed his computers and his hard drives because he was instrumental in getting true to elect it Was it? Yeah, he pushed hard. Oh, wow and and the whole cannabis community followed him and supported them He took his hard drives because he was no longer supporting them because they rolled it out and they weren't letting him grow so he started to push back and they Came and they took all his hard drives and the joke of that is two blocks up the street is the biggest fentanyl crisis in canada People laying and dying on that street. You can't tell me there's not a drug dealer there who's selling that to them He's tasting and they walk right by that to take his hard drives so they can keep him under tow And he went to jail for seeds seeds fucking seeds He did hard time in the u.s for that. It was like two years or something. Yeah. Well, he he got five. I believe but he did fucking D Won't mess with him Don't ever cross the border with even here in canada like people like to point fingers at united states for Uh crimes. Yeah Even in canada our stats are not as much but very similar like if you look at offenses in jails like inmates Serving like provincial and federal jail. A lot of that is drug related. Sure it is Why why can't you buy cocaine at shoppers drug mark? And I'll tell you why I say that that's a great idea One it's not cut You're not going to have to worry about having fentanyl in your cocaine. Mm-hmm. People are going to do what they're going to do Exactly, you're not going to stop the drug war by by stamping it and saying it's illegal Exactly. So why wouldn't you want those people to at least be safe? Every time he walks into shoppers drug mark to buy an eight ball The guy's going to look at him and say, you know, Bob, you shouldn't do that, right? And by the time he gets to his third one on a saturday night, you're going to shut him down They're going to cut him off just like you do in a bar. Well, look at the example port of portugal Yes, they had a 1% heroin addiction Before they decriminalized. Wow That's the whole pop. That's one in a hundred people were addicted to heroin And now it's like non-existent zero something. Yeah, it's well off the grid And now there's people who still do it But they have the the buses that go around portugal and they they have a talk with them and they make sure that he's safe And they they actually they'll get him a job, you know, if he all you can work is four hours a day come work Get you back into society. They treat these people with respect And when when you start to give people self-worth It changes them inside. That's a huge problem in canada right now. Hopelessness is rampant That is our mental That's our mental disability right now is is there's hopelessness that has just gone crazy in this country People can't make a living that they can't survive And and it it takes all of that energy out of you No wonder people want to take these drugs and just tune out I don't blame them. Yeah, it's trauma. Sure. Yeah, it's it's it's trauma mitigation is what it is. It's it's i'm so Denominate. Yeah, i'm so i'm so messed up and i have so little hope and i've got so much anxiety that the only thing I can do is shut off Right and then you're gonna punish him even further not that you haven't punished him enough by Taking all the value out of his money and taxing him to the nth degree and and making it so that he can't rent a house and Well, he's got a shitty credit rating now because you He missed a few bills now He can't rent a house and if i was in power of canada the first two people to go to the first people Will go to jail will be the owners at equal fax sure Credit credit scores. It's ridiculous a scam and a half. It's literally The way china is rolling out their their social credit system. Yeah, that's ours is is equifax and and and that credit rating Right, you miss a payment now. You're now. You can't get a car. You pay more insurance It's so bad like people understand they had two known breaches that we found out about How many did they not I'm in the i want to say i'm in the security space. I understand security. I have a lot of friends in that industry If we know of two they've had dozens that's right Your sin number which is pretty much you it's not a mere it's my sin number that represents who i am whatever It was like nine digit number. Yep All gone Millions of canadian identity siphoned off to god knows where Right and no one got no, not even a slap on the wrist. No nothing. No I had a friend of mine yesterday finally check in on trans union the other guys And he was dumbfounded at the stuff in there But this is mine None of this what the fuck is this that's crazy And yet that's your life None of this find these this credit card that card i'm like you're probably one of the guys that got uh Yeah, they got scammed got scammed. Yeah, it's it's funny because I had uh I I've for the first time in my life. I had a purchase made that was not mine It was just like a week ago on your credit card on my visa debit Yeah, someone bought a hundred and seven dollar gym membership I've had everything a fucking gym membership to a gym in greece fit science interesting. I have no idea So they said it'll take two weeks. I got my money back already within four days because obviously I'm not going to buy a gym membership to take to a place in greece, right? That was my first experience with that but of course it's out there and and Why if you're a criminal you're just looking for new ways to to steal and that's a real easy way to do that Well, they're doing they're very sophisticated um I'll put the I'll put the link in the podcast if I find it it was it did a case study in It was in canada actually based on the equifax data breach And you got to think about how clever these criminals are so this one person put in their uh tax claim And most people wait till the end, right? So it's like Jennifer mark like march ish april like april is a deadline whatever the date is But like march april right at the end like the last like 20 days like you know do it, right? Okay What these guys did is they front-run your income tax With the information they got to send and all that's pretty reverse engineer where you live and all sure. So what they did was legal It was all technically legal. They front ran your taxes fraudulently obviously claiming that they're like hr block or something correct, correct, so People understand like you know, it's I'm not too sure. I'm pretty sure it's kind of some of the united states at least in canada All taxes are for most part an honor system. Yeah, and then if you get audited you have to prove Here's my receipts my in my out yada yada yada, right? So it's like this is the proof of what I claim But they came in and they legally claim taxes They had uh, they had a A front of a of people. Let's call them directors. I had bank accounts and they claim people's tax And it went ingenious I was like, holy Ingenious And then you come around to claim your taxes at the end. You're like already filed already filed. Yeah and and refunded To this account here and then you're on the hook though. Sure. It's under your identity not this criminal. That's right And and and that's the world we live in today. Yeah, so I I don't know how to protect that But having a company that runs legally like Equifax is a crime. It's a crime Sure, we shouldn't have a credit score. No, if I've got cash in my pocket If I got money in the bank, I should be able to rent something and you shouldn't be able to hold my past I think I think we're going to go beyond I think even though I'm not a fan of the fan companies like facebook amazon netflix and all them I view them as a threat to banks those are coming for them. Yeah, like they're coming right now That's When I'm on the debate stage the ndp the green party We're coming after amazon. We're coming after facebook as a tech guy. I just don't See what they can do. They want it. They want the money. They want to tell you want to tax these guys I get it sure tax them but to stop them like amazon Facebook, I'll give you an example apple card Even though I'm not an apple guy, but I use amazon. It's a love hate relation I think amazon from business practices as a business owner is like not the best but like for convenience for me It's like Sure They got one hour delivery for some stuff. That's that's why mcdonalds took off, right? It wasn't so good, but it was there and it was always convenient. Yeah, it was good for the kids My memory is playing in the uh, you know, the kids going down the slide. Yeah, yeah, exactly right little toys too, of course And so if I'm using apple products or if I'm on facebook or if I'm using google They naturally see my behavior. Sure Just observational I'm on it. Yeah, they're gonna issue me credit They're the bank now. Sure. I go to the bank as an entrepreneur For me to get a mortgage or a line of credit. You aren't getting one Amazon gives me credit There you go They see my behavior. They give me credit for my business. Yeah without asking They probably Asked you They probably say hey, I would you like 15? There was literally I got an email. Would you like $15,000 of credit? There you go That banks scares the shit out of banks when that happens Right makes them obsolete And that's why they're coming after them. Yeah, that's that so these these other parties They're they're they're in in the game Right once you get to a certain size you start getting that government money I haven't had the conversation, but I swear somebody comes down. That's okay boys You're real now This is how you got to play. Yeah And if either you play or you you get squished We we haven't made enough of a dent as libertarians to get that conversation yet Like I said, I really believe the libertarian Movement and I'm in party, but the philosophy the movement Is ripe for new blood. It's ripe for attracting like what I would love to see is Scientists yes researchers professors Entrepreneurs coming together. Yes You know the a team of the most intelligent Rational thinkers and I'm putting a call out to any one of you who are in any of these fields Come speak to us come speak to matt dockerty come speak to myself find me We want you we want you to be a part of this movement. We we believe in accountability We believe in responsibility. We believe in in science-based decisions We don't want to knee jerk anything and we don't just want to take the needle out of the arm and burn government down We we want to make it responsible and accountable for people And and we're there We've we've we've all decided that lighting parliament on fire doesn't work So let's let's do this responsibly and let's give people back to freedom one piece at a time Find little things that we can do to reduce that size and scope of my interests build unity come together as opposed to Burning bridges. That's right. And we're all on the same page at the end of the day I really believe that everybody in canada in their heart Nine out of ten anyways is a libertarian. They just don't understand what that means We don't want authority. We don't want authoritarian where we don't like Malice tongue. We don't want that paul pot type of dictatorship. We want to be free to do our own things That's why we came to canada all the immigrants like fucking i'm coming here. That's right And that's why we pushed back and then back in the day It was a three percent tax on t that started the revolution in the united states. I had the basanty party. Yeah Three percent. Yeah, and it's the king stamp. That's I compare cannabis today to that If cannabis is cannabis, but if it doesn't have the king stamp on it doesn't have the queen stamp on it It's illegal. It's illegal. Yeah, right and there is no difference between the two. So that's we need to examine these things People don't understand what history or our history They've lost that and they're not educated enough in the in the history end of things to realize that we're repeating herself We're falling right back into that old cycle Yeah, and we're we're slaves again And we need to free ourselves one more time beautiful. I think we'll leave it on that note I'd like to free ourselves one more time if people are interested to Learn more or to support or to maybe even get a hold of you and talk to you. What's the best resource for people? Uh email me. Okay leader at libertarian.on.ca I'll make sure I leave that in the show notes. Please do. Thank you so much for coming on and sharing everything about the libertarian party It was my pleasure. Thank you