 Do you think With the new bomb movies coming up they are going to reuse the scooby-gan or are they gonna recast all of them? Yeah, that is the question Welcome back everyone. This is your own better known as Dutch Bond fan and once again I'm rejoined by my good friend John from haphazard stuff. How you doing John? Very well. Thank you. Good to see you again, Jerome Yes, we're here for episode five in our six-part series of Discussing no time to die and this week we're going over The supporting cast which there are quite a few of so we're just gonna dive right into this and Start off with I think one of the bigger ones in this one the return of Felix Leiter Any thoughts on Felix Leiter to kick this off or for this movie? Well, we had I think everybody Pretty much liked Felix since Casino Royale. Jeffrey writes Take on Felix that kind of gruff Take that he's had on him and I think it was he was a welcome return since we hadn't seen him in the last two films Yeah, he did he did well. I like seeing him in Craig interact like they have They have a nice chemistry. Yeah, he didn't get a lot of screen time again Which I was kind of disappointed But I kind of expected that I expected him to like just come come in short scene Yeah dialogue exchange, you know set things up bring him back into the service What did you think of the return of Felix Leiter? You know, I agree with you. He Was welcomed. I do also enjoyed the continuity to use the same actor You know to not go with the old movies and just cast some other guy It's been Jeffrey right every time in the Craig movies. I did I did feel he seemed a bit more energetic and less mysterious than he was in like Casino Royale because you know Casino Royale, he had like the and quantum as well quantum Especially he had that the soft-spoken lines all the time cleaning chips and all that that stuff and now he had more like our elected leaders You know, they're not having a good time in the sandbox or something like that. It's a line like that was in the The movie so I felt like he had more energy to him. Yeah, he was a little bit more energetic like some of his lines He was like it's very excited. Yeah, like you're right like he was he was kind of a little bit more Excited a little bit more animated about like all right bond. You're in the mission. God right or something like he yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do this bond. Yeah, it was I Do kind of wish that he Like everybody likes the Cuba scene with Paloma and It's it's kind of funny like he he introduced his bond to Paloma and then like they go off on the thing I was like too bad like Felix didn't stick around for that Would have been cool to see to see him involved in that shootout with those two as well Maybe we never really saw like Bond and Felix like in in action together But they're always sitting around at a bar Right and and not just in this movie, but I think in general you never really see those two in action to get Maybe the opening of license to kill is as close as that gets to see them in action together Yeah, yeah, but it's funny too because I think in our forecasting series you predicted that Felix Would meet his doom in this in this movie and he did so I remember thinking like ah John got it, right? What do you know? Well, if anything like you knew he wasn't gonna have a huge role in this So and in a way, I think like his his death Was the best out of all the rest in the films Yeah, he seemed like he was like a very good Traditional sacrificial lamb in the book in a bond movie like we like him He dies and bond gets a great payback on the guy who killed him later. Yeah down the road Right, I think that all worked very well Did the death scene remind you of Vespers death in any way because I've seen that pointed out Yeah, it did in a way because yeah the kind of him drifting back. Yeah. Yeah, it did I get you think they That was intentional right they had to be I don't know maybe I mean You would say it could be intentional, but it's definitely there's definitely a look of Craig like oh, no not another one in this way You know, there's there's some of that Yeah, no, you're right. I do agree. This was one of the better deaths in the scene in the movie that Left kind of an impact like I I As soon as he was kind of so wounded before the the thing started flooding you felt it coming like oh, no Felix is not gonna make it this time, you know, that's Yeah, and I guess, you know because this is the last that we've discussed this countless times because this is the last of an era and of a story and they're Tying up all the loose ends. They they could get away with it. I guess I mean they could have easily had him survive But I think because yeah, it was this was the last Okay, we're Craig is leaving. This is it burned down everything and like Felix. Yeah He seemed like yeah prime target. Yeah all the girls survive, you notice Yeah, yeah, we talked about that one. Yeah, they don't they all do and that's another thing. I think you predicted Yeah, they all the women would Survive this one, but yeah, no overall. I think we're both kind of positive about Jeffrey right. I was Felix. Yeah, I liked I liked seeing him back Even in inspector. I kind of wish that he was gonna come back like when He tells bond tells Monica Baluchio. I have a friend named Felix. Yeah, he'll protect you I feel oh, oh, maybe we'll see Felix pull up in a car or a helicopter pick her up And then like yeah off like really fast, but I Remember thinking exactly that in the cinema like oh Felix's we're gonna see him But yeah only by name this might be loaded question But out of like all the Felix's that we've seen in the series, right? How does Jeffrey writes Felix rank for you? You know, I think he could be my top choice actually David Hettison, I think is it's one of my favorites as well mainly for license to kill not necessarily for living that I Jack Lord just had the classic look But yeah, and I think Jeffrey right had the the chance to do the most with it You know having to the chance to star in the role three times And he's certainly memorable. So yeah, I think he he's he's my top one. What about you? he does fit in like with Like the tone of Craig's movies like you I can't picture like Hettison Being in like a Craig movie with like, you know, he's so chipper and like, you know license to kill in some in some instances Yeah, yeah, all this Like I can't picture him and Craig like you know really clicking But yeah, I like I like Jeffrey right The more I think about it I kind of would have liked to have seen Felix get it his own tuxedo and gotten into that Cuba scene in some way But other than that Yeah, he was it was nice to see him again. It was nice to see him. I I have no complaints with him And it's a good point you raised because You know that Cuba scene was already really bad-ass, but you're right to see him Maybe shoot out with alongside Bond and Paloma in a tuxedo Maybe in a cigar in his mouth shooting crap out of everything I mean, it could they could have had him like we know like oh, they wanted to kill him off They could have had him get like shot or something by Logan ash Somewhere in that that that specter room or something like, you know, we he turns his back and like shoots like Felix when he's about to like warn Bond about something or Something like they could have done something where Yeah, Felix gets shot somewhere in there They they take him away to the boat and that's where like he finally ultimately dies But they could have incorporated. I think Felix in that scene somehow but I mean like it might have taken some of the shine off Paloma, but Maybe yeah Do you think Another question about Felix and this bond. Do you think this? Craig's James Bond would he be the best man at this Felix's wedding? I you know, I could picture that stuff, you know If yeah, maybe they what it's a difficult question that one But I can't picture like the beginning of life's to kill with with Jeffrey right and Daniel Craig I could picture that stuff. What about what do you think? I? Can't I can't picture these guys in a bright Outdoor wedding sipping like, you know, top hats, you know, that's hard. Yeah I'll clean all cleaned up like, you know around like relatives and in-laws and like trying to and being like, you know Very relaxed and sunny. Yeah, I can't I can't picture it It'd be it'd be weird like these guys they sit over bars drinking Heineken's Let's get the scientists would certainly it would certainly be filmed in a different way, but um, yeah Yeah, like in the context of like the way I think of like that license to kill wedding No, Craig and Jeffrey right they Would be like the odd odd guest out at that place Also returning is the the Scooby gang, of course Timer row now that we're introduced to Ray finds Playing M as well as Ben Wishaw returning to play Q and Naomi Harris as money penny all of which I really like also Bill Tanner by the way who played since quantum so Which one do you want to start with with out of these? Let's go for Tanner because Tanner. All right. I think Tanner had a little bit more more screen time then Money penny in this movie. I seem to remember more of Tanner than money penny Hmm. Is it just me? You know, I don't have like a schedule with with how many minutes each of these acts was in but You know, I remember a little bit more money penny. I think Tanner mainly. I remember like Get that one scene near the waterfront with Where Bond has this has a little conversation with em and you hear the majesties music playing in the background for whatever reason and Then the Tanner shows up there I've read something about that scene Yeah, I think I I know what you're gonna come up with but go ahead that when they were shooting that scene The the script they had no idea like how it would be worked into the mood. Can you believe this? Yeah? You would think after all these years they would have like a finished script at that point, but That's why I like it. I'm really anxious in five years time Or seven years or whenever when we get the real story about the production because there was a lot more stuff going on than just like Like the pandemic delays. It must be absolutely like that that script that was Always in flux. Yeah But Tanner did Tanner have any standout moments for you You know, this is probably the one out of the scooby gang I'm always the the shortest about you know, I like Rory Keneer as Tanner. He's very Memorable, but he's always the one out of the scooby gang that doesn't stand out the most if you get what I mean because You're asking me to pinpoint like a standout moment Does he really get one in this movie? I don't know out of the other ones They they all have something we're mentioning but Rory Keneer. He's usually there He brings a decent performance and he's a familiar face mostly, you know some nice continuity But I don't have much to bring to the table about Tanner at all in this movie. Actually, he's just he's there again He does his job kind of like that stuff He gives out the exposition the details of what's going on Tells em. Oh the ships are coming there. What should I tell them? Yeah? Oh, yeah that kind of stuff They could they could have they could have killed him often. I wouldn't have Like really flinched. It's better that they chose Felix I think for to do that that I wouldn't have had much of an impact Which by the way is funny and ironic maybe because I think in the novels Bill Tanner is supposed to be one of Bond's best friends that go those way back, you know You know, he's a very good relationship with with Tanner in the novels, but here. Yeah, you can be very short about him Yeah, I can picture like him in Bond hanging out like after hours. No, it doesn't seem like they would haunt the same places Yeah, it doesn't seem like they'd have too much to talk about Yeah, no Moving on to to what I think was one of the the more interesting ones Q Which I think is Ben Wishaw Was one of the most hilarious characters again Very very funny comic relief and I like what what Ben Wishaw is doing with Q. It's like it's you know, he doesn't Need to be a new Desmond Llewellyn. He's not trying to be he's his own separate character Yeah, an example is the one where he comes to the office and he's like oh shit 007 is here. I got to pretend that I have never seen him before up until this point. It's like hey 007 What what a surprise? I had not seen you and then and it's like God at Q. We already know Same with the apartment scene where All of a sudden like in the intercom you see Bond and money penny at his apartment And he's about to have like a date with some some dude which by the way Might be another topic they they made him homosexual this time Anything mentioning there or I was completely fine with that. I think it suited his his character. I Really, I didn't care Thank you If all I want from this character is to him like to come up with neat gadgets in the lab I really care what he does or what they're gonna do with him like After hours So I didn't I didn't really make I didn't even flinch like what it now Now because there are you know people that think like you know to bring this back to is this woke enough or something I don't think in that territory with Q and the gay stuff fine You know, it's not in your face or anything. It's and he's a fun character. He's Yeah hilarious in this one. There's a little courage. He has like eating the candies while he's Well, he's doing the Hacking and stuff. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah. Yeah, I mean he's he's still a fun character The the gay thing like oh is he gay is he not gay is it necessary? I don't care if they really want to do it then fine just don't let it get in the way of You know the characters function in the movie Right, and I didn't tell her I'm gay. No, and he he shook tracks the nanobots and everything That's that's the importance of this character if they want to make him gay or whatever then Fine, I don't really have an issue with it I asked Lerit as well when I watched the movie with her You know, see you see she was fine, but it's he actually said like yeah, wasn't he already in the previous ones Like not that I necessarily know of I mean it wasn't really confirmed in Skyfall or sector But she already bought like yeah, I thought she thought it was revealed in the briefest ones already It wasn't I think but I guess I mean it was well his introduction is matter of sexual in his Yeah, in Skyfall when his introduction comes it almost appears like oh bond might think that this guy's trying to pick him up Like when he sits on the bench in the museum like oh look at this guy Oh, oh this guy's gonna like you know come on to me or something, but like I never look at that scene in that way I never it's reaching it's reaching. Yeah. Yeah, so put overall any other Things are about Q that you know they got his cats in this on on the screen all right a cat's He's listening to his music like I He's like the the one character out of the scooby gang that I don't mind seeing in the field But Q right I agree even going way back to Desmond Llewellyn like seeing him like pop up in Thunderball and the Bahamas And oh, I didn't even have any like moments noticed to come out here. Double is seven. Yeah When they start like incorporating like oh now money pennies like you know In the in the fray and em is in the fray Yeah, like I can understand like you like you know being on the on the plane like talking to talking bond through the The thing and everything. Yeah, that that reminded me a bit of what is doing with the Mission Impossible movies the latest ones He's kind of like the the bond version of Benji if you remember him. Yeah, the text guy Benji Simon Pegg Simon Pegg. Yep. I'm in Pegg. Yeah Yeah, he's kind of that type of character, you know, he's also like the comic relief smart guy that supports crews through the field Yeah, very similar. That's that's his function in the movies to me and as long as he can fulfill those functions but I'm Fine and I think wish you all like has been doing very well in that part. I Agree and It's another positive one really that the supporting characters actually they're doing a good job with it Which by the way one last thing about Q. Did you remember in our forecasting series? We were Speculating about the glass of his front door that it was the same glass Oh, yeah, that's a thing with a mask because it's like a similar Yeah, how long were we on that? It's just that it wasn't even happens to have the same glasses as a Madeline's house That that's um, that's a great example of reading too much into something. It's us Yeah, we're examining this stuff. Yeah, we're like, holy shit. So Q is in the house that's Saffit No, we were completely a similar glass Yep, but um another one is is M returning Again Ray finds You know he He's actually story-wise kind of responsible for bonds demise in a way Co-responsible it's kind of dark when you think about it when you know that M's behind this whole hercules program thing with With the nanobots this this bio weapon Yeah, I don't know what did you what did you think of M? I Wish like I've said it to you. I sound like a broken record. Why can't we get an M? We just he's they're good at the job. He or she they're good at their job They're just handing out the missions. They don't they say do this do this This is your objective double a seven go off and then like show up like you know, maybe midway through the movie And at the end after it's all done They have to incorporate M Into the big story Like Bernard Lee like he never went through like in all this Yeah, like with Q M has a function in the story like the traditional M They would just give the exposition hand hand the mission to bond and that's it. Let bond go on his way What was the last one? It was um The he has to battle see and the double O program being disbanded and I had to give him something to do like, you know all bond is on the Out in the uh Yeah, but I I do think They did it better this time around With the whole scooby gang because they weren't as involved Yeah In such a forced way like they weren't inspector like that. I agree. Yeah Yeah, you know, it's not like M is battling like another one to prove like that the double O Section is in fact relevant and all that stuff, you know, we at least that's buried and we got we got that done They they they limited the scooby gang to mainly the office. That's where they should be They didn't have to like start incorporating like they're driving down going to safe houses and driving down alleys and All this stuff they limited them That's that's another thing the the office scene When as soon as bond actually gets in the office that was another fun new Part of writing like bond is like did this desk become smaller, you know, and then he's kind of Yeah, going at that and because he really doesn't care. He's like, well, you know, they don't need me And they I'm not in the service anymore, but now I'm here and he's kind of pissed about and it's like and then also one up in him about the You you man your touristy today That's what he also says to and when when he grabs another drink and then they go at each other It's fun. It's new and then as soon as he walks out It's like yeah, the desk is definitely the same, you know something like that. It's definitely the same desk. It's I don't know. I like this this new not necessarily new but this fresher form of chemistry between them. It's I mean I thought it seemed like they He established some respect for Mallory It's skyfall and then since then I haven't seen too much Like inspector. He says you have no you had no authority to go in Mexico and like he's not telling Mallory M Like why exactly he's he was in Mexico because of Judy Dench's message and everything and this one he comes back He kind of insults him about his His desk and everything I Would just like to see like an M Come back. It's I know it's it's Maybe I'm old-fashioned Just see an M like mission bro either boss be the boss and You know like when when they had to they would put bond in his place like in Goldfinger remember like that great scene He puts bond in his place and like bond kind of like backs off a little okay, okay? Yeah, I'm I hope in the next incarnation of the series We go back to like And I know we see why they're doing it because they cast Judy Dench in as M Yeah, they got they got Ray finds his M and these people are like big names they They're too too big to waste and just the traditional little supporting part I guess and they have to give them more to do And what they're giving a lot of the them to do in a lot of these films I don't think it's all that interesting They could be spending the time more wisely on other aspects of the movie or other other Other elements like spend more time on staff and like make let us try to figure out what the heck is going on with that guy rather than spending more time on M and I Know I didn't have any intention of this being a Weapon of mass destruction and then also with the he's responsible like you said He's responsible for Bond's death. He's responsible for this hair, please and Responsible for a lot of the crap in this movie And it's kind of dark and there's no repercussions on him. I guess he just goes back and you know Yeah, he raises a drink the bond in the end. Yeah, which is by the way I did like the that ending with with the scooby gang and I shall not waste my days trying to prolong them Even though in that that scene of here's to James Bond Yeah, and I was watching it and I'm thinking like shouldn't like M be in like the cage that Blofeld was in there now Shouldn't he be like yeah responsible for some of this stuff? Yeah Yeah, it's funny seeing like Ray finds his M because I remember back Back in the day like when he was like one of the rumored candidates to be bond to play Yeah You know and because he's he's obviously You know Harry Potter's biggest enemy and Lord for you would think he would make a terrific villain as well Like maybe he could have been a great Blofeld And yeah, that's always something that was on my mind, you know In a Schindler's list. He's chilling. He is just terrifying in that movie. Yeah He's also gonna star as the the lead leading man in the the new Kingsman prequel Which I think is coming out around this time of the year pretty much. Oh, yeah, that's right You're good. Yeah, you're gonna be online for that, right? Yeah, no definitely want to check that one out Did you see the trailer for Operation mincemeat? No, not yet It comes out in January Colin Firth is in this and it's like about the plan of the allies to Spread this misinformation to the Germans about like the the invasion in in the movie Fleming shows up because he was part of the operation and like you'll see it in the trailer Like he they say, what are you doing Fleming says? I'm writing a spy novel But it looked really reference It looked it looked good. I was like, oh, yeah, I'd like to see this so That leaves one last character, I think has a supporting character which is money penny Not much of saving the best for last in this one But I because because he didn't get that much to do other than being featured in Q's apartment and being there a Little reference to with her and LaShawna like oh, I get why you shot him has to try but I Did I do like Naomi Harris and and you asked me the question just now about who my favorite Felix would be Yeah, I do feel and this might be more controversial than than with Felix But I do feel Naomi Harris might be my favorite money penny as well Mm-hmm, and and I know like the lowest Maxwell is kind of like the holy drill of money pennies He's the one that did it 14 times But ever since Skyfall, I liked her even though we've only seen her in free bond movies She stands out a lot more than what cement the bond got to do with her or Carol bliss I think yeah from the Dalton once so yeah, I don't know it's She's and she's by far the hottest money penny. I mean there's that she's beautiful. Yeah She looked good. She was nice She didn't get as much screen time as Well, obviously in Skyfall like she had like she was a Pell bond on like the whole thing and the casino and stuff. Yeah, Skyfall my my my whole thing was I Completely was under the impression. See was just the bond girl and I still don't know to this day how I managed to keep that Unspoiled to the actual ending that see was money penny. Yeah, I did not know that until the cinema viewing And when that happened in Skyfall, were you like legitimately surprised and I was I was which Which in retrospect is so weird because I ever because I see like it was spoiled to everyone Like, you know how it was spoiled to everyone that Overhouse or was blow felt and that was no surprise But this one. Yeah, I don't know back in Skyfall that was I'm still happy that it was a surprise to me When I first saw that it is kind of funny like thinking back like how the big secret of Skyfall well, I mean we had M's death too, I guess but yeah, we had M's death and oh She's missed money penny and that you compare that to like all the secrets in no time to die. Yeah, no, that's nothing Yeah, I mean all the characters dying this one Pretty much if you have a penis you're dead in this Yeah, so like money penny though that was one thing like The banter between her like money penny and bond is always like, you know the thing that We we want to see and it seemed like now this time they had known me Yeah, she kind of took that over. Yeah, she she took that from like money penny So I don't really remember anything any big lines memorable lines or not no real because they could have Returned some of the flirting that a to be more traditional to the older movies and be because there was chemistry Between them, you know, even in the previous one where where she happens to have like a man over at night And then and bonds like who's who's that boy? Yeah, it's like yeah, I have a life too at this time of night You know, that's that was fun fun little ban for that wasn't there was none of that So I mean it that's it's a tiny complaint. It's not it wasn't really on my mind either It's just something that comes up to me now that we're talking about it But you're right. No, me kind of took that. Yeah that banter in a non-sexual way It's a it's okay like money penny doesn't have to be a Major presence in every movie if she's if she they didn't have to like If they don't have a spot for her then let her do her little traditional scene in the office and then be done with it yeah, and Naomi Harris like she's like the ambassador to like the bond series now like I see her at like all the events and like Yeah, promoting it on social media Promoted the the Lego DB5 that I have in the living room. I think it was her that promoted that stuff Yeah, yeah So they're lucky they they have her Yeah, yeah, and this raises the final question to end this video with do you think With the new bomb movies coming up. They are going to reuse the scooby-gan or are they gonna recast all of them? Yeah, that is the question if I had to bet I would say That they would bring them back that they I think like they they have a nice supporting cast and I don't think they're going to be too anxious to lose them. Is it gonna confuse Mainstream audiences. Oh, yeah Yeah, because they're gonna have like bond 26 is gonna come out and I already hear it like people like well, they can't do James Bond movies anymore. He died. I don't understand like how People aren't savvy enough To not understand. It's just a reboot. Like I would figure after Like these these last 20 years of like Marvel movies people would understand. It's oh, you just hit the reset button And and that's the thing that's the reaction. I've been getting as well. Like it's like I'm most I'm so curious How are they gonna continue now? What is it? Are they gonna do know me as 007 now? I'm like, come on It's this has been rebooted What I mean, yeah, like they've had new actors step into this thing for the last 60 years So like I don't understand like how people are so confused by this like that I think they really think that like, you know, they're gonna. Oh, the only way they could do it is like, you know, Daniel Craig Just kind of crawls out of the rubble and then like maybe he survived. No, no It's just gonna be a complete new thing. Yeah, and then but this is a casual audience drive. Yeah I Yeah, at least the most barn fans now, but yeah, I am surprised about how much I see of that It's just yeah, it's it's always surprising me like when I read the comments and stuff and then like with with Q and Money penny and M like all those actors returning. I think it's just gonna add to more of the confusion to like, you know People which is why I think they are gonna recast the whole thing I think I do feel like now in Naomi Harris and Ben Wishaw and Ray finds they all would want to return if they got the chance But they might just be the the Scooby gang of the Craig movies. I mean, I mean, we both don't have a Future sighted to know but yeah, I feel they they might just go with a complete clean slate And I know they they did it with Judy dense where they got her from Boston lifted her into the read brought her over Yeah, and and they made her a different M than the M that she was in Brosnan's movies because he was That's a whole different conversation But she was an M that was actually around before the Cold War and she's been in a seasoned M in the Craig movies Whereas in in Brosnan, obviously she came after the Cold War. I think she had a different name as well like one of them is Emma Mansfield and the other one This is another you could look it up, but there's she plays two separate M's the Judy dense. Yeah Yeah, but but here, you know, we this is something we're gonna look back in 2040 when 226 comes out, but yeah, but by the time the next one comes out, we're gonna see who's right, but I feel I Would want to see them return they were all especially the the main free like money penny and M and and Q I Would want to see them return, but I think they're just gonna go with a new Felix a new money penny a new M Just a whole new it's a way to see yeah a whole new cast for the new bond Yeah, it really depends. That's the thing. It really depends on what direction they're gonna go in next It's hard to tell but I mean it would be kind of Strange if they decide. Oh, well, we really like Ben wish I was Q. We're gonna stick with him But we're gonna recast all the other parts Right, like you have like one holdover. It's a package deal. Yeah They can't break it up No, it's either you bring all of them back or none of them It's not like Judy then's where you could just bring her I feel maybe with Ray finds you could just do just him But yeah, I don't know. I feel like I feel like they're probably gonna recast the whole the whole shebang Which is a shame too because they were they were good, but who knows I mean Who knows we yeah, we don't know where like Barbara's head is anymore. No We'll have to wait and see it's gonna be interesting to see like what if this was the last that we're gonna see of those Characters by those actors. Yeah Well, we'll talk about that with bond 26 whenever that is