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This guy he been on the show And he been grinding man like ever since I met him. It's always something You know certain people they have to try to figure out something man Let me get something going and then we can you know, man, let me let me get something going and once we get something going man I'm gonna come on there. Thank you, bro. This guy right here always got something going, you know I'm talking keep something going. So here we go man. Listen, man LD 300 is in the building 300 we ever man appreciate your family man. I always Man, you know man Listen man, I'm gonna tell you man. This this album right here hit me man I mean, I was enjoying listening to it man. I ain't gonna lie to you go right in I just want to say man this album cuz I'm wearing a shirt, you know, I mean Pain made me rich. Thank you. Let me tell you something and I had to say that because we you always run from the crowns all the Way to the pain made me rich, you know, I'm saying to David Street, you know Like like we're gonna talk about all that today, man Thank you so much for coming on the show man. We like I said, man, you one of them ones man I enjoy sitting down with you, bro, man. I appreciate that Say man, listen, so, you know when you first came From now on I'ma drink all of my drinks One oh one what a boss is talk man. So, you know, babe, what what do you think about how do when you think how do you be working? When I think about I'll do I think about a grind Yeah, he be grinding all the time and he always have an opinion on everything You're gonna enjoy this in a minute. Yes, man, you know, I'm gonna just jump right out the window Man, you know, I seen you do a live and you went in you was like D1 He's an artist out of New Orleans. He's been on boss talk 101, right? You know and he had a few choice words for me meals Rick Ross and It was one mo he Jim Jones, right? He had some valid points you think I think he had some valid points Okay, but you know at the end of the day I want I heard some of your take on on tiktok But really you only get a you get a little bit you don't you get a just of what's going on Okay, you don't get the whole concept before we get off into it Tell me in your opinion, what was the valid points? Well, I mean if you're gonna talk about you doing reform if you meet Mills Then you're gonna have to you're gonna have to definitely stand on that You know far as when you're trying to help guys get out of this situation And then when you talk about things that go on in your rap music as he was talking about, right, you know It can be a conflict confusing Conflict and subject, you know what I'm saying Do people listen at that music? I think I think music has a thing where it does challenge certain people everybody's not on your mental Intellectual level, okay So some of these kids don't have nothing else but the music when you start to let when I say kids Somebody's grown me and stealing kids position mentally because they had never grown up And because of that fathers early and I'm with you and so because of that Meek mill should rap about what what you want like what should he rap about in your opinion? That's gonna feed him. I think he should rap about his story His story is used to be when he had the braids and when he was in the streets And he was rapping and he was rapping doing his free styles He knew about what was going on in street culture a little more than when you come home And you hanging out with billionaires and y'all basically riding around together in Bentley coops and all type of nice Teslas and all type of sprinter vans, you know what I'm saying all I'm saying is This transition I think Jay did a great job with the transition. It's certain rappers that did a great job with these transitions We so selective, you know Jay Cole did he come off the chain after he wasn't like a he'd have a street development at first as well So, you know certain people wrap your truth if you if I had to go no no Entertain the way you choose to entertain and let the market Decide what you should do and what you shouldn't do So if you're making rap songs and they buying it and you like to receive that payment from doing it That's what you should do. It's the one thing about like I feel like about black people as a whole we very quick to criticize each other's success, you know and The reason why I feel like it was a bad thing for the dude The guy from New Orleans. Do you want D1? It's despicable as a rapper To okay, let me break that. I'm gonna break it all the way down at the time when when When he was saying what he was saying Imagine this Rick Ross Meek Mill spent a year making an album, right? It's got all kind of cost to it You know, it's it take a lot to make it look like it ain't nothing happening, right? So you're talking about doing all of your work mixing mastering recording traveling promotions You're doing all of your work and then a week before you out before you about to come out some dude just Wake up not not not just a guy because one thing about it as a as a artist You you sign up for the criticism, you know, I'm saying so the criticism become with it But as another rapper for you to see like Because you're gonna go through the same process You're gonna put all your energy into a project You're gonna work and then like even me being right here right now my album about to come out So, you know, you hear you moving around. I gotta be a tile I gotta go to you know ready and then for somebody to wake up and just say Hey, you know, brother, I love you. You need to change. Oh, you know, it was First of all, I know it was disingenuous It was a it was a move an internet move to get him some clout And I just feel like it's so sad that we had the people that was chiming in And even you what you saying that that he had some point Then you ain't got no point, man, especially Hold on, I'm gonna tell you another thing, especially when you from New Orleans Man, you got us. Why you don't why you didn't open your mouth about your own state first? Like, why would you what would make your mind jump way to Rick Ross and Jim Jones and and meet me when you from the same state with NBA young boy with Fredo Why wouldn't you talk about? OK, so my point is I love what you said about everything I got she agreed with you. Hold on. Listen to me. I've gotten points on both both sides. He did going on Lil Wayne before and Lil Wayne is from that side. Right. He has one in on Jay-Z. So this is not his first time doing this for the make some music, make something. Jan, he makes music. But what's your favorite song by Hold on. Listen to me. Oh, you don't have. Yes, you do. David David David and Goliath. I listen to that. I mean, for one, let me say this off top off top of I'm not, you know, this the larger conversation is about people creating and and with the goal of rocking crowds, you see, in the same breath of, you know, I just don't it is it is so hard. And then I'm going to say for I'm going to just try to be clear. The three artists that we're talking about, right? Or that the guy was talking about, right? You're talking about Rick Ross, Jim Jones, Meek Mill, right? Three individuals that we literally seen, they come up from nothing. Right. Right. We talking about, like, Rick Ross being with slip and slide and loading up speakers for Tony Draper and, you know, like you're talking about from the very bottom ghost riding to finally being blessed to have his own hit record and taking a hit record and creating an empire with it, right? Two people and that's one person. We saw Meek Mill with the busted braids and and and running around, you know, with Atlanta, with T.I. You know, we seen this, you know, all the way to what he is today. And we also seen Jim Jones, right? Coming from not even really a not a rapper, you know, from the projects watching Mace get signed and then watching his homeboy Cameron get signed and take them along with him from him being basically an enforcer to the group of the group to moving up to the to the microphone to being respected as as one of the most formidable rapper in his own right and having a great solo career as a rapper. And this is the, you know, because criticism, everybody can criticize as a rapper, you can do nothing but respect that. There is nothing else. You got to respect what a person did. And if you're making music that connects in whatever way that it connects, you know, that's a blessing. So why would you, as somebody that is in this art form, longing for a connection, trying to establish yourself as an artist, publicly critique somebody that is winning and establishing themselves, especially when. And here's the here's the other point, another major point. You can play a rapper any. You could play and I'm going to kind of narrow it, keep it to rap. You could play a rapper and people can one rapper and people can have a thousand different right, right perceptions of what it is they do. We could play Nipsey Hussle. One person going to say this is a gang banging rapper. I don't want to hear that, you know, out of Crip, blah, blah, blah, gang this net. The next person going to say, man, the independence, the black on the he is really opening my eyes in that way. The other thing that I didn't really want to say, like on record, really, but I'm going to just go ahead and say, man, who the hell slide in the Rick Ross? Who getting in like, who what's one of these kids is like, you know, we'll put that Rick Ross and I'm going to go kids like, like stop it. You know what I'm saying? We got to understand like this music got many uses to it. And in the same in the same way that like we use talking about some of the content of rap music is bitch, this get money that hold that, blah, blah, blah. You can have a person like Lil Yachty go stand on the stage and stand in front of 30, 60,000 white kids. They not finna fuck hoes and raw people or none of this. People enjoy this music in all kinds of ways. And I think that it's very really, it's just sound like it's hate. It is. Let me talk. Because it's hate. I got to get in here. I don't think so. I mean, when you follow this guy, like when you go back and you look at D one, if you really watched his run, you see D one early on when he did talk about J and Wayne and 50. OK, let me keep going. I'm not going to interrupt you at all. I was taking a deep breath. OK, OK. But when you think about it, not only that, this this kid taught school for after he got out of LSU, taught kids for years. Now he teaches at Harvard. This guy teaches at Harvard. Not only that, he got songs with Lupe Fiasco, he got songs with Big Crit, he got songs with he got songs with this guy, songs with man and fresh. This dude got a lot of music out there, Drake, Drake. You know, this dude got, yeah, he got accolades. So at the end of the day, he's not just some guy who don't have connections. Kill him, Mike. This guy is not just somebody who hadn't been working with people in hip hop. He ain't just doing this just for cloud. I don't believe. I think that he don't think that I don't think so. But why wouldn't you not reach out to the person specifically? Because I don't think that is a deal for me. That was another point that I wanted to say this. I just want to say that when you look at this dude, D1 and the stuff that he's done, he's done his he's done his due due diligence. He talked about it on here that Rick Ross had a song said, God forgive and I don't. That's one of his things that he brought up on here when we was talking. You know, the thing I look at is this ain't some new message from him. He's been given this same message and take it because he said something about a kid having a little Wayne tattooed on him. That's why he and he didn't even understand what he what what what what what the message was behind what little Wayne was saying in the certain song that he was pretty much pushing out. But the thing I can say is when I when I look at when I look at D1 from what's that boy named a boy's Watkins and all the boys that run with him. You know what I'm saying? He's the one who would run with D1. Okay. He's all even willing to be. I'm pretty sure it's the same thing. These guys in these circles with this dude, they've been dealing with this dude saying like he don't know some reputable people in hip hop. That's all I wanted to go. I don't think he just jumped out here. I want to get attention because he already he got plenty of views. He's doing this thing. He not on a Rick Ross level, I guess, because he's not secular. But the dude has a whole brand that he pushes and he ain't just like running around here. He come here once a month to teach to teach. They fly me in to teach kids here. I have cons and pros for both sides, you know, just like what you were saying, you know, I do respect their grind and their hustle from the beginning coming up. I have listened to a lot of their hits. And yes, I when I was younger, I sang a lot of because I'm a hook. I sing the hook, but the rest of it, I don't know nothing about the rest of it. So we get into all of the other stuff. I mean, I never know what they're saying until when I had to research just now to hear actually listen to the words and know what it was talking about. Right. But I don't that's not going to stop me from singing the the hook, right? Because I like it. But at the same time, I'm not going to go out there and slide or do whatever. Right. But I've known just like, say, R&B, you have some songs that was talking about how this person cheater, this person, this and that. But a certain person who just went through what they're saying, listen to it, want to go and go beat up that woman or want to go do stuff and may even go do whatever because of how what a song is saying. You know what I mean? And I've heard, no, I've seen I've seen that not actually going do it, but would actually leave them like, man, I'm going this because it hyped them up. You understand what I mean? I'm going to hype them up, especially if you are going through whatever they're saying at that time and resonate with whatever that person is saying. So even when they're talking about in rap music, how, you know, this dude did this to them that and they had to go do this, blah, blah, blah, blah. That could have just happened to somebody. And they listen to that song and it'll be like, man, that could have hiked them up. We don't know. Just like I've heard people, I've heard people sitting in that same seat and talk about the reason they ended up on the streets selling drugs and doing whatever they came from a good household. Mom and dad there, they didn't have to need for anything. They didn't have to do that. But listening to this music, glorifying the game, this and that, whatever. I've heard so many times people sitting in that seat and because of that. And the only thing I'm saying is that cameras are in front of it, too. So a lot of people sitting over here with that old cap on their head. Man, let me tell you something. Hold on, hold on, hold on. But what I'm saying is that because what D was talking about was, as I said, the lyrics and the only thing just like you talk about the soul food references soul food. People start to soul food, yes, because, you know, that's what we love. But I guarantee you people working in there and not eating that food every single day for the rest of their life, because they'll end up with diabetes. They end up with high blood pressure to end up with all this other stuff. You understand? Because it's not healthy for you to be consuming that stuff all the time. Exactly. So what I'm saying is that because they've been in that business, they know better, they might feed it to you. But I guarantee you they're not eating it every day. Just like the rappers who have grown from being on the streets, the grind, the hustle, they don't have to do as much anymore. But they still go out there and do their albums and stuff like that. Like he just came over this album, which great work, great, you know, great individual. I love his hustle, as I said, Rick Ross. And all of them, they have great hustle. But what I'm saying is that Rick Ross fan, don't get it twisted. You know, they're doing that stuff anymore. You understand what I mean? So why not balance what you're doing with some other stuff, showing people how to elevate their game in your music? If you really great at music. And this is the sad thing. If you really great at music, like them people is y'all talking about. They got every song, man. But that's not going to be really emphasized. You're not going to necessarily be talking about, you know, their positive songs. This same dude, Rick Ross, he got a song Mama Smile, you know, like people have other songs. But when you when you are looking to critiquing and you go to the worst. Yeah, they're gonna make it seem like that's what it is that you always be doing. It's just it's unfair. But like I said, the only issue that I had with it because it's to be critiqued, you know, I'm saying, but is from a from a rapper like that's crazy. I get it. I get it. And like I said, I just know I sit down with him and watching their music for all these years, I rock with all of them. So I ain't for the set here and act like I'm gonna rock with them. Whatever they doing, because they look like me, I'm gonna be real. I'm kind of throw like that. You know, I'm rocking with it. You know what I'm saying? Like, if it's something else other than I ain't. But when it comes to the music, even Meek Mills, and I'm not a big Meek Mills fan like that. OK, of his music. I mean, but I listen to it because in the club, I heard him go crazy a few times when it come down to that damn buildup song. You have other people that you are a fan of. Oh, yeah, for sure. And that's that's that's what I'm saying. If you don't like what this person is doing, like if you don't want to eat at this place, go eat somewhere. It's common sense. But to sit up in and to say publicly to bring a bad look to what somebody is doing in a craft to feed. They family, that shit is some man and I definitely I definitely felt you. I just seen you on the internet with that. And I just wanted to speak on it. Now we went to far in on it for me. But we went way far in on it. But I want to I really want to as a few things that then come across. So we're going to get into the music. Don't even to where I got to ask you about this. I got to because last time, you know, you made some crazy statements on from day one. When you come over, I'm going to change. You did change something right in the midst of it. But this right here came to my desk, man, right before the show. OK, you probably heard it yet because you don't be on it. You ain't had time. You was in traffic, nigga. OK. Honey, come braze. OK. Come out and see it. Jay Prince did not meet him when he got out. He was upset about it. And you might you don't have to speak on. But some he said early in the day on his life, he said you went and met Pimp C and I'm better than Pimp C. Oh, OK. Lyrically, he can touch me. He not know ways, you know, his talent ain't even know where close to man. I don't know if this is a I don't know if this is a plot. I don't know. But you know how I am about Pimp C. Yeah, you like that at all. So I'm trying to figure out what is is these people really is this stuff real on this internet? Or these people just doing this for cloud or or or, you know, this internet got everybody, you know, standing up looking, you know, in a sense. Yeah. So I'm just trying to understand, man. Like, like for sure, that is not a truth when it comes down to what I believe. Right. But what make you think what make a person say something like that? Do you know? No, I mean, yeah. This right here with you right now. That's what a person is looking for. They looking for you to say something about it. It's just a new day that we in, man, that we living in an algorithm and in a captioning world. So if you can associate your name in a caption, I'm not saying nothing about Brazier, you know, he just got out of the situation. Just came home. Happen to have him home. Your grandparents have been killed. But his grandparents did get killed right before he left. He's had, you know, and I'm pretty sure you're dealing with whatever. Got to, you know, the traumas that go along with it. But at the end of the day, we living in a in a caption environment where now the caption is going to say, Brazier, yeah. And PMC and then whatever's in between. Yeah, I got something to put up there. Right. You can get you a check out of. Yeah, I got to put me something up there because because that's all I talk about on here. PmC got birthday coming up next month. You know, we will be celebrating here. There has not been a time that we didn't celebrate, you know, PmC's life on his birthday here. And a shout out to his to his family. Son just got home. To Bunn and Bunn and all of their true family. For sure. For sure. Under Bunn. Love them guys, man, Texas, man, stand up, man. You, man, I seen you on a live with Bunn B. And he, you and him spoke. I think he talked about being on his new project. How was that? And how did you how did that even come about? You know, Bunn, he had been showing love for a while. You know, out of town in Atlanta, people was asking them about me and stuff like that. And he just I was always hearing even before that we had talked that that he was always seeing positive things about me and in certain company. And, you know, you know, we, we, you know, you do something good like that for us, man, when ain't nobody, you know, looking at whatever, you know, it's big. So just just seeing getting embraced from the ones that we looked up to and still look up to, man, it's always a big thing. It's a beautiful thing. And when you when you because, you know, you know, we've been doing what we've been doing for a while and just to get to a place where you start to be recognized by by your OGs, you know, that's a it's it's no feeling like it. Man, I mean, to be honest with you, man, you see I don't know if you've seen that, but I interviewed him probably about a month two ago, about a couple of months ago now. And, man, that was probably one of my interviews for me personally, a dope interview, because I'm a fan. Right. And I told him before that, like I creeped up on that situation because I didn't want to mess up my fanism and my my whole, you know what I'm saying? Because it's so important to me that my longevity with this, you know, this UGK movement, I don't want to touch that if you're going to mess it up because it's too good to me. And he didn't know that. He didn't know that you in it. Yeah, yeah, like me and my wife, Jamaican, she heard every UGK song riding up and down the road. Every time you're on the road, that's what she's going to get. She got to hear that. We raised on it. So, you know, that. So that's why when it was important to her, she actually reached out to Bud through the DM to, you know, link us up because she knew I wouldn't fit to do it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And Bud came across just as he, you know, as I would have wanted him to, you know what I'm saying? And we link the same because I'm a year. I'm a couple of years older than Bun. So it's like I'm creeping on this because I know we done met a few times, but I had never had had chances to sit down with him. And man, we had a hell of an interview. And I just, you know, I appreciated that man. So definitely to see you and him after I felt like it was me because I had you on the show. No matter how you just listen. I'm thinking your success is my success. I'm like, OK, that nigga right there. I seen him on boss talk, right? You know, in my mind, I'm out. He's gonna bother you. I said, Bun seen the nigga on boss talk a few times, and then he seen him, you know, him and Kiki been on boss talk. So he said, you know what? I need to highlight him and he knew a few people. Yeah, he know he know he and right after that. That's when he comes. And that's the beauty. Small circle, a small world, a small world. And that's how we end up being on the same page. I enjoyed it, man. I love seeing you all link up together, man. And like, so, you know, this album, you, you, I mean- Pay made me rich. Oh, you weren't going to a before me. Yes, I am. You on a trip, man. So, you're on the same album though, didn't you? So, tell me, tell me about where that came from. Okay, first, like, you know, where all of, you know, I've been out four years now, and this is my 15th album upon being out. So- Which nobody does that. Right, but the, and then not necessarily even just about music, I mean, about my particular, I just feel like everybody, this is, that's one of them, one of them statements that I feel like it's applicable to all of us. Like, everything that you went through is to get you the way you are now, you know, to get you understanding of where it is right now. So for me is, I went through a lot of, a lot of self-inflicted things. It wasn't the music fault, it wasn't, it was nobody fault but my own, right? So it wasn't from listening to music when you was younger? No, it wasn't for, it wasn't the music fault, right? But everything, I always was really kind of having fun throughout my process, like it was, and then I kind of always knew that whatever I was going through at a particular moment, like I kind of retained it, I retained it from a level of like, I'm gonna use this one day, you know what I mean? This is gonna be worth some, you know? Just everything, you know, like my friends, people I was locked up with, they became like brothers, just everything, like my journey period, music, even, you know, from just everything about it, like the growing up, seeing your favorite rappers on CDs and whatever, and to now being friends with these rappers, you know? And you put it all in this. Right, these people calling you and shit, and I like, this is my peer group, these is my peers, you know? It's an amazing journey, and that's what I mean personally by all the pain that I went through to be able to not even, I mean, to even just have the voice that I have, like to, you know, the way I look, and, you know, sometimes I just be looking like, damn, where the fuck, I don't went crazy at some points, you know, and to get to where I can just be. I can't imagine that. Yeah, like your first tattoo, like tattoos on your face and shit like that. People was telling me that I was saying, which I can't really remember, but people was telling me that, man, you remember when you first started getting your face tattoo, you were saying like, shit, you gonna rap? Like, I'm gonna get out of the mirror. I don't recall it. I mean, no. I don't really remember the thinking process, really, of starting, I remember just starting them, and you know, you just kind of keep on going, and next thing, you know, you be covered up, but yeah, just like I say, everything. Elevation, though. But the rich part, when you talking about rich, what I'm getting is not even just rich monetarily, it's rich, I mean, with the people around you, everything made you rich in that form. Is that what you meant? Yeah, like my network and the people that I'm able to meet and interact with, and then sometimes it's just as simple as, like, you know, fans, you know, fans reaching out to you and telling you certain things, like, that's probably one of my best, my favorite things about this career is I can never really get to, imagine like you being cheered on every day. Like, I'm really being cheered on every day. Somebody telling me something positive every day, like people, you know what I mean? People hear me from Finland. Like, I just got on your, you know, that. And so sometimes, you know. Does it blow your mind? Sometimes it be needed, like you need it. It come right when you need it, you know? You got it. So it's just a beautiful thing, man. And we got a long way to go. So it's just, this is to mark this point in time of, this is just how I was feeling in the moment coming off of David Street and just, I kind of felt like these albums for me, you know, moving to Houston and being inside of the understanding of how, you know, we make music, you know, as self-made or key or me and key or whatever. I kind of felt like this was an elevation for me musically. Just really showcasing what I have learned since being in Houston. What about conker culture? Right. You know, that was one that I listened to that counter, you know, jumped off of me. Right. You know what I'm saying? I went through that, I went through that listening. You say you selling niggas culture? I'm like, y'all had a man listen, man. Every time you don't ever fail. Like, what made you do that song and name that song that? Oh, man, just. You out there selling niggas culture? Like, wow, like crazy, you know what I mean? Like, I used to sell drugs like man, people is hitting me up for boxes and a shirt and a CD and I'm selling myself. I'm selling the way I talk, the way I, you know what I'm saying? The way we see things and the way we interpret things. And, you know, for me, somebody like me, man, that stuff is a real crazy blessing because like many people fuck with what we got going on and they want to be a part of it. They want to have something tangible to hold on to to kind of, you know, mark this moment in time for them as well. So, yeah, we really literally out here selling culture. Out here selling culture, man. Yeah, and you had some, you had a few collabs on that thing, man. Like, it was a lot, it was, it was more than, I think more than David Street for show. Like more features on this one. Man, dealing with creative people and being able to work together and collaborate and bring ideas to life. And man, that's, that's, see, that's something that I hadn't really, I hadn't been doing as far as like, I just got out here and just put my head down and just started, you know, doing albums by myself. So I didn't even really understand them, the mysteries of that shit right there and how to, you know, like, because it was, my operation was a one-man operation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like now, you know, to be able to, first of all, have the respect that your peers to be able to ask them, you know, and it can operate like, and also being asked, like people ask me to, and my heroes be asking me to, to do verses and shit like that. That shit is crazy, you know? Mr. Lee on that one, I just, that was healing and little Kiki, like, like, you know, how do you come up with who you gonna put on a song, when you gonna put them on a song, as far as the beats that you selected and just the way the whole thing is laying out. How did you know who you was gonna have on that song? How do I know? I really- That's some particular action. I'm gonna tell you, just in the process of doing this, what I have found out, you are a conduit to kinda, you know, help things go along or whatever, but man, at the end of the day, the music really be making itself. And you may have an idea for one person to get on there and it don't be, it's not for them, you know, it's for somebody else. So really all you can do is kinda, you know, kinda hurt it this way or kinda hurt it that way, but whatever it's supposed to be in the end, that's what it's supposed to be. That's why this, man, the craft of music making and all of this stuff, man, it's a really spiritual endeavor. So when you see that, again, like, that's why you gotta be careful when you talk about people's stuff, man, because this is a spiritual undertaking. It's not, I'm waking up and I'm saying it's not that. You don't have as much control over this stuff as you think, as somebody outside the culture would think. But in your music, you're talking your truth, right? Yeah, I mean, I am expressing to be really, really under some shit that I know that people ain't gonna really understand. I am letting myself as whatever the frequency is of whatever song or whatever the energy is, I am listening to that as well. I'm letting it happen, if you wanna say, like, I'm not really thinking about it, to be honest. It's a certain energy that you get into for each different song, the same as if it was a slow, filly kind of song. Whereas as you become in tune with whatever feeling that whatever comes out of you at that moment, that's what the song is. I can't make that song without the music first, you know what I mean? I can't, it's a marriage of certain things that makes it happen. It's not no fucking, this ain't making burgers. This is the music game. And when you start talking about the way when people are responding to you in a certain way as if, man, you did that and it touched me, it's a humbling feeling for both of us. You see what I mean? It's like, wow, that's what it did. So I'm feeling like this, this music, we could just say Lee, for example, Lee, think that this, I want you on, here it is, I'm hearing you, I'm sending this to you. I hear that track, I vibe with it. That's me and his spirit right there. I may think, okay, I'm gonna get stuff on this to sing the hook, but now hers is in there, you know? And you saying this, I'm rapping this, he put this feeling into, and then we shoot the video, we do the, and they respond to it, however they respond to it. Or guess what? Or they don't say shit, or they say, fuck it, or we don't care, and they ignore it or whatever. And then you back to the drum board to express again, to see, you know what I'm saying? Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, let me ask you about something that just crossed my, big poke, man. He passed away, and last project, you had a big poke out on that project, and I know he would have been on this project. For sure. So like, that's something, that's an empty space that we didn't even see coming. Yes. For that to happen the way it did. I remember you had some harsh words that you said when he first passed away. Of course. It was like, don't, it was something you said, like don't put all this over, it was like almost a, What did I say? You said it in the moment, it was like about. He said it on social media? He said it on social media. Man, were you sure? I'm pretty sure it was. It was something, it may not even have been to that, but it was almost like a fake love thing, like J-Dog did, I think. It was almost like, you know what I mean? Like when somebody passed. I don't recall it, but I would say I was. I'm telling you it happened, I was looking at it. I mean, I know you're not lying. But it made sense, like, it was almost like, don't contact me with it. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you remember that. Yeah, I do remember that. I remember, I love you, so I'm always watching you. It wasn't, it wasn't like a thing. You win, I win. You repeat exactly what you said. Or first someone, let's say this, I wasn't in my feelings about it. I really wasn't. I don't think that either. No, it was, it was like, man, y'all stop calling me about this type shit. Yeah. Like, you know, like, I don't wanna be all dancing. Man, Al is you all right and all that. Hey, man. I felt that. Stop. And I didn't call him at once. I don't even think I called him about that. No, like, like, it is. But I know you, I felt that people, you was trying to get a message out to say, hey, man. Man, but if people are calling you, wouldn't that mean that they care about you and they're just checking on you to make sure that you okay? Man, you know that, you know people be nosy, man. Some of them, but some of them genuinely do, probably can't. If you genuinely, okay, can we, that's what I'm saying. I have to be careful. That's why I really kinda tone down on the interviews because things can be misconstrued. When you, what I'm trying to say is that my mama died. Okay? Your mama's, your mama's dead? My mama's dead, my daddy gone. Your daddy gone? Mm-hmm. So if, if. So you saying if they didn't call you to check on you then then don't call and check on you at all. No, no, no, I'm not saying that. You've been through a lot already. I'm saying that exactly. Like, man, some of my closest friends undied. A lot of, you know what I mean? Like, hey, you know what I'm saying? It's life. Yeah, I mean, I'm to the point now where it's life. And you know, and one thing I know for sure is that it's gonna happen to me too. Mm-hmm. And all we can do when we lose people, man, is try to get the lessons. Man, Polk was a great guy, a lovable dude, so cool. Like one of the coolest, like a real cool ass nigga, like probably one of the most coolest niggas I ever met. And like, just his spirit, he a humble soul, man. And he was just a individual that can light up the room. He had real rap aura, you know? And he was really reluctant to do this shit, isn't he? Give a really, give a fuck about this shit, really. What lesson have you learned from him? Work hard while you got the opportunity. And don't take this shit for granted. Cause if you neglect your opportunities and you don't maximize your moment, the blessings that you get, you know, later on when maybe you're not in the greatest health and you gonna be in a position where you, where you gotta work hard anyway and that could be to your detriment, you know? Man. You gotta try to get it, why the getting is good, you gotta get it, you know what I mean? Don't, that way when, if ever you get a, you know some kind of bad prognosis, you know? You can adjust knowing that, man, I put my work in when I had the opportunity, but that's neither here nor there. We love him. And like I said, just a brother that embraced me real fast, man, due to Keith for sure. And just being around him and just his energy was definitely very contagious. You was around him, you felt, you know, like seen for sure you felt like he wasn't fully himself. He was just a real laid back humble dude, man, that had this gift that was effortless to him and that he really wasn't. Let me ask you, and during that interview, like I'm not interviewed, but during that video, like when y'all did that video together, what can you remember that sticks out to you about the video when you and Keith- Only funny, only funny shit. Like what, give me something, the fans deserve it. I was okay, like when we had to go to this place to go film this one part of the video and I remember when he came in with the mud bully kennel shirt on, I remember thinking like, oh, damn, you gonna wear your business shirt? You know, like, oh, damn, Dina. You know, like, he just was, he never gave a fuck about this shit, really. Like he didn't take it, like, you know, he just, I am, you know, come up. But he was definitely very fly. Like, man, I'm just, he's so cool that like no matter, he bringing his aura, you know, and he ain't really tripping about like some shit that I would have been tripping about. Like I wouldn't know a boss talk shirt to his video, but he just was a great dude, man. I really was just so happy that he was even there to begin with. We shared a lot of laughs. I'm glad we got a lot of that on film. And man, like, I remember we went to, it was Key's party, but I forget what, it was definitely a party for 25 summers. And man, like, just to think that we at this party and we laughing and talking, and he don't even got two more weeks. He don't even got another week left, you know, like on the planet, like, and the same picture from this night was on the obituary, you know what I mean? I mean, it was like, cause so every time I see that picture, I can't help but think of like, man, we, you know, when we go to these parties, like that's our thing, you know what I mean? Like, that's my boy, man. So it's like we, he's my party partner. Mean that like, that's who I be with. I get by him in these parties where Key is the lead dog or whatever. Do you ever feel like because of how he died or, you know, maybe you've had other friends who have just, you know, passed away suddenly as he did, do you ever feel like, cause I know I feel that way, like your treasured moments, like, I need to spend more time with family. I need to build certain things because death has no age, sort of, you know, so it can happen to any one of us. So to build something with the family, to leave with them so that they're okay, not only financially, physically, but also mentally. For sure. And to get the most out of your gifts. Yeah. Like whatever your gift is, don't be playing like you got next year or, you know, or next week, you don't have, you don't know how much time you got. So try to, try to lead with a certain sense of urgency, like have a sense of urgency about what it is that you're doing. You don't want to get marginalized out of your moment due to not giving all you got. He would have definitely been on pain, made me rich. Oh, for sure. Man, let's talk about that, Texas Tough Man. He do got an album coming though. He do? Yes. I gotta make sure I say that. Yeah, he got an album coming. Oh, when is that coming out? It's not my place to say. Yeah, okay. But he definitely, he definitely got an album coming though. Okay. For sure. Texas Tough Man, you and Kiki, of course, I hear y'all and I love hearing y'all collab, man, cause y'all dope, but to see Twisted Black getting that thing and he was not playing. I listened to it. I said, that nigga was not playing, he fit right on up in everything. He held his business. How did you feel about the track? And like, like, how did you, how did that even come about? Black. Of course, you know, that's my boy. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, love Black, love Black. I'm gonna tell you what's crazy. How I first started talking to Black. Bink, legendary producer, big on Rick Ross catalog. Bink is my boy. Bink the humble monster. Bink had called me one day with DJ Tump on the phone, on FaceTime. And so like, I'm like, damn. And it shows like DJ Tump and Bink. I'm like, what the fuck? You know what I mean? Like, legend is great, you know. You know, DJ Tump, like rubber band, man. You know what I mean? Like, you know, big ass producer, what the hell y'all calling me for on FaceTime and wanna see me and shit. And they was asking me basically like what I thought about twisted Black. He had just came home at the time or something, right? And I'm like, what the fuck you mean? What I mean? What I think, you know? I don't know. And they was asking me basically what I thought that he should be doing, right? Like asking me for some type of insight. Mind you, if you know about rap history, man. Black was before he got incarcerated or whatever. Man, Black had a million dollar deal on the table. Meaning that somebody thought enough of him to give him a million dollars to rap. You know what I mean? Back to the questioner, what the hell is y'all calling me for? You know what I mean? What is you asking me to, you know, to critique his situation, whatever. But, you know, they was just asking my insight. You know, we talked and, you know, we, as far as I chopped game with them. And then somebody else was asking me about him as well. So, yeah, it just seemed like it was, and I think I called you right. Like I was like, I was like, let me in. Yeah, you called me in, then we linked up with him. You know, we already was talking, you know, but it was just something that was organic because you already have been talking around with him as well. And I had already told him about you. Right. I told him about you when I interviewed him. I'm like, man, you give it, he like, you know, I was like, yeah, you need to talk to the ID. So just like Tump and just like Bink, DJ Bink was telling you, I was telling him because of your journey and your grind. And on my mind, I'm like, if I can link y'all together, then I can definitely get him to understand the way you're developing in this environment. It's really important. To me, it's like the way you are developing versus the way he's developing, it's going to be important to him to see your development. That's all, you know what I mean? And to see you and to say, I can do it after being locked up for so many years. Right, but we learned from each other for sure. For sure. But I knew that that would be, because I knew he's live, I knew he don't, but I wanted to see both of y'all kind of talk and come into your element because I knew that you already, you see what you didn't try to both ways. Nigga, you been out here selling boxes of goodies ever since I met you. You got all kinds of SD cards and all kinds of stuff. Then you went and you started dealing with the streaming and you know, working, you trying to figure it out on that end, I seen this with my own eyes. And you, out of anybody to me, would be able to give some good advice on how to survive in this environment. Right. That's what I did. Apparently a few people thought like this. Same way. You know, just us talking, intelligent brother, man, just, I'm going to tell you another thing, really just real niggas, man. Like we just got to help each other. Like it's one of them situations where you don't, it's not enough of us to get to choose. You know, like I'm only going to mess with these, you know, it ain't enough of us. So we got to help each other in whatever way we can. And upon, like another thing is, you know, of course I'm very connected into Fort Worth politics and stuff like that. So, you know, everybody told me that, that he was a real nigga, really. They say he was solid. They say his character was, was great. What'd you think about that verse on that, on that song? That's, that's, see this. That whole went hard. Back to what we said. That whole went hard. When you got the other stuff. That whole went hard, nigga. It can go easy, man. You niggas killed that. It can go easy, man. I know y'all be getting mad at me a lot of times because I'm the type of nigga to put y'all up against anybody. Right. Y'all niggas don't want to go though. Y'all, now man, that's, you know, a lot of niggas don't, I'd be like, man, Kiki do this, man. L.D. might be this and niggas get mad cause I don't care. You know, I'm out here putting in my building blocks together. You go get that nigga. I'm gonna go get this nigga type of conversation. And I really stand on this. This is what I believe. And it'll be like, man, that nigga, man, I done heard some hell of arguments. Man, I'm gonna tell you. Because this is the South. And I'm not trying to hear about this whole broken scale that niggas been using for years. So quit trying to make me, I'm not with that. It's a lot of talented rappers, a talented artist period. That's right. In the state of Texas, man. And I would advise you to, you know, talk to them killer callions and Cal Waynes. I'm gonna bring that, it's on, what's the name of that song? It's on me or, what's the name? Maybe it's me. Maybe it's me. Kyle. I seen you and killed a callion and looked up on that. Yeah, but I'm gonna tell you something, like, just, and like, have this in your mind because it's one thing to like, when you, when you call is, is, Callion is one of the, probably what a lot of people will say is the top lyricists in Texas, right? Jadakiss and all of these, you fuck with all of them and shit, right? And plus he got a, he got a lustrous history as far as doing this thing. It's one thing to think to yourself, like as, as a formidable person yourself, like, that you gon' kill whatever, whoever, blah, blah, blah. But then when we go to the studio though, yeah, and we in here together, do you still have that same confidence? That's what I'm saying. Like, I think a lot of times in this rap shit, from what I see, people talk over what their experiences are and they never been in a situation where you was with one of the elite MCs or these elite rappers that's around here, millionaire platinum rappers and shit like that. It's easy to talk about how, how good you think you are, but you haven't never made a project and a million people went to go buy it, one million people. See what I'm saying? So you got a, you got to factor that in and I just was really blessed to be able to fuck with somebody, you know? And I'm going to say this man, you know, I knew already what it was going to be to me, you know, when I, when I seen, when I seen the track on there, but also I knew you, you know, you gonna hold your own for show, man, Lil Kiki, man, that's a whole another level right there, just in itself, you know? So I ain't even trying to hear none. If you can get on that track with Lil Kiki, nigga up in Texas, nigga, it's a, for me, that's hard, bro. Like, ain't no, niggas don't give him enough credit. I'm just going to be real with you. Hey, let me, let me say this about that. I'm glad you said that. I'm just going to be real with you. I don't care who don't like it. It don't matter who don't like it. But I want to, I want to, I want to really make sure that I say this because I see, I definitely got the time to do it. I really do got the time to do it because it didn't go as, we good. Oh. We really good, you know? And it's only how I want that to be understood. Okay. Okay, so I want to, I want to make sure that like, that I say this on record. Man, key, first, before I get to key, man, I've been very fortunate in my rap life to have great teachers. Of course, a lot of people know I was like there were Rory, Rory, definitely. Shout out Rory, that's my guy right there. He give me a lot of trouble though, but it's all good. I got to get him on the mic cause too many niggas keep coming until he can rap. He can rap. He the best rapper live, Texas, nigga world. I'm on him, man, I'm on him. This boss talk, you know, podcast one on one, like you- So unique hustle. Really a unique hustle, he's everywhere in it. We got to figure this out, but go ahead, that's my guy. So when you talk about like, first of all, you can give somebody and bestow upon them the fundamentals and then they take it to wherever they gonna take it to. But the whole point, what I'm trying to say is that I was, you know, I really didn't think I had shit else to learn about this shit, to be honest. I mean, I know what I'm learning every day. Man, that nigga Kiki is a motherfucking wizard in this shit and this whole, man, it's really not, I don't think it's exciting to hear about with people. You know what I mean? Don't bother give a damn how you make this shit. Do we like it or do we not? And I get that. But I will tell you that being, in when somebody allow you into a space while they create, man, that's a, that's, that's a, they fuck with you when you do that, you know, to allow you into a space while they doing this shit and for you to see how it, how it, you know, how to do this. Not to say you're going to do the exact same thing, but when you know how, like if I teach you how to make kale and now you know the, for your taste, you might put this or this. Exactly. Right. But just being in a situation where I've been blessed to be with him like creates and just to elevate my game musically to understand that this is a spiritual thing. This is not just, you know, just making music and you know, just saying something is, is collaboration is energies is, you know what I mean? Energy is everything. And it's, it's you, you are responsible with making sure that the right energies to produce the results that you want are in place. And this is all shit that I learned from him, you know. Yeah, I'm going to be real, man. Like when I think about just what you've been able to accomplish in the time that you've been home and all the stuff that you've done, man, it's just incredible to see, you know, what, what you've done. You leave no excuse for dudes to come out here and act as if they don't have the opportunity. Right. Only thing, you got to work though and you got to be strategic and you got to look and listen at the mission. You got to pray. You got to pray. You got to pray and you got to understand that you're going to go through some hard times, some hardships and then still be able to get up and look up and keep it moving. Do you want to hear the sad reality? Let's talk about it. The sad reality is this shit not for everybody. Come on now. And it's really not. You know what I mean? Man, when you talk about feelings being hurt, you spend the majority of your time with hurt feelings in this shit, you know? And you got to have a thick skin about it and you got to keep pushing. Of course you have to pray and all of that, but meaning first and foremost, you got to pray. But just at the end of the day, this shit not for everybody. It's not. It's like, it's not. I think once you put yourself out in a limelight, no matter what type of career you're in, you put yourself out there for criticism for, it's like you have to have that thick skin, whether you're in music, blogging, content, creating, whatever, because you put in your life out there, just like I used to always say, I was always feel sorry for some celebrities because they have no privacy. When you reach a certain status and you walk out there, TMZ, all these other people that's in your face, you can't even go to a grocery store anymore. That's a trade-off. But is it worth it? Oh, depends on how much you really want to do what it is that you're doing, you know? It's never gonna be an even balance to anything that you're trying to do. And as anybody that's ever tried to achieve balance, you know, you're gonna be falling off. You're gonna be lacking because there is no balance. You gotta have, you know, your significant other or something to hold whatever end that you lack, you know? So, you know, for me, personally, I have fucked up so much that I just, just like I'm gonna do this or die, you know? Die in it. Love the streets, man. Delicia J, how did you end up picking her to be on that song? And it had like an R&B-ish feel to it too, which was real, it was a real fly vibe. Thanks. And Trey Ward. Yeah, I heard both of them. Like, they both came, they actually complimented one another. Right, and that's the whole goal, man, to put people in positions where they can, see this, you know what I'm saying? This is my development as an artist is, has led me to wanna use my platform, my albums or whatnot to put people in a position to be, do what they do and be their best selves, you know? I feel like that's part of my responsibility, you know? To kinda lay it out to where people can, because, you know, basically that's what's been done for me. Wow. You know, that's, people have been put me in these positions, man. Mr. Leap fucking with me and- Man, legend, yeah. Key and of course, DZ and just anybody, you know? Anybody that ever had fucked with me in any kind of way, they didn't have to. Like, they just was blessing my game and it was, you know, for me to have like this many and to being like this cycle and this process of creating and releasing music, you know? I wanna be a bridge, I wanna help, you know? Yeah, sure. I just wanna say thank you for coming on the show. I don't wanna let you get out of here, I'm about to let you get out, but I mean, you did, what is it? 15 tracks on this, okay, what track sticks out to you? I've told you the ones that I, I've asked questions about certain ones that stuck out to me, like- Uh, you know, our bullshit side, Jack Freeman, I think I just really, just really, I really fuck with Jack Freeman's voice. All of it, it's a cohesive project. And I'm gonna tell you like, like, bro, like, we don't, when we make this music, like it's not a joke, it's not a, well, you know, we just making music, you know, drop it, post it, and then go about your business. Like, this is, nah, this is, it's a big investment in this shit. We do what we do, we put the work in, and it's for a certain, it's for a certain outcome, and we always on to the next thing too. So, I just, I look and expect for people to come away with, um, like, you know, to just feel the effort in it, and to know like, damn, this nigga done took it to another level. Man, pain made me rich, man. Y'all need to get, stream that. I'm gonna say this right now, anybody who think this project right here, go listen to the lyrics, get your best rapper, I don't care if you're in the East Coast, West Coast, in the South, go listen to this album and tell me, cause I just don't think, hey, it's gonna be hard to touch. This is my opinion, you can't say nothing, nigga. This is my opinion, go check it out. If you got somebody that can go ball for ball with him, let me know. We gonna put him right here in this seat beside him. I seen him on rap economics the other night too. He's not nobody to play with. I'm telling you right now, hey, this pain made me rich, I promise you, you know, you better go check it out, cause there's a lot of greats on there. But this nigga right here, man, listen, shout out to Papa Doc too, I know you're gonna want this one. You're gonna want this one, baby. I got it, and you're gonna want it, you know what I'm saying? Man, thank you for coming on the show, man, but I really don't think lyrically there's nobody touching you right now. That's my opinion, y'all know what I'm saying? I've seen you do this over and over again. Mr. Lee's seen it in you. Lil' Kiki's seen it in you. Robbie's seen it, everybody's seen it in you. I see it in you. You know what I'm saying? Ain't nobody touching that, bro. So at the end of the day, you ain't gonna say, I'ma say it for you. I don't know what I'm saying. Go check that out, man. If you think you don't listen, listen, the goat is in the building. Y'all niggas better get it. Yeah, let's get it. Oh yeah, I don't make them come for you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, come for it, he ain't scared. I don't know, man, I'm not. But we very blessed, though, man. But we humble, man. We very blessed, and we've been given this opportunity. And you know, we just gonna continue to master gas and get the most out of it. Lil' Kiki, man, where you at, baby? You know already, you've been on Boston. You talk about this all the time. Kiki, done, Kiki, where you at, baby? This time, I know we didn't get to do it last time, but I got your bone here again. I'm on it. He actually coming. He actually coming. I know it, I know. I'm ready for to get him. I gotta get him up in here. You know what I'm saying? He say he coming here for show. Yeah, we gotta do it, man. I thank you guys, man. Love you guys, man. How can people get a hold to you? Man, add the 300 on every platform. A, L, hyphen, D, asterisk, 300, no spaces on any, on anything, man. So, you know. Man. It's a unique hustle. Hey, boss, I want a one, what a boss is talk. Now we out.