 One of the biggest factors that will contribute to how fast you build muscle, how quickly you respond to exercise and diet, how strong you can get, how fast you can run, how high you can jump. Pretty much everything physical is your genetics. Your genetics play a huge role in how quickly you respond to exercise. All right, here's the good news. It doesn't matter. You're stuck with your genetics. So stop worrying about it. In fact, stop comparing yourself to other people. There's lots of factors that contribute to your performance and how you look. One of them being something you simply can't control your genetics. So let's stop talking about genetics and let's start worrying about the things we can't control. It's much more empowering and honestly it's the only way to succeed long-term with this. Yeah, I had a realization with this one. Recently? Yeah, another one. What was the limitation? Well, so my wife, if she works out twice, okay, she looks like she's been working out for six months. Two workouts. Like she didn't work out for a little while. She went to visit her family, took some time off, couldn't get into rhythm, comes back and I swore to God yesterday she's wearing like a tight, like kind of like skirt type thing. I'm like, damn, what the hell? I'm like, you look really different. Like, what did you do? Like, what's going on? She's like, oh, I worked out Monday and Wednesday. Okay. She's got really crazy in it. No, my younger kids. Sounds like the opposite of what I've heard a lot of people complain. It's usually, well, I know for me too. It's like my wife will complain that I can get lean like pretty quickly. Oh, yeah. No, she's got she's got like these like like kind of like bodybuilder type genetics. It was cool because my younger kids have it, but I don't respond like that at all. So it's, I see that and I'm like, man, it would take me, I mean, I respond faster because I've been training for so long, but I, I'm like, I tease her. I'm like, if I had your genetics, man, you have no idea. I don't know if I agree with that with you. I don't know if I don't know. Well, first of all, in eight years that we've been together, I haven't seen you take a long enough break to actually be able to measure this. That's right. That's exactly why. So I don't know if I don't know if I believe that because I used to think that about myself and I remember Katrina getting frustrated. I'd be like, so not fair. You just, you just switch it and like you change so fast. So, but what I do know about my genetics that and it's, so it's a double-edged sword. I definitely feel like I can switch the diet around. I could start training. You know, all the levers. Yeah, I can turn the, I can turn it on real quick. And I think that's more now than it was my like earlier years. I don't think I had that ability, say 15 plus years ago, but I do believe I have that now. But the other side of that is too, man, I lay off like one weekend, it feels like I lose a lot. So I swing back and forth quite a bit. So yeah, okay, I feel like I could turn it up and change it really quick. The amount of work and effort that it requires me to be able to do what I do, look how I look, whatever is a lot and a very consistent, extremely consistent, probably to a fault. And I've worked, look, we've all been in the space long enough to where I don't think I have terrible genetics. I'm probably somewhere in the middle. I would say if I had to guess, I just have been doing this a long time, but we've all worked with people on the higher end. And it's another, it's just another animal. It's like a, it's like someone who's really tall. That's rare. Like how often do you see people over six foot five, right? Are there other tests that they have to measure that now? Cause I'd love to get that done just to remember when, remember when I actually used to talk about that a lot in the podcast early on and people get so fucking pissed off. Yeah, I used to, you were a pro. Yeah. And so I was like, the peak of my training and dieting would be like, oh, you have, you have a couple of things working really well for you, which is you have really wide shoulders and small waist and you have long muscle bellies. So those are two good things working for you. Right. But then like the muscle building or stuff like you're not like, no, I have a tiny skeletal system, which is not advantageous for plucking on a lot of muscle. I'm not big boned at all. And if you're not big boned, you don't tend, it's harder to, I think to put on muscle, generally speaking. And the opposite is true. When you are big boned, it may be harder for you to feel like you can lose body fat. But the benefit is you tend to pack on muscle. Yeah. See, my wife has really crazy, first off, she builds muscles super easy. And then she has long muscle bellies, but then she hasn't combined with small joints, which is rare. Usually you'll see really long muscle bellies and big joints. She's got small ankle, small wrist. So it gives her this look and she just responds very quickly. And I, you know, I haven't, you're right, I haven't given myself long enough time off. I know this. My brother is 10 levels higher than me with the genetics. My brother who works out here and there, he's not a fitness fanatic, it's not his field, right? He does finance and he's really good at that. He'll come in here and he'll rep, you know, 285, 315 just on accident. Yeah, so I mean, I know I can see this, but my whole point with it isn't a complaint. My point with this is you can't control this. Yes, right. So forget about it. Like this whole like, people focus so heavily. Not only that Sal, but I actually do, I do think that in my point of bringing that up too was again, it's also not to complain or say, oh, it was so tough for me. I think for every disadvantage, you have an advantage. That's my point of bringing it up. That's an empowering way of thinking that you put more work into it. Yeah, yeah. So at least what I value this is my experience with coaching and training clients for years is that, you know, the client is like, oh my God, it's so hard to lose body fat, like letting them like reframing and go like, yeah, but we could pack on muscle with you. And which means it's gonna speed up metabolism easier than the skinny kid who can't put on any muscle and the skinny kid put on muscle. The positive thing is, bro, it's easy for you to get shredded. So it's like, I feel like for every, you know, person that thinks they're genetically disadvantaged, they also have an advantage. Yeah, well, the truth is most people are in the middle 99% of everybody's in the middle. So most people are not terrible. And that too, right? Generally speaking, all of us are pretty much somewhere in this middle spectrum. Most of us are not these crazy outliers on either end. And it within that spectrum, wherever you fall, whether it's farther left or farther, farther right, that if you're farther right, some of the you have some advantages that the people in the far left don't have and vice versa. But there's also mindset. I'll ask Justin this question because I guarantee you he's experienced this coaching high school kids and obviously you played sports, you know this. Some of the laziest people are the most gifted. Yeah, yeah, hands down. Why? Why is that? Why are they so why are gifted people lazy? Yeah, again, this is a tribute to the work. Yeah, if you can just roll out of bed and you can perform at a very high level and like people can't really touch, you know, what you're doing out there in the field very easily, like it's the motivation isn't there unless they're thinking if their vision is bigger than that, right? If they're trying to get into the pros and they understand like how much work they got to do, which, you know, those are the ones that become the great ones is the ones that they combine both elements together of the work and the talent. But when you're younger and you just have all this natural talent, it's just you cut through everybody like butter. It's too easy. Yeah, there was this one sales guy who worked for 24. I never worked with him, but I worked out with him a couple of Bobby. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You guys know what I'm talking about. Yeah, Persian guy. Yeah. Yeah. Just like crazy strength and muscle gene. Crazy. Any guy worked out every once in a while and I'll never forget he came to work out and I was working out kind of same time and at the time this was right after him and I when I when I was an assistant manager at 24, I was like the top sales guy and he was always he was the guy that if anybody could challenge me, it was him. He's very, very talented. So we knew of each other. It was one of those like friendly competitive things. So we saw each other. It was kind of like that. Well, this is what it turned into in the workout, right? So he comes to work out in my gym. Like, oh, yeah, that's that guy does really well, whatever. And he's just kind of broad, you know, big, you know, bigger guy or whatever. And we're talking is like, Oh, man, I really got to get back into it. I haven't worked out for a while and blah, blah, blah. And he slaps four and a half plates on the bar and squats. Yeah. Like 450 pounds and he squats and it looks easy. Looks like I squat 135. And I looked at it like, what? You don't look out. It's been a while or whatever. Like, what's your math? Like, what have you done? Is that why don't really ever try to like hit my max? I've done 600. And I was like, okay, whatever, dude, like, you know, but yeah, I think there's benefits and detriments. But I think the key is acceptance of the fact that there are things you can't change. And then just focus on the stuff you can because one of the worst things you do in fitness actually in life in general, to compare yourself to other people, first off, you don't know what their gifts are, but you also don't know the context of their life. You don't know other aspects of their life. It's not fair to you. And you may be comparing yourself to one aspect, but you may not even want to trade your life with them anyway. So it's just weird. It's a self-defeating thing. Yeah, it just reminds me of when I was growing up. My dad's six, seven, he's huge, right? And it's, and I idolize him. And I'm like this little kid that's like, I know I'm not going to be that big. And I keep growing up and I'm like, I get to six foot and I'm just still like, I'm not, I'm not going to be that big. And it was frustrating to me, but what I can control is how strong I am. And so that was like something I just started to figure out. I'm like, well, okay, if you're going to wrestle and smother me, like I have to get stronger. And so it like promoted me to like go in the strength direction. So one day I flip him over and I'm stronger than him, right? And it's just like, you got to look at it differently. You have a different perspective about it. Whatever is your weakness, like you can find a strength in a different direction. This idea that we're always pointing out who had things easier or pointing out privilege all the time. It's like, I don't know why we assume that things coming easy to you is a better way for life to work out. And in all aspects, I don't care if that's for, you know, education. I don't care if that's for work and being, you know, introduced to the right people to get a good job. I don't care if that's genetics around of, you know, the build a physique. This idea that it coming easier for some people and then being privileged that that is that leads to a more fulfilling, better life is so ironic to me. Yeah, it's crazy because a lot of what we talk about all the time about the journey is everything, right? Well, if the journey is everything and you have an easy ass path, like how fucking fun is that journey? Like it's not, you're not overcoming, you're not having to figure things out. It's all easy for you. It's so funny how we sit on the other side and we like idolize or we admire or we envy these people that are in a better place of privilege when it's like, no, like, you know, the sweet sauce is being disadvantaged, figuring it out, overcoming it and being successful. Fucking out, tell you that person, that person always has a way more fulfilling life than the person that was that got to start ahead of everything. It's also that it's also this is part of human behavior and it's important to become aware of. Like my dad talks about all the time how he grew up. My dad grew up very poor, you know, just, it was six kids, cement house, you know, one room at one point, you know, it's just poor. He was very poor growing up and he always says how happy he was. And I said, man, I said, you tell me about how you bought shoes that were too big because your mom needed them to fit you for a long time and then when they didn't fit, she cut the toes off, they became sandals until that didn't fit and you bought new shoes. Like you tell me these stories and you talk about how happy you were. And he goes, we didn't know. We were poor. I'm like, what? And he goes, everybody else was like that. We didn't compare ourselves to other people because this is how everybody was. And boy does that point to human behavior. It's like we can't be happy if we know or perceive or think somebody else has more than we do. It's so crazy to me. It's something to become aware of because it's always going to be there. I don't care what you have and how much you accomplish. If you have that mindset you're always focusing on what everybody else has and you don't. You're never going to be happy. It's always going to feel that way and it's terrible. It's something to be, like I said, to be aware of. Yeah, no. I think fitness is the same thing too. And I, you know, I do. I attribute the challenge I had as a teenager, early 20s of trying to figure it out to the mastery that I feel like I found in my late 30s. It totally molded you into who you were. Yeah. You're one of the most resilient people I know. And I guarantee that's why. And I think that, like, okay, so yeah, to the outside person or like my wife who's only known me for 12, 13 years. She goes, oh my god, you have so easy. But yeah, she wasn't with me 15 years before that. When I was, you know, banging my head against the wall trying to figure this out and frustrated and struggling and picking myself back up. It's like, so, I mean, you never know. And you never know that where, like, people tend to judge right away. They see something like, oh, that person, oh, they're so lucky. And it's like, oh, you have no idea. You don't. How they got there. And, you know, so to compare yourself to other people is, is such a, is, is stupid in any aspect. You've finances or everything. It's detrimental. All right. Today's program giveaway is MAPS anabolic advance. And you can win it for free. Here's what you do. Leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we drop it. Subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. And then if you win, we'll let you know in that comments section. It's also on sale, by the way, there's a final hours for the 50% off sale for MAPS anabolic advance. So if you're interested, click on the link at the top of the description below. All right. Back to the show. Justin, I want to back up a little bit. You talked about when you were able to finally flip your dad over. Hold on. Yeah. So I was 16. Do you remember? You got him at 16, huh? Now, do you remember? That's pretty good. Because I remember the first time I beat my dad at wrestling. And I remember the feeling I had. I wonder if yours was similar. Like, what did you, how did you feel from it? Were you that young? You weren't that young, were you? I beat my dad. I submitted. We used to do, you know, we'd try and wrestle and who could submit each other. And I did it. I was, I want to say 18. So I was older. Damn. My dad wasn't afraid of me. My stepdad wasn't afraid of me until my like late 20s. I mean, yeah, I was, I was just like an animal like getting after it. Like, uh, and yeah, to to your, your question, like I, I was like so happy immediately and then immediately right after that was like depressed. Isn't that weird? I just kind of walked off like it was, yeah, it was totally it was a surreal experience because it was like, that was like my pinnacle. The pinnacle goal was like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, you know, reverse this, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take him and like, and flip this off. So, uh, he can't do this to me anymore. And like, really, it was just like, I don't know, it's really hard to articulate. It was like, it was one of those things where you're just like, you work so hard. You don't think it's ever an achievable goal, I guess that's, that's how it felt. I was like, I didn't think I'd ever be able to do it. Then I did it. And then it just kind of, and then he was weird about it, and I was weird about it. We kind of walked away. And then we're just like, okay, I'm not gonna do it. My dad's like, I'm not gonna do that again. I'm like, okay. Yeah. I, same feeling. I got, my dad and I, we used to wrestle. He was impossible. He's just, you know, he's just so strong and technical or whatever. And I caught him. I caught him with a leg lock. And I, he tapped. And I remember at first being like, yeah, I finally got him. And then being like, my hero. Like I just, I just beat my hero. And then it was weird afterwards. Although he, he was kind of like, and I think it's a moment as a father. Was he proud? Yeah, because it's, it was weird, but he was proud. Yeah. He was proud. But it was also kind of weird because I think at some point as a father. I don't think you wanted that early as a father. No. Well, it's a realization. I mean, don't you, I mean, I'm, so that inspires me as a dad. Like when I hear those stories and I think about that stuff. Like, and I don't, you guys are, we're talking about physical capabilities, I think in all aspects, right? Yeah, anything. Like intelligence, like success. Yeah, everything. Like I want, I want my son to have that bar where he's just like his most of his life. He's trying to catch up to dad, right? And I look forward to that day. He overcomes it. I hope it's not at 16. If you do a good job. I mean, you're right. I guess, I guess you're right. So if I do a really good job and he does really catch all those things by 16. I have kids going to be killed. You had a younger brother, older brother who had a lot of friends that were way bigger than me too. So it was like, I was always the underdog, the small guy that was like fighting everybody like as much as I could. So it was like, I think that's probably why it accelerated a little bit. Yeah, I had a kind of a moment like that early on with my oldest, I think it was 14. And no, maybe even younger, 13. And he's a, he's a wizard at math and that's, I'm terrible. Oh, on the intelligence level. Yeah. He just came back. He just had homework and I said, Oh, let me see what you're doing. I looked at it and I'm like, I don't know how to do this. I'm like, my days are helping you with homework or over already. So it's kind of like that. No, it is like that because that's just a different another area. And he is a super smart kid. And that's exactly what you talk about. Now you have with him, like he goes back and forth. I can only imagine your guys's battles. Oh, the debates. Yeah. The arguing. I'm just wiser. So he argues the way I did when I was his age. So it's like looking in a mirror. And I'm like, okay, I know where you're coming. You're like, I used to sound like this. Totally. Totally. I'm getting a bit of that. Yeah. Ethan's starting to try and challenge my ideas quite a bit. Oh, really? Your table. Oh, I didn't know that Ethan's getting that little bit. Yeah. Yeah. He's been, he's been really chiming in and trying to like edge his ideas, you know, against mine. And so it's good. Like we get into and Courtney like gets a little awkward, you know, like it starts to kind of get up and walk out and it's like, oh, it's getting tense. And then I'm like, it's not tense. We're just like, we're working this out. You know, we're having a nice little discussion about some of these things. I love it. I love debate and that kind of stuff. It's got to be very challenging as a father to not, uh, when those moments come to not default to like what I think a lot of dads or parents do, which is like, oh, I told you because I'm your dad. Well, yeah. You know, and to do that. Because you know, there's stuff, there's stuff that you, that you know that you're like it's smothering over power him with with facts or whatever and kind of, but you know, I want to hear his thought process. Yes. So, so this is, so Jessica is really good at this. She's like, we don't, don't let the kids know your opinions so strongly or so often. Let them develop their own. And then when they have their opinions, however wrong or whatever you think. Question them. Just question them. Ask questions. And this happened the night. We're sitting there watching the, uh, the first Republican primary debate and my daughter was sitting on the couch and she's texting with her friends and but she's also kind of hearing, right. And so as it's going on, I'm commenting and I'm saying things and I feel, you know, Jessica hit me under the blanket. I'm like, oh, you're right. Because I don't want, I want my kids to come with their own opinions. That's right. Then for me to ask and then for us to discuss, because what could happen is either a, they adopt your ideas without ever really pulling your own fault against it. Or if they rebel, they know what to push up again. That's right. Which is, you know, you probably even worse. I mean, that's like, that's so hard. That's leadership 101 right there. Yeah. That's, that's leadership 101. That's you learning to ask the right questions, pull them in the direction that you want to and not push them in that direction because you do risk that by forcing or pushing your ideology on your kid of them. You know what's hard about this? Rebellion. By the way, and this is just, this was a learning lesson for me. I think you do get it with this, Justin. You got older kids is it's a long game. So why it's so challenging is that you get immediate results if you do it old school style. No, this is whatever. But they succumb, they submit, you win, right? But the long game, the dividends pay back way more. I'm seeing this right now with my two and a half year old. So like when he does something that's supposed or whatever, I default to old school, like don't do that. If you do, I'm gonna put you over here, whatever. And it gets, it may get some immediate results right away. Sometimes usually it doesn't. They push back real hard, whatever, but it may, right? But the other approach is slower. It's more conversational. It's more, um, what do they call it? There's a term for it. It's a type of parenting. But initially, you're like, just, you know, just tell them to stop doing that and pull them away. It's a longer play. But now I'm seeing it come out firsthand. Now my two and a half year old, he was his sister, his older sister, who's 13, right? They're sitting on the couch and she's playing with them. And then a couple of times she was like watching TV. So he's kicking her. Okay. And he kicks her. She's like, oh, and, you know, Jessica goes, is there, are you trying to get your sister's attention rather than don't kick your sister? Are you trying to get his attention, her attention? And he goes, yeah, I want her attention. And she goes, is there a different way you can do that? And he goes, uh, you know, to my daughter, he goes, can I please have some of your attention right now? We're two and a half year old. And that was a stop kicking her. But it's been a long process. There's been a lot of moments where he kicks and then we got to go through this whole process. And I just want to be like, you're not doing that stop, you know, type of deal. So it's a long game. The whole like, ask questions, let them forward because you want to jump on over them and be like, that's a stupid opinion, buddy. You shouldn't say, I mean, this just goes back to, I think one of the biggest differences of, you know, 25 year old you versus 40, you know, 40 year old you is that your patient, your wiser, your slower to react like that. Like that's, I think that's one of the great, it's not to say that you can't be a 25 year old father and be a great father. I just think that at that age, you're still, there's still such a, I mean, especially for men, right? We're still maturing so much and still figuring things out about ourselves. That mean, now you have to figure things out about yourself and also figure out what's the best way to handle this kid. And I think a lot of times that gets muddy, especially if you add in stress and all the other things like that. And so the power of, of being older and wiser mature is that you have this ability to, to feel those moments like that. I mean, the awareness that you even have to know that, oh, this, there is a better approach to that. Like imagine you being 25 in that situation. Oh, yeah. You probably just would end up arguing with your wife and be like, no, I don't. And sometimes I still do because it's, you don't see the immediate result. And, and I grew up in a particular way and, you know, whatever. Yeah. Then you add in that element too, like the way we are all raised, right? We all have different backgrounds. And so you know a way, the only way you know is the way you were raised. So this was a, this was a, this actually leads to a cool discussion is like, why was it a particular way for so long? And, and, you know, why now are there better ways? Part of it, I think this is my argument and, and I've debated back and forth with my wife and other people about this. But I think there may be something to it is I think back in the day, first off, you had a lot of kids. You have a lot of kids. Second off, you don't have time to take your time. I have lots of thoughts around. Yeah. The work, the work schedule and structure was pretty demanding. Yeah. You know, we have, the challenges today are different than 50 years ago. Yeah. I mean 100 years ago, especially definitely a hundred, definitely a hundred years even 50 years ago, the thing like, there was, I mean, even to like, really your kids being abducted or hurting themselves or like, the challenges as a parent are just a different challenge. We live in a easier, better time for our kids. And so learning to, and now like our challenge. Take advantage of it. Yeah. And now our challenge is teaching them. We monitor them from afar. How to communicate where a hundred years ago was like, how to survive. Yeah. How to live. How to not get killed. You have to trust your, your kids can do the right thing and just let them out, you know, and play and go find their friends and, and avoid traffic and avoid like people trying to kidnap them. Like trust that like whatever you told them was going to stick. Imagine being in the early 1900s and just knowing that there's a very good chance your kid could end up going to war. Yeah. At a very young age. I'm teaching that. I'm training that kid. I'm training that kid at five years old different than I'm training my five year old today. Dude, that's why we had just fables, right? We had all those scary, scary ass stories. Like Hansel and Gretel get eaten by some witch. And you know, and it made sense then. It made, it made more sense that it's just different. That's all it is. Well, yeah. Let me throw a curve while you're right. Think about all the time you spend with your kid. Right. All the dedicated time you do with teaching. Now imagine if you had seven. Like that alone even today. Yeah. With all of our luxuries. It makes it exponentially more challenging. Well, guess what? They had seven kids. My dad grew up with six kids. My grandfather, nine kids. They grew up with all these kids. Plus you cooked everything by hand. You cleaned clothes by hand. Wash dishes by hand. Dad was gone. And when he came home he could barely walk through the door because he just broke his body. Working. Mom's been breaking her body working all day long. The kids get out of the house because I need to be able to do these things otherwise we have no dinner. You don't have any clothes that are clean. I have to scrub the house. I have to do this and that. So the intensity was a lot different. All you're looking for is immediate effect. That's right. You don't have time to communicate to seven different kids that way and be patiently waiting for all of them to unfold. No, you're like, you're like, if you do this I'll throw my shoe at you. Meanwhile, two of them died because you were being so patient with the other two. It just doesn't work that way. No, it was a crazy time. And so you see that and it's like this way, you know, like, shit, I mean, these kids you used to hit them. Well, why do you hit them? How can you hit your kids? It's a really good discussion and interesting point to bring it up because a lot of times we tend to like shame our parents or our parents' parents for, oh, I can't. And like we act as if like we're so much better and it's like, oh, they did. What the fuck were they doing? And they were so wrong. It's like, I don't know necessarily if they were so wrong or so off. They were working with what they had. And the environment was completely different. It's just different. It's way different today. And I do think that that approach and is more important today than say maybe 100 years ago, 100 years ago and with seven kids, that's not what you're doing, dude. It's just this thing. You're not sitting down. No. Well, and it's true. And you're like, oh, great. I have this two-year-old who's so smart and self-aware, but then you let your other three kids die. You know what I'm saying? Because you're so busy communicating to your fucking one. You should have fucking slapped your kid for fucking touching the hot stove that he caught on fire because you were being so patient with the other two. Way to go, Dad. You're gonna say you're so good. I know. I know, correct. Different times. I know. I know. It makes me laugh. But today, we have a lot of advantages and we have the ability to learn and do this kind of stuff. I mean, you produce healthier, I guess, more self-aware children. But it's just a result. Hopefully. I hope we didn't produce just that. Well, now, whatever you have to equip them to actually be able to stick up for their own belief systems and be able to be immersed in this world where everybody's trying to indoctrinate them. Well, my biggest fear is that we're totally wrong and we think we're so right and we just make a bunch of fucking mushy-ass kids that can communicate so well to everybody where they're fucking weak as fuck and we get invaded and nobody can fight or nobody can do anything. Well, hey, here's a good example. Here's a good example. Okay. Here's it because the environment has changed radically, so things have to change. Here's a great example. When my dad grew up, you got in big trouble if you didn't finish your dinner. Like, you didn't eat your dinner. Yeah, I know. Like, your dad will hit you across the table. Okay. Or if you didn't eat it, guess what you're eating tomorrow or the next day or the next day. We don't know if we're going to have food. That's why. Don't be an asshole. That's why. Because if food is hard to come by and you're feeding your four-year-old and you know- That's why that made so much sense. Me, you're going to eat again. That's why that made so much sense. And they're like, I don't like it. I don't care if they'll like it. If you're old enough that you had parents that went through the Great Depression or something like that, I mean, I always tell that story. I heard Dave Ramsey tell about his dad. Like, imagine because my dad was a carpenter, my stepdad was a carpenter also. And to think like, oh my God, imagine why my stepdad pulling old nails out. To save them. To save them. To reuse them. That just seems so crazy. It's like pennies. You know what I'm saying? Why would you do that? But you grew up in the Great Depression. Like, you might have to. Well, bro, if food is hard to come by and your four-year-old is picky, you're like, I don't care. I'm forcing you to eat this food because you need it. You need the food. And we might not eat three days. You're going to be malnourished is what's going to happen. Nowadays, you have to teach your kids how to choose, how to have a good relationship with food. That's what gets them to survive. Now, what you need to teach your kids now is how to not become super unhealthy with all this crazy food that's around back then. It was like, you just got to eat what is in front of you. Well, it's so funny because the virtues were different too. That's the same. I get in this with my mom all the time because she's very thrifty. You know, and we'll go to like a bargain barn in thrift stores and still buy just junk. And I'm like, mom, this is trash. Can you just buy something that's actually packaged and new and give it to my kids? No, it's just trash. Bro, my mom. It's like, I found it. She's all excited. She thinks it's like a treasure hunt. I'm like, you're treasure hunting and people's trash. That's what this is. I went to my parents' house the other night. And remember my parents, they grew up in whatever certain way, but then eventually they worked hard, middle class, everything's fine, right? But I go to my parents' house the other day for dinner and I open her cupboard where the glasses are. And I see all these little glass, like look like little glasses, right? But they have like threading on the top or like a cap. They're Mason jars? Bro, there's like, there's like 10 of them. I'm like, mom, what are these? Reusing Mason jars? What are these glasses? It's like, oh, I buy these yogurts. And then, you know, you just, you wash them. Like they, we have little glasses now. Bro, we use. I'm like, why are you saving these glasses, mom? My family 100% alive, bro. If you got something like, even like, my stepdad used to love that, what is that, that pickled vegetables? You ever seen that before? Like they're like. Make a big jar? Carrots. Yeah, they're in a jar. Like those were glasses for us at her. You bought that. You ate the fucking shit that was inside of it. We wash it out. And now that's glass. My mom used. Old glassware is a good glassware. My mom used to wash disposable like forks and spoons and knives. She'd wash them. And until I finally shamed her enough. Oh, all of our, all of our plastic cups were like the super size McDonald's things. Yeah. Yeah. You buy an dollar 90 back there was a dollar probably for a super size guy. If you kept that plastic cup, you get a lot of uses out of that thing. Dude. I told you guys. You would wash them until the fucking decals faded. I told you guys, I told you guys a story about when I went to the grocery store my grandfather, when I was a kid, we're buying vegetables. We went to go buy vegetables, which already annoys him. Chips that. Yeah. He's already annoyed. He's buying vegetables because he grows his own, right? So he's already mad that he's buying something. Why don't we just eat the ones we have? Why don't we have to get these other ones? He's complaining the whole time. And he gets the vegetables and he pulls out. I don't know what are they called? They're not pliers or the kinds of like the pruning. Scissors, pruning scissors. Yeah, pruning scissors. He pulls it out of his pocket. Like, no, no. What are you doing? And he goes, I'm not paying for the stems. And he starts cutting the stems off the vegetables and leave him there while he puts the, in the back. Yeah. The way that. That weight is going to add up. I'm like, what did you say? Like 25 cents? Not even. You're going to hold back his five cents. He's like, we don't eat the stems. Why are we, why do I have to cut them off? Old tricks, you know? I know. Speaking of, speaking of genetics, I was laughing the other day because my two year old, my excuse me, my nine month old, she found her voice. And it looks like she takes after my side of the family. She just sits there and screams. Poor Jessica can't get a break. She can't do that. If she can't get a break. She can't. So because she doesn't like loud noise. My wife is a quiet. She likes quiet. She likes the house to be peaceful. And I grew up in chaos and loud. And nobody in my family knows how to talk without yelling. It's just the way we are. And I'm the loud, one of the loudest ones in my family. And of course I have two kids with her and both of them are loud. And I'm like, sorry, honey. My daughter's just sitting on the floor. Ah, ah, ah. And I'm looking at my wife. I'm sorry, honey. She's just like, this is all shell shock. Yeah. Just like, oh. I told her, why don't you wear it? I told her, I literally, this was serious. I said, why don't you wear like headphones? Like earmuffs, you know? She's like, because they bother my ear. I'm like, well, I don't know what to tell you about. Everybody's loud enough. Nothing we could do about it. Anyway. So Adam, I wanted to make a comment and just get back at you for something. So one long time ago, we did this great live event. And there's this unspoken agreement that when we show up, we all dress casual, you know, casual. And then you showed up and you looked sharp. Yeah. And we were so mad at you. He was all decked out. Yeah. Here I am. I'm Adam, you know, these three pieces. Adam and the guys. And then today I didn't get the memo or what. And you did today, bro. Slacking, son. Well, actually. We got our state and liberty shirts on. Hey, I'm going to get the guys over at state and liberty because they sent over a box of nice shirts that y'all are wearing right now. But your boy doesn't fit in the sizes they sent to me. So I'm a double XL in all of their shirts. So their shirts are so big. That's why. I mean, I wish I could wear that little smidium that you got on right now. Everybody would make fun of me even more. Like I'm trying too hard if I wore something like that. I like it painted on. I'm a 2X in their shirts. But I love their stuff. This is a dress. This is like a really nice kind of dress shirt. The material, I mean, obviously you can't see on the camera, but it's like almost feels silky. But everything's tapered because the problem that I have, you got definitely Justin and you have, if you work out your broad shoulders, small waist, you buy a dress shirt. If it fits your shoulders and arms, it looks like a dress on your waist. But everything is made. There's a parachute that comes down. Everything's made for athletic builds. So I go off the rack with the suit. Everything fits so nice. I mean, it's made for that, right? So that's what I love. That's what I loved about the company. I tell you what, one of the other things I love about these guys. So I, the audience knows I'm going to talk to like all of our partners and works out a lot of these deals and stuff. The deal maker. Yeah, that's gonna see if that sticks. It will. So, you know, I always tell them, I always recommend for them to do things like this. And it's only a few that ever do it. I don't know why, but and I'm so excited about what they are doing over there. So they're doing a giveaway. And like, I'm like, one of the best ways that you guys can get leads from the audience is to do great giveaways. Instead of us always just talking about the same stuff all the time is put together some cool giveaways. And so they're like, all right, that sounds awesome. What can we do? So we're doing a giveaway with them, which is, I think this is probably one of the best giveaways. Wait, is that real? Is that really the giveaway? Yeah, this is so. That's crazy. It's four days, three nights at our Park City place. State and Liberty is paying for it. So four days, three nights at Park City. In addition to that, a $2,000 gift card to go shopping there. Just to go on a little shopping spree. Bro, that's a fitted suit or as tons of shirts and slacks that you could fit. That's a hookup, right? And the house alone. You're talking about when you combine the price of the place at Park City and all that. That's like a $4,000, $5,000 giveaway. Yeah. So for people who don't know, we have a place in Park City that is. It's a prime rib every night. It's optimized for fitness and health individuals. So it's a nice place. There's a movie theater, the whole deal. There's a gym in the garage, sauna, cold dip. You can take advantage of red light therapy. The beds are optimized. Jacuzzi steam room. Jacuzzi steam room. It's literally like optimized for. By the way, the film help people. Movie theater and the arcade just got there. Oh. Yeah. So we got one of those like old school where you sit down. Table top ones. Table top ones. It's got like 50 of like the old school like galactic. I haven't even got a chance to go there and play. I go, I fly out next weekend. Yes. I used to play that at a few like the low. Pizza place, pizza place. And then there's a A&W root beer, like actual like burger joint. Yes. That had that. It was like a Pac-Man. It's a game in Frogger. Yes. I played that game. One of the great game. One of the feedbacks from the Utah property that we've gotten from people is they absolutely love. So we've also, when you get there and you arrive, aside from getting some cool mind pump goodies and stuff, there's also like a list of all the things that we love to do, restaurants, drinks, things like that. And people are starting to like do that and follow the list. And that's been some of the most positive feedback. And the idea of this place for the audience is like, I just want to keep making it better and better. So as the audience gives us feedback, oh, that'd be cool if it had this. Or if you guys told us about like that, it like as anything else that we've done in this business, I promise for it to evolve and improve. It's already a sick place. But I mean, I really want more and more people to give the feedback on what else it could have or what else can make it better. But right now it's pretty sick. Easter eggs of like your photo shoot. Well, yeah. From swings. No, no. Oh, yeah. Actually, that would be... Well, so, okay. Well, you just strategically placed those in parts of the house. So originally when we did this, right, this is giving the audience a little behind the scenes like conversations. So we had no idea. We hired a property management team to manage that. So we pay a company to help advertise it and help fill it. Because we didn't know what the power of the podcast or it's a location, how many people would actually go and book it out. Not knowing. So we did that partnership. We signed a deal for a year. Well, come to find out 98% of all bookings are through from the show. So because of that, we didn't like really hardcore, full-mind pump. Yeah, out for the house. But I think that you're going to see that for those that have already been there, that return. Like, we're going to continue to put more, maybe Easter eggs and cool, like, mind pump stuff in the house. Because it was more neutral, because we're like, this will be really weird if you don't know about the show and you book and you're like, who the fuck are these guys? A bunch of pictures. South sardines. A bunch of pictures of them. Pictures of themselves in the house and stuff like that. Like, this is weird. Like, who are these guys? Yeah, so we... Ducks, dark chocolate. Didn't know. But it's... I would say Justin's cheese, but... Yeah, it's... Oh, no. Why are you going to do that? Just a sore... Why are you going to do that? He's super sore about that. Can't eat cheese anymore. This episode is probably going to air before the Food Sensitive Theorist, right? Yes, it will. Yeah, it will. You'll find out why Justin ain't eaten the cheese anymore and why he's so sad at the moment. It's not even sad, I'm angry. Hey, are you... That's because you don't have any other feelings that you know how to express between angry and happy. Sad is just angry. Yeah, like... Turn it into that immediately. By the way, the... If you're interested in this contest, which is crazy, if you want to enter to get that four days, three nights, and the $2,000 gift card, we made a link. It's stateandliberty.com forward slash mine pump, and then it'll tell you kind of what you need to do there. So... Did you ever watch the Balco thing? I know Justin did. I watched a lot of it. So I was... I'm very familiar with the whole thing. That was when I was into that whole space. So I remember Victor Conti. I remember Snack Supplements, the Clear, which was what was called TM Something. There's their steroid that they made that was technically legal. I remember the whole deal. Mary Ann Jones, I remember that was crazy. Crazy. You know what's unfortunate? And I want to know if you felt... You guys feel the same way, too. You know, of course, like he... I mean, it drug his name through the mud, right? He's the guy who did Balco, and he ruined baseball, for some people will say. Like, I mean, people that just... He resurrected baseball, I'm sorry. 100%? That's so crazy. It's uncomfortable to say that, but it's true. Well, I mean, there's some people that get really upset about... I mean, here's the thing, too. Everybody was doing it. You know what I'm saying? That's another part that you don't really... Unless you understand or you're a part, have been around enough of these professional athletes. They've been doing it for a long time. He just found a better way to do it. And what sucks is that because of all the negative stuff that came with getting caught with all that, it actually, unfortunately, didn't highlight his brilliance as far as like a programmer. Somebody who... That was one of the things I was most fascinated with. Nutrition and nutrients. Like, bro, okay, I get it. You took some of the best athletes in the world and they won championships. Okay, so most people look at that and go like, oh, that's it. But when you take somebody who's already peaking and already like doing all the practice, doing all the stuff, and get them to break world records and get them to move. It's like the analogy you bring up about... Everybody thinks it's so easy to be a billionaire just because you started off with a million or 100 million. Like, no, it's not. No, it's harder. It's harder. It's... That person is... Taking a second off of a six-second quarter mile is so hard. That's right. Taking a second off of a 15-second quarter mile not that hard. That's right. Or taking a kid who's just like started training and improving their training. You could double my speed in the sprint very easily. Right, because there's no effort in that. But if you were... You've been... This is 20 years. If you're doing that, like getting an extra second is incredible. So what's unfortunate is the loss of how brilliant the program is. He didn't just put them on steroids. No. He did their diet. He did nutrient testing. He was testing signs of overtraining. Yes. Way ahead of the game. Here's what I didn't know. And I didn't know it because I'd assumed it. I didn't know he wasn't a doctor. For years and years, I thought Victor Conti was a doctor. He's not at all. He's just a smart dude. That's it. And another reason why... He just learned on the fly. Another reason why I think it's kind of crazy. You know why I thought he was a doctor? Because the old commercials for snack, ZMA. ZMA is Zinc Magnet. Because you wore a lab coat. That's the old school hustle, dude. Yeah. And you had the mustache. Did we do a video where we put you in a lab coat? Yeah. Did we do that? Like as a tongue-in-cheek? Yeah. It's an immediate authority grab. Yeah. If you have books behind you and you're wearing a lab coat. That's the Tai Lopez. He's got his Lamborghini in the garage with a bunch of books. Like who puts their books in the garage? Dude, that's the funniest thing I've ever seen. I don't know. I knew that about all comic books behind me, you know? But I geeked out on seeing how he... The way he programmed them for their breaking the record was just absolutely... It was so ahead of its time. Everything was programmed together. And that's what it takes to get someone who's that good a little bit better. It's just insane. And I feel like everybody now follows that protocol. But that was one... To me, of all the stuff in that documentary, that was what I was like that. They put the most attention on the steroid that he did. But the reality... I'm going to say something very controversial. Yeah. The reality is of all the things he did, that single factor probably... If you combine all the other factors and compare it against the steroids, probably play the smaller... Exactly my point. And you could have gave the same steroids to a thousand other coaches. By the way, they were all steroids. They were just on the different ones. That's what I mean. You could give that the same steroid stack that he was the secret clear stuff that he was giving to his people, to all these other professional coaches and trainers and doctors that would be prescribing to other professional athletes and they wouldn't see the same results. So there's... Here's an uncomfortable fact that people don't like. All the people that you see that perform at crazy ridiculous levels, if you took them all off steroids, they would still perform at crazy incredible levels. They still... You still wouldn't come close. They're genetic freak. Ronnie Coleman was Mr. Olympia for, I don't know, eight times. Okay. He was the craziest looking... Bodybuilders all look crazy, but Ronnie Coleman, even till now, you just look at him and be like, what the hell? He was top 10 Mr. Olympia natural. Yeah. Natural. So naturally, he got to a place that none of us in this room could ever get to with all the drugs in the world. We would never even come close and that's where he was natural. Then he finally took steroids and they became Mr. Olympia. It was, yeah. But just... Flexwheeler was the same way too. Flexwheeler's natural. Flexwheeler had one of the most amazing epic physiques you've ever seen in bodybuilding, natural for most of his career. It gets on steroids later on and then blows everybody out of the water. That is crazy. Oh, yeah. Speaking of sort of iconic characters, did you guys know that Andrew was telling me this earlier that Disney actually might be, I guess, I don't know what the term would be, but like releasing Mickey Mouse might be up basically for the public domain. What? Because... Actual Mickey Mouse? Yeah, because copyright, I guess, it only goes up to like 95 years and then becomes public domain. Oh, I didn't know that. And so Steamboat Willy was like the first video that they can't reapply. So Mickey Mouse had, you know, was part of. So that's the only one that's going to be basically owned still by... They have to have the first right to refusal, the first right to renew, right? That's gotta be, right, Doug? Well, I believe there's a time frame that you can have a copyright for. So Andrew was talking about it. It's the Steamboat Willy version. Which is the right part. That character is going into the public domain, apparently. Yeah, well, that's because it's the original one. Yes, exactly. And then the next one will be, what, five more years later, right? Well, yeah, it'll start working its way, I would think, yeah. Yeah, at some point, I suppose, that one will go into the public domain as well. Sure, just seems... But the question I have for you is, so is it, do they, can they not like renew that again? Or is it like now it's free? There might be a limitation. There might be a limitation on that. It seems ridiculous, though. If you created something like that, you should have, you know... That's like the whole company's identity. Well, that's okay. So I think there's two pieces here. One, I'd like that there's limitations on copyrights because that opens up the market and you don't want things to be indefinite. However, I do... Yes, you don't want that. You don't want a drug or a product to always be owned, but at some point, you want things to go generic to become way cheaper. Well, yeah, with drugs, for sure. Well, yeah, there's a difference between like drugs and formulating a formula versus a... That's somebody's creative idea. Right, I was gonna say... That's wrapped in their business. I was gonna say, I think this may be in a different category to where... Now, if they created it and they did nothing with it for nine or five years, I don't think they'd have a case. But the fact that they continued to run their business is still part of the brand. I bet you they're gonna be able to take it to a court and say, hey, look, this is still a big part of our brand. Yeah. In fact, this is the crux of our company. I would imagine, right? Then they probably would get me. That's what I would imagine. That's what I was like. I was like, man, you're losing Mickey Mouse. Like, that would be crazy. Yeah, so I wonder what like... And then what it would cost. Like, they like... It's probably a fucking money grab, right? It's probably a way like, well, you have to go based off of what the value of it now is. It's $10 trillion. Yeah, exactly. It's like, yeah, you could keep it. It's $10 trillion. Are you looking for some dugs? Can Disney renew the... Okay, yeah. What's it say? No, Disney cannot renew the copyright for Mickey Mouse. The copyright will expire by law in 2023. Disney cannot obtain a Mickey Mouse copyright extension. However, Disney owns trademarks for Mickey Mouse. So the trademark is just not copyright. I have the definition of the US copyright law. So US copyright laws grant the creator of content ownership for 95 years, which means famous works eventually enter the public domain. Legally, that means anyone can now copy and reproduce the 1928 version of Mickey Mouse without permission. Right, but there's also trademarks for Mickey Mouse, which means you're limited. Can't use the name. Yeah, so you're probably gonna see us come up on... All this T-Mop really porn out there. T-Shirts of... That would be crazy. What'd you say? What did you just say? The T-Mop really porn. I wanna look out for T-Mop really porn. That's all I'm saying. I hate to break this to you, but I probably already said it. So basically, that's all like the biggest thing that could happen right now is I can make a T-Shirt with Steamboat. I can make a T-Shirt with Steamboat Willie on it. I can't even say Mickey Mouse though, but I can just put him on a shirt and then sell the shirt. Can I just say something real quick? Is that... Wouldn't that be the coolest nickname to have if you were a dude? Like, oh, that's Steamboat Willie over there. Sounds pretty awesome, doesn't it? Where does it come from? What's the origin? Well, it's the cartoon. No, I... Yeah, but where did they get it from? I'm sure it's named after somebody or something. Oh, I think... Well, he was on a Steamboat first off. Well, that's... Thank you. Good job. Thanks, Doug. That's what we have here. I didn't catch up part of it. By the way, Doug is captain obvious. Well, hey, you're asking me, how else would I know? I mean, I'm familiar with the video, right? Him whistling, and he's on the Steamboat. But I'm sure it's... I don't know where the Willie part came from. It's probably named after... Yeah, it's probably named after a character. What? I just learned about something that was named after a character. I was surprised. I think I shared it with you guys. I don't know what it was. Yeah, well... Okay, so the title of the film may be a parody of Buster Keaton's film, Steamboat Bill Jr. Oh, there you go. I have no idea what that is. Okay. Interesting. That's cool. Old-time stuff. Old-time, yeah. I'll go ask my grandfather. So I guess it really... I mean, it makes for good news and conversation, but it really doesn't matter. It doesn't mean much. It's not... I mean, it's not... Come on, let's be honest. Can you buy a t-shirt now made in China with a picture of Mickey Mouse on it? Yeah, yeah, right. It just says Mickey Mouse or something like that. You know, I don't think you... I mean, maybe Doug's more into the copyright stuff for us. Trademark on the back end. I mean, if you're a company and you... There's got to be a number where it makes sense, right? Like, Budweiser, like, do you really care? Someone's made a few thousand dollars off of your branding? Like, I feel like that's... You don't... You don't... Depends. Yeah. I would say it depends. At most, you say to... Maybe you send a cease and assist to scare them. But you're not going to file... You're not going to go... You're not going to hire lawyers over a thing. Yeah, I don't see that hurting Disney. I don't either. Basically, yeah. I want to ask you guys, did you guys try yet? And they're going to make me mad if you say no. So, careful. Did you guys try the performance stack? The Organified Performance Stack? You mean just the pure and the... Pure plus the peak performance. No, I haven't done them together yet. I mean, I've done them like... Got to do them together, dude. I know, you said that. Oh, I know you said that. It's like drugs. I'm sorry. That's a terrible commercial. It's euphoric. It's crazy. You take it, the combination feels incredible. You... We would have never been on LVTV, dude. I know. Could you imagine? I know. It feels like drugs. We lose partners like on a weekly basis. Organified.com. It works that good. It's like drugs. No, stop it. No, you just... It's a wonderful combination. It is so energetic and euphoric. It's one of my favorite stacks that I've ever taken. So, I actually caught... So, Ethan grabbed the peak performance and he actually used that when I was gone and like told me later. He's like, Dad, I hope you don't mind, but I tried some of the peak. That's got caffeine in it. Yeah. Do you like it? He loved it. Of course. Yeah, he loved it. He was going off about... Again, I've been battling him about when he's hanging out with his friends with the G-Fuel and all this other nonsense that they're all drinking, whatever. Oh, are they all drinking that? Oh, my God, you kidding me? Yeah, all that stuff in the prime and all those caffeinated drinks that are out there. But I mean, we've had a lot of discussions about it. He's been really good about kind of navigating through all that, but he still occasionally will have some caffeine and... So, he was asking me all about it because at first, and this is again, Element T was another one that we were kind of like trying to discuss on when to take it and all that when he's doing a lot of activities outside and he's sweating a lot. So, he was asking me a lot of health questions around the peak performance and all that and stuff. What did he notice from it? So, he was on fire. I did all my homework? Yeah, he went to gymnastics after that. And he was like, Dad, I was so focused, I was going crazy. I'm like, calm down. My first thing is like, okay, you're way too young, you don't need any of this stuff, but yes, there's quite a fact. Do middle schools and high school allow kids to have, walk around with rock stars and energy drinks? There's no specific banning. I mean, as far as I know... Is there no real concern around that? I mean, you're talking about a 200 milligram. Especially in junior high. I know I saw the news on Prime. I know Prime's getting highlighted right now and like going through some shit with like a lawsuit, but I mean, they're no different than... They need to put on drinks limitations because caffeine is deadly. Again, to be fair about the peak performance, not that much caffeine. You can if you do like three scoops, it's gonna, you got some caffeine. No, he just did one. Yeah, yeah, but I specifically told him to dose it so that you could go low caffeine or high caffeine. Exactly. But I mean, like it's not that, I didn't even get introduced to coffee till I was 15 or 16. Well, coffee is disgusting. Let's be honest, black coffee is a kid. Who the hell drinks black coffee when you're a kid? It wasn't black coffee. I sugared up like crazy. Yeah, and cream. Yeah, so I didn't have... But I mean, I got, and it was when I started working the dairy four in the morning before school. So it was like, that was the only reason. Necessary. Yeah, let's do it. I used to drink coffee till I started working in a restaurant and I was just, I would just get in there and I remember one night before I'd stayed way too late and then one of the cooks was like, oh, you got to get some coffee. I'm like, I don't know. Tried it and then I didn't like it really, but it worked and I was like, wow, this worked. So that association went nuts after that. I wonder how many parents are actually really paying attention to this. They need to. I think so too. I mean, it's a drug. Caffeine is a very, very powerful. It's a very addictive drug. I see how hard it is and it gets a hold of me as a grown-ass adult that's aware of it. I can't imagine. You know boys, they're competitive and... And it feels good. So yeah, you got to calm them down. My first experience with caffeine, this is like, I was a sneaky-ass kid. We had a big family party and we always give espresso. It's like part of the like, you have your dinner and you have your espresso and everybody had espresso and everybody left just a little bit of espresso on the bottom. And it's always where the sugar is. There's like a little sugar left. So I was like, my cousins and I used to get together. There's nine boys and we used to always play tag or hide-and-seek. It was like our favorite game. But when we get crazy, like we're 10-year-olds. So we'd hide in our cars in the sewer. We'd jump out of tree. It was crazy. It was fun though, real fun. But I went around the table and I picked up all these little espresso glasses that had a little bit of espresso and I drank a bunch of them because it had the sugar. And I remember like, I beat everybody that day in tag, dude. I was just on fire jumping over cars. It's too crazy shit. And I remember thinking it was a sugar. And I didn't until later realize like, oh, I had caffeine. That's what gave me all that. You know, I'm surprised that we haven't read anything that shows some sort of correlation with the rise of ADHD in kids in the last decade and decade and a half. Technically, caffeine would help ADHD. Yeah, that's like riddling. Not contribute to it. Yeah. Yeah, it would help it. Really? Yeah, because real ADHD, there's a lot of stuff into it. Okay, but part of how you treat it would be to increase dopamine. Caffeine does that. So people with ADHD. Okay, but I feel like kids are getting diagnosed. You hear this many times where I've heard multiple parents say that, you know, a teacher has told them, oh, your kid can't sit still in class, this and that. I think, I mean, could that not be because the kids drinking fucking Red Bulls or drinking these energy drinks and he's having to sit in a classroom for hours all day? I mean, I can only imagine if you gave me a rock star. Yeah, maybe a kid with no ADHD. Just a normal kid. So what I'm saying is that how do we know it's not contributing? Exactly contributing to the misdiagnose of these kids. And then they also go and slap Adderall on top of it. In my opinion, here's what's more likely is that kids are not getting good sleep because they're on their devices and or if they have caffeine, they'll get good sleep. They'll stay up and playing video games with each other until the cows come home and drink these drinks to keep it going. So yeah, that's the problem. Dude, one more thing I wanted to ask you, Justin. Did you see the article on what they're doing with the Loch Ness monster? Oh, I saw it. Somebody else tagged in myself. Yeah, somebody just tagged me that they're doing a full on search. The biggest search ever for the Loch Ness monster. Why? Like, is this because all the alien stuff coming out, they're like, well, maybe everything's real? Yeah. Well, no, I think it's because there's a certain, too, there's like an European type eel and a certain fish that they think may be in the Loch. They've said that, yeah. That would, but I, when I was a kid, this is the hierarchy of like conspiracy theory stuff that I was into. Okay. Oh, you're in the Loch Ness monster? It started at aliens was at the top. I was bigfoot. Bigfoot was close second. Bigfoot for me, aliens. Well, you were in the woods. Yeah, that's because you were in the woods. So bigfoot and aliens were close, but it was aliens, bigfoot, Loch Ness monster. And then it was like Mothman and all that weird shit, but it was just another one. What about Moquilibobembe? Moquilibobembe. Yeah, that's the dinosaur they found. Chupacabra was there, too, for a second, but it was, Loch Ness monster was third and I loved reading about the Loch Ness monster. Nessy. So I went there without telling me you're in there. I went there. Yeah. Well, I had a shirt, too. Well, Adam, if a plesiosaurus still existed today, thank you, so I'll drop the knowledge. Come on, dude. Because that's what it might be. You got trapped there. It's a very deep lake. That's right. It's one of the deepest in the world. What is he eating, though? We got to talk about that. Okay, it's got to be something. Yeah, so before that, they really thought they had found it, too, but it turns out it was a man-made submarine thing. Yeah, they were using it for horses. To breathe that they eventually used a hose. They found the bottom. But I mean, they try to keep that legend that lore alive there and it's funny because it's all tongue and cheek. It's in Scotland, right? Yeah, it's in Scotland, yeah. And I've been there actually twice now. And it's nice. Doug, look up plesiosaurus. I want Adam to see. This is the beautiful place. This is the theory. This is the big theory, is that the animal that they see, the creature that has been popping up in the lock for, I don't know, how many years, over 100 years, or more, longer, is a still alive. Is the lock the name of the body of the water? Yes, okay. Okay, so there's also an isolin, too, that I found out when I was there. There's another lake there that they had seen. And too, somewhere in the Midwest as well, there's another famous, Is there? Yes, there's another famous sea-monstery kind of. So that's a plesiosaurus. And that's a weird picture. They're much bigger than that. That's a stupid picture. But they're big, long neck, and carnivorous. So that'd be cool. My favorite theory was that when you see a whale flipped upside down. It looks just like the head of a lark. But it's really just this penis. So maybe there's a whale penis in the lock. Which would be also crazy, a whale. Why? Why are you in the lock? Why is that there? That's crazy. Explain that. Yeah. So we got a shout out for today? Yeah, I want to shout out my friends. He just started a new music project, and he's like a good friend of mine. And it's really awesome. It's like all the office, so the show, the office, he took like the theme songs of all these. Oh, that was your friend? You added metal. I saw you shoot it. One of my good friends from college, best friends, and he literally would never put anything out. He's like one of those guys that makes amazing things. He's super talented, but will never share it with anybody. And so he just put it out there on Spotify. So they're called the Scranton Stranglers. So it's hilariously awesome, and he's super talented, and go follow him. Now, what's the... Okay, we were just talking about copyright trademark stuff today. Like what's the legal... Like he's kind of scurrying that out. Yeah, we'll see what happens. We'll find out when we get him popular. I don't know if he's not making money off of it, so I think that's where he's okay, but I don't know how that's going to play out. Maybe he'll do a vanilla ice then. Remember when it was ice, ice, baby? You shout about how he gets arrested. He has one extra beat. It's different. It's different. You guys got to see that clip. That flew. You know, that passed for sure. I know. Check this out. You're not what you eat. Technically, you are what you digest. Now, here's a problem. If you're a fitness-minded individual, you can eat a lot of protein. You can bump up the calories. Maybe you're doing a reverse diet, and the problem is sometimes it's hard to digest. Well, digestive enzymes helps to break down food into usable parts, and there is some research to suggest that fitness-minded people probably need more digestive enzymes. Anyway, there's a company called Mass Zymes that makes digestive enzymes for fitness-minded individuals, and if you go through our link, you'll get 10% off. 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So I would say for some, for this person asking, it sounds to me like you may have issues getting your glutes to respond. You may be, you know, quad dominant in that sense. Then I would say hip thrusts, hip thrusts are the best for them. So I would answer that as, if this question was more, what's the best exercise if I have a hard time filling it? But if you're asking for the best drills, I think of priming stuff, right? So what comes to mind for me is, which by the way, is in the same vein is what you're saying, which is, I would say a floor bridge. I think one of the, an isometric hold the top in a floor bridge is one of the best ways to teach a client how to activate and feel their glutes. And so I would do say five of those, right? Five isometric holds at the top. How long do you have them holding four at the top? Five, five seconds. Just squeeze it hard. Yeah, squeeze it real hard for five seconds. We let it come all the way down, back up, hold five seconds, intensify it back down five times. As intense as you can make it. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Real intense. Squeezing it as hard as you can. I mean, if they do a good job of that, sometimes people will actually get sore just from that. Yeah. So if you do a good job as a coaching trainer, you cue that, you get them to feel that, and then they go into a more traditional movement that is, that is primarily for your glutes, but they have a hard time feeling it like, let's say, you know, deadlifts or squats or something like that. So that would be my go-to move. And what it does is it just, all it does, really it's not like activating fibers differently or anything like that. Really what it does is it just allows you to connect and feel what the glutes should feel like when they're activated. So then what it does is it, ever so subtly, encourages a change in your form and technique. So then you can move in the squat in a way that, oh, there's my glutes. I could feel them now. Now the squats are hitting the areas that I want. Well, you gave a great example in the upcoming Brett Contreras interview that we did, which is like, it's just like when you had a client and you couldn't get them to retract their shoulders to squeeze their mid-back and you put your finger on their back. I mean, you putting your finger on their mid-back doesn't activate any fibers. It wasn't that their back wasn't firing or anything like that. You just, you gave them some sort of feedback. Physical feedback. Yeah, feedback. So they understand, they make a better connection of like, oh, that's what it should feel like. That's basically what you're doing with that floor bridge is you're squeezing that glute at the top of the hip extension and you're like, oh, that's because those exercises, dead lifts and squats is a hip extension, right? So that's what that movement is. You're just showing them like, this is how you should feel that at the end of the hips and then just helps that client make a better connection. One more thing to add, if this is a weak body part for you and this is true for anybody who has a body part that's lagging, start your workouts out with focusing on that body part. It makes such a big difference. So much of the adaptation goes to the exercises you start a workout with versus the ones you end with that if this is a body part of focus for you, your leg workouts should start with glute focus. Your, or your full body workouts should start with glute focus and then move on to the rest. Or the pencil test. Next question is from Jonathan Sosh. What tips and advice do you have for the behind the head barbell shoulder press? I love this. Okay. So people, so this exercise went from being super popular to becoming super demonized to now it's somewhere in the middle. Okay. So it's a shoulder press standing or seated and it's behind the neck. Okay. So it requires better mobility, control and stability than a traditional overhead press which already requires a lot of stability and mobility. And this is why it's got, it's gotten demonized because the, if you've never practiced this exercise or you have shoulder mobility issues, it could definitely be a challenge. The majority I would say of people probably are dealing with a bit of shoulder mobility issues and that's needs to be addressed. I think it's a very valuable exercise. I think that there's definitely like a way to get there in terms of qualification. So to be able to retract your shoulders all the way, not being in a position where your head's super protruding forward and your shoulders are a bit protracted. So, but in terms of like working your way there, it's like a lot of different things. Your body's capable of, your body's capable of being stable and strong in a range of motion. It's a valid exercise. Yeah. So I went on a kick after all my body building meat head training to really working on this because I lacked the ability to do it and then I wanted to regain this. And what it looked like for me was the first thing I focused on was the Z-Press. And when I Z-Pressed, I would actually hold and stabilize at the top, right? So I would press up, I would stabilize the top and really getting to where I can pull the shoulder blades back like Justin's alluding to. Started with that. I got better and better at that. Then I moved to the seated behind like a military press with just the bar. And I actually would come all the way down. So I would be sitting down, I'd sit upright, activate my core. I would press and then I'd actually let the bar actually rest on my traps like if I was doing a squat. And I would reset every rep. So I'd come all the way down, let's sit there, and then I would get myself back up with good posture, pull the shoulder blades back up, press it all the way up, and then I would set it back down again. And every time I'm setting it back down, I'm emphasizing, activating my core, pulling the shoulder blades back, and just getting better and better at that pathway of moving it. So I like the resting between reps and kind of resetting between every rep. So it's cool about the behind, first off, the behind the neck press is not a bodybuilding exercise, although bodybuilders popularize it. This is a classic exercise that was been used in Olympic lifting for a long time. Olympic lifters still do this because it helps them with some of their big lifts. And they'll do it in a way to where they're doing it as a power exercise. Yeah. It's like, and it's, it's exceptional. It's explosive. Yeah. It's, it's exceptional. What's different about the behind the neck shoulder press versus in a traditional overhead shoulder press? When you're doing a behind the neck shoulder press, you are really emphasizing, if you do it right, scapular mobility. If you're working the shoulder or the shoulder joint, there's two things to focus on. There's the humerus, which is the upper arm. And then there's a scapula, right? The shoulder blade that has to work in tandem with the upper arm in order to perform movements. This is the shoulder. This is what's, what makes the shoulder such a versatile mobile joint. It's what allows us to throw with accuracy and do all kinds of different crazy things. It's because it's so complex. The behind the neck shoulder press encourages retraction and then upward and downward rotation of the scapula. So if you were to look at someone's back and you look at the shoulder blades, like these flat bones, first off, you have to pull them back and retract them to do the behind the neck shoulder press. Otherwise you'll hit your head. And then as you press, you have to be able to outwardly rotate and down, excuse me, upwardly rotate and downward rotation of the scapula while maintaining somewhat of retraction. This is an important part of scapular mobility. Most of us never practice this or train this. So when you do this, it's really, really hard. So start really light. In fact, I recommend people start with a stick. Thank you. I was going to deliberately talk about that because that's one of the ways that would, I would definitely like take somebody through that process is to be able to create tension first and foremost, which is like, you grip the bar and you're going to actually kind of pull a bit outward as you're pulling down towards your back. And then you're going to maintain and control that tension throughout the entire range of motion. So that way you're, it just communicates to your body that everything is accounted for and it's stable and secure. And so that way, you're able to produce the adequate amount of force in every inch of that range of motion. Yeah. And I would say to somebody, start super light, maybe with no weight, you'll still get a pump. People trying to develop their shoulders, do this exercise right instead of heavy. Do it with perfect form, which will make the exercise challenging. You will get a dealt pump like nothing else. This is why it's one of my favorite shoulder exercises. Massive pump. And the motivation to do this, or at least the motivation for me, was not trying to target or hit the shoulders differently. It was to improve my mobility. That was the kick that I went on after training like a bodybuilder for so many years was, man, I really shortened my range of motion up on a lot of these movements that are important for shoulder health mobility. Right. So this was like, okay, here's a great exercise. I've lost the ability to do. I want to regain that. So when I'm doing it, yeah, I eventually started with just a bar and then worked to tens and then 20 and then 30 and then eventually got to a point where I could do 185 like that. But it was a long process and it wasn't focused on weight. It wasn't about, oh, I want to, can I get more and more weight? It was, can I control that really well all the way through 400 and not deviate? Like you'll notice what will happen is you're going to watch yourself want to naturally like arch the back and so with that. And so the head jetting forward is a big one. That's the feeling you got to pay for. Yeah, you'll feel the head. And this is why too. Again, I like to reset every time. Reminds me kind of how you ever watched Lane train for his deadlift, like his one rep max. He's constantly like resetting it between each rep instead of like continuous rep after rep. I like, because there's so many things I'm thinking about with my core, my head, my shoulders, the scapula. I like resetting and doing all the things Justin was saying is like thinking about where I'm positioned. I'm pulling kind of across the bar and then like then press again. Come down and set it on your trap. That's the way I like to do it. I don't do it any other way. I don't see any value in fact doing it other way. But I set it on my traps, get in position, press up. The pump with lightweight on this is incredible. And the other benefit you're going to find with your overhead press is just how much more vertical your pressing will get and how much more stabilized you will be with it in the overhead position. Totally. Next question is from Just Christina. Which of your programs is suited to perform during pregnancy? All right. Here's a funny thing about pregnancy is you can, the potential is super high for lots of different movements. Now there are some general things you want to potentially look out for. For example, split stance exercises start to become difficult when your belly gets in the way. You know, flexion of the lumbar spine becomes impossible. So certain core exercises. But you could do a lot. And it depends on the individual. Somebody who's really fit train themselves properly who knows how to avoid exercises where your literal anatomy starts to get in the way because of a growing baby. You can do almost anything. Okay. But to answer this question, generally speaking, we do have programs that are like I said, generally probably more suited for people going through pregnancy than others. Starter would be the first place that would go. So I had Katrina do. Yeah. Starter would be the first place that would go. And then second, you know, if you're really fit and you got, you know how to modify your movement if you need to, MAPS enabolic is even fine. Well, the good part about MAPS enabolic is you can do the at home option, which is all dumbbell driven. And so to avoid a lot of those issues where you're going to have a barbell that's like you can't really perform good angles with it as much. You can actually replace that with dumbbells. The real key is what you were doing leading into pregnancy on what I would tell you as a client. You could run MAPS aesthetic. You could run almost any of our programs if you were already running them and you had been doing stuff like that leading up into it. And what I always tell my pregnant clients is our goal right now is to maintain the strength that we don't try and hit PRs or anything. Yeah, I don't. That's the mistake. We don't want to try. Increasing intensity. Yeah, we're not trying to make gains. We're not trying to lose a bunch of weight or body weight at all. We're not trying to make strength gains. Like I want to maintain your strength and mobility. And so if that means we are following whatever MAPS program, I'm going to pretty much keep that going. And I'm not going to really, and then modify just specific movements that like you said, like a lunge gets hard when you got, you know, seven, seven months, you know, into your third trimester, right, to do certain exercise like that. So I might modify that. But for the most part, you'd be surprised what you do. Where I would tell someone for sure go to starter is if you are just now starting your weight training program and you haven't been training, say, for the last year or two years. Or of course, postpartum, I would say. Yeah, also. Yeah, beautiful for that. That's how we kind of introduced it. Once you get cleared, right? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So here's a couple special considerations, although it's not across the board, you know, jumping, running, plyometrics starts to become more challenging on your body. It starts to become more challenging on your core and how your body supports the baby as it's growing. And then single leg exercises, believe it or not, can become an issue for lots of pregnant women because of the torsion it places on the pelvis. And because there are the pubic synthesis, it starts to loosen up as hormones come into the body. I think it's called, I think the hormone, I can't remember the name of the hormone relaxing. It's not like that, but it loosens the joints up, makes everything looser, but it can also cause this kind of pubic pain that women will get. And single leg exercises causes twisting and torsion on that, which can make it worse. So bilateral exercises tend to become more appropriate as you move into the later stages of pregnancy. Next question is from Melanie Jebens. How do you train yourself on the skill of running again? Well, is that a personal question or is that general? Because personally I don't. Something I should do, for sure. Like any skill, you have to start very slow and you have to remember that fatigue is your enemy. Like if you get tired, the skill is out the window and then it's just your body is going to move the way it wants. So how would you approach running if you haven't run in a long time and you want to develop the skill of it? Well, first the best way to do would be to hire a running coach would be ideal. I actually recommended a few clients to this who really wanted to run and I talked to them about the skill of running and look, you haven't run since you were a kid or you got to really figure that out. And I had them hire a running coach who trained them on a track and it was night and day. Night and day because the running coach like I am with exercises, the running coach is with running. So they would watch their form and their technique. They would make sure that they worked on how the. Have you ever been coached by a running coach, Adam? No, I haven't. But I'm familiar with it and I've seen it and I have also we've also got places over here in the bay where you could go into like, I think the place was called Running Revolution where they would actually they'll video you while you run on a treadmill and then they'll break it break it down. And we'll show you like, oh, look at you have, you know, internal rotation on this side and your heel striking like this. And so if I was going to get into running because running is a sport. Okay. Just like CrossFit. It's like if I was going to get into the sport of running, I would take it that seriously. Where I'd want to get assessed and have somebody break down my mechanics and tell me, hey, you have too much of a forward lean. You need to be more upright. You need to you need to work on your right foot. You have to learn how to run. You have to learn how to run. You have to learn how to gate. Yeah. Yeah. You're you're strive. Yeah. You're you're get off like all these things. Like I actually worked with reason to ask because I went through like a year where I was trying to get faster like by all means necessary to make the football team. And I worked with like a track just the San Jose city college right there. I worked with the track team and like we had to go through like so many mechanical drills and things. Did it help? It was very specific. Yeah. And I gained well, I gained I lost time on my 40. So I got down to like a 475 like from like a four nine. Well, that's a big jump. Can you already an athlete? Yeah. And we did a lot of training with resistance with with the pool and like we worked a lot. It was a lot of a lot of it for me was stride. And so like to learn how to really like promote that length and to be able to gather enough enough like ground and to really like make a dent in that direction like took a lot of effort. So it's it's a definite my only point this is a definite skill to your point and it being like a sport like that's how you got to treat it. If you don't run and you haven't won regularly and you're not good at it because you haven't done it and you decide to do running as a workout. I'm going to tell you right now you're going to hurt yourself. It's almost guaranteed you're going to start to compile injuries because it's high impact. It's repetitive. You're probably going to do it to fatigue because you're doing it for a workout and you haven't practiced it. You don't have good technique. So you're going to hurt yourself. So if you want to run to work out and you want to get to the point where you can enjoy if you ever watch a really good runner it's like you're jealous like wow person looks like they're just enjoying it and they feel so good and so whatever. It's not just the stamina piece. I'm going to tell you guys right now gaining the stamina is the easy part. That's going to be easy. There's other ways you can gain stamina. That'll happen in a week or two. Yeah. You can gain stamina doing lots of other things. If you want to run for your workouts you need to make you need to treat it like a skill which means you're not going to go out and run to work out. It's a sport. You're practicing it. It's so funny. It's like what you and the the more aggressive you get about running meaning like you do it for miles and miles or an hour plus you really or you start doing it almost every single day is no different than you deciding all of sudden you're going to play basketball or football or tennis or anything like that. And if you have never been taught how to do any of those sports correctly the thought that you're going to do it well and you're not potentially going to injure yourself it's silly and nobody would think that. Nobody would think if you have no experience playing basketball do you think going and running pickup games like every single day is probably a good strategy to think that you won't get hurt you're probably going to get hurt. Yeah. So the running is no different. It's just because it's become so popular. Well it's just we value the fatigue the sweat and the soreness and we don't consider it a skill. We just think because we think oh I can run well okay yeah technically you could you could do what you what looks like running but your technique is so bad that if you do it as a workout you're going to hurt your knees are going to hurt or your hip or your ankle or back. Bro before the 70s it wasn't a thing. Yeah. No you see people running outside it wasn't a thing. No there was a book that was run. I can't remember any of it. Running it was a it was born to run. Yeah born to run is that what it was? No it was one of the best. No that wasn't the one of the 70s. That was not the revolution. That was not the revolution. Yeah it was running. Something like that anyway. Born to run running revolution I don't remember. It's got like a red tinnage. It was in the 70s. Yeah it started the whole running revolution. And before that we didn't even do it. So it hasn't even been that long. We literally have like don't even have a full generation of people that realize that. It was jogging. Oh it was just called the complete book of running. That right there changed everything. By the way there's two things. 1977. There's so it was like the 80s even. There's two things so I love the like fitness history right. There's two two moments in culture that made running become this like way people worked out that they they just chose this is what I'm gonna do to work out. It was that book and then it was also the movie Rocky. The movie Rocky. Yes like him running and those scenes are so in that alt. Street. Yes. Well it's all around the same time right. Correct. Early 80s. No late 70s. Or yeah. And that started a revolution in running. Before that you didn't. Why didn't Forrest Gump do that. I know you know. By that point everybody did it. They're over it. I know. Look if you like Mind Pump head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out all of our free fitness guides. We've made a lot of guides that can help you with your fitness goals and we made it so they're free. 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