 And then I can tweet, and it will show something, hopefully, and it did, it showed something in the thing. That's great. And then I will get ready to stop the recording and restart the recording right now. So now we're in the show record. And hi everybody, Veronica Belmont is hosting Daily Tech News Show today. Super exciting. I'm excited to be here. Roger is displaying his normal amount of excitement. Woo! Wow, I am blown away by the enthusiasm. Yep, very exciting. What have you ever seen me like super excited? I don't. No, it's good. I mean, you get something appropriate, appropriate Roger levels of excitement, which I think is always so good. Roger made the bed. That means he's excited for the show today. Oh, that's true. I did make it. Oh, you can always tell. All right, so I'm recording, I'm going to do it again. I live in a dorm. Let's make, yeah, I'll live in a dorm. So we are recording audio, all the things, yep, audio, video, alpha geek radio is going. I think there's literally nothing left to do but start the show. I hope. Well, we've got one minute left. I'm always a big fan of pushing back from the gate early, but we could wait, we could wait for it to turn. Let's just do it. All right, we're doing it, we're doing it everybody. All right, so here's how it's going to go, the Patriot intro show theme onward. Oh, it's 1.30. All right, here we go. This podcast is made possible by listeners like you at patreon.com slash ace detect. Offer void where prohibited, your mileage may vary, product may contain nuts. All right, this is the Daily Tech News show for Monday, May 18th. I'm Veronica Belmont, filling in for Mr. Tom Merritt, and I am joined by my wonderful friend, former co-worker, all around good guy, Mr. Roger Chang, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me and such lovely comments. Well you are a lovely person, and how was your weekend, did you see any good movies or anything? I did not see any movies, I saw a lot of babies and a lot of cleaning. A lot of babies and a lot of cleaning, I think those things go kind of hand in hand, don't they? Yes, like peanut butter and jelly or peanut butter and Reese's, or is it chocolate, that's Reese's. All of those things are delicious, including babies, but let's all skip that small talk and jump right into the headlines. The headlines. All right, we will add that in post later. All right, The New York Times is reporting that Apple has acquired a Bay Area based GPS startup Coherent Navigation. Coherent Navigation works on high precision navigation systems and creating commercial navigation services based on partnerships with companies like Boeing and Iridium. It's unclear exactly how Apple will use the company's services or technology, the terms of Apple's acquisition of Coherent Navigation were not disclosed with the company stating an email, Apple buys smaller technology companies from time to time and we generally do not discuss our purpose or plans, but self-driving cars, am I right? That's pretty, I think that's the huge one that everyone is looking at. Everyone's acquiring some sort of location based service and it does go beyond just self-driving cars, but that's like one of the primary, I think a lot of people are thinking motivators, which would be cool, I mean an Apple car might have a high markup, but keeps its value. It's kind of like a Honda, you know. Do you think it would actually keep its value, because I mean no car really keeps its value, even the Tesla is slowly decreasing in value? Well, I mean the general rule of thumb is you lose 13% and as soon as the tire hits the pavement away from the dealer lot. Right. It could be good, I don't know. I think definitely having good navigation, because I would not want an Apple car based on Apple Maps right now, because you don't know where you would end up. That would be a friggin' nightmare at this point, but I like the idea that they would maybe have different levels of car amounts. That's the worst. What? No, various levels of mapping service. No, not mapping service, actual cars. So like Tesla has an high-end model, they've got the Roadster, they've got the Model S, they're coming out with the new edition soon, they're going to have different levels based on how much you can afford. Will Apple have the iPod Nano of cars, and then will they have the MacBook Pro of cars? Maybe. They'll have the Pro Light and Air. I like it. All right. Reuters reports that a U.S. appeals court reversed part of a $930 million verdict at Apple One in 2012 against Samsung. The U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C. ruled today that Apple's claim of, quote, trade dress dilution, the way a product is packaged or presented, cannot be protected because it was related to the functioning of the phone and would have granted Apple Monopoly on the features forever. However, the court did uphold the patent infringement violations that appeals court ordered the original court in San Jose to reconsider the $382 million part of the ruling. I don't know. This whole court thing generally is very annoying at this point because it's less about real kind of innovation and protecting property rights and more about sticking it to the other guy so you get a leg up in the market. Yeah, this is like the, this never ends. Like I feel like this case has been going on forever. It has. It's gone 2012 when we're in 2015-3. It's gone on even before then. So it's kind of like those endless reruns you get on FX. You know, they play the same movies over and over and over again. And the same episodes of Law and Order, which this is starting to feel like. Moving on to even more Apple news, 9 to 5 Mac has revealed that Apple is preparing significant Apple Watch updates. Updates include enhancements to security, including a find my watch feature that enables stolen or lost watch owners to track and remotely wipe their watch. Connectivity with other Apple devices, expanded health and fitness features like blood pressure monitoring and sleep tracking, Wi-Fi capabilities and third party application integration. Apple TV is also being updated with a focus on the Apple Watch as the primary input device and will feature deep serri integration plus third party app support and integration with Apple's live TV service. The new Apple TV will be unveiled in June. This is good. I mean, I think definitely new features, new capabilities. That's what we're looking for, although I feel like some of this should have been launch features. I think part of it is they wanted to get it out of the door, like get it out there. And this is this is kind of the one downside with the ability to do push updates. I know you're a video game fan and you know that, you know, with the advent of the 360 and the PS3, you know, a lot of games were kind of released, half baked, and then they would push updates online. So you get patches and stuff at like right at launch. And I think it's I think it's a bad pressure. I think you should have it functioning like you should and then add the updates when you add enhancements or new feature sets or something comes around like, you know, a big hacking scandal. What I'm more concerned about is the Apple Watch as a primary input device for the new Apple TV. Does that mean you will need like if you want an Apple TV or you have one, you want to upgrade it? Does that mean you also need to buy an Apple Watch in order to get full use out of it? No, I mean, I doubt that. I think they're launching the new Apple TV with a more improved remote to start with anyway. So I think you're still going to be able to control your Apple TV without the Apple Watch. But I can see how making that necessary would be interesting. I don't think that's going to happen, though. That would be that would cause quite an uproar, I would imagine. But I would like to be able to control my Apple TV with my watch. That brings laziness for me to a whole new level. All right. TechCrunch reports that LG's G4 smartphone is rolling up for sale worldwide over the next month. Phone is already on sale in Korea and will show up in next in Hong Kong, followed by Turkey, Russia and Singapore. Excuse me. After that, most of Europe, North America and the Middle East, Africa, South and Central. Oh, you know what? Just the rest of the world. In case you forget, the G4 screen uses a quantum display tech, which promises better color reproduction. There's a redesigned camera, which now supports a larger sensor and 16 megapixel rear camera and make a pixel front facing camera and a 64 bit hexacore CPU Snapdragon 808 808 processor to power the show. The G4 includes a handcrafted leather back and subtle curve for improved feel in the hand. The price will be very worldwide. But early reports suggest the retail for around 600 bucks without a contract or near $200 part of the US carrier deal. As a nice premium sounding phone, for sure, that's going to be awesome for a lot of people. Are you are you excited about that? No, because I would never pay 600 bucks for an off contract phone. I mean, I've looked at them and I've really like, oh, I really want that phone, but I can't justify spending $600 and I really don't want to get. I really like T-Mobile's kind of contract service that I have right now. Their service in different parts of the country, you know, varies in terms of coverage, but 600 bucks seems a lot. And some people are like happy to plunk that kind of change. But I just upgraded my PC for about $630 with a new MOBO processor RAM and a new CPU cooler. And it was still cheaper than that. All right. But if we're talking about premium phones, I mean, the iPhone is similarly priced out of contract. And $200 is not that crazy for a US carrier deal. So maybe this is just trying to edge more into that, you know, upscale phone category for Android users. Definitely. And, you know, that, you know, you're right. At the same time, you know, there are plenty of serviceable Android phones on the market that are a good deal cheaper. And, you know, they don't have all the bells and whistles, but they do 90 percent of what I need to get done. Fair enough. All right. Moving on. Fusion has a great article about the challenges that US federal election regulators are facing with presidential candidates who are using Snapchat to communicate with voters. I find this fascinating. Now, the main selling point, of course, of Snapchat is disappearing messages. So if someone wanted to break some kind of federal election rules via Snapchat, how would anyone at the FEC know? A spokesperson for the FEC told Fusion that the Commission has internet regulations, but they don't specifically cover apps. Now, that sounds like a big gaping loophole right there. Yeah. I mean, honestly, I think that's more of a theoretical worry than an actual worry. I don't think a US election is going to be greatly upset by someone I Snapchat. It's an information. Are you kidding me? Any tiny thing is enough to throw off a political candidate streams for the White House at this point. It could be the smallest little regulatory issue. And suddenly, their campaign is totally derailed. I think that says more about our election process than the actual app and the laws around it. I don't know. That's me. I think I understand what you're saying, but at the same time, I'm also one of those people that are kind of like a little skeptical about how much how much damage you could you could really do. Now, you won't get all the juicy morsels when a politician makes an air Twitter or a tweet about a political point or a certain demographic in their particular writing, not writing, their voter base. But, you know, maybe maybe it'll be good for that. You know, people had that ability before Snapchat. Carrier pigeons, you know, bones before they could wiretap effectively. Did the FEC have regulations on carrier pigeons back in the day? Roger, tell me, you're old. I don't know. I don't think it was around back then. Back then, we actually issued. You know, back in my day when we got parking tickets, they were issued on clay tablets, and it was a very simple form of Cuneo form that was chiseled on it. Cuneo form? Okay, with the app store. All right. The GCHQ, the British Equivalent of the NSA staff, intelligence officers and police in the U.K. have been given immunity for hacking the computer's laptops, mobile phones, under new laws that were never fully debated in parliament according to the Guardian. The rewriting of key clauses in the Computer Misuse Act exempts law enforcement officials from the prohibition on breaking into other computers, people's laptops, computers, digital systems. It came in the force in May. Now, addressing the investi- Investi- Investi- Really? Investigatory? Investig- Sorry, it's a- Investigatory. IPT, which deals with complaints about the intelligence services and surveillance. Lawyers for Privacy International said they had only been informed of the alteration earlier this week, last week, or last May, Privacy International, along with seven internet and communication service providers filed complaints with the IPT challenging the GCHQ's hacking activities. The full complaint is due to be heard in the autumn to fall for us, and one of the things that wasn't included in the story I forgot to add was that they're thinking that this basically derails their suit against them, because now, hey, look, law says we can do that. There's no legal recourse for you. Goodbye. Yeah, it's kind of a scary precedent. But, you know, we see this happening all around the world recently in France, in Australia, Canada with Bill C-51, here with the Patriarch. So it's one of those things that people- I think partly because people were so unaware of what's actually going on, it flies in on the radar of most people. If you told people that their registration rates for their cars were going up, they'd be up in arms, like no. But this stuff that actually deals with their privacy, with the activities of their government and law enforcement on them seems to fly in on the radar, and I think it's something that people need to be a little more aware of. It's intangible, right? It's something that people can't really look at day to day and think about how it affects them personally. And it's not gas prices. It's not, as you mentioned, other types of things that people would get up in arms about. But I think increasingly our ability to communicate online and talk to each other about these kinds of problems is kind of opening people's eyes to the bigger picture about what these kinds of laws and regulations represent moving forward in our increasingly digital lives. All right, speaking of someone going digital, President Obama finally claimed his own Twitter account. Recode reports that the new verified account is at POTUS, P-O-T-U-S, run by President Obama. According to the first tweet from the account, Obama will actually be the one tweeting from the account. The more familiar at Barack Obama account is run by members of his staff. The account added more than 280,000 followers in its first hour. So. So many questions about this thing. So you were mentioning, this is a really good one. So after he's no longer President Obama, does he have to turn over the keys, the code to that account? Or does the next president just basically say, POTUS 2016 from, you know? POTUS45. I actually looked that up and someone already owns the account POTUS45, though I would assume that Twitter would be amenable to passing that along to whoever sits next in the office. But yeah, Jenny and I were joking before the show. Like, does the next president get the Twitter password and the secret letter passed from president to outgoing president to incoming president, along with the nuclear codes and the secret keys to the hidden compartments in the desk and all the Illuminati information and Beyonce's phone number and all the other stuff that a president would need? I don't know. Beyonce's phone number? It's just all the important stuff. We want to call Bae and see what's up. I am looking at the comedic appeal of someone coming up, like, well, I don't want to be at POTUS, so I'll be the prez. Or something like, you know, weird. Or the real POTUS, like, you know, when someone cyber squats on a Twitter account that should be yours just by name, and someone's like, well, no, I'm the real blah, blah, blah. So that'd be funny. I'm the real president. I know, because as TVZgon says in the chat room, there's POTUS. We have POTUS. We have ATVP, a lot of cabinet officials that have very specific Twitter handles. What happens when these changeovers occur? I'm very curious and interested to see what that process is like now, what the rules are. I would not be surprised if there is a new, maybe not cabinet level, but a staff level, where your sole responsibility as a job is to ensure that all the cyber accounts and stuff are up to date and connected with the right people for that administration. And that's your only job. Yeah, interesting. And I also wonder if they'll be wiped afterwards. Like, will whoever President Obama is following, will they start with a fresh slate for the incoming president so they're not accidentally following people that they need? Well, that'd be interesting if the account bumps everyone off after his elect term, and then you just have to re-follow with the new president. All right, so he reports that Google teamed up with the University of Washington to create more than 10,000 time-lapse videos showing the evolution of some of the world's landmarks using 86 million photos gathered from publicly available photo sharing services like Flickr. An automated process finds similar images and then researchers arrange them in a chronological order and then use the process called geometric stabilization to create the same perspective from varying angles. That's really cool. I've always been fascinated with archaeology, and one of the questions I've always wondered is with the digital age, with the stuff we have now, how will archaeology change in 100 years? Like, right now what we go through is if you wanted to learn about something from the 30s or 40s, we go through old books, mail, maybe a tape recording, some old TV show. Earlier we go through parchment or tablets or something inscribed on the side of a wall. But what do you do when you have digital information? Do you just do a Google search and try to find that stuff? Does it, you know what I mean? It's very interesting, and I think it's a really fascinating aspect of human culture slowly changing because, or not slowly, but changing because of technology. I really love seeing the old versus new side-by-side images that you can see on a lot of websites of, or you can even, they put historical photographs on maps, and then you can actually click on a place on the map and see the historical images from that location, almost like Street View, but in history. You know, what's even more fascinating, especially if you live in San Francisco, is when you look at photos and pictures that they have of parts of San Francisco, they still look the same. Yeah, or better or for worse, that is true. There are parts of it that haven't been changed since the 1940s, they look exactly the same. You watch a movie, it's like, oh, I know that street, I live down the block, hasn't changed. Sometimes small cosmetic changes, but that's about it. If it hasn't burned down or been knocked down in an earthquake, it's still there. CNET is also reporting that the FBI has applied for a search warrant on Chris Roberts, the security expert who tweeted about allegedly commandeering a United Airlines plane systems. The warrant application claims Roberts, quote, exploited or gained access to or hacked the in-flight entertainment system, and that he stated he overwrote code on the airplane's thrust management computer and successfully commanded the system to issue a climate command. Roberts has admitted to wire that he infiltrated the plane's in-flight networks around 15 times, solely for observation. Roberts hasn't been charged with a crime as of yet, but I did hear that he is losing a lot of investment in his own private company that he ran before this. Backers are slowly stepping away from him and distancing him as the FBI increasingly starts looking at his doings. And you know, the sad thing is, even if he's exonerated, like he's found for not doing anything other than causing minor mischief, you know, this is the thing about public or social networks, don't announce to everyone on the planet what you're doing because you are literally raising a red flag above your head. There is someone who's seeing that and they are putting a little red flag next to your name to come back and check this guy out later or sooner than later. And I'm just fascinated, I really wanna go back and look into how he actually did this because I find it so hard to believe that the in-flight systems are connected to any kind of major control command systems of the aircraft, like that is pretty mind-boggling. You know, and looking at some other stories related to this one, some people, you know, the aircraft manufacturers say there is a firewall, there is a separation between what the passengers use and what the plane uses to not allow that. But others are also saying that perhaps the FBI is kind of widening the search more, more so than what strictly happened to kind of like make an example, like, you know, just don't monkey with this stuff when you're in a plane. So, I mean, the rest of it will have to fall out in court or as more information is brought up. But generally, you know, just because a door is unlocked and opened doesn't mean you should go through the doorway. I'm gonna say that. Exactly, I agree with you. All right, well, that's it for the headlines. Let's jump into some news from you. Yeah, the big Indian sent us this story from The Verge about Microsoft backtracking on its promise for free updates or free upgrades to Windows 10 for people who are running pirated versions of Windows. Now, I remember a couple of months ago, there was reports that Windows 10 will be freely available to those people who even though they were running pirated versions of Windows, Secco will let you upgrade. Now, the confusion has revolved around Microsoft's offer to give free Windows 10 updates to people running Windows 7 and 8.1. Now we're finally getting, or rather, The Verge got the full clarification. No free update. Pirates will have to pay. Microsoft says that it's planning to run some very attractive Windows 10 upgrade offers that will allow people with pirated copies to move to an official version. Specific details of that haven't been announced yet, but that likely won't come until we actually hear about it when Windows 10 ships sometime this summer. You know what pirate's like doing? Paying for things. So this is a really good way to get them to do that. You know, it depends on how attractive the offer. If it's like, if they do what Apple's been doing, where it's like, okay, it's 20, 30 bucks for an update, upgrade, what they did is let you for a line and then you get it for free. That'd be kind of cool. Like, I would, okay, fine. 20 bucks out of the deal at the hassle. All right. And we also have a post from J.M. Berg, Jim Berg, 26, who sent us into The Verge report about a sea turtle who was struck by a boat propeller while swimming in its natural habitat in Turkey. Now the accident unfortunately shattered the animal's upper and lower jaw, which meant that the turtle couldn't eat on its own. Very sad. So a group at Pamulike, Pamukkale, Pamukkale. This is like, Jenny sends me the pronunciation guide and I listen to it and then I still get it wrong in the live recording. Pamukkale University teamed up with BTEC, a Turkish biotechnology company specializing in 3D printed prosthetics, and printed a medical grade titanium turtle jaw. So far the turtle has not yet rejected the jaw physically, but it has a ways to go before it can be released back into the wild. It's going through physical therapy right now. That's cool. I like turtles. They unfortunately suffer from a lot of illnesses of human habit, like throwing plastic garbage in the water. And one of the more egregious things is they, when they see floating plastic, especially plastic bags, they think it's jellyfish and they eat it and they swallow and they choke. It's a huge problem. So just, yeah, don't litter people and follow your recycling laws. All right, Mo Tang sent us the third verge article which reports that Google will begin to test bi-buttons, oh Jesus, that live inside ads above the normal search results. The sponsor results will take you to a special purchasing page that's still hosted by Google where you can pick the product and how soon you want to get it, all without leaving Google. Users can store their credit cards. The test will be mobile-only and will only run on a small percentage of search traffic. The new ads should show in the coming weeks. I don't know, I mean, Google's been accused of a lot of things, including monopoly, and I'm not sure if any of this will help alleviate those concerns. I'd like to see how it actually works. I haven't obviously had the chance to test it out yet, but I like to buy things after I've read about them and kind of done some comparison shopping, so I'm wondering how often I would want to actually click a Buy Now button alongside an ad and search results without going through and kind of doing the research about that product first. What do you think, what do you think the use case is for this? I can see is basically someone says, oh no, my router broke, I need a new router. Let me look real quickly to see what the best router is and say top 10 best routers, you click one and you get sent to a buy page. It's like I buy it now. I am unfortunately one of the worst test case scenarios because I have the most Byzantine decision tree on buying stuff on the planet. It took me almost a year to buy a couch because I had to go check every couch that I thought I wanted and sit on it. You're thorough, man, I like it, I appreciate that. Now I do endless research, although now that the wire cutter and Sweet Home exists, I kind of just go with whatever they pick or at least use that as my baseline. Like I start there and then look at some of their options and I feel like they do so much amazing, in-depth reporting that it just kind of takes away some of that guesswork from me in terms of starting points. So yeah, if you're not a fan of the wire cutter or Sweet Home, it's companion site, definitely check those out. They're great for product choices. All right, and that's it from the news from you. So if you have a story that you wanna see on this show, you can submit it to our subreddit at reddit.com slash daily tech news show. We'll have a link to that in the show notes and of course, many of you already know where that is because you submitted these fantastic stories. So thank you so much. Let's jump into our discussion story of the day. Now recently, Walt Mossberg, who has had an Apple Watch for a month now, he got a pre-release version, I believe, or not pre-release, but he got one before everyone else did and had some time to really kind of dig into it and see what he thought. He's kind of given his month in report on that and so I kind of wanted to do the same thing today. Yeah, I remember this weekend you had some, you raised some interesting doubts about your purchase. Yeah, so I did buy mine. Mine is not a review unit, so I actually spent my own money on this thing much like anyone else did and I am feeling still kind of, I'm feeling pretty ambivalent about the whole situation. Like, I like the watch, this is, I have the White Sport 38, but I don't feel like it's the kind of thing that if I left it at home by accident that I would be freaking out all day. So that's, you bring up a very interesting point and I actually, I remember getting you a long discussion with an individual about this, how indispensable a piece of technology is. If you leave your phone at home and you're like halfway to your commute to work, you would drive back and get it because it's that necessary. But if it's anything else where you just kind of shrug yourself like I don't need it, that I think that that's kind of like my litmus test on how, you know, how needy or a needful a product is. And, you know, is it because the Apple Watch does all the things your phone does already for you, like give you the time, tells you like when you have important notifications and you just habitually buy out of habit, you just look at your phone instead of your watch, or is it just because you, you know, it just doesn't, just feels like it's an accessory? Well, for me, I'm a, so I'm a watch wearer. I've worn pretty big, you know, masculine tomboyish watches for almost my entire life. And I, so I like having that. I'm used to looking at my wrist for the time. That's one thing that I don't need to use my phone for as much. And there are things that I like about the watch for sure. I like that I don't have to have my phone on me constantly all the time, as long as it's within range. I can access all the information I need pretty readily. If I'm getting a text message or a phone call, it doesn't have to be in my pocket for me to know about that. That's nice. I like having the MLB app. I find that very useful. That is probably one of my favorite apps right now. And that's actually something that Walt Mossberg noted as well. So if you have an app that's working very well within the Apple Watch environment, if they've done a good job kind of porting that over, then I think that makes a big difference in your overall enjoyment of the phone as a device that you want to have with you at all times. So that's probably one of my killer apps. That and pay by phone, which is a, you know, I'm not sure if it's San Francisco local or Bay Area local or if it works in other places, but it's an app where you're able to pay for your parking fares at, you know, parking, what are they called? Parking meters? Parking meters. Those new things. Those new tangled contraptions. So if you don't have quarters on you, you can use it to pay for time on the parking meter. And the watch integration on that is really nice because it'll buzz you when you have like 15 minutes left to go on your spot. It'll tell you how much time you have left. If you want to renew time, it'll let you do that. So that's a pretty cool feature. And then also I like the, you know, the quick responses to text, the being able to make phone calls, though I do feel an answer phone calls. I feel like that's kind of a weird feature. I've only used that a couple of times. I feel like Dick Tracy, like talking into my wristwatch. Would it work better if you just had like, you know, a semi-permanent attachment to your Bluetooth earpiece? And then you would just, no. Would it be better, Roger? Probably would I use it? No. So, well, I mean the reason why is, because it sounds like there's a barrier of convenience, like, which sounds like why you're kind of ambivalent. And in many ways it kind of reminds me of how PDAs were when they first came out before PDAs got attached to phones and became smart phones. The market was supposed to be explosive and everyone was telling, a PDA is just an extension of your computer's desktop. So everything you have on your desktop, you know, your contacts, your to-do list, you know, important information, all, you know, wherever you want it and wherever you want to go. But it never really took off because there was missing that one very important feature and that was connectivity that enabled it to be unleashed. And what I'm getting from you is that, yeah, it does a couple of really cool things, but overall, it's still tethered to your phone in a way that kind of makes it convenient. Am I wrong? That kind of makes it inconvenient? Yeah, like being having to be with your phone. If it could stand alone as a device on its own without the phone connectivity or working in conjunction with the phone, it works over Bluetooth. It works over Wi-Fi if it loses that Bluetooth connection. Mossberg had some issues because he apparently has two connected Wi-Fi accounts in his house. I don't, I haven't noticed that as an issue. I also have two Wi-Fi accounts in our house. But if they can make it a breakaway app where you can take your watch with you running, get all the functionality out of it without having to have your phone with you, that would be fantastic. I think that's going to be a later iteration of the product, maybe even version two. But I think there has to be some hardware changes in order for that to work. I don't think that's the kind of thing that you can update via a software update. Unfortunately, I think there's a lot more that needs to go into it for that. That would be, that would really change my interest level, I think. That was something I said even before this watch was released. Like, okay, version one, you never know. Version two, I think we'll have all the killer features we're looking for. I definitely think it's treading on the right path but it's still at the early stages where the training wheels kind of limit where you can take it at this point. We did get some Twitter comments that you solicited about it. And at SkullPandaOne, that's a very interesting handle, how do you like the Apple Pay system on the watch? Frankly, I'm embarrassed to say this may be a peb cow issue. I'm trying to think what's the problem exist between user and watch. I haven't been able to get it to work yet. I've had no issues getting Apple Pay to work on my phone. But when I tried to use it over the watch, it wasn't coming up for me at all. So maybe this is something I need to look into more but you get so infrequent opportunity to actually test it out in the wild. I'm not gonna stand there at the Whole Foods line waving my wrist around over the payment system until it finally works or until I can troubleshoot it on the go because there's people standing in line behind me. I can't test this at home because I don't have the vendor module. So it's like what am I gonna do? So I have not been able to get it to work yet but that would be great. I know that's kind of a feature that people are really loving and especially if you can start using that at airline kiosks and being able to get on board the plane with your Apple Watch or as Mossberg noted be able to get your room key at a hotel using your Apple Watch and not even have to stop to get your key on the way up to the room. Those kind of like geofencing features like that are great. Things where I don't have to whip out my phone are great. I just haven't had a lot of use cases for that yet. All right, at our, our Liff, our Liffel? Our Liffel? Our Liffel? Our Liffel. How often do you find yourself still pulling out your phone and for what? Probably for more extensive text message conversations or email conversations. I'm comfortable using yes or no or maybe you're doing voice input for the watch. But if I just really want to type something out I'm going to my keyboard or I'm pulling out my phone for more extensive conversations. Though I think that is probably what is intended of us. You know, if it is a yes or no answer, the watch is great. Though driving has become a little bit problematic because I feel like in cases where my phone is in my handbag or on my dash I'm not going to be typing text or I'm not going to be like responding to stuff on the go. But for some reason when it buzzes on your watch and your watch is already on the wheel it's so much closer to just type back a yes or hit that little button. That is not good. That is dangerous. Don't do that. And yet it seems to be much more, I don't know. It seems more seductive. It's more enticing, more seductive. I like that. So I do not recommend, I do not recommend doing that. Pay attention to your driving. Never text message, it is gnarly. Also, yeah, I've been having some issues with the do not disturb. The do not disturb function works to stop messages from coming in and stop the haptic feedback from happening or what do they call it? The biometric tapping. I don't know, whatever they call it. The tip tap that you get when they want you to stand up or when you have a notification. That can be turned off. But what I can't figure out how to turn off is the watch face, unless I turn off the entire phone. So when I'm in a movie, the theater's very dark and if I just even move my arm to kind of Oh, it just bright lights up. Suddenly this bright light happens and there's all these new things you have to remember about having a new device that's on you all the time. Whether it's being in a movie theater, I did yoga the other day and I forgot to put the watch into do not disturb mode and I started getting all these messages. That's not very relaxing. I can't get into my home state, my relaxed state without, I have to take the watch off or I have to remember to put it into do not disturb. So there's all these new rules and things you have to kind of think about that I'm still learning and still moving through. But I think that's what you do when you get a new device and it starts this whole new thought process about how to deal with it. So what's the bottom line? Are you going to return it? I do not think I'm going to return it. I think I'm probably going to get a more fashionable band. I'm going to get the Milanese band, I believe. So I feel a little more like right now I feel like it stands out a lot and I feel like it's too attention grabbing and I want something that looks a little bit more like a typical wristwatch like I used to wear. So maybe that'll make some of my feelings about it be a little bit better. But I'm excited to see what this new, the new SDK that's happening. I'm excited to see when new apps start making better use of some of the functionality. And then once that happens, I may report back in another few months and we'll see how it's going. I eagerly await. Do you eagerly await? I wait. All right, well let's wrap that up. Thank you guys for all of your questions on Twitter. Let's go to the pick of the day. This one comes from Matt from Thirsty, California. I feel you Matt. He says, hi Roger, Veronica, Jenny and the omnipresent Tom. I wanted to respond to Friday's discussion on self-driving cars and provide a recommended read on the subject of computer automation. Darren touched on the problems of degraded response time and automation bias, which are just a few of the issues that come with computer automation. These weren't given much talk time on the show, but if listeners want to learn more about these sorts of issues and the pros and cons of computer automation, I would recommend the book The Glass Cage, Automation and Us by Nicholas Carr. The book does a great job of talking about the rise of automation, focusing a lot on the human element of the equation and goes beyond the technology to discuss what appears to be happening to us because of it. I found it fascinating and would recommend it to anyone who wants to take a deeper look into the impact that things like self-driving cars have on our daily lives. Thanks, that sounds like a great read. Yes, there's so many things that we have yet to understand about how our life is gonna change. I think that might be a very, very good thing for people to read up before they make a decision on buying one. Things are changing and things are changing very quickly and you can send your picks to feedback at dailytechnewshow.com and you can find Tom's picks at dailytechnewshow.com slash picks. All right, we got a message from Mike in sunny and dusty Pilbara, region of Western Australia. I think that's near a mining town or mining settlement. Wrote in about self-driving car discussion on Friday as a 26 year veteran of the Australian transport industry have mixed feelings about self-driving vehicles. It isn't that I'm afraid I will be replaced by a machine. It's that there are a huge amount of human environmental factors that technology will have difficulty opening with. In the show, last Friday show, Roger suggests an automated car may continue in an endless loop on a freeway until the human occupant reasserted manual control and moved it out of the traffic stream. My immediate thought was, what if the driver had a heart attack or was rendered unconscious by illness or had a stroke? Sure, they would be safer in the self-driving car because it wouldn't leave the road and crash, but no one would be aware of the need for medical assistance or an undertaker, kind of grim. The vehicle would continue on its merry way without some kind of dead man switch or Apple watch like health monitoring device linked to the vehicle. Also truck would have to undergo radical redesign to enable monitoring of every system, moving part and point of failure that an experienced truck driver looks for subconsciously while driving down the road. Flat tires, load shifts, wheel bearing failures, air line for braking systems, rupturing or becoming a coupled, unforeseen truck, a lot of things. So after many millions of kilometers and untold thousands of hours behind the wheel, my ability to detect problems in my vehicle has been honed to an almost six cents. On average I drive around 10,000, a little over 10,000 kilometers every fortnight, which is two weeks, I believe. It would welcome an autopilot to take care of the less difficult and boring stretches of road, but until I know I can watch over all 55.5 meters in every 118, I'm assuming metric tons of my triple road train. I will just have to keep doing it myself. Thanks, Mike. Yeah, you kind of touched on some of the points I was making, which is that with an automated car, for the big, long, boring stretches of driving, the car will drive itself. As soon as you hit a dense urban area, it hands control back over to you. And you could have a system where, okay, the car wouldn't maybe not go in an endless loop, but it would eventually just move off into a sectioned off parking area that might be not having attended just to check in to see if everything was okay with the driver and that automobile. All right, I think that covers it for this show. Yeah, thanks, Roger, for joining me on our guest hosting position today. Where can people find you? So best place to find me is on Twitter at Jolly Roger, that Twitter, Jolly Roger, that's pretty much it. And you can find me on Twitter at Veronica or VeronicaBellmont.com to keep up to date on what I'm working on. Right now, swordandlaser.com, my show with Tom Merritt, and I'm also the video games contributor to the morning stream over on the Frog Pants Network. So you can definitely check that out and more announcements about new shows coming very soon. And of course, special thanks to all the 5,056 patrons who helped get me and Scott Johnson on board as contributors. You guys are awesome. You can learn more about how to support the show at dailytechnewshow.com slash support. I think we are working towards the video goal next, is that right? Yes. Hey, Jenny. That would be awesome. That would be super, super cool. And of course, if you wanna get in touch with the show, our email address is feedback at dailytechnewshow.com and you can call us at 512-59daily. That's 593-2459. The Reddit, of course, is reddit.com slash dailytechnewshow. You can post all your stories and things you wanna talk about over there. And you can listen into the show live at tunin.alphageekradio.com and visit our website at dailytechnewshow.com. Tomorrow, Tom Merritt will be back, his triumphant return. And he is joined by DTNS contributor, Patrick Beja, all the way from Triumph. Very good stuff. Thank you guys for watching. See you next time. Bye. ["Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy"] This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Diamond Club, I hope you have enjoyed this program. Do we break anything? I did all the things. Did you hear it? Yeah, that was great. So yeah, I thought I was going crazy because at the headlines, I was like waiting, waiting for music. I know, I trouble shot it. I trouble shot it in the leg and I figured out what happened, right now I'm running the sound board through the same thing that I mute when I mute to make sure I don't make any noise during the show. And I just, I didn't do that in the open, but I did it for the headlines. So, you know, we learn. We live, we learn. We live, we learn. That was a great show, you guys. Sorry the watch discussion went on so long. I just had to talk about it. It was great. It wasn't too long. It wasn't too long at all. The only thing was that you guys had such great discussion in the headlines. It all sort of cumulatively adds up and I always like to get out, like, you know, by 2.15 for people, but it was terrific. You guys should do a show together. What did you say? Aww. He shits, she said, he said. Wait, this is our podcast already? That's probably, I'm sure that probably exists already. Because you know what I need to do, more podcasts. That's right. I'm just trying to get you guys. I mean, I'm no Tom Merritt one. The takeaway is that I think Roger doesn't know it, but he might be talent. I think he might be talent, right? Roger used to love being, I think he secretly loved being on Tek-Sola back in the day. I think that was. I mean, I've done it before. I used to host out for a while. You're good at it. You're like good at it to the point where I'm wondering why you're a producer. Because I think he might be talent. I don't like the way my double chin looks on camera. Well, we have to work on this body dysmorphia issues. Yeah. And also it's podcasting. Doesn't matter. It's like body dysmorphia, not just for the ladies. Oh, no. They actually found out in men it actually manifests in a different way. It tends to show up in guys who just constantly work out because they don't think they're built enough. Like buffing up? Yeah, well, they found cases where guys, I mean, it's a much smaller percentage than women, but these guys are like doing nothing but working out. And they're actually causing physical injury because they're not letting their body rest. The recommended time, they're always just doing it. You know, they have wrecked socialized because they don't go out because they just go straight to the gym or they go into their, you know, their basement gym or whatever to work out because it's... I blame Chris Hemsworth. He's a good looking dude. I'm a dude. I'm a straight dude. He's a good looking dude. Yeah. Jamie Lannister. Yeah. I blame Jamie Lannister. Actually, it really is. It is this whole thing of the guys getting like the Wolverine thing. And now every guy thinks that they have to be Wolverine. It's a thing. It exists. Would you guys like to choose some headlines for your really great show? For our titles? What do we go to again? It's showbot.tv. Who watches the Snapchat? I kind of love that. I saw that one. That was always... Yeah, I like that one. It's always for me. They put in... They do like Confess Chang but that's kind of a non sequitur. Unless you... They... Is that the... But that's the joke, right? The who, what, the something? That's like the one that comes with it. Yeah, that's just the joke one. Yeah, we only use it every seventh day or so. But it's so good. It's so good in this case. Yeah, it applies. So there's two coherent ones. Apple gets coherent and Apple Maps are now actually coherent. First Twitter is kind of funny. First Twitter? Yeah. Thanks, ad-potus. Oh, yeah, no. I'm voting for that. Thanks, ad-potus. Yeah, no, I'm putting that in pretty good. We might hear about it. We might hear about it one way or the other but it is a meme and therefore it's fair game. It's ripe for the pickin'. Yep. And yeah, I don't see any other ones. Roger, you're old, has a certain Savoy Fair but that's a given at this point in my life. It's a given, yeah. Oprah's favorite Windows. Yeah, I think it is. I think in the clever department it is thanks ad-potus. Oh boy, here we go. All right, so I'm level-aiding or apparently I finished level-aiding so then I got to take this into part. So we might post show out because I've yet to be able to do the Tom Merritt thing where he can edit while talking. Okay, I can't do that. He's honed that, you realize he's honed that scope over the past six or seven years. Like he wasn't very good at the first time but slowly he's trained the nerve bundles in his forearms to type relatively, you know, coherently. Muscle memory, it's almost bad, muscle memory. It is, like some of the best typists are writers. I think they just have great muscle memory and they think about something and their arms translated into prose. Yep, it's like playing the piano except he's playing the podcast dandle. Oh, all right, on that note. Well, thank you guys. All right, yeah, thank you. And stop in the broadcast, here we go, bye.